LOST - Locke And Walt Backgammon - "Two players. Two sides. One is light one is dark"

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15 жыл бұрын

In a Lost podcast many years ago Damon and Carlton claimed that there was a critical clue which had been frequently missed by many fans. After years of speculation I believe we now know what that clue was. Watch this video below from the Pilot and all will make sense!

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@bydus88 13 жыл бұрын

I wish I could forget lost and watch it all over again..

@Phototato 11 жыл бұрын

Ah, so the whole plot of Lost is just a really complex match of Backgammon, played by Jacob and The Man in Black..

@christoffer4862 2 жыл бұрын

Correct. And it is perfectly reasonable that the Man in Black is behind the Dharma initiative, continuing the work of "his people" to find a Loophole. He is also behind The Numbers, bogusly picked as a serial number to the reality throughout Lost. The goal was to change the numbers, which was accomplished in Season 6.

@mkultravictim3917 2 жыл бұрын

“Their dice were made of bones” meaning that their dice were (or are) people.

@johnlocke8642 2 жыл бұрын

@@christoffer4862 Never thought of this, when he first tries to leave the island he did say "there are very smart men among us who are curious about the island." He probably wanted Dharma to eventually win the war against the Others (since they follow the word of Jacob)

@christoffer4862 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnlocke8642 Watch and pay attention to the intro / theme / topics of MYSTERIES OF THE UNIVERSE! Ben talks about MYSTERIES OF THE UNIVERSE with Flocke in episode 12 DEAD IS DEAD in Season 5. Rewatch the episode and pay attention to what they are saying. Then watch it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nZNzpNKo2Ni-XYk.html

@labyrinth123 2 жыл бұрын

OHHHH

@bpmill7 12 жыл бұрын

"Two sides, one is light, one is dark..." And that is what lost is all about.

@CheerfullyCynical829 Жыл бұрын

Reality has SO MUCH pesky complicated "grey" between the light and dark. Wish it were simpler.

@sx3708 Ай бұрын

@@CheerfullyCynical829Yes but truly jacob and mib are kind of grey. none of them, jacob isn’t really good and mibs evil is very understandable seeing as jacob made him that way

@vstavlic 9 жыл бұрын

This scene is the reason i started to play backgammon and i love it!

@Oldschoolrap91 8 жыл бұрын

same here :-) didn't really know about backgammon before Lost. But I'm loving it since that episode back in 2006

@nathandunlap8358 6 жыл бұрын

vstavlic well it was talking about the topic alone not words out of context to mean anything esle but the topic of conversation lbackgammon like chess ine side is lignt the other dark..

@TheCoreyHodges 6 жыл бұрын

"You're having a bad month." -John Locke

@davzac86 6 жыл бұрын

Lost explained in 30 seconds

@patriots20002 7 жыл бұрын

Why has this backgammon scene stuck with me for 12 years?

@PicardSisko7 7 жыл бұрын

patriots20002 this scene is John Locke explaining what the show is all about: the fight between Jacob and the man in black. Light vs Dark.

@Keanopro123 5 жыл бұрын

me to but i dont know why

@adrianpale2342 4 жыл бұрын

i think it's just good dialogue and acting by Terry O'Quinn and Walt Malcolm Kelley

@Javide018 11 жыл бұрын

Go to minute 1:35 and take a look at the dices...which numbers do you see...? Amazing!!!

@aryastark772 3 жыл бұрын

People also miss the fact that at the time they crashed, both Locke and Walt were the two that were most connected to the island spiritually

@galacticinquisitor 14 жыл бұрын

The writers didn't know EXACTLY where they were going from the start, they had a general idea, but it wasn't totally planned. As the series went on, they wrote according to what they had already shown, in order to fit things together.

@igomyway 2 жыл бұрын

year 2022 : still coming back to this ⚪⚫

@HeyKim0012 13 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite scenes ever. So cryptic. I miss this show.

@AxiomTheMusic 13 жыл бұрын

John Locke went from a mysterious man, to a creepy old man, to the greatest thing ever, to the smoke monster... Talk about tragedy.

@sx3708 2 жыл бұрын

when was he creepy?

@mertozcelik02 2 жыл бұрын

@@sx3708 I think he means the scene when he kills Naomi

@StrangelyFamilliar 14 жыл бұрын

locke was so cool in season one

@sx3708 2 жыл бұрын

locke was always cool dude

@darthkahn45 Жыл бұрын

The single best thing Lost even gave me was convincing me to try backgammon. It's such a fun game. Kind of like if checkers and snakes and ladders had a baby.

@1FaithMan1 11 жыл бұрын

I can't believe this...what an amazing show!

@emsilua 11 жыл бұрын

To be honest, I kinda thought that too, but I've recently started watching the show all over again and I'm starting to change my mind. When I saw this scene the second time, knowing how the show ended, I was really amazed :D

@jimsoucy6673 11 жыл бұрын

Best show ever. Just sent this vid to my sister. She loves to lose in backgammon! ;-)

@D3stinySm4sher 14 жыл бұрын

Yea, they played a clip of this scene for the preview of next week's episode. It's been there since day one. So awesome.

@rockhater 12 жыл бұрын

@DrearierSpider the secret he tells Walt is about how he was in a wheelchair before the crash. Walt later tells Michael, in the same episode, that Locke told him a miracle happened to him.

@elduderino6758 3 жыл бұрын

I remember this show playing on TV.. late at night as a kid.. they had a warning here before each episode that it's only for mature audiences and you felt so creeped out by the eery atmosphere.. the intro and ending sounds..

@Blackwingsss 11 жыл бұрын

-Walt, do you want to know a secret? You are dark...

@CaliforniaJoker1 14 жыл бұрын

Looking at the first season now, it feels funny that the writers basically told everyone what was happening on the island from the start but, still, nobody really got it.

@JackLivesTogether 14 жыл бұрын

@LeleMorrison It's defiantly foreshadowing. The secret Locke was referring to though, was that he was in a wheel chair, the fact that he could walk on the island. They weren't referring to the secret of the scene, 'Do you want to know a secret' had to do with the fact of the miracle that he could walk.

@boydcape 15 жыл бұрын

A nice link up to the theme of light and dark refering to Jacob and Eseu

@D3stinySm4sher 14 жыл бұрын

Mind = blown. "One is light...One is dark..." And that's exactly what this season is winding down to. Except, well, I personally think that neither side is "good" or "evil," simply "light" or "dark" and both have positive and negative motivations, etc. But that's just me. LOST has, up until now, been very clear about how everyone has the potential for good and bad in them and that everything is shades of grey. I'd like to hope it concludes with that.

@aragon1237 6 жыл бұрын

That is why I like watching it for the second time. " One is light, one is dark".

@iSteveGWT 11 жыл бұрын

4 and 16 are on the dice shown which are of any interest/coincidence

@_thomaswaldron 14 жыл бұрын

Yeah I've been thinking of this scene for a while now. And its always been a recurring theme in Lost mythos, but even then we don't really know who Jacob is to quickly call him good... People are so quick to think they have it mapped out already, that its that easy..

@CosmicUndeadElf 12 жыл бұрын

Well I should clarify I mean it's hard to follow the plot in later seasons SOMETIMES, not always. Also I don't wanna go into detail because I'm aware some of you probably haven't seen the whole thing yet and I'm cautious about spoilers. But I think people who's watched the last couple of seasons get what I mean.

@CosmicUndeadElf 12 жыл бұрын

When you watch scenes like this it's funny how slow paced it is compared to seasons 4 5 and 6, I guess they had to hurry the plot along so the show wouldn't carry on for too many years but I think it moved a bit to quickly because you hardly have time to process what's happening in the plot. That said I like each season the way it is, and I think 6 was the most interesting cause it had the most "Monster" appearances.

@kingstevokingstevo 13 жыл бұрын

wow watched this again last night u have to know the plot though to understand this part

@Har19 14 жыл бұрын

@feelerr I think this show will ultimately be about good vs evil.

@JackLivesTogether 14 жыл бұрын

Mr. Echo was the Smoke Monster. It's also possible that Walt since he's special, that the smoke monster could have been him too. The smoke too is also said to have been Jack's dead (Which I dont' believe). And Alex, Ben's daughter. The smoke monster can take the form of people who died on the island. Yemi (Echo's brother) died on the island.

@HollowHill17 10 жыл бұрын

secret is Walt you will always be dark and he will always be light.. THE END

@falcon-vx3cc 7 жыл бұрын

HOLLOW HILL The secret is that john can't walk but some amircale happened and he can walk again

@rooeeez 13 жыл бұрын

@splashakos that he was in a wheelchair before the crash. no one really knew that about Locke, except Walt.

@JackLivesTogether 14 жыл бұрын

@gelfling12345 You find out that Locke tells Walt he was in a wheelchair and could now walk on the island, he tells his dad a miracle happened to Mr. Locke.

@CentollazoVerne 3 жыл бұрын

This i think is how the original plot is about but with the grow UP of walk the storyliners change the future of the show

@robh9352 10 жыл бұрын

Walt, real name Malcolm David Kelley, also was an actor in the movie, "Knights of the South Bronx", he's the kid that called his chess teacher Cokey, because he had thick eye glasses.

@avilanews 15 жыл бұрын

yes it was

@JackLivesTogether 14 жыл бұрын

@tbrox24 I hope they go back to the fact that Walt was special, other wise what was the point of season 2's Walt scenes.

@KoreanClassicRock 14 жыл бұрын

Walt's voice changed so much

@chitusthedog Жыл бұрын

when i first saw this i tought his secret was something about being a serial killer or something

@lucas198 12 жыл бұрын

'you're having a bad month...'

@TheRelentlessNeleon 10 жыл бұрын

What about them?

@schoisch 15 жыл бұрын

Do you really think this is the clue Damon and Carlton were referring to? I always found this scene quite obvious, only I just didn't think of that there are two personifications of good and evil like Jacob and his nemesis. Couldn't it be some other scene we still don't get? Also quite nice when the camera shows the backgammon board: more white stones than black ones...or just over-interpretation ^^

@CamaroX17 12 жыл бұрын

@rockhater OH i was wondering since that episode all the way to the end of the season what the secret was, thanks!

@Venomonia 15 жыл бұрын

I think eko shoose at the end not the way lock wanted, and therefore must die, remember lock got saved from alot of weird forces, at the end eko had still questions and had more then once a chance to shoose the side of the island, but he was to much a treat and therefore he must be eliminated, TBH if i meet this person at night irl i would fear him also :)

@IbEstie2 4 жыл бұрын

I caught this clue, but I still don't get it! I have trouble percieving who is good & who is bad. For instance, why did the group split in two with half going with John & half with Jack? Who was the bad guy? Jack, or John?

@victorpradha9946 3 жыл бұрын

Both of them were wrong. They both got a lot of people killed. Same for Sawyer too...getting it wrong and getting Jin, Sun and Sayid killed with pulling the bomb wires.

@zcsman7878 13 жыл бұрын

@kingstevokingstevo I'm assuming its the Man in Black (Black) and Jacob (White)?

@AsRealAsItGetsBoxing 12 жыл бұрын

have it lost in your memory

@ATLphotographer 14 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I definitely caught it back then. They do it again when they show Adam & Eve with the black and white stones.

@ifinn1195 3 жыл бұрын

Wait its 4:3. Wehen was it uploaded?…. Jeeeeez

@apatel478 3 жыл бұрын

"They made it up as they went" Did they?

@Azureus42 14 жыл бұрын

this is the fucking sense of the show... but no one could see this before the fifth season finale

@Nautilus1972 10 жыл бұрын

They said that to distract fans from the fact that they were making up the storyline as they went a long, season by season, with no intention of ever being able to tie up the ends of the story.

@Samsasrenjet 9 жыл бұрын

"Oh, so they're all on the island because they're candidates." Seriously, Lost's biggest problem was making its characters seem all important.

@Samsasrenjet 9 жыл бұрын

***** Are you referring to Locke contrasting good and evil? That's a very broad monologue, so I wouldn't really call it foreshadowing since it's applicable to almost anything. Instead I'd say Locke's monologue sets the tone for Lost. I also wouldn't call it elegant because of where it's situated in the story. True Detective pulls something similar (stop reading this and go download True Detective if you haven't seen it yet) in it's last episode. (Seriously, spoilers.) In the show's final scene, Matthew Mcconaughey's character looks at the night sky and remarks how inspirational it is that the light of the stars is steadily puncturing the vacuum's darkness. This plays out great because it clarifies the show's theme at the end, giving viewers an opportunity to think about what they saw. On the other hand, Locke's monologue tries to promise the viewers that there will be deep moral questions to come. It could have been profound, but it comes off like a cheap hook, especially considering all of the meandering that follows. Lost was an ambitious show. It provided what, 120 hours worth of entertainment? There was no way, no matter how talented the production team could have been, such a massive undertaking could have ever have come out with a clear vision. Carelessly implemented characters like Libby, Caesar, and the Japanese temple guy (Hiroyuki Sanada) go to show how Lost stumbled. There was just too much to Lost for Lost to solve. So, when the final season came along and the writers felt the pressure to leave fans satisfied, they chose to tack on a nice little bow of meaningfulness to send the show off. They injected meaning by making the characters extra-important. The concept of candidates is ludicrous within just the context of the show, and it's also underdeveloped to a fault. True Detective does something similar to Lost's ending by giving it's two protagonists a relatively clean resolution. It worked in that show because True Detective mainly focused on just it's two protagonists. Lost on the other hand focused on a massive cast and unrelated phenomena, and should have accordingly strove to resolve it's mysteries. I love Lost, and I appreciate how interesting and provoking it was throughout its run. However, it has its share of problems, and giving its character's too much importance is one of them.

@justlikeEmma 14 жыл бұрын

What as the secret?

@nathandunlap6957 7 жыл бұрын

serect in the color..

@gurelarikan8498 4 жыл бұрын

This scene should have been about weiqi/go/baduk! Lost should have picked that as it's metaphor! Go is about life&death and eyes, is older than backgammon, doesnt involve dice, still one side light and one side dark... it would have been just perfect.

@PeterEhik 14 жыл бұрын

@Delibird13 he'es a kid, kids ask questions, that's what they do, that's what makes them kids

@VCYT 4 жыл бұрын

1:33 - its the blue pill / red pill scene.

@coolmikevids99 14 жыл бұрын

@GanstaBigshot24 I like their characters in season 1 and half of seson 2 until he was told to set ben free and killed ana lucia and libby

@MikeGoesBadaBoom 4 жыл бұрын

Wasn’t that the theme the whole time? The man in black vs the man in white

@pluckybellhop66 4 жыл бұрын

It was definitely the metaphor for the relationship between Jacob and the man in black

@Anecdotallycorrecttoday_ 12 жыл бұрын

WHATS HE SECRET

@CTifer 15 жыл бұрын

Wasn't it that he was paralyzed?

@splashakos 14 жыл бұрын

WHAT IS THE SECRET????

@fotokahani0 15 жыл бұрын

the backgammon board is set up wrong lol

@gelfling12345 14 жыл бұрын

what's the secret?!?

@dragonsflame35 14 жыл бұрын

No wonder Walt took a liking to Locke.. he's FREAKING awesome! Best character in the whole show!!! Other fav characters are Michael, Mr. Eko and Miles.

@Jhofy 2 жыл бұрын

@Yoda _ without a doubt

@Jhofy 2 жыл бұрын

@Yoda _ i like Richard a lot too

@maksenDK 12 жыл бұрын

@bydus88 me2 mate... me2..

@nickdgs75 14 жыл бұрын

@PeterEhik One is white, that's Locke, One's black, that's Walt.

@haroonfunny94 13 жыл бұрын

@coolmikevids99 man in black represents black jacob represents white whats not to get?

@dragonsflame35 14 жыл бұрын

@GanstaBigshot24 Check out Harold Perrineau in OZ... don't be afraid of the show.. if you can't take all the ADULT stuff in it.. you don't deserve to watch it.. That's what creator Tom Fontana says.. As for Michael, I can understand people not liking him. It is a shame he had to do what he did... They mainly did it because of Malcolm David Kelley growing up really fast... of course they could have done something else

@nonameddog 14 жыл бұрын

WHAT WAS THE SECRET??

@pampampam543 4 жыл бұрын

He was paralyzed, but he is walking now.

@dragonsflame35 14 жыл бұрын

@GanstaBigshot24 I like Sawyer and Hurley too. I think the writers gave Michael the worst story arc in the whole series in season 4. Such a waste of time and all that hype about him coming back just to appear in 4 episodes and blow up!!!??! Screw that! Michael is still one of my fav characters because of Harold Perrineau's acting. I liked him the most in HBO's OZ as Augustus Hill.

@lidoolsakura 15 жыл бұрын

dont get it

@HurleyWeezer 14 жыл бұрын

@coolmikevids99 he explains to Walt what's the difference between thite people and black people.

@midgerm 13 жыл бұрын

YAA LOCKE HAS HIS LEGS BACK i saw on youtube that he was bound to a wheel chair because some douch bag pushet him out a window that was i tihnk 8 story's tall

@PeterEhik 14 жыл бұрын

@nickdgs75 ok

@GabeWorkman34 15 жыл бұрын

one is black one is white this game is being played hypothetically speaking by jacob and his enemy. The dark side is evil the light side is good. The story of good and evil which revolves now on Jacob and his nemisis ehich are also wearing 2 different shirts, One is dark, one is light.

@nickdaman23 3 жыл бұрын

Do anybody know what the secret was? 😁

@mielyt125 2 жыл бұрын

John was paralysed before he came to the island

@nickdaman23 2 жыл бұрын

@@mielyt125 I figured that’s what it was, I was it’s making sure

@DeadlyVeggie 15 жыл бұрын

thats the big question aint it? are we good at heart or bad.... Jacob and his frenimy disagree... is would seem they're both right. Like Jacob got it right with bernard and rose on the island, but wrong about dharma and most of the others lol.

@PeterEhik 14 жыл бұрын

One is white, that's Jacob, One's black, that's MIB

@jurghencobaj2041 5 жыл бұрын

You're having a bad month...

@maryhadfad 15 жыл бұрын

Walt isn't dark. It's not a fucking apperance thing.

@TitusVI 15 жыл бұрын

I tink Jacob plays black, because hes for the humans but the humans are bad :-)

@thepostnihilist 5 жыл бұрын

And he leads them to their deaths.

@Oogidahboogidah 14 жыл бұрын

This leads me to believe Locke was MIB in this scene at least, not the real john locke. When he speaks of ancient times he speaks as though he was there.

@americaisawesome 14 жыл бұрын

one is light one is dark locke is white walt is black

@HurleyWeezer 14 жыл бұрын

1:40 A bald man explains to some children the difference between black people and white people using a white and a black stone.

@PeterEhik 14 жыл бұрын

@Delibird13 I guess you don't have any kids, do you? I myself don't have no kids but I am the firstborn of my parents and I have 3 younger sisters, one of which I'm older than with close to 17 years so I know a lot about kids and trust me they get to this age when they ask any and every question, like once my little sister, about 7 years old at the time, asked me what a condom was, something like what is it used for? lol So kids will ask any and every question and I think that's what Walt did.

@Liberare87 14 жыл бұрын

Now it makes sense, but..well..pretty lame finale

@Uxoriouswidow 15 жыл бұрын

Who says dark = evil? Walt is 'dark', but he isn't exactly a bad guy.

@JacobHalton 14 жыл бұрын

I wonder if it's a clue too that in this scene one guy is white and the other is black.....OOOOH RACIST UNDERTONES!!!! also the older couple who was always fighting each other the husband was white and wife was black, maybe thats a clue too.....OOOOH THIS RACISM IS KILLIN ME INSIDE!!!