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@Basement-Science4 жыл бұрын
I did some measurements and reverse engineering on these myself. I've seriesed up 3 of these before as well. It works as long as you never leave them open-circuited. You probably killed them just from that. Just dont expect them to work for a long time, no matter what you do. All components in there are severely overloaded in many ways in normal use. The components are: 3x 1600V 8.2nF film capacitors (in series, overloaded from 4.8kV onward, across the output) 2x 8kV 100pF ceramic capacitors 3x diodes type "HV-T70A" 1x discharge resistor, roughly 735Mohms (across the output) The capacitors and diodes form a voltage multiplier fed by a small ferrite transformer without diodes in the transformer. The discharge resistor doesnt limit the voltage a lot, so it easily overcharges the output capacitors over the 4.8kV and they fail after a short time, usually short-circuit. Also, there are several variants of this which draw very different amounts of current at the same input voltage, so dont blindly apply a voltage to them. The sellers dont know what they are selling to you either. I would recommend setting a 3V limit and a 2A limit when you first power them, you can increase both a little depending on how much it draws. Probably dont go over 2.5 - 3 A and make sure they are always able to arc at the output, BTW, you shouldnt be paying much over 2$ for one.
@T2D.SteveArcs4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I also run 4 of these In series and they worked fine also as you said open circuit kills them i have an xray fluroscope and had a quick look with that no surprise a tx and CW multiplier nice you have the values good work m8
@nigossaurus93293 жыл бұрын
When you said don't expect them to work for a long time did you mean using them in series or using just one?
@Basement-Science3 жыл бұрын
@@nigossaurus9329 I mean in general. There are a lot of ways to kill them. For example you can also just overheat them.
@T2D.SteveArcs3 жыл бұрын
@Basement science they are massively over driven and every component under massive stress.. they are only designed to run very short duty cycles and never open circuit.. they are disposable toys really although obviously dangerous to man and machine 🤣
@Basement-Science3 жыл бұрын
@LA7YKA Norway no idea what happened to your comment, but it is not visible anymore. I couldnt read it completely.
@station2404 жыл бұрын
Given the output goes thru a voltage multiplier, perfectly sensible to connect them in parallel, as the output already has diodes to prevent backflow.
@tomgeorge37264 жыл бұрын
At 3:20, 5V supply, 2.98Amps.. At 6:25 there was something. Look very close to see the corona discharge. Rerecord this bit with the light level down. Look before this and see the wires physically move under the electrostatic force.
@joshuavincent78844 жыл бұрын
And the black clip moving at 3:26, looks like something out of a cartoon lol
@DBXLabs2 жыл бұрын
I've been watching your HV videos for a while now and they're the best out there.
@anshajkumar65424 жыл бұрын
Please make a zvs for induction metal heating or flyback from a induction cooktop! Also can it be made to run on dc. As it is quite a lot more powerful the lowest are around 1600watt
@EdwardTriesToScience3 жыл бұрын
he did it before
@TheDagger554 жыл бұрын
Good video as always my dude. Your channel is one of the few that have legit videos :D I need to turn on notifications lol
@foureyedchick4 жыл бұрын
Dear Mr Ludic: I think the reason you didn't have success with 3 units in series is a PHASING problem. When you energized just one unit, it made a buzzing/crackling sound at the spark gap between the wires. It seems it was not pure DC but some kind of pulsating DC. But if it is pure sine-wave AC, it is all the more a reason to have proper phasing, so the waves don't cancell each other. If an oscilliscope is available, pairs of inverters should be placed on the 2 traces to synchronize the waves. My gut feeling is that the output of these cheap Chinese inverters is some kind of noisy complex waveform. Maybe 3 filter capacitors to smooth out the DC, plus polarity checks on all 3 inverters to make sure you are connecting positive to negative in all series connections will create a NICE big arc with 3 inverters in series.
@yelectric1893 Жыл бұрын
Sorry, I don’t understand. What is the capacitor doing to help here?
@sargetester994 жыл бұрын
When connecting them in series, use a diode on the negative input terminal of each one, then it will work.
@PiratCarribean4 жыл бұрын
Well those units are polarized, so maybe the internals of 1 is the other way around?
@Z-Ack2 жыл бұрын
Yea ive had 2 in series for years and still works fine.. you cant power them all with a single source though.. because the voltage output from one will be shorted out internally. The way i wired it was two hooked in series with the power in going to each unit(7v +\- to one unit and +\- going to the other unit. Then you take the output leads and connect those in series how you had it.. is like how you wire a dual mot setup..
@TechsScience4 жыл бұрын
But why it don't adds the voltage in series?
@Basement-Science4 жыл бұрын
I just rewatched the video. When you seriesed them, did you determine which terminals are positive and negative? You didnt mention it. If you didnt, it wouldnt surprise me that they failed immediately. You can determine polarity with gas discharge tubes where only one end will glow, or use a resistor to load the circuit and drop the voltage, or of course with the high voltage probe.
@ludicscience4 жыл бұрын
hi yes I did check the polarity
@rajayeruva23612 жыл бұрын
@@ludicscience hey bro can we use that 10 or 12 kv to run some houshold appliances . Ur answer will help me a lot
@Jasmarkelina2 жыл бұрын
@@rajayeruva2361 it runs on d.c. but you can try?
@rajayeruva23612 жыл бұрын
@@Jasmarkelina thanks for ur reply i will look into it
@Jasmarkelina2 жыл бұрын
@@rajayeruva2361 wait my bad, that was a wrong answer. I think it might ruin some parts inside it, don't try it, it's highly dangerous
@newmonengineering3 жыл бұрын
For series to work you may need 3 different power supply. This way each of the output pairs are isolated.
@cassvirgillo33954 жыл бұрын
Hello LS, Always great content and many things of interest. A top favorite channel, clear and concise information. Thank you for all you do. All the best, C.
@nfg_racing79682 жыл бұрын
These little things are definitely worth the money last time I bought one the where a 1.50 usd
@usnva5638Ай бұрын
It looks like you have the output wired in series and the input connected in parallel. Put both sides in series.
@dalenassar91523 жыл бұрын
As you mentioned, the output of the HV modules is a high frequency DC. I bet the 'three in series' did not spark because one or two were out of phase. There is an easy way to determine the "+"and "-" HV outputs: Just connect to a capacitor bank and observe the polarity in which the banks are charged--Then mark the HV module output wire(s) with the "+" or "-" label. Have you tried this yet?
@erikas687411 ай бұрын
Add a capacitor on the output for each module. For example a 20kV 10nF capacitor. Then try connect in series. The problem is that the pulsing is not synchronized between the modules.
@ahmadmubarok92Ай бұрын
Iyah aku ingin melihat hasilnya
@igxniisan6996 Жыл бұрын
Look the output has polarities and you need to connect them in series in the right order or else the voltage will be substracted OBVIOUSLY.. so please make sure to do that and then try it.. you'll get gigantic hot arcs like i did.. i not only connected them in series but I also connect many of such series connected networks in parallel to get high voltage high current which is obviously dangerous but fun, I melted half of the wire tips because of such high current, I stopped the experiment cuz the molten metals were splashing like water everywhere with each arc
@Strikey19798 ай бұрын
You need to apply more voltage on series!
@manla83974 жыл бұрын
You can make a series circuit from this. Say when you supply 5V to a module, the out terminals will be 15k and 0V. When you connect them together, you will short 5kV with 0V from another module. Therefore you will not get 15V*3 kV. You at most is to get 15kV if you are lucky.
@tonyfremont3 жыл бұрын
In series, you need to use isolated power (batteries) for each one, you don't want to share any of the input wiring. I'm curious if the input power leads have a DC path to the output HV leads, or if both output HV wires are completely isolated from the input.
@inductivelycoupledplasma6207 Жыл бұрын
I think both are isolated but isolated poorly (especially the -ve pole)
@calebridie4136 Жыл бұрын
Whats the most volts someone has managed to feed one of these modules
@ludicscience Жыл бұрын
more than 4 volts and it will burn quickly
@coucouj27814 жыл бұрын
Why 100v for the capacitor bank? Aren’t they rated for 250v ?
@paulmaydaynight99253 жыл бұрын
look closer L, it did work as i can clearly see the spark wires move apart from the magnetic pulse, and there is a tiny glow
@jimdalton87242 жыл бұрын
For a series output I think you need to connect the input in series too.
@TheExplosiveGuy2 жыл бұрын
I wired 15 of these in parallel, it was quite dangerous lol. The tips of the electrodes erode a little bit with each spark, I suspect it would only take one to put you on the ground🤣. I also suspect it would only take one zap across the chest to _keep_ you on the ground...💀 It also shit the bed after a few minutes of use🤣. I have to tear it apart and see if one of them is shorted or if I fried the whole bunch lol.
@alexandrususnea372910 ай бұрын
Sunt pasionat de acestea montaje
@HSRMF4 жыл бұрын
that's cool ... رائع
@Physicsexperimentsdemos4 жыл бұрын
ANOTHER ONE PERFECT DEMONSTRATION. I have many ideas about physics experiments in my channel if you want to see. For example ultrasonic levitation, high voltage experiments and many many many others.
@ElIsraelJijijiji4 жыл бұрын
Are you Manuel Rodeiguez-Achach ???
@TitofBee4 жыл бұрын
frequency is missing , guys. I have noticed 8.7KHz at 5V.. i dream about the same device at 30khz...
@nowheremanjk86243 жыл бұрын
Is this voltage from this power supply dangerous?
@kimo4646 Жыл бұрын
Can pulsate using 555 timer to power electric fence?
@georgevavouras4 жыл бұрын
Haha, well done. Probably many would like to try that, but ~nobody would like to possibly waste money and wait some months to get them again.👍😂😂
@hyperhektor77333 жыл бұрын
6:43 @Ludic Science, you might be interested in the scematic, i reverse engeneered the module www.instructables.com/id/Reverse-Engineer-Resin-Encapsulated-High-Voltage-M/
@ludicscience3 жыл бұрын
thanks!!!!!!
@rajayeruva23613 жыл бұрын
@@ludicscience bro can I use this output voltage of this high voltage generator to power any appliance or not plz reply
@jayytee80622 жыл бұрын
@@rajayeruva2361 No!
@rajayeruva23612 жыл бұрын
@@jayytee8062 thanks for reply bro
@jayytee80622 жыл бұрын
@@rajayeruva2361 What you need is an inverter. Even then the output to your appliances will be limited if you use very small input voltage/Current. But I'm no expert. Maybe someone who knows more about this can weigh in.
@fernandguoguez53204 жыл бұрын
Bonjour LS , la haute tension de ces modules est polarisée .
@TitofBee4 жыл бұрын
yes for serie test, the middle one is reversed... normal if you don't have anything?..
@g-gon88694 жыл бұрын
Hey #ludicscience Can you make make more videos about experiments and projects with the same high voltage module. Please
@paulusaurelius50213 жыл бұрын
You need to make a Marx generator and put 10 of them in series at 5 volts to get a solid 120kv.
@Fumacenta2tempos4 жыл бұрын
Witch country are you from man?
@DIYwithBatteries4 жыл бұрын
Heyyy 😃👍
@krishnagamerz34384 жыл бұрын
I like you
@greasiergoon74424 жыл бұрын
Hey @Ludic Science can you do a video an all types of transistor gates? I'm asking you because I love watching your videos!
@jumbo999614 Жыл бұрын
I solder wires ( with no insulator) to extended its length. It doesn't work if the extended wire touch the floor. Why is that? I also solder more wires to it and it doesn't work. I watch this guy video and tried to the same. It doesn't work with multiple wires. -> kzfaq.info/get/bejne/griBn7uA2-DeeX0.html
@ludicscience Жыл бұрын
High voltage has a lot of leaks, everything must be insulated, current flows to ground if it touches the flooor
@jumbo999614 Жыл бұрын
@@ludicscience Thank you replying. What did he do to make it work?
@g-gon88694 жыл бұрын
I wanted to buy exactly these modules but my country boycotted everything from China
@raghavendrasharma2254 жыл бұрын
You're from India right ? Me too !
@anshajkumar65424 жыл бұрын
You can actually make one from a cfl transformer watch great Scott's video