I like how at 3:15 he says "if you have questions, ask them in the comment section below" but then not a single reply to any of the questions.

Cmon y’all this is the first KZfaq video I’ve seen in a long time that got straight to the point without an entire life story and history of the channel. Good job dude!

Can y'all turn the music off. No need to be headbanging while learning this stuff

Shorties do have easier bends than cast manifolds and they alsonhave larger primaries typically than LT. for drivability shorties typically offer more benefit than LT especially in a truck where low end is more desired than top end. You will see an improvement below peak torque with shorties verses simply a higher number at peak torque with LT. it really comes down to how high your engine revs past peak torque and how often you drive past peak torque.

I put shorty headers on my 90 k1500 and did get a "seat of the pants" performance increase over the stock manifolds. It is a tow vehicle so I need the low end torque and bottom end. So for the cost of replacement I am very happy. Not to mention the installation was a breeze.

I've got tuned shorties on my 2015 SS 1/LE, love the low end. I've often wondered if I should have done the long tubes - now I think I made the right move. GREAT explanation. It's still on the stock exhaust from the mid back, but I do like the sound, don't think I'll ever go full aftermarket. Chevy did start adding the X-pipe on the 2016s and newer, so I am getting ready to do that. Looking forward to the possible scavenge gains and the sound!

You can help the shorty tubes scavenge better by putting a fueling pinch in the header tubes with in about 6 to 8 in of the cylinder head. I've seen it done with a lot of success especially on things like Harley engines.

I put zoomies on my 2.3L ranger. They stick out of the fender on the passenger side and are about 20 inches long. Don't know if it did anything for power, but it sounds badass!!

On my Mustangs I noticed way more torque. More power at the top end from the long tube headers. I've had multiple cars with each and if I ever build another car it will definitely be long tube.

Long tube makes more power! Shorty's are good for fitment problems.

I’ll go for shortys. My long tubes keep heating my starter. And cooking my wires

I've had a set of long tubes on my '68 C10 327 since 2006 when I had rebuilt my motor. Fortunately I had plenty of room to install them. Never had an issue overheating the starter. At the 2:20 mark I've scraped my header flanges at times, and my truck is at stock height. I'll have to replace my headers with the short tubes or a set of ram horns when I perform the 4/6 drop.

Looks like I wasted money on shorty headers. Oh well. The deeper tone to my exhaust and the better response in the low end is quite nice though

I have longtube hookers headers on my 1977 torch red vette.On older cars headers are sick.I would not put them on a modern car,My car is 44 years old,I also put on a high performance exhaust manifold,and flowmaster 40 mufflers.It sound awesome.added about 22 more horsepower,but i did it for the sound,the sound rocks the house for sure.thanks russ.

Vacuum scavenging.. very interesting. Thanks for the info! Will probably be a long while before I look into getting any of these.

He should have mentioned, the more an engine is built the more important it becomes to use high quality long tube headers, I've been building 600 horse 2nd gen LT1road racing engines, the build is not complete until a good set of long tube headers go on.

That intro, I heard that v8 sound from rev heads phone app.

All this is great news for older less complicated engines and car systems, but for those new cars which have fuel injection systems and have a lot of electrical systems under the hood, you need to consider what benefits you will get and what the cost of those benefits will be after changing the factory headers to 4 into 1's or Try y headers, in fact the best ones to use is based on how you drive the new car, so basically if you want more HP down low range ie: 1,500 to around the 4 K mark then use try y headers or shortys, but if your going to track days a lot or street drags, then 4 into 14 would be best, but dont forget, then most tunner places will say you need 4 into 1 headers, but what they dont tell you is they will tune your engine to the headers and thus you engine will make approx 50 HP at the rear wheels for a new Chevy SS for example, but also they dont tell you you need the rest of the system as well, meaning the CATS and CAT back system installed as well, but in reality you will get just as much HP just by a tune of the same engine, they will not tell you this because the business is about selling the headers and also they do not tell you that the headers need ceramic coating due to the extreme heat under the hood and how close your electrical system,s are to the headers especially the chevy Ss which has electrical steering system. So please make sure if your going to get Headers for your car to kook if the model comes out with factory performance headers for the same make and model of your car, like for example the holden SS o chevy SS has HSB or holden special Veichacl which then you can by the HSV headers which come out with TRY Y headers on some models and will give your just as much performance but cost you only 1/4 of the price and specially if get the same try y headers from HSV and have them ceramic coated :)

My opinion shorties are good for trucks that 2500 rpm is where mine usually stays on highway unlock a car or stick shift can get higher rpm would go long tube just my take on it

*PTSD FLASHBACK* after seeing the Driver's side shorty header on the right and remembering my SBC S10 square body days with the steering shaft that had to go in between the header tubes and learning the hard way that I should have also installed solid motor mounts rather than old rubber x-member side mounts (huge pee shiver...rr...rrr...)

Thanks for explaining it in simple english

Straight to the point I like him

Summary. Long tubes arent always bolt on but make more mid range to high end power. Shorties are better for fitment and some low end torque

The way it was explained to me not too long ago is that before computer modeling and flow profiling this was a general rule and if one stuck to it would generally do well. But it seems that with the advancement of technology the ability to design and build better flowing headers have made short style headers less of a handicap these days so much so that unless you are running an all out dragster a short style header should be all most people can truly benefit from. Am I misinformed?

Thanks Carl for clearing that up.

I just bought some hedman shorties for my 05 Yukon. Hopefully i will be satisfied when I install them Saturday

Whats the point and benefits of shortys then if they are almost the same as stock... so only long tubes are making sense or what?

Great video! Straight to the point. Thank you!!

Purchase a set of Tri-Y headers. The Tri-Y is certainly more expensive but if you intend to keep your vehicle for longer than 3 years. Spend the extra money , you will not regret the expense. Go to either Doug Thorley or Stans Headers. I have both on my 95 and 98 4wheel drive chevy trucks. Five plus years spring summer winter and fall. No issues what so ever. That is the difference between a $1000 header and a $250 header.

Low end power, short for me it is.

The school of thought I have been told is Long Tubes for air flow. Long Tubes help your car breath and flow air through your system. The more air through, the more power you make, that is why you lose some torque on the low end, you don't get the back pressure that you get with shorties, that is why Long Tubes are boss for upper RPM range. If you are getting top end work done; Cam, super/procharger, bigger pistons, etc, then Long Tubes are the way to go. If you are planning those mods in the future, then long tubes are the way to go.

Long tubes = More expensive but better Performance Shorties = Lower cost but only good for appearance & stock replacement

There is no rule to which is better. It depends on what you want to achieve. Headers can be tuned to the engine so changing primary diameters , length and merge type can affect the torque and hp significantly. There is a point where at higher Rpms a mid length header will outperform a longtube header for peak power as then velocity can remain higher with the scavenging effect instead of slowing down in their individual tubes before merging. All depends on the primary diameter, length, size and displacement and rpm of the engine .. so many variables to consider.

Given that the shorty headers provide less pulse vacuum internally, would it be a good idea to increase the diameter of the exhaust system from 2.5 to 3.0 inches to provide better top end?

great video short and to the point !! Thank you !

First and most important do research and pay attention to recommendations . Long tube header will not cause torque loss unless you do not pay attention to size recommendations . Lets say you have a choice of a 1 3/4 primary or a 1 7/8 primary and the 1 3/4 is recommended for stock engines. If you use the 1 7/8 you will have a torque loss and since your engine being stock will not take advantage of hi speed use from big headers. Next brand of header makes BIG difference . After damaging my hooker comp headers I replaced them with a lesser brand of the same size . Big mistake I lost 1000 rpm on top end and engine started missing which required retuning to stop the missing but I did not get the 1000 rpm back. I always make my own mufflers but the new stuff has gotten much better. If you run full exhaust to rear of car you will always lose hi rpm power. On race track you should have a tube added to back of header same size as collector but it should be tuned . To tune tube on collector start with a length of 20"" and take a tire crayon and draw a straight line down it's full length . Make a couple of passes then cut tube wear burn mark stops. Then rejet carb if injected it should retune itself . Always follow manufacturers recommendations most of the time they know there stuff better than you . Ok guy's now go smokem .

I'm glad I bought long tube headers

In some cases , Shorty headers can only be used , The object is to get rid of the exhaust as quickly as possible , every engine is simply a Air Pump , air comes in , gets compressed , then is sent out , the faster it does this , the more power it produces , Restrict either one and power lost

Velocity is key for performance in I6 engines. Which do you recommend for a Jeep 4.0 stroker for velocity?

Do you have a video about high flow catalytic convertors?

This video is riddled with garbage information. 0:43 show me a dyno of where a shorty outperforms a long tube (or even oem manifold) at low end. Also long tube fitment is a non-issue on a quality header. But summit sells junk like pacesetters, so it may be true from their perspective.

As a 9 year owner of a car with LTs I can also say long tubes tend to cause significant emission system issues in many cars due to the exhaust system modifications required to use them. Oxygen sensors like to act up after installing long tubes due to the fact they're gonna be mounted further away from the engine in most cases then they originally were. I got premium Hooker Headers Competition Series stainless system that gives me nothing but o2 issues and it replaced a rusty set of leaky Pacesetter LTs.

Stop stating that shorty headers provide more torque...that simply is NOT true. A shorty header will never out perform a long-tube header with the same sized primary tubes at low rpm. The exhaust scavenging mentioned is more important at low to mid range, and the extra velocity from the longer tubes creates better scavenging in the low to mid rpm range. The only advantage of the shorty is fitment and/or emissions compliance...not performance. Shorty headers can provide an improvement in flow over a stock manifolds higher in the rpm range, but they will never match a long-tube in the low to mid range.

long tube headers cook your legs. and modern engines usually need a custom tune after install usually preempted by a che k engine light

For my 4.6 2v ford which one to I wanna order from your website? I'm doing a light NA build and wanna do a full dual exhaust

thanks for the videos it seems like the only downside for long tube headers is getting them to fit

So if I'm looking for more torque for a truck application (no Baja or racing, mainly for getting over stuff (overlanding)) would shorty headers meet the mark? Eventually considering force induction, but haven't crossed that road yet

Thanks Carl -- very informative.

What size diameter of headers will be best for my application? 85 Square Body w/355 & 400TH. The motor will make approximately 385 HP. I have Vortec Heads and would like to be able to have access to change my plugs easily. Will long tubes be difficult to change the plugs?

I'm looking for a shorty header for my 1987 Chevy 1/2 ton 4 wheel drive with TBI. I have a cracked head so I've decided to go with new DART 127221 72cc chamber heads upping compression just a bit. Basically wanting a 350hp/and lots of torque, very streetable with pump gas. In fact this will be a farm truck/trailer hauler near term and project truck long term. Also getting rid of the TBI and all of the emissions and crappy exhaust manifolds. The body of this truck is in near perfect condition short of needing new paint.(and everyone who sees it tries to buy it) Hence the reason spending some money on the engine.

Something nobody looks at is long tubes can cause EFI management problems because of moving the O2 sensor further away from engine. The problems can be overcome with a competent person tuning the car but you should be aware of this.

Awesome explanation!

Guess we aren’t going to talk about a lot of G bodies. Long tube if you’re customizing or getting another bracket. Short tube to keep them street ready and less headaches rerouting exhaust.

Have shorty on my G body running mid 10s with a small block all motor. Long tube means longer profits for summit, of course they don’t want you to buy the cheapest ones.

I have a truck I need the low to mid range more so shortys is what I want. It's also lifted 6 inches with 35 inch tires. Its not a race car!

What is the difference between running long tube headers and running short tube headers with test pipes it's pretty much the same thing as long tube headers right

Would it make sense to get a cam optimized for high RPM if I get a shorty header and if i got a long tube headers i would want a cam optimized for low rpm power?

So as a stand alone upgrade, the shorty header won't do much over the factory exaust manifold? I have a 2014 Camaro SS

1st Gen Tundra, no lift, mostly used for truck bed camping, and to replace factory broken manifold or short factory header? Should I go long or short? 4.7 2000 model

What if you are planning on straight piping your exhaust. Which headers would be better?

So the Shorty headers and the Stock Ones Would perform the same basically Or ? Can You tell me your Opinion O ther is not need to Do the Improvement

Having trouble finding a good fit for headers for a 351 fe in a 1963 galaxie. Thoughts?

I have a 2005 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 crew cab LS v8 5.3 LM7 325 cubic inch engine and I want to get headers for it, but I don't know if I want long or shortly tube headers as well as my biggest problem is that I don't know exactly what size headers I need so I don't order the wrong size headers for them to not fit my truck.

The A body mopars imported to my country are all RHD so to try avoiding the steering box I have long headers on the passenger side and short headers on the drivers side, will this damage my motor ? It's a stock 318La small block . ?

If I have a carburator would I need to tune it to run long tube headers

So I have a 95 Chevy 5.7 v8 tbi. I feel like shorty headers would be better for a daily driver. I don’t drive it everyday but I drive or weekly. Would it be more efficient to use shortys?

Have a 67 base model Cougar with single exhaust. Don't know much about it. I dont race the the car but looking for little more power and better sound. It's a 289 4 b. What would you suggest?

So power wise , shortys aren’t much different than stock manifolds ?

I am only considering shorty headers because dorman cast iron manifolds are onlyblasting about 2 yrs and cracking. I dont want a louder exhaust. Will my exhsust be louder if I bolt these to my stock exhaust?

Love this video.

They say that you can’t usually bolt long tubes on but personally I’d just run open headers

Which is better for a 2015 Chevrolet Camaro zl1 long tube headers or shorty headers

Hello, I have a Chevy truck with a 350 engine and I want to put some headers on it, which one do you recommend and which brand? I have it for daily use

Hi, thanks for this informative video. I want to ask, do stainless steel headers and exhaust pipes give better performance increase over those non-stainless pipes or are those just for looks/aesthetics? Thank you!

Geeez people you need to get your information from knowledgeable people shorties will not give you more torque over long tube low end or top end. There just a replacement for manifolds that may be slightly better. There are videos with dyno results that prove this I suppose next you'll tell me I need back pressure in my exhaust system too.

Are there any brands u recommend , or recommend to stay away from ?

2012 RAM 1500 express 5.7 HEMI, so which is better for low end grunt if you pulling trailers?

I have a 2015 Dodge Charger RT with Flowmaster Outlaw Catback which would be the best headers?

Will the shorty headers still increase hp?

LC engineering built my long tube headers for my Tacoma No mods to exhaust bolt on easy.

Ive got a 99 suburban with a 350. Its 2wd. Would like to use shortys. Then using 2.5 from the headers into an x pipe. With 2.5 tailpipes.

I have a Silverado w a 3” drop in the front and 6” in the back would this be a problem since I’m lower

Most women prefer long tubes!!

1991 k2500 5.7L automatic 4/4 Long tube What’s the best? Has new 2.5 true dual Flowmater 50 delta mufflers Is there sa stainless option?

I can only run shorty headers. Are they worth the cost over factory manifolds?

Have you made a video on the benefits of shorty headers vs stock manifolds? You said those perform more like stock, but are they worth buying aside from looks alone?

Just bought a set of longtubes for my 2017 mustang GT. Also bought a Sr performance resonator delete and a SLP loudmouth axle back

I have a 1987 Chevy caprice ls with a 400 sbc would the long tube headers fit my car

For 1/4 mille race which header is better??

In the event my front driveshaft is a clearance issue how can I resolve that

Why does it say the complete opposite on your website 🤔

I am sorry but every other source explains long tube headers are better low to mid RPM and short headers are better at high RPM. Its all about getting the exhaust out quickly at higher RPM so the shorter the distance the better. I believe the long tube makes power low. Motor Trend agrees with me but Holley agrees with Summit. I guess it really comes down to the diameter of the pipe and if its forced induction. Anyone else got any input on the science behind this?

Whats better for a v6 charger gt

I have 57 Ranchero w/390FE. The stock header just barely clear the steering gear box. I want long tube do I have to go custom or is there a long tube that will clear my steering box

I have a 93 fleetwood all stock . I want to change or oem every thing under the hood and under the car , any suggestions?

LS1 swap 5.3l L59, PCM flashed for LS swap into 69 camaro: problem- backfiring in exhaust tube. Yes I have longtube headers. Passenger side running 50 - 100 hotter then driverside. Any ideas?

I got a 18 Chevy impala and i put a 87 vortec 350 in it what kind of headers do u think i should go with i like the long tubs

Hi there, I need to place an o2 sensor for my efi. If I use short headers will I neet to position the sensor fuher down the merge of the tubes compared to stock or long headers? Thanks

Im Planning to buy/ im wanting to install long tube catted headers from Stainless works for my 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis (they are prefitted to my vehicle as it stats) but im being estimate between 900$-1,500$ in labor from several shops to install them... which i think that ridiculous. im Getting them a buddy of mine Name marty Ochs from Mosspeedshop in Georgia...(His price is 300$-400$ to install then) but i live in Tucson,Az but ive been told you can't

Hey! Great video’ i have a Gm crate engine 350. 1year old. Driven 2000 km since first startup. It has a 262 comp cam. Edelbrock eps intake #2701 and The edelbrock 500carb #1403. I am thinking about goin for The headers from Summit G9006? How much horsepower will it Get close to? You have any other suggestions AS far as increasing The overall performance?