Ya'll need to watch Discovery or do more research ;P The Cast and Crew all said that the Klingons were modeled after Trump Supporters and the Terran Empire utilized MAGA phrases. In this video, I neither supported nor put down Trump - it was pointing out something happened in the past that i pointed out and it was bad writing. Do research People ;P

"Klingon therapist: the battle against mental illness cannot be won decisively. It is a long campaign against an enemy who never tires, whose forces swell to twice their size whenever you look away. Battle against a foe of such magnitude, who occupies your very mind… every moment you survive is a triumph against all odds. There is no more honorable combat." this has always been something I wanted to see...(this is a good meme)

I genuinely love Lower Decks, it doesn't take it's self serious but it takes Star Trek lore, it's themes and philosophies EXTREMELY serious, even more so than any other Trek after DS9. I rewatch Lower Decks all the time, it truly is a love letter to its self, Trek showing other Trek how to do it and do it properly.

The ending part of this when Mariner decides 'WE'RE FRIENDS NOW!' is precisely how I imagine the interaction between most humans and most aliens goes down. Probably the entire reason that the Klingons and Federation are on again off again friends is utterly stubborn human insistence and equally stubborn Klingon honor. Lower Decks does a consistently good job of showing this and how the various species interact with one another with their own unique cultural traits. It really is the best of modern trek, I just wish people wouldn't look at animation and run away thinking its just for kids. You can't tell me that Mariner isn't exhibiting intense PTSD multiple times throughout Lower Decks from the horrors of the Dominion War and everything else she's been through. This show is, in part, about healing.

I love how it parallels the OG Lower decks episode in which they encourage the one to take the promotion they all knew would have gone to Sito and honor her in excelling in here place.

Though more silly than other Star Treks, it feels more Trek than most of the newer stuff. I have been loving it.

Lower Decks is more Star Trek than all of Discovery and the first two seasons of Picard. Lower Decks and SNW are just as good as the TNG, DS9 and VOY era.

I vaguely remember a TNG episode where someone joked about "Klingon councilors" but here we see they can be good ones - even better than Starfleets councilors.

I had to watch that bit of the Klingon talking twice. Peak Klingon characterization. Thank you for sharing and analyzing this gem.

I absolutely loved this arc. I thought it was the perfect way to honor the episode the show was named for. As weird as it sounds, for me the cartoons have been the best Star Trek shows in the modern era.

So many good character moments in lower decks. This one, the scene when Brad is dealing with the loss of William and talks to sulu in Kirk’s stable, T’lyn and determining who she is. Lower decks is worthy of joining the other great star treks. I was originally skeptical, but as the seasons kept coming, it’s just good trek.

Yeah I got into Lower Decks specifically because I thought it wasn't real Star Trek, because recent 'real Star Trek' wasn't doing it for me. It was with shock that I realized after a while it was the best Trek since DS9. Despite the mockery what shines through is the people writing this show understand and love Star Trek and I'm so glad it's canon.

Lower decks gets better with each new season. I hope it can stay on that course.🖖👍. P.S More episodes per season please.

Ma’ah is a true Klingon, needs to meet Worf!!!

Lower Decks is Star Trek for people that love Star Trek. It's written with a very deep appreciation for the lore of the early series, and even the better parts of the new ones. It uplifts the lore of previous series, instead of spitting on it, as Discovery and Picard both did in early episodes. It's truly excellent, and those that can't watch it because it's animated or because it contains humor are really missing out. SNW is the only other series that "gets" what original Trek was about. Prodigy is good, but it's literally aimed at kids (and there's nothing wrong with that), but Disco had no idea what they were suppossed to be doing for the longest time (and yes, I enjoyed it in spite of that), and Picard wasn't bad, but it was more fan service with no substance, while Lower Decks has substance in abundance. I agree with your statement that this particular Klingon is an exemplar one, who shows what it really means to be Klingon.

This take reminds me of the mostly forgotten Star Trek game, Klingon Academy. In the game, you are mentored by Chang in the period right before Star Trek VI, and you see the lead-up to that. Like this scene and this take, he teaches your character about honor, REAL Klingon honor; the Klingon version of the Kobayashi Maru is a situation with no clean "honorable" solution. By the end of the game, you see things moving toward where they end up in ST VI and Chang coming to the choice he makes...but you see it from his perspective. You see a profoundly philosophical and honorable Klingon making a choice he KNOWS will make him the bad guy. Still, he commits to it despite knowing it will make him the bad guy cause his convictions say so...he commits to the fact it's a one-way path he's going down and makes sure to keep your character out of it for your own sake.

Lower Decks is the trekiest Trek that ever Trekked. - Signed an old-school Star Trek fan.

I don't blame anyone for being put off by the first few episodes of _Lower Decks,_ when it really seemed like _Rick & Morty Roast Trek_ and 90% of the humor was either toilet gags or-worse-inside jokes and Easter eggs. But *it got so much better,* and what they did in the fourth season, especially exploring neurodiversity in the workplace through T'Lyn, will stay with me forever.

Lower decks show what you get when the writers respect even love the universe they are writing in

Lower Deck is the most Trek of modern Trek in my opinion. Strange New Worlds is a close second.

Another YT channel, which shall remain nameless, kept getting upset that Mariner kept "backsliding" instead of continuing to improve. He called it "Season One Mariner." Clearly, he didn't understand how PTSD and healing works. In real life, it isn't just a sudden, "OMG, I'm cured!" moment and that's it. It is a battle with one's own mind and sometimes the bad side wins for a time.

Ma-ah stands up there with Martok as being one of the most shining examples of an honorable Klingon. I'm so glad they brought him back.

"Because honor isn't always at the end of a Bat'leth." I am suddenly reminded on the old Klingon Lawyer from ENT. When he talked to Archer, he said, that Klingons used to seek honor in every aspect of life and not only in combat. Honor can be found in a law process, or finding an antidote to a illness, or researching new ways of agriculture or simply doing your best everyday. And i think, that is what most modern Klingons have forgotten.

Thanks so much for calling out the folks that say that lower decks isn't "Real Trek" Lower Decks have some of the BEST and MOST Star Trek scenes in the alpha! It's LEGIT one of the best of them!

There's also another tone of this message I feel that makes this episode ressonate so deeply... we wanted our world to be in a position we could focus on what we really wanna do... be educators, be scientists, be architects... be whatever we chose as our paths in life to better ourselves, our skills and contribute to the world... but right now, we gotta fight to defend it. We gotta stand up, and be warriors, even if we do not want to. It carries the message that, to protect what we hold dear, sometimes we have to stand up, regardless if that is what we wanted to do. Because it is what we have to do. Star Trek has always been political and progressive and commented on what we face in the world outside of the screen, but not always with such a high degree of finesse.

SUPERB analysis! When I watched this episode, I missed NOTHING! I’m always seeing how VERY “Star Trek” Lower Decks is! The show runner, writers, and actors did not mess around when they created this masterpiece of a show! The heart and soul of Star Trek not only lives in Lower Decks, it THRIVES!! I simply cannot properly express how much I love this show!! WARP ME!!

For a very long time i was opposed to Lower Decks because it was animated. The moment i watched the first episode? Yeah im hooked. ❤

I've been a fan since season 1. Plus, my boy Boimler is awesome! My favorite character. You see, I like Trek, but I don't hate those who like the Trek I don't like. For me, it is STTNG, STE, STDS9, STLD and then STV.

Finally, a Klingon that can show how their civilization actually survives. If it was all battle and dying with honor, they would be extinct because they would have no engineers or scientists to develop their weapons or ships! Sometimes you gotta go out and fight for survival, sometimes you fight for fun, sometimes you go grab a big-ass quantum wrench and crawl into an engine, or you go farm some food so your people have something to eat. Just be true to yourself and your people, and you'll always have your honor in the end... and can go charge out in a blaze of glory when you get bored of being one of those peace-loving weirdos that seem to infest the galaxy.

Another amazing video! Well done!

Ma’ah was hands down my favorite takes on a honorable Klingon. Every scene he’s been is a treat. When I thought he had been killed, I was so sad that the Klingons had lost such a great character and of such great character.

Lower Decks is the best thing in Star Trek today imo. I have a Paramount subscription JUST for watching that show.

When it comes to Klingons, I'm always reminded by that lawyer that helped Captain Archer. "Back when Honor was earned, through integrity and acts of true courage."

I’ve only seen the first two seasons, but you’ve nailed it. Lower Decks IS peak Trek for the Disco era.

This episode is great. Really love the one with Rikers elite crew too where they had been a combat cree for so long they had forgotten that they went into it to be scientists. And it was the cerritos crew that got them to go 'oh wait...im not a soldier...im a botanist with really good cardio' i love how the lower decks makes the federation more a bunch of nerds who want to make the world a better place but the galaxy is sometimes complicated. Its great character work and really captures the energy of old school trek

This episode came at a time where I was, and still am, undergoing a massive healing of a currently 14 year old pain of heartbreak, relationship and toxic work trauma/PTSD, mental, spiritual and physical sickness. It’s like my heart was dislocated and shredded, and I was hanging on to faith (I’m Baptist) by a thread. I wasn’t exactly running, I was pressing on, but was lost, at times wanting to just search for something better, more stable. Except here I was more eagle eyed and less myopic and confusing myself This episode helped get me a bit more focused, even if rhetorical pain is still there, the final bit of healing being absolutely painful

I watched the first few episodes of LD with some kind of horror at things that seemed so utterly out of place in the Trek universe (like an officer stashing contraband and weapons behind panels) but I was such a fool and I am so glad I gave this show the chance it deserves because it has some of the most trek like trekkiness I have ever had the pleasure of watching. I genuinely love these characters after four incredibly well written seasons and such immense character development. I am so damn invested in every one of them. I also have to say the writing of the captain is masterful. She is initially painted (pun intended) as a bit of a mess but ALWAYS with conviction and always determined to do the right thing as everything gets more and more wrong all around her. This last season they gave her some very very well earned wins. God I love this show

I love Lower Decks! My first thought was finally, they gonna take us into a Starship's crew. Believe me when I say, I had hopes. I wished to do this in a live-action! Too flesh-out a starship. That there was more to it than the bridge, the sickbay, engineering and various quarters. I want to see what makes Federation Starship REAL! I want to see the plumbers, electricians...the guys who clean the windows! We've seen the Save-The-Galaxy-sized adventures of Captain's April, Pike, Kirk, Picard and so on. Let's see the everyday-sized ones? Let's see the real five year missions!

The episodes I have seen of this show really do carry the spirit of Star Trek honour is something that’s been missing for a long time

I think this is my favorite video of all the ones you've done and it tells a truth I never realized. And yes, you do a great job showing off why this series is the best Trek we've had in decades (now alongside Brave New World)

Well said I very much enjoy Lower Decks as well because this is what Star Trek is exploring mysteries yes but sometimes you are gonna get dirty and have a battle. To me Marinar is a warrior but feels she doesn't fit in the era of Star Fleet she's in when the reality is she is very much Riker, Sisko, or Janeway and the Klingon sees that she is a warrior but feels she's on the wrong path but helps her get back on that path the way Worf did that with Kurn, Martok, and even his own son Alexander. As someone once said "you don't need to have a uniform to have honor" and you don't need to slay thousands if enemies to be one either, be true to who you are no matter what that is and you will live with honor.

Yeah the perfect defence of lower decks I couldn’t have said it better it’s why I love the show. Many praises to you ❤👌🏼the whole show was about showing what we miss in the live action shows. It’s a mirror held up to the federation. Anyway you rock!

Lower Decks is definitely Good Star Trek! I liked how you explained how I feel about the show but couldn't put into words! It's a good time to be a Trekkie.

Seriously your best and most thoughtful video Lore.

I don't like Discovery or Picard, but I've watched a couple of episodes of this and liked it, with this video you're convinced me. This is peak Star Trek, you won me over. Will watch.

Lower Decks really grew on me and I hated Discovery and Picard. I actually kinda wanted to hate Lower Decks the same way but your right in that it had the Trek feel.

This scene reminds me of one of my favourite lines in TNG, where Worf says he honours Natasha's memory by trying to perform her duties as well as she did.

What stands out to me most is how he keeps framing things in larger terms, further from the individual. She's talking me, my friend, I want-while he's stuck on the Federation, the Dominion, the space opera of it all, until the point that she dissociates herself from her position by tossing the pip aside. Distanced from her greater whole, he treats her more as such, finally making it as personal as she was seeing it the whole time.

I cry every time I see this scene. It’s so perfect. It also makes me want so badly to see a Klingon serving as ships’ counsel on a federation vessel.

Lower decks took me a while to get into. It honestly took rewarching it to really get a good feel for it again, but this isn't the only episode or instance where Lower Decks does indeed feel like it's taking itself seriously, and fixes the mistakes of the Discovery Era, and even the mistakes of the TNG and TOS Eras. I'm actually quite pleased with the series now, and hope that Lower Decks spawns a few spinoff series that can hopefully open up other aspects of the universe.

lower deck is showing us the effect some of the major events from the older shows like TNG, voyager, DS9, even classic first start trek, and the enterprise series, had on the universe like the fact we see klingon, go from always wanting to start wars and fights people to a warrior race of true honor taking alot of inspiration from worf, or the ferengi the goof ball money grubbing race being more flesh out an coming off as yes they care about money but they also care about their people, and understands how badly a bad deal can effect them.

I really wasn't sure about lower decks before it came out, but it's currently right at the tippy top of all current extant trek media and is quite frankly possibly one of the best of all. It has so much depth in a 'gag' show, so many nods, so many stories and people in it that just show the writers not only love trek but are, shockingly, absolutely competent, incredible writers.

Lower Decks is the most Star Trek show that's been made to date, if for no other reason than they can actually show the diversity of the Federation and larger universe.

I really wish we get a Klingon show. This honestly got me inspired to jump back to Online and start a new Klingon character. The Klingons have always been my favorite faction and this show is a great reason why I love them so much because you can be honorable in much more than combat like that Klingon middle school teacher in that one book.

Lower Decks and Prodigy are the best Disco era Star Trek shows, they are immersed in cannon without relying on nostalgia or retcons.

you have summed up exactly how i feel about lower decks

Very well said!

LD is my favorite trek show, I gathers everything I love about the franchise and makes a work of art

Fantastic video

This is basically what I’ve said since first starting to watch the series, although I hadn’t used that episode as an explanation, but will going forward as it’s perfect and very easy to understand

this is the kind of discourse i like to see take place about the art we watch

I'm just repeating what most of the other comments are saying, but I still have to chime in: Lower Decks is the most Star Trek thing to be produced since Voyager, if not since DS9 or even TNG.

Excellent observations.

"Honour your friend. Slay your enemies. Study your plants." Words to live by.

I'm pretty impressed by this scene and it hits personally, actually. I'm currently in the Canadian Navy, and I definitely work with people who are just dialling it in like Mariner. I came to this career later on in life, in my 40s,and despite the issues we have, I'm legit proud to be there and made that choice to be there.

Loved this show from the beginning, but during this scene when Mariner named Sito, my jaw _hit the floor._

Your argument has convinced me to give it a chance when before I dismissed it entirely. Well done

I didn't want to watch it until I saw SF Debris (and also Jammers Reviews) mention that the first couple of episodes are awful but that later in the first season it gets watchable. I watched one out of curiosity and was shocked that it was good, and there's one easy way to find out if the episode is good: If the episode criticizes Mariner as a person, it's good. If it praises her, it's bad. All the good episodes of Lower Decks are about trying to get Mariner to grow as a person, and all the bad ones are about how she's "already awesome."

This scene spoke to me. Be the best you, that you can be is the highest form of honor.

What you said here, I've been saying for ages now. Beyond the animation and the jokes, LD is one of the best things Trek gas offered in a long time. Yes, some of the characters are goofy but they also have more to them. A depth that I was never expecting from the show. Hats off to the team behind it. They really did an amazing job.

There are so many great things about this scene. Mariner's growth, Ma'ah's conviction. One thing especially. He doesn't personally understand the appeal of studying the universe, but he doesn't view it as a sign of weakness either. He isn't all "pah, humans are weak", he may not fully like Starfleet, but he doesn't look down on it. I love them both as characters. Mariner is scarred, flawed. That doesn't make a bad character, as long as it's written well. And I think Lower decks did a pretty good job building up to this moment. She's also not stupid. I think her 'quick' revelation is that someone finally hit the core of her problem. Everyone else thought she was just being lazy or insubordinate or something else. Ma'ah saw through all of that and essentially hit her where it hurts, and it finally made some impact. Also, I feel like there's a bit more to this whole discussion that gets a bit more meta about real life arguments about Star Trek. The people who argue that DS9 ruined Star Trek with the Dominion War or any other time Star Fleet has to roll up its sleeves and fight. It is a discussion with WAY more nuance than can be talked about here, and good arguments from both sides, but I feel like the point here is "Sometimes you have to fight for your beliefs and convictions. You may not like it, but it's necessary."

Lower Decks has fixed alot of things. Unfortunately alot of fans were very quick to write it off as a silly non canon cartoon. And lets not forget those who jumped into the "Mariner is a Mary Sue and the show is trying to push WoKe sjw agendas" bandwagon literally after episode 1

Lower Decks is Star Trek for everybody. I showed to my 20-30 year old children which have no interest in Star Trek and they jumped right into it with joy. Lower Decks stories can stand on their own, but there are funny Easters eggs in there for those of us in the know.

At first i was like "what is this BS" and then i saw it IT IS STAR TREK AT ITS FINEST

It was a very good scene between Mariner and the Klingon Captain, I never thought about what it tells us about the Klingons, so I really liked your insights here! Lower Decks is right up there with my favourite Star Trek series. I love the stories, the characters and the jokes. The jokes come from a place of love for Star Trek. The series embraces Trek where Discovery seems to keep it at arms length.

@Lore Reloaded, I fully agree, Lower Decks reminds uswhat we love about Trek in the first place and honours its history. Now, let us bring on the blood wine! 🍷

This klingon interaction is up there with 'There is no greater enemy than ones own fears' 'It takes a brave man to face them'

Lower decks and strange new worlds are the best Trek out there.

Lower Decks has such range. Hits you in the feels, makes you laugh, has action, weird science mission, romance, all of it. So good

Lower decks is the most Star Trek thing since Enterprise. It feels genuine and retains the spirit of it

I can't say I agree with all of your takes, but you are DEAD ON here.

Been watching since the original stores movies and this is my favorite Trek. It's not close.

I loved this episode and this scene. Lower Decks is the breathbof fresh air Trek really needs and uses comedy to enhance its own drama. I felt the echos of the best TNG Klingon moments in this scene. Its also notable that the Klingon she is speaking to was also lower decks till that season.

Lower Decks is in the same vein as Star Trek: The Animated Series. This clip with the Klingon, correcting the path the Federation ensign, is classic Star Trek with good writing. Two thumbs-up for Lower Decks.

There are buckets of Star Trek in Lower Decks.

Lower Decks is one of the Star Trek shows I love the most and WISH had more than 10 episodes a season. It's the first time in decades that I went out of my way to buy relevant merch for a Star Trek series. And, yeah. This was GOOD. Some people think taking this long to finally get to the root of Mariner's self-destructive tendencies was grating, but they clearly haven't had to deal with trauma of this kind before. She puts on an act to keep people from getting too close because her role model died. That's seriously the kind of shit that takes YEARS to deal with. And honestly I think having one of the most honorable Klingons to grace Star Trek call her out was exactly how this all needed to happen, though it's a shame that Worf didn't. Seriously, Worf would have been perfect, but he was busy dealing with whatever was going on with the Enterprise-E at the time. But not even when they were both on DS9, it seems.

Although I completely disagree with involving current year politics into Star Trek videos (because of the centuries of differences of Human cultural and civil evolution), I fully agree with your view of Lower Decks and this Klingon/Mariner interaction.

I've only watched the first or second episodes of the show But I saw several scenes on YT beforehand and this was one of them and I loved it for what it did

Lower decks is carrying the Star Trek franchise.

I'm sure the things I'm gonna say will prolly already be in the comments. Lower decks is awesome, much like other trek it took some time to get its footing but it is very much emotionally charged, like avatar(the last air bender, not dances with blue people) sure the first few episodes feel more Rick and Marty, but they abandon that quickly. Most people who hate it dislike the inside joke nature of the show, nostalgia plays an important part, but they also put that nostalgia in perspective. Flying around ds9 extra to mimic the slog of an opening for that show is an awesome inside joke, but the lines used make the joke inclusive, not a gate to bar people. It has some of the most exciting moments in all of disc era, and include how much I enjoyed discovery after if discovered..... yes I said it.... how much I hate the main character of the show. Lower decks is surprisingly magical, hell I can't even finish the Picard series yet. Anyway, for once I fully agree with you lore.... well except for the Trump voter references but I see them as more Bush Era pro war analogous than more modern takes..... even if that isn't what they were planning on.

Lower Decks is a work of pure love for the franchise. For any trekkie it's just as peak star trek as it can be

I wholeheartedly agree. Lower Decks is satirical, but the stories are Trek at its best. 🌟🖖🏼 One reason is because it’s made by people who love Trek. Satire isn’t respected as it should be. Real world example: “Private Eye” is a satirical magazine but the news in it is as accurate and important as in the Guardian.

Watching this video made me tear up. That episode was everything great about Star Trek and Lower Decks respects the hell out of the entire series in a way no other series has for a long time.

To me that segment of her mentioning the war and how Star Fleet shouldn't even be in it, when put alongside Cisko's lamenting about the war deaths of the war really strikes home.

I love sci-fi comedies, so Lower Decks was right up my alley despite not being much of a Star Trek fan. But yeah, I've seen a lot of people online that dismiss this show just for daring to have fun with its setting instead of being constantly serious, it's like making a joke about the silly parts of the lore is somehow heresy to them.

Thank you..... I've often wondered if I was wrong, for liking Lower Decks, better than any of the new live action shows!? I get more of the old Star Trek there... People don't like Mariner, says she's a screw up... Well, I just think she's just trying to hide how vunerable she is.... This is a great Star Trek show... 😊

Lower decks is the only Nu Trek worth the name. It comes from a place of love for everything that cam before.

Bravo!

Klingons believe in honor, it is honorable to live your life authentically and to tackle whatever challenges come your way. The Klingon chef in DS9 is honorable as he makes the best gagh he can, just as Martok is honorable as he led the Empire through the back half of the Dominion War. Lower Decks understands this in a way that newer Trek has often, seemingly deliberately, not.

I did notice what they did, and I love it.