I like how at 3:15 he says "if you have questions, ask them in the comment section below" but then not a single reply to any of the questions.
@shannonquickly7174 жыл бұрын
If it's about the #exhaustpipe, I might be able to help you
@Akhazmat9074 жыл бұрын
Even if they did answer your question it would be wrong.I have emails of them arguing with me, trying to tell me my 92 f150 has rear disk breaks. They are drums, I even sent a picture of the drums to the idiot and he said that's not a 92 f150. They are about as useful as a bag of dicks
@nickwebb99374 жыл бұрын
Chris Lesemann cause they have a bunch of 20 year old guys with no common sense working with them
@demogorilla4 жыл бұрын
@@Akhazmat907 as useless as your spelling teacher. Hahaha
@Akhazmat9074 жыл бұрын
@@demogorilla ha ha. I remember that night. I was drunk and still pissed off from the night before, when that happened. Actually I'm pretty sure my English teacher would smack me in the back of the head.
@mickmiller82172 жыл бұрын
Cmon y’all this is the first KZfaq video I’ve seen in a long time that got straight to the point without an entire life story and history of the channel. Good job dude!
@DarthChiropractus5 жыл бұрын
Can y'all turn the music off. No need to be headbanging while learning this stuff
@Moparmaga-15 жыл бұрын
What I can't hear you, I'm headbanging
@artlife62105 жыл бұрын
Ask and destroy lol
@user-nb5pl1kj8t5 жыл бұрын
Would you like it to be the same rap bullshit on every fucking car vid?
@Brandon-mf5uh5 жыл бұрын
@@user-nb5pl1kj8t Wow you got butthurt over a funny comment lmao
@user-nb5pl1kj8t5 жыл бұрын
@@Brandon-mf5uh nobody gives a shit about your challenger, another typical " hey check out the cold start on my 392, dont it sound bitchen?" Just fuckin with all these boards playing shit music and cold starts. Reminds me when we were kids saying " check out those tits" Wish it would go back to that. What do you think about that butthurt Brandon 392??
@yota2436 жыл бұрын
Shorties do have easier bends than cast manifolds and they alsonhave larger primaries typically than LT. for drivability shorties typically offer more benefit than LT especially in a truck where low end is more desired than top end. You will see an improvement below peak torque with shorties verses simply a higher number at peak torque with LT. it really comes down to how high your engine revs past peak torque and how often you drive past peak torque.
@ShyaMiss4 жыл бұрын
Completely false that shorties are better down low vs long tubes. Quality long tube headers that are appropriately sized for the engine, will outperform shorties at ALL rpm ranges.
@nickwebb99374 жыл бұрын
wlabishler 1 yea but shortys will still help in the low end
@ShyaMiss4 жыл бұрын
@@nickwebb9937 to some extent. But it REALLY varies based on the engine we are talking about. Pretty much any late model v-8, comes stock with cast manifolds that are damn near shorties anyway. The GM LS based truck engines are a great example of this. Shorties will gain almost nothing, if they do actually gain anything. Longtubes can be a pretty obvious change, assuming they are appropriately sized. I personally would not go through the effort of swapping out the manifolds, unless you have one that is cracked for instance. In that case, you have to pull stuff apart anyway, no harm in replacing the cast parts with some short tubes. I have done this very thing for that reason. More recently, I put some longtubes on a Vortec Max 6.0, the difference was pretty big. The most noticeable part was actually under the curve, not at peak.
@nickwebb99374 жыл бұрын
wlabishler 1 yea I put shortys on my 91 c1500 it helped a bit but the manifolds on it were very restricted
@chrissagredo71294 жыл бұрын
wlabishler 1 it all comes down to application. On my 86 Bronco here in California shorty’s are my best bet. I can’t stroke my motor or do much to it at all aside from heads and a mild cam (my efi is antique and I have smog to deal with). Sure they more closely resemble manifolds, especially in newer cars, but 80’s motors were literally strangled to death. Shorties will be a huge upgrade over my stock manifolds and it lets me still run my cats and everything from a stock location, and I get better torque over stock.
@greggarner44776 жыл бұрын
I put shorty headers on my 90 k1500 and did get a "seat of the pants" performance increase over the stock manifolds. It is a tow vehicle so I need the low end torque and bottom end. So for the cost of replacement I am very happy. Not to mention the installation was a breeze.
@29nickmiller4 жыл бұрын
I've got tuned shorties on my 2015 SS 1/LE, love the low end. I've often wondered if I should have done the long tubes - now I think I made the right move. GREAT explanation. It's still on the stock exhaust from the mid back, but I do like the sound, don't think I'll ever go full aftermarket. Chevy did start adding the X-pipe on the 2016s and newer, so I am getting ready to do that. Looking forward to the possible scavenge gains and the sound!
@SummitRacing4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching, Nick!
@flbizowner9384 Жыл бұрын
I’m with you man. I have shorties on a Saleen S281 and the Low end torque will glue you to your seat. I did lose on highways gains but there’s something special about hitting 70 mph in second gear in 5 seconds!
@44hawk284 жыл бұрын
You can help the shorty tubes scavenge better by putting a fueling pinch in the header tubes with in about 6 to 8 in of the cylinder head. I've seen it done with a lot of success especially on things like Harley engines.
@standhd Жыл бұрын
What is a fueling pinch?
@icecubes_for_the_boiling_frogs6 жыл бұрын
I put zoomies on my 2.3L ranger. They stick out of the fender on the passenger side and are about 20 inches long. Don't know if it did anything for power, but it sounds badass!!
@jasonhakala64896 жыл бұрын
On my Mustangs I noticed way more torque. More power at the top end from the long tube headers. I've had multiple cars with each and if I ever build another car it will definitely be long tube.
@NickFortier4 жыл бұрын
Even more power buy swapping in a bow tie ;)
@ronaldlewis40323 жыл бұрын
You know your serious when you run long tube headers!!
@musclebone78756 жыл бұрын
Long tube makes more power! Shorty's are good for fitment problems.
@thomashayes74235 жыл бұрын
Brian Samuels long tube give low end power cause they flow better. That already gives more power and I never had to remove my starter to put headers on my 83 k5 blazer
@V8AmericanMuscleCar5 жыл бұрын
thomas hayes did you notice more low end power with long tubes? They said that short tubes are for low end power but I want long tubes because I want more power at high rpms and I don’t want to loose low end power. :-)
@SOU69004 жыл бұрын
So what's good for torque then in a 85 C30 with a big block? Needs to be set up for smog system btw.
@jrod264winmag4 жыл бұрын
@@SOU6900 just get 1-3/4" long tubes for the 454. You can get them with a 02 bung for the sensor. This is the header you want trust me.
@SOU69004 жыл бұрын
@@jrod264winmag but she doesn't use an o2 sensor...
@Rockinruffhouser4 жыл бұрын
I’ll go for shortys. My long tubes keep heating my starter. And cooking my wires
@Aqua350Lt14 жыл бұрын
sal alvarez I just got shortys
@booniekc4 жыл бұрын
What kind of car u got? Will it do that to my 97 camaro?
@kenshinhimura93873 жыл бұрын
@erik torres Don't drive in the rain or in water. Problem solved.
@sategllib21913 жыл бұрын
@@kenshinhimura9387 If it's even sitting out overnight moisture will build up.
@mrelectron62203 жыл бұрын
@@booniekc heres the deal if your headers run close to the starter they make self stick heat rejection mat. While your starters out install it around the starter motor. You can also get fiberglass like material made into a tube you can slip over wires that run near the headers. You can make a heat sheild out of some old coffee cans or soup cans. The thing is to look at how close stuffs going to be and fix it before you melt stuff or heat soak your starter.
@robertemmons22603 жыл бұрын
I've had a set of long tubes on my '68 C10 327 since 2006 when I had rebuilt my motor. Fortunately I had plenty of room to install them. Never had an issue overheating the starter. At the 2:20 mark I've scraped my header flanges at times, and my truck is at stock height. I'll have to replace my headers with the short tubes or a set of ram horns when I perform the 4/6 drop.
@SummitRacing3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching, Robert!
@5point0h676 жыл бұрын
Looks like I wasted money on shorty headers. Oh well. The deeper tone to my exhaust and the better response in the low end is quite nice though
@XHikotheproX6 жыл бұрын
Tony 3.7 I've got a 3.7 as well. Don't worry. MPT says that shorties do add airflow.
@bigsean24736 жыл бұрын
u didnt waste your money. where do you spend most of your driving rpm at?? not at the top end so u are getting what u paid for. long tubes are good if u drive your car wide open a lot, other than that u dont get the benefit of the long tube headers. just my opinion for an everyday driver shorties of mid length is the way to go
@5point0h676 жыл бұрын
Sean Hamre thanks! Yeah I mean I never even go to the track or anything I just daily drive and occasionally I’ll race someone but it’s literally nothing above 60 mph anyway. If I do it’s just red light races from a stop
@santosguerra13496 жыл бұрын
Sorry noob question but what does low end mean here is that referring to low rpm?
@josephcitizen6546 жыл бұрын
Santos Guerra yes low end rpm's
@russellboyd52623 жыл бұрын
I have longtube hookers headers on my 1977 torch red vette.On older cars headers are sick.I would not put them on a modern car,My car is 44 years old,I also put on a high performance exhaust manifold,and flowmaster 40 mufflers.It sound awesome.added about 22 more horsepower,but i did it for the sound,the sound rocks the house for sure.thanks russ.
@SummitRacing3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your feedback, Russell! I bet that does sound nice.
@andrewchristianson20865 жыл бұрын
Vacuum scavenging.. very interesting. Thanks for the info! Will probably be a long while before I look into getting any of these.
@alsmith72702 жыл бұрын
He should have mentioned, the more an engine is built the more important it becomes to use high quality long tube headers, I've been building 600 horse 2nd gen LT1road racing engines, the build is not complete until a good set of long tube headers go on.
@silverhoof01525 жыл бұрын
That intro, I heard that v8 sound from rev heads phone app.
@AliAlhussaini5 жыл бұрын
SilverHoof01 I agree
@7071t66 жыл бұрын
All this is great news for older less complicated engines and car systems, but for those new cars which have fuel injection systems and have a lot of electrical systems under the hood, you need to consider what benefits you will get and what the cost of those benefits will be after changing the factory headers to 4 into 1's or Try y headers, in fact the best ones to use is based on how you drive the new car, so basically if you want more HP down low range ie: 1,500 to around the 4 K mark then use try y headers or shortys, but if your going to track days a lot or street drags, then 4 into 14 would be best, but dont forget, then most tunner places will say you need 4 into 1 headers, but what they dont tell you is they will tune your engine to the headers and thus you engine will make approx 50 HP at the rear wheels for a new Chevy SS for example, but also they dont tell you you need the rest of the system as well, meaning the CATS and CAT back system installed as well, but in reality you will get just as much HP just by a tune of the same engine, they will not tell you this because the business is about selling the headers and also they do not tell you that the headers need ceramic coating due to the extreme heat under the hood and how close your electrical system,s are to the headers especially the chevy Ss which has electrical steering system. So please make sure if your going to get Headers for your car to kook if the model comes out with factory performance headers for the same make and model of your car, like for example the holden SS o chevy SS has HSB or holden special Veichacl which then you can by the HSV headers which come out with TRY Y headers on some models and will give your just as much performance but cost you only 1/4 of the price and specially if get the same try y headers from HSV and have them ceramic coated :)
@SegaSavageMusic3 жыл бұрын
My opinion shorties are good for trucks that 2500 rpm is where mine usually stays on highway unlock a car or stick shift can get higher rpm would go long tube just my take on it
@joeyjojojr.shabadoo9152 жыл бұрын
*PTSD FLASHBACK* after seeing the Driver's side shorty header on the right and remembering my SBC S10 square body days with the steering shaft that had to go in between the header tubes and learning the hard way that I should have also installed solid motor mounts rather than old rubber x-member side mounts (huge pee shiver...rr...rrr...)
@nordmenn08555 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining it in simple english
@TerkeyStone5 ай бұрын
Straight to the point I like him
@SummitRacing5 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching !
@melted_pistons5 жыл бұрын
Summary. Long tubes arent always bolt on but make more mid range to high end power. Shorties are better for fitment and some low end torque
@dono6246 жыл бұрын
The way it was explained to me not too long ago is that before computer modeling and flow profiling this was a general rule and if one stuck to it would generally do well. But it seems that with the advancement of technology the ability to design and build better flowing headers have made short style headers less of a handicap these days so much so that unless you are running an all out dragster a short style header should be all most people can truly benefit from. Am I misinformed?
@oldgriz8166 жыл бұрын
D N , shortys provide lower rpm power, long tube work better mid to high rpm. Check out Billy Nees. He runs NHRA n/sa with a grand prix with a 301 and has a few good articles on header and collector lengths.
@dono6246 жыл бұрын
Yea, for racing high rpm applications, I understand that, but a lot of guys put them on their street and on/off road vehicles. I am just saying for people who have vehicles that are dual purpose these days a good set of shorties should be fine right? Unless you are doing 7,000+ rpm regularly?
@DwayneRouthierJr6 жыл бұрын
D N long tubes are great for MID to high rpm. Mid rpm is roughly 3000 rpm give or take high rpm is about 6-6500 rpm. Shortys are good for off idle to low rpm 1500-2000rpm. Do you spend a lot of time at at lower rpms in over drive? Or do you have a 4 speed with 4.10s and cruise at around 3000 rip'ems? Either choice is an improvemet, it all depends on your application and what you want.
@ghostface122583 жыл бұрын
Thanks Carl for clearing that up.
@SummitRacing3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, Spencer!
@abee21446 жыл бұрын
I just bought some hedman shorties for my 05 Yukon. Hopefully i will be satisfied when I install them Saturday
@treenutz3605 жыл бұрын
How did install go?
@oonothin4 жыл бұрын
@@treenutz360 He dead. Car jack failed and it fell on him.
@praedyththelost37534 жыл бұрын
Bobbys Dad yup R.I.P.
@TheFastStang4 жыл бұрын
Whats the point and benefits of shortys then if they are almost the same as stock... so only long tubes are making sense or what?
@regiyah2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Straight to the point. Thank you!!
@SummitRacing2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@markduncan61055 жыл бұрын
Purchase a set of Tri-Y headers. The Tri-Y is certainly more expensive but if you intend to keep your vehicle for longer than 3 years. Spend the extra money , you will not regret the expense. Go to either Doug Thorley or Stans Headers. I have both on my 95 and 98 4wheel drive chevy trucks. Five plus years spring summer winter and fall. No issues what so ever. That is the difference between a $1000 header and a $250 header.
@kyore7894 жыл бұрын
Low end power, short for me it is.
@mrelectron62203 жыл бұрын
Kyore watch this video in fact if you don't want to watch the whole thing go to around the 15 min mark. They tested a bunch of long tubes than the end they throw on a set of shorties for shits and giggles guess what? torque and HP down on the whole rpm band low end to top so wheres the gains in torque on low end with shorties? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hZeSi7N_3pe9nmg.html
@darrellmedley68096 жыл бұрын
The school of thought I have been told is Long Tubes for air flow. Long Tubes help your car breath and flow air through your system. The more air through, the more power you make, that is why you lose some torque on the low end, you don't get the back pressure that you get with shorties, that is why Long Tubes are boss for upper RPM range. If you are getting top end work done; Cam, super/procharger, bigger pistons, etc, then Long Tubes are the way to go. If you are planning those mods in the future, then long tubes are the way to go.
@xc84876 жыл бұрын
Back pressure is detrimental to performance. It's all about the velocity and CFM of the exhaust.
@XHikotheproX6 жыл бұрын
Another idiot misusing the term backpressure as if engines like a certain amount lol
@xc84876 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oLaUqtOireCRgo0.html
@cruzanity74786 жыл бұрын
Long tubes = More expensive but better Performance Shorties = Lower cost but only good for appearance & stock replacement
@derpyy45776 жыл бұрын
Stock replacements ? So people buy shortys thinking their getting performance Parts when their just replacing the OEM style headers? There has to be some benefit for shorties other then placement issues. are for just looks.
@cruzanity74786 жыл бұрын
Derpy Derp maybe 3-5 hp but I've been researching aftermarket parts for about 4-5 years..especially since I've had a couple of mustangs (2 currently). I've talked with professionals as well as other car enthusiast. If one really wants aftermarket headers for performance, long tubes is the way to go. Depending for what vehicle, it could range from $200-1,000) and get gains (again depending what vehicle) from 15-30 HP. Shorties would open up your exhaust system...but nothing like long tubes. And if you happen to go for some...go ceramic headers because they will last you longer then ordinary chrome finish.
@derpyy45776 жыл бұрын
CRUZ_GT chrome don’t get you home. Wow that’s awesome information. I bought headmen headers for my 289 and they are awesome I can feel the difference when I hit the gas from when I had the OEM factory headers on. Huge difference. I can imagine the open ports the long tube give. I will defiantly get some
@leongarza1936 жыл бұрын
CRUZ_GT I just got my grandpa's truck running it's a GMC 1998 Sierra 2500 350 motor what kind of headers should I get to fit the Flowmaster super 44
@cruzanity74786 жыл бұрын
Leon Garza long tubes , you'd need to weld the Flowmaster to your midpipe (basically switch your stock muffler to that Flowmaster one) but your midpipe might be smaller due to the long tubes
@5abivt6 жыл бұрын
There is no rule to which is better. It depends on what you want to achieve. Headers can be tuned to the engine so changing primary diameters , length and merge type can affect the torque and hp significantly. There is a point where at higher Rpms a mid length header will outperform a longtube header for peak power as then velocity can remain higher with the scavenging effect instead of slowing down in their individual tubes before merging. All depends on the primary diameter, length, size and displacement and rpm of the engine .. so many variables to consider.
@jordan.vickerman62086 жыл бұрын
5abivt is
@SedatedByLife6 жыл бұрын
Wait. First you say there's no rule to which is better but then go on to say one is better than another depending on application. Therefore there is a rule to which is better. Even the video says one is better than another depending on application.
@youarerightboss5 жыл бұрын
You're smart.
@tl51084 жыл бұрын
@@SedatedByLife he's saying ones not outright better then the other. Its dependant on case. Then he kinda gave an example
@johnlindsay72732 жыл бұрын
Given that the shorty headers provide less pulse vacuum internally, would it be a good idea to increase the diameter of the exhaust system from 2.5 to 3.0 inches to provide better top end?
@hemis_keepit_kloudy63052 жыл бұрын
I'm about to ask for shorty headers the high flow cats go with my dual set no 🐈 X pipe 2 super 10s I'm slowly working on my truck
@angelocasio36352 жыл бұрын
great video short and to the point !! Thank you !
@2x4barrels406 жыл бұрын
First and most important do research and pay attention to recommendations . Long tube header will not cause torque loss unless you do not pay attention to size recommendations . Lets say you have a choice of a 1 3/4 primary or a 1 7/8 primary and the 1 3/4 is recommended for stock engines. If you use the 1 7/8 you will have a torque loss and since your engine being stock will not take advantage of hi speed use from big headers. Next brand of header makes BIG difference . After damaging my hooker comp headers I replaced them with a lesser brand of the same size . Big mistake I lost 1000 rpm on top end and engine started missing which required retuning to stop the missing but I did not get the 1000 rpm back. I always make my own mufflers but the new stuff has gotten much better. If you run full exhaust to rear of car you will always lose hi rpm power. On race track you should have a tube added to back of header same size as collector but it should be tuned . To tune tube on collector start with a length of 20"" and take a tire crayon and draw a straight line down it's full length . Make a couple of passes then cut tube wear burn mark stops. Then rejet carb if injected it should retune itself . Always follow manufacturers recommendations most of the time they know there stuff better than you . Ok guy's now go smokem .
@Santashelpermf3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I bought long tube headers
@mrelectron62203 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I would not even waste my $$ on shorty headers the long tubes still work down at low rpm better than stock manifolds or shortys.
@jimthomas7772 жыл бұрын
In some cases , Shorty headers can only be used , The object is to get rid of the exhaust as quickly as possible , every engine is simply a Air Pump , air comes in , gets compressed , then is sent out , the faster it does this , the more power it produces , Restrict either one and power lost
@autonomous_collective5 жыл бұрын
Velocity is key for performance in I6 engines. Which do you recommend for a Jeep 4.0 stroker for velocity?
@anonymousanonymous99915 жыл бұрын
I would go with shorty headers both for ground clearance especially with portal axles etc and because low end power will be better for rock crawling and towing which. If you are looking for road racing performance I stead of off-road though it might be worth getting the long tubes.
@stew-033 жыл бұрын
Shorties would do good for that. And less hassle with clearance issues
@alfonsoramos55976 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video about high flow catalytic convertors?
@Maverick091714 жыл бұрын
This video is riddled with garbage information. 0:43 show me a dyno of where a shorty outperforms a long tube (or even oem manifold) at low end. Also long tube fitment is a non-issue on a quality header. But summit sells junk like pacesetters, so it may be true from their perspective.
@g00dl00kinb0i2 жыл бұрын
As a 9 year owner of a car with LTs I can also say long tubes tend to cause significant emission system issues in many cars due to the exhaust system modifications required to use them. Oxygen sensors like to act up after installing long tubes due to the fact they're gonna be mounted further away from the engine in most cases then they originally were. I got premium Hooker Headers Competition Series stainless system that gives me nothing but o2 issues and it replaced a rusty set of leaky Pacesetter LTs.
@PunisherDMT2 жыл бұрын
Stop stating that shorty headers provide more torque...that simply is NOT true. A shorty header will never out perform a long-tube header with the same sized primary tubes at low rpm. The exhaust scavenging mentioned is more important at low to mid range, and the extra velocity from the longer tubes creates better scavenging in the low to mid rpm range. The only advantage of the shorty is fitment and/or emissions compliance...not performance. Shorty headers can provide an improvement in flow over a stock manifolds higher in the rpm range, but they will never match a long-tube in the low to mid range.
@alsmith72702 жыл бұрын
Yep, you are correct.
@captaindaddy86452 жыл бұрын
long tube headers cook your legs. and modern engines usually need a custom tune after install usually preempted by a che k engine light
@jigandy50384 жыл бұрын
For my 4.6 2v ford which one to I wanna order from your website? I'm doing a light NA build and wanna do a full dual exhaust
@SummitRacing4 жыл бұрын
If you are doing it for more power for towing/hauling, I would recommend the shorty. If you are doing it for performance, I would recommend the full length.
@jayallen4085 жыл бұрын
thanks for the videos it seems like the only downside for long tube headers is getting them to fit
@matzlindfors8987 Жыл бұрын
No the biggest issue is with long tubes you either have to remove the cats or move them which on vehicles newer than -73 i think is illegal
@danteaugusta32503 жыл бұрын
So if I'm looking for more torque for a truck application (no Baja or racing, mainly for getting over stuff (overlanding)) would shorty headers meet the mark? Eventually considering force induction, but haven't crossed that road yet
@SummitRacing3 жыл бұрын
Shorty header would meet your goals just fine if you're looking for improved low-end power. Adding a supercharger will dramatically increase power across the entire rpm range. It will also require improved exhaust flow, and you may want to consider using a header with larger primaries.
@rogerodle87502 жыл бұрын
Thanks Carl -- very informative.
@SummitRacing2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching, Roger!
@nlg06270124 күн бұрын
What size diameter of headers will be best for my application? 85 Square Body w/355 & 400TH. The motor will make approximately 385 HP. I have Vortec Heads and would like to be able to have access to change my plugs easily. Will long tubes be difficult to change the plugs?
@blackseabrew3 жыл бұрын
I'm looking for a shorty header for my 1987 Chevy 1/2 ton 4 wheel drive with TBI. I have a cracked head so I've decided to go with new DART 127221 72cc chamber heads upping compression just a bit. Basically wanting a 350hp/and lots of torque, very streetable with pump gas. In fact this will be a farm truck/trailer hauler near term and project truck long term. Also getting rid of the TBI and all of the emissions and crappy exhaust manifolds. The body of this truck is in near perfect condition short of needing new paint.(and everyone who sees it tries to buy it) Hence the reason spending some money on the engine.
@SummitRacing3 жыл бұрын
Those heads are standard port in stock the location. I recommend 1 5/8” primary tubes headers. www.summitracing.com/parts/snh-cc3158-p/make/chevrolet/year/1987 or www.summitracing.com/parts/snh-cc3158-sec/make/chevrolet/year/1987
@jeffherndon5 жыл бұрын
Something nobody looks at is long tubes can cause EFI management problems because of moving the O2 sensor further away from engine. The problems can be overcome with a competent person tuning the car but you should be aware of this.
@SOU69004 жыл бұрын
One of the good things with carburetors.
@EYE_SPIDER3 жыл бұрын
Awesome explanation!
@mritalianhillbilly5 жыл бұрын
Guess we aren’t going to talk about a lot of G bodies. Long tube if you’re customizing or getting another bracket. Short tube to keep them street ready and less headaches rerouting exhaust.
@mritalianhillbilly5 жыл бұрын
Have shorty on my G body running mid 10s with a small block all motor. Long tube means longer profits for summit, of course they don’t want you to buy the cheapest ones.
@12pawsinn5 жыл бұрын
Somehow I doubt that . But nice story
@armandosmith83234 жыл бұрын
I have a truck I need the low to mid range more so shortys is what I want. It's also lifted 6 inches with 35 inch tires. Its not a race car!
@damet2671 Жыл бұрын
What is the difference between running long tube headers and running short tube headers with test pipes it's pretty much the same thing as long tube headers right
@soggybottomboys27926 жыл бұрын
Would it make sense to get a cam optimized for high RPM if I get a shorty header and if i got a long tube headers i would want a cam optimized for low rpm power?
@joshuacataldo26126 жыл бұрын
So as a stand alone upgrade, the shorty header won't do much over the factory exaust manifold? I have a 2014 Camaro SS
@yamahamer895 жыл бұрын
On modern cars not so much. Only because modern Manifolds are pretty good. On Old muscle cars it's a huge difference like 20+hp/ torque. They will look good on your car. and they do tend to increase low end torque on most cars. I think the Summit guy just wants you to spend more money. Long tubes suck for speed bumps and driveways.
@sicchuckie Жыл бұрын
1st Gen Tundra, no lift, mostly used for truck bed camping, and to replace factory broken manifold or short factory header? Should I go long or short? 4.7 2000 model
@beverett42746 жыл бұрын
What if you are planning on straight piping your exhaust. Which headers would be better?
@erickr.83906 жыл бұрын
following
@dontlookatmyvideos18466 жыл бұрын
Long tube
@dontlookatmyvideos18466 жыл бұрын
Yes
@tmk55225 жыл бұрын
Zoomies
@tonypadilla6404 Жыл бұрын
So the Shorty headers and the Stock Ones Would perform the same basically Or ? Can You tell me your Opinion O ther is not need to Do the Improvement
@jessewinget13475 жыл бұрын
Having trouble finding a good fit for headers for a 351 fe in a 1963 galaxie. Thoughts?
@kenworthcustomlogisticstru80962 жыл бұрын
I have a 2005 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 crew cab LS v8 5.3 LM7 325 cubic inch engine and I want to get headers for it, but I don't know if I want long or shortly tube headers as well as my biggest problem is that I don't know exactly what size headers I need so I don't order the wrong size headers for them to not fit my truck.
@AlecCastaway4 ай бұрын
The A body mopars imported to my country are all RHD so to try avoiding the steering box I have long headers on the passenger side and short headers on the drivers side, will this damage my motor ? It's a stock 318La small block . ?
@brylonmontgomery54555 ай бұрын
If I have a carburator would I need to tune it to run long tube headers
@andrewworman1200 Жыл бұрын
So I have a 95 Chevy 5.7 v8 tbi. I feel like shorty headers would be better for a daily driver. I don’t drive it everyday but I drive or weekly. Would it be more efficient to use shortys?
@user-rj5wq3dw6x8 ай бұрын
Have a 67 base model Cougar with single exhaust. Don't know much about it. I dont race the the car but looking for little more power and better sound. It's a 289 4 b. What would you suggest?
@bladewalker35685 жыл бұрын
So power wise , shortys aren’t much different than stock manifolds ?
@177SCmaro5 жыл бұрын
Almost anything is an improvement over *most* stock manifolds, with few exceptions. Generally shorties will make gains, it depends on how poorly designed your stock exhaust manifolds are. If they're like those old, crummy log manifolds then shorties will help a lot. If your car already came with tubular exhaust manifolds that resemble shorty headers, like you see on a lot of 4 cylinders and even some performance V8's nowadays, you probably won't notice a difference. For example, for the money, I wouldn't mess with shorty headers on a newer Mustang since they come with kinda short headers already, I'd go straight to long.
@danhunt4052 жыл бұрын
I am only considering shorty headers because dorman cast iron manifolds are onlyblasting about 2 yrs and cracking. I dont want a louder exhaust. Will my exhsust be louder if I bolt these to my stock exhaust?
@antor.j.medrano4 жыл бұрын
Love this video.
@SummitRacing4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@antor.j.medrano4 жыл бұрын
@@SummitRacing omg so informative! The day I finally buy my dream Camaro ZL1 I will consider summit racing.
@mitchmajewski48915 жыл бұрын
They say that you can’t usually bolt long tubes on but personally I’d just run open headers
@tl51084 жыл бұрын
Ridiculously loud
@chevyzl17764 жыл бұрын
Which is better for a 2015 Chevrolet Camaro zl1 long tube headers or shorty headers
@labzac2caczac260 Жыл бұрын
Hello, I have a Chevy truck with a 350 engine and I want to put some headers on it, which one do you recommend and which brand? I have it for daily use
@nikkosoriano6 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for this informative video. I want to ask, do stainless steel headers and exhaust pipes give better performance increase over those non-stainless pipes or are those just for looks/aesthetics? Thank you!
@mrelectron62203 жыл бұрын
Geeez people you need to get your information from knowledgeable people shorties will not give you more torque over long tube low end or top end. There just a replacement for manifolds that may be slightly better. There are videos with dyno results that prove this I suppose next you'll tell me I need back pressure in my exhaust system too.
@GWPsGalore Жыл бұрын
Are there any brands u recommend , or recommend to stay away from ?
@brandedmcgowan94142 жыл бұрын
2012 RAM 1500 express 5.7 HEMI, so which is better for low end grunt if you pulling trailers?
@bonsolo51296 жыл бұрын
I have a 2015 Dodge Charger RT with Flowmaster Outlaw Catback which would be the best headers?
@anonymousanonymous99915 жыл бұрын
What other upgrades have you done
@chrismizar46266 жыл бұрын
Will the shorty headers still increase hp?
@derpyy45776 жыл бұрын
Chrismizar ! At the starting line yes.
@modernmusclecar19046 жыл бұрын
Chrismizar ! Only when paired with a good hi flow cat
@myfren906 жыл бұрын
One hp for you
@great1596 жыл бұрын
Chrismizar ! Yes but mostly on the low end side.
@bigsean24736 жыл бұрын
no true. no cat will flow better than any high flow cat.
@brianszymanski29715 жыл бұрын
LC engineering built my long tube headers for my Tacoma No mods to exhaust bolt on easy.
@WARD5KUSTOMZ3 жыл бұрын
Ive got a 99 suburban with a 350. Its 2wd. Would like to use shortys. Then using 2.5 from the headers into an x pipe. With 2.5 tailpipes.
@SummitRacing3 жыл бұрын
Here is a link to the headers we offer for your application: 1999 Chevy Suburban Shorty Headers. www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/headers/year/1999/make/chevrolet/model/c1500-suburban/engine-size/5-7l-350/engine-family/chevy-small-block-gen-i?N=header-style%3Ashorty&SortBy=Default&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=headers&kr=headers
@fernando06546 жыл бұрын
I have a Silverado w a 3” drop in the front and 6” in the back would this be a problem since I’m lower
@treenutz3605 жыл бұрын
Haha for sure. My 90 cought the collector on a speed bump.
@sheeznutz22544 жыл бұрын
Most women prefer long tubes!!
@notachance374 Жыл бұрын
1991 k2500 5.7L automatic 4/4 Long tube What’s the best? Has new 2.5 true dual Flowmater 50 delta mufflers Is there sa stainless option?
@flyinbrianz224 жыл бұрын
I can only run shorty headers. Are they worth the cost over factory manifolds?
@nickwebb99374 жыл бұрын
Brian Zimmer I have shortys on my 91 c1500 didn’t make any difference in power maybe 3 or 4 hp but it does have a deeper exhaust note
@flyinbrianz224 жыл бұрын
@@nickwebb9937 thank you......sounds like I should save my money or move to Texas lol
@payton5759 Жыл бұрын
Have you made a video on the benefits of shorty headers vs stock manifolds? You said those perform more like stock, but are they worth buying aside from looks alone?
@joetheman3576 жыл бұрын
Just bought a set of longtubes for my 2017 mustang GT. Also bought a Sr performance resonator delete and a SLP loudmouth axle back
@johnbeer52426 жыл бұрын
Joe DiCocco oh dam u going to leave all the vehicles behind😨
@deantoniobest30464 жыл бұрын
I have a 1987 Chevy caprice ls with a 400 sbc would the long tube headers fit my car
@matiasleonardo62084 жыл бұрын
For 1/4 mille race which header is better??
@timetofl0at3403 жыл бұрын
Ever find out?
@johnmccarthy22083 жыл бұрын
In the event my front driveshaft is a clearance issue how can I resolve that
@powers9328 Жыл бұрын
Why does it say the complete opposite on your website 🤔
@0to100_RealQuick4 ай бұрын
I am sorry but every other source explains long tube headers are better low to mid RPM and short headers are better at high RPM. Its all about getting the exhaust out quickly at higher RPM so the shorter the distance the better. I believe the long tube makes power low. Motor Trend agrees with me but Holley agrees with Summit. I guess it really comes down to the diameter of the pipe and if its forced induction. Anyone else got any input on the science behind this?
@fatboywilliams304 жыл бұрын
Whats better for a v6 charger gt
@bezerker19604 жыл бұрын
I have 57 Ranchero w/390FE. The stock header just barely clear the steering gear box. I want long tube do I have to go custom or is there a long tube that will clear my steering box
@SummitRacing4 жыл бұрын
Hi Glenn, we do not see anything for that application.
@washingtonstatemyworldmyfi18832 жыл бұрын
I have a 93 fleetwood all stock . I want to change or oem every thing under the hood and under the car , any suggestions?
@AlienRestoMod2 жыл бұрын
LS1 swap 5.3l L59, PCM flashed for LS swap into 69 camaro: problem- backfiring in exhaust tube. Yes I have longtube headers. Passenger side running 50 - 100 hotter then driverside. Any ideas?
@litcharlesmcgee52543 жыл бұрын
I got a 18 Chevy impala and i put a 87 vortec 350 in it what kind of headers do u think i should go with i like the long tubs
@rogeriosartori33362 жыл бұрын
Hi there, I need to place an o2 sensor for my efi. If I use short headers will I neet to position the sensor fuher down the merge of the tubes compared to stock or long headers? Thanks
@concededsleet08984 жыл бұрын
Im Planning to buy/ im wanting to install long tube catted headers from Stainless works for my 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis (they are prefitted to my vehicle as it stats) but im being estimate between 900$-1,500$ in labor from several shops to install them... which i think that ridiculous. im Getting them a buddy of mine Name marty Ochs from Mosspeedshop in Georgia...(His price is 300$-400$ to install then) but i live in Tucson,Az but ive been told you can't
@GCANDY1004 жыл бұрын
Hey! Great video’ i have a Gm crate engine 350. 1year old. Driven 2000 km since first startup. It has a 262 comp cam. Edelbrock eps intake #2701 and The edelbrock 500carb #1403. I am thinking about goin for The headers from Summit G9006? How much horsepower will it Get close to? You have any other suggestions AS far as increasing The overall performance?
@Mysterious_History14 жыл бұрын
Most headers regardless of what you have done only give you around 25 hp at the most
@GCANDY1004 жыл бұрын
@@Mysterious_History1 awesome! thats plenty if you ask me!
@Mysterious_History14 жыл бұрын
@@GCANDY100 yea, headers are probably the best bang for bucks your going to get...I know you already know cams, heads and superchargers are a great way to increase horsepower but they can get expensive.