yeah they never explored how the fuck she survived this long

It’ll most likely be explained when we see a flashback showing us where Cooper took his daughter when the bombs dropped

She allegedly had a romance sub-plot cut from the show. The way Moldaver grabs the ghouls hand is way too romantic.

Probably the same way Cooper survived 200 years as well

Head canons. Other than that nothing much there. Go to ep 1 and see how Stephanie and Lucy intract and hold hands. Use that with no tone and out of context and there's another head canon..​@@Dylan-kr8ss

Idk about that. Hank says Moldavor was lying right when she mentions the city of shady sands being everything the vaults wanted it to be. Sure, that's arguable. But the. He proceeded to say she was lying when she said he blew the whole place up. Which is obviously not true. Even if he didn't pull the trigger himself it was his actions that resulted in the destruction of shady sands. He did mention Moldavor breaking into the cult with raiders and killing their people. But it seems like a flimsy argument to make in comparison. Especially if he wasn't the one who blew up Shay's sands. You'd think there would be more bite back

Such a shit take

I think that was fully the raiders choice to do that. Not Moldavers orders. Moldaver loved lucy’s mom

I think the moral of the story is "who you become through your actions". She wasn't always bad, most of the characters weren't. Except Lucy's dad. Everyone involved with Vault Tec has almost always been on the moral bad side. Moldaver wasn't evil, she had Shady Sands, and when Lucy's dad what she did she changed from that experience and basically vowed revenge at any cost. Lucy was just a casualty of that revenge, but she wasn't a specific target. But that's why they make such a big deal of "the golden rule" and as another saying goes, an eye for an eye makes the world blind. Edit: I am realizing this is literally just the Karma system from the games.

​@@shakenbakejake25It was not revenge that made Moldaver kidnap him...she needed a high staff of Vaul TEC for the entry code that activates cole fusion. Lucy being there or not was just luck(drama)

Did you expect to have Moldaver monologuing about her father's betrayal and what he did to her mum? She came there to grab him so she could have the code. There's no way she could make a brainwashed Lucy even begin to doubt her father. And Raiders stick around for as long as they're having fun. Which all ties nicely into the idea that the Wasteland changes you. Watch Lucy getting even worse in season 2.

He was a good das but a terrifying human being...

@@giovaniconte1860 I hope they will progress his arc as a man who struggle between loyalty to Vault tec and love for his daughter, and not a one dimensional character.

@@hedition9346 same dude, same.

​@@hedition9346I dunno, killing your wife and blowing up a whole city is pretty horrendous. They already showcased in the flashback that he loved violence in the ghouls movies ( I mean who doesn't love movie violence 😂, but they went out their way to make it a point of interest for the ghoul to say he doesn't like the way the movie is going by shooting the guy, and Hank seems to love everything about it). There's plans in place to wipe out other factions whilst they sit in their vaults...guys a dick. We don't always need everyone's backstory. This ain't lost.

@@hedition9346 lol thats funny, you can see right there he will never change, he nuked his wife and he has no regrets about it.

They weren't valuable they were mid level

lol why would that be crazy? what else were they supposed to do? get nuked by their own nukes? 😂

"Management." Not the valuable members. Those are in a different vault.

​@@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLoVault 0, right? Didn’t pan out too well for them, did it?

@@kingcamelot1395 I don't know.

Agreed. Why can't he ever play the Loving Father without some dark/evil side to his character?

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As is the case with most things you do in fallout games

I mean the larger NCR is intact, but they definitely got a swift kick in the balls. I think the stage is being set for the NCR to restore itself.

I was gonna say. The NCR only lost Shady Sands. They still have the other major settlements like The Hub, Boneyard, Vault City and New Reno, plus any of the smaller settlements like Klamath

To say it was nothing is really ignorant, FO1 and FO2 was never about preserving the existence of the NCR or making the NCR gods it was all about preserving the remains of humanity from complete extinction against the Master and Enclave who would have genocided EVERYONE. Jesus Christ why can't you whiners get the lore you complain about so much right just once?????????

No I all for nothing because bethesda are bitter losers who can only recycle the same "find your father" story again and again and spite the people who made the whole fallout universe by writing good compelling stories.

NCR believed New Vegas attacked and started a war with Mr. House or whoever controlled New Vegas at the time. BOS noticed the nuke and just watched the fight, sent in a few, and saved a kid in a fridge. NCR won or lost too much and decided to leave the area. Some NCRs stayed, while the main NCR influence pulled away. BOS took control of the region. Lucy leaves the vault to see the aftermath.

Doubt that he did it by himself. No way he has access to military arsenal unless it was backed by another Military Organisation (like Enclave)

I think you mean, his seed must have been to produce the Vault Dweller, in which produce the Chosen One and Hank's seed must also have been used to produce the courier. And to answer your question, you do realise that Hank is the ancestor of Paul Muad'Dib, the Kwisatz Haderach. lol

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With a nuke?

so basically, okie dokie.

A person’s tone and reaction makes a big difference. Moldaver is speaking calm and sensibly while Hank is just saying “she’s lying” and getting angry before confessing.

@@robrichporter4891seeing your dad act that way in response to Moldava words made it clear that he wasn’t what she thought he was

That speaks to how much sense Moldaver was making in divulging the truth, filling Lucy in on the questions she wasn't asking with being so focused on rescuing her father. The questions like how does this mass-murdering raider lady know her mother, or her father for that matter. And Shady Sands being nuked in her childhood immediately after her repressed memories? Hell of a coincidence. The monologue makes more sense to a omniscient viewer, of course, but everything clicked for Lucy. Including Hank's increasing panic yet inability to offer anything but "She's lying" before moving onto the even less convincing "She stopped being your mother when she ran away."

I like the fact that you basically ignore all clues Lucy found during her jorney, the history class in vault full with ex citizen of Shandy Shade, their worship of Moldaver. That scientist from Anklave which gave up his life just to deliver to Moldaver the cold fusion, and Lucy own childhood memory abut her mom and Shandy Shade which just poped up. So suddently all what Moldaver was telling her make perfect sense.

Indeed, only the powerful are considered truly human, everybody else is chattel

Those who give the most freedom for others are generally a better choice, like Dr. House in NV

@@amogus1337-tw7wc you realise you sound like the typical freedomTM obsessed american?

I hate such cynicism, especially when human society is objectively better now then it's ever been.

Pretty much just like companies these days. Sony and Microsoft said hello.

Everyone wants to save the world, they just disagree on how

​@@christophernewton5348kinda like the religions of the world...

I hate such cynicism.

It's a massive issue in real life too. So many people can clearly see problems, argue how it can be fixed, and often who to blame.

Morals are murky in shows beyond the 2010s. Even before actually

I never thought this was the case. More of a "Golden Rule thing" where because of HANKS actions against her and in her blindness of rage and revenge she took what he took. She became just like him, a villain who does terrible deeds to the innocent to do what they truly believe is right.

How did Modaver trick both Bud and Hank in that raid. Didn't the "management" was supposed to control all 3 vaults?

I agree, most of the vault dwellers were innocent and Moldaver threw them all to the wolves just to get to Hank. She still has feelings for Rose and yet she's willing to gamble with the lives of her own children. She's no less extreme then the Brotherhood, no less ruthless then Cooper. I'm glad someone else agrees.

Unless she betrayed vault-Tec and ran away from her vault

yeah this is like the 2nd time bethesda recycle the main story plot of fallout 3

@@blueslover21 both fallout 1 and 2 follow the same plot, "our place is suffering, go find X to save us, you find X and head back, there's new organization that is evil, you destroy that organization and get the ending" its not just bethesda that recycles plots

@@stardust9164 you're right, I stand corrected. but this is like the 2nd time that bethesda did it

@@blueslover21 interplay did the same and no one bats an eye, but when bethesda does that everyone looses their minds

It was literally nuked. Volt-Tech had its own nukes.

Not some vault-dwellers, The Original Vault-Tec Employees that started the nuclear fallout. Why is alot of people thinking that Shady sands got obliterated by a bunch of nobodies? We are seeing the face of Vault-Tec for the first time with a cohesive canon story (with a few errors but thats literally a Fallout game issue as continuity has always been vague at best and that's done delibrately) rather than a choose your own path narrative.

By Vault tec .... I mean they nuked the world, what's another city.

Yeah and you can collapse the world order in New Vegas as a mailman what's your point

probably Vault Tech and The Enclave. the shadowy figure during the corporate meeting.

yeah imagine losing everything you built in a single second just remember shady sands was what she lost thats why she turned to raiders and murdering the vault dwellers

Brainrot

Moldaver broke into a vault, tricked Lucy into having sex with an irradiated raider who almost killed her afterwards, violently killed dozens of innocent people just to get at Hank and has some sort of Maoist-like cult of personality revolving around her in vault 4. I actually dislike how it seems like the narrative in the last episode attempts to make us take her side and would be surprised if they make her out to be some sort of good guy in season 2. If they do, that would be in detriment of the quality of it IMO, she's definitely a monster who shrouds her actions under a veil of righteousness.

@@ivanribnikov2001 the show never made Moldaver seem good. In fact, it repeatedly reminded the viewer about what she did in episode 1. Like, 50x in the last episode. Just because people ignore those reminders doesn't mean they weren't given. And personally I feel like episode 1 Moldaver is inconsistent with episode 8 Moldaver, but I don't see how the show tried to make her seem like a hero. She was just another ruthless wastelander with a goal, that's all.

@@ivanribnikov2001 In a world like Fallout's, you have to be morally gray to accomplish your goals.

In my book she is a villain. She only got Hank by unleashing a pack of raiders on everyone in vault 33, whether they were Vault-Tec or not. It seems she didn't even tell them to spare Lucy or Norm, the children of the woman she cared for! I am not sorry she's dead and if her followers were anything like her, I'm glad the Brotherhood took them out.

its edited

The acting is actually top notch for a tv show

He wanted to blow it up cause it got in the way of vault tec's plans, they wanted to rebuild society

Moldaver said it herself. "That is how Vault Tec deals with competition." I'm sure that Hank was also a narcissist and going bonkers at the idea of his partner defying him by running away with the kids but in the end he was apart of the original group that nuked the entire world so his corporation could completely control it and Vault Tec probably would have tried to do the same thing at some point too

No

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@OilHutJones yep your comment definitely is

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