Apple silicon with that design? i say HELL YEAH 😁😁😁

So... maybe someone can put a Mini-PC inside that beautiful case and make it functional 👀

Luke, I just bought the 2013 Mac Pro with 12 cores, 64 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD. I love the industrial art of it. It looks so good on my desk. I could not be happier. I am not a maker of videos so it works great! Wishing you all the best, Luke!

But you don’t get 1TB storage and 64GB RAM with that Mac Mini! Just saying!

💡 Try to fit the internals of a Mac Studio in there.

I have a trash can Mac that I paid 300 dollars for. I used legacy patcher to get modern OS and I love it.

It's currently my Plex server, but will eventually make it to my museum of failed Apple products, along with my Newton, G4 Cube, and FineWoven iPhone case.

Too bad Apple has forgotten this lesson. The Apple Silicon machines are all incapable of upgrades. I really don't buy their argument that storage and ram need to be soldered on. I've been an Apple fan since the Apple IIe, but design decisions like that make me wonder.

You know what's funny? I Own one of these. Once you do the open patcher and the Ram grade and the SD upgrade, it works great.

the true design successor of this thing is in my book the Mac Studio. It's sits somewhere int he middle of the ideas of the trascan and the G4 Cube

The one thing this video missed was RAM. For things like samplers in audio recording, having 64 GB of RAM is good, and having 8-16 Gb RAM in an M1 Mac Mini is simply nowhere near the neighborhood of enough.

It is the “Mac Studio” before Apple silicon! A huge difference is that we compare the Studio with Mac Minis instead of Mac Pros

I'm a developer and I have a base M1 Mac mini, and a 128GB/1TB SSD Trashcan (which cost half as much). I set up a home lab on a budget. The M1 is fast for compilation, but won't run a decent size Kubernetes cluster. The whopping memory on the trashcan is great for Kubernetes and means that the slower CPU/graphics/SSD doesn't matter. Basically, I wouldn't be without either. Each is the correct tool for a particular job.

The one place where it still has the lead is multi-monitor support. I think you can hook up like 6 displays to the Mac Pro. It may not be a “pro” computer anymore but for normal browser type things it works great!

They should definitely go back to this design. In 11~ years I'm sure they would've learnt how to keep it compact yet upgradeable

Here's a great idea for you Luke; how about retrofitting your old Mac Pro trash can with the components from an M1 Mac Mini ... the best of both?

The trashcan Mac Pro's interior looks like hardware from an alien civilisation.

4:14 OK I have to comment before I forget. That transparent cutaway overlay shot was top-tier.

Still rocking the 2012 Pro here with 64gb RAM, multiple 4TB drives/SSD, and dual processors.

Now that these are cheap, I'm going to buy one as a shelf piece. Might just use it to run my Plex server while I'm at it.

I have a 2013 Mac Pro that's maxed out... but it's not running MacOS. It's running ProxMox and is my "lab" machine and running all of my server workloads. For this use case it's fantastic - in part because it doesn't make any noise and has to live in my home office. I love it - it's attractive, silent, and (for this specific use) incredibly powerful. The interesting irony: my desktop machine is a Studio M2 Ultra. This machine proves that Apple wasn't wrong, they were just a decade early. Everyone makes fun of the Apple Silicon Mac Pro "why not just buy a Studio?" The studio, like the old trashcan, can't be expanded except outside the box using Thunderbolt, but unlike the Mac Pro, can't be upgraded at all... yet everyone loves it (myself included.) I would argue the trashcan was better looking than the studio, too.

The trashcan Mac Pro is essentially G4 Cube 2: Electric Boogaloo.

This would be handy for running an older 32-bit compatible OS for longtime creatives, just for opening up older projects. I have Terabytes of 3D & AE projects from that era and before that are currently inaccessible.

Sorry Luke, couldn't disagree more with you on this one. Doing video, not perfect, was perfect at the time. But it's still a photoshop workhorse, and it gave me 8 years or work before I retired it to a file server, which it still operates as, encoding non-essential video in the background while I do other things on Apple Silicon. For the price now, it can't be beaten. In fact, I just bought a newer 2019 model machine four weeks ago, for $300, just to get the D700's that I wanted for my 2013 machine, but decided to leave them in the 2019 computer. I now have two, one maxed 12-core, and one maxed 8-core. The new machine also came with a monitor, keyboard AND a mouse. Considering that just to buy the D700's was $400, I got everything and more. This little trash can NEVER gave me any problems, EVER, and was a solid working investment that paid for itself a thousand times over. It cost me over $5500 to purchase and probably grossed me over $1M in its lifetime, so I'd say it was worth the investment. I would typically burn out the CPU in five years. Sometimes it's not just about the numbers, but about the dollars. Is it perfect, NO. Was it great in my case, absolutely!! Would I buy one now? Well, I just did. And as a media server, I think it will be great. As a backup computer in the event that Apple Silicon will have a problem, I know it will get the job done, but just be a lot slower. LOL.

I have one and I love mine, runs fine, I have it do all my backups, run my Plex Server, use it for light gaming (there's a few games I play that use dual GPU) using bootcamp with a decent SSD it's very useable even now. I think I paid around £200 for it a year or so ago. Plus the design is just really aesthetically pleasing and when anyone sees it they can't seem to figure out what it is

I really liked the look of the mac

My old Mac Pro tower running Sanoma is just a workhorse. Someday I'll graduate to a Mac Mini.

You are overlooking one very very useful function for these. Multi core CPU workloads. I use some tools where they are clock speed limited but get huge speed increases from having up to 12 cores. A 12 core unit on eBay with 1tb ssd and 32 gigs of ram can be bought for $300, way cheaper than even a 12 core CPU can for a modern PC. I run windows on mine compiling light maps for older games and it rips through themes such a great machine I may buy a second.

I have two I have salvaged from my workplace as I cannot stand the thought of them being disposed of as they are a beauty to behold. I have considered removing the innards and turning them into lamps! Hoping to see your Mac Pro glowing in the background on your shelf soon.

I sold my trash can while it still had good enough resell value. A year later I missed it so much because I like the look, bought a shell off eBay and it's the prop. I somehow still want the Mac Studio to be in this kind of form factor with front ports.

Hey man, I love to see how the production of the show has grown over time. You've stayed true to your formula and your show has done better as a result. Keep doing what you're doing bro

I keep one around as a Plex Server. One thing it has over the Apple Silicon Mac mini is that it has Error Correcting RAM, and the Xeon is a server processor, so it supposedly is designed to be a server or 24/7 machine. But then Apple Silicon Macs aren't exactly the most unreliable machines ever for leaving on 24/7 either.

Back in 2016, KZfaq Space LA had these in their private edit suites. They also had RED Cameras that could shoot 6K, which was pretty radical at that time. We shot a video with one of those REDs in 6K and that trashcan Mac Pro was the *only* thing that could handle that footage in FCPX. And it ripped through 4K footage like butter. I know everything you're saying is true (and I own an M3 MacBook Pro Max 16"), but nothing has compared to the sheer power I experienced with the 2013 Mac Pro back in 2016 with that RED footage. It's forever ingrained in my head. (So much so, that I was considering picking up one of these old Mac Pros on eBay)

Hello, I still use mine till this day and I love it. Great review.

A good video, I must admit I was surprised you had a second look at that device, I think I might have found the perfect use for these old Macs here in the UK, you see in our schools we use Windows OS not Mac OS, so install boot camp you can turn an old Mac into a great windows computer, replace the spinners with SSD and pop Microsoft Office on them and they are good to go, try putting windows on one using boot camp and bench mark it with a modern windows computer and see the difference, also all those lovely 27" 5k iMac can find a use in schools, I would love to see that.

Honestly you can get a maxed out 5k iMac from 2015, then you have quick sync, you can have a SATA hdd or SSD *and* an m.2 ssd, faster gpu, draw less power, and get a killer display, and still upgrade to 64gb of ram. It better in almost every way!

Let's just shove into it an M3 Pro board and really make it shine

Your trashcan 2013 Mac Pro videos are great. Almost like a series at this point! I think it's pretty clear, from your previous videos, that these are not great personal computers. But how about exploring the data center side of things, since the hardware is workstation class? Maybe these machines are actually better at running web servers or services with the 128gb ram and 12/24 cpus and double ethernet ports than the modern Macs?

From the time I used it, Jan 2013 till Jan 2020, the infamous Mac Pro 2013 never let me down, and I managed to sell it for a decent price after 7 years! Sure, the M1 Max MacBook now effortlessly outshines it. But that old trusty trashcan really earned its keep, flawlessly handling all those wedding shoots with finesse. While looking like a piece of art in my space, looked much better than my Macbook on a stand.

I have the trashcan allmost all maxed out 64gb ram 1TB storage, using it everyday for photo editing. My favor machine. Just love the design on it. Using legacy patcher and latest Os. Works like a charm.

i used one of these as my main machine for years. it was rock solid and i had no problems what soever with it.

I just love it, the design, the performance and fit in small places. Perfect for me!

I always thought it was cool and forward looking in terms of not needing the internal slots, at least for most users. But that design theory needed, as you said, USB C to really work. I was excited to use one for multiple projectors for theatre projections but the fact that each pair of ports are shared limits how many you can actually connect. I plan to get one to put on display here in the studio, but don't have a use for one.

I was the senior (and only full-time) editor at a production company and facility. Over the years, my edit system went from a PowerMac G5, to a Mac Pro 1,1, to a Mac Pro 4,1, to a trashcan Mac Pro. These were mirrored in our two edit rooms. Each time we got new machines, workflow got faster. But the spaghetti monster that stuck out of the back of the machine was not pretty. And we only upgraded one edit room to have a 5-drive DroBo for my editing. At home, I still use a Pixlas-modded, OCLP-patched, Vega56, beefed up monster. Eventually, it will have to be retired for a new Mac Studio. No complaints either way. It's an enjoyable ride.

I do enjoy looking at my 2013 Mac Pro. Looking at it is about as much as I enjoy it. Yes it's painfully slow for doing any kind of work now a days. Which is sad because it is gorgeous. Like a rose it has many thorns. We can enjoy it from far but not holding it closely. Good video Luke.

video idea: make a m1 trashcan :P 3d print a back panel, try to use center triangle heatsink and cover with exterior enclosure. sleeper mac in a mac

I feel ever since Apple started making their hardware non upgradable, Luke is running out of content. I like this type of video. It’s why I subscribed!

Would really enjoy seeing a mod project to change the internals into Apple Silicon. Still love the M1 Mac Wii project. Luke, can we see this build?

There is one thing they are good for, making KZfaq Videos explaining why they are such a bad deal or how to upgrade them so they can still limp along or how to recycle them in a responsible manner.

Try to use opencore legacy patcher

When this was released i had a Dual quadcore Mac Pro that I loved, and I still remember that day, when Apple abandoned the mac. What we defined as a Mac back then is just a memory today 😢

It's weird how Apple go from a incredibly popular cheese grater workstation to a trash can design that no one adopted. And the wait for this failure to be replaced with something worthwhile seemed like an eternity

Actually the PowerMac G4 Cube was the most innovative design in Apple's history IMHO. It was the FIRST fanless PowerMac G4.

Good video. I feel like the 2013 Mac Pro could have been something way better if a proper dock was made for it then it could have worked but Thunderbolt 2 didn't take off. The big problem is that the M1 Mac and newer versions you must have an internet connection just to install an OS.

I went back to finish my degree in 2012, by 2014 the university upgraded to this Mac Pros for its communication major classes. I ended up working with them after I graduated and until I left in November 2021, almost all of those Mac Pros were still going strong. I would not be surprised if they are still using them to this day.

I remember when they announced this… it was so cool-looking, and I was already hittin the wall with my Mac Pro Cheesegrater. I was ready to call my bank to get paperwork moving for a loan… and then the user reviews started showing up on youtube. I instead got a locally-sourced modded 2010 Cheesegrater that could run 10,11 and (barely) managed to hold on until M1 Studio. I've got a saved search on eBay for the Trashcan-but I just want it for my backgrounds when I'm filming studio videos😂. Great vid. Thanks!

I picked up one of these on eBay about four years ago. I upgraded it to the max, and had a lot of fun with it despite its limitations. However, as soon as the M chips released I saw the writing on the wall and sold the trash, purchased an M1 mini, and haven't looked back since.

Here in Australia - These are NOT cheap. People are asking between $700-1200 AUD.

I loved that computer, it was perfect ratio of power size weight and price to bring around during my live shows. It was also the first time I didn’t feel limited by the computer.

The "last forever" point was the death of Apple upgradeability. There's money to be made selling new expensive gear.

Man, regarding the sponsor… I’m so torn. It’s a good idea, but charging me money or even a subscription to delete data from brokers that are already making money off my data that they’ve sourced for free, just feels like extortion. Why am I not seeing any money from my own data, data is now the most valuable commodity on the planet, yet people give it away for free everyday. I get that there is a give and take in accessing free services in exchange for your data, but the whole concept of paying an intermediary money to get companies to remove my own data just feels really wrong. 😅

I think they should have upgraded the Tower Mac Pro (made it black with better looking vents or something) and put thunderbolt and SSDs on it! Professionals at the time were only asking for SSDs and thunderbolt like the other Macs. The Trash Can not only had limited cooling, but the CPU they used was 8 months away from being obsolete by X99. I think it should have been offered as an alternative lower down the product line.

I bought one at the beginning of the year on a whim for a seriously low amount of money. I spent more low amounts of money on the 12 core Xeon and 128gb RAM. Spent a bit more on a 2tb ssd and some thunderbolt 2 drive enclosures. I now run it as a hyper visor with various VMs on it and it’s stinking. You can’t go faster for £150!

11:40 Amen, Apple now has awesome performance per watt, meaning thermals are now a trivial issue; and hates upgradability more than ever. Might as well give us something that isnt a boring grey flat box.

About a month or two ago, I had the idea of putting a Mac mini's logic board inside the Mac Pro and I started researching on how hard can it be. I abandoned the idea after I realised I don't have the time nor the expertise necessary to do so. If I remember my research correctly, Mac mini's logic board barely fits in the Mac Pro and while possible, it would be quite hard.

I bought one for around $500 + shipping from eBay a few months ago and it was maxed out already. Dual GPUs, 12-core 24 thread XEON, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVME. I use it as my 3rd machine mostly because it is compact and quiet for general use. My daily driver is a 4GHz Ryzen 9, 64GB RAM, dual 1TB NVME, 16GB RTX. I am a PC person, so the trashcan Pro runs triple boot with W10, Ubuntu and patched Ventura. Sure, its not the fastest machine out there for its age, but at such price it is not bad IF you want native X86 hardware and not virtual machines via Apple silicon or MAC OS specific apps. I see no reason to have an Apple silicon MAC (yet) since all my apps run on PC and I don't use MAC specific apps like FinalCut Pro. I will probably get a used M2 Mac when they become cheaper. Used Macs are better value than new ones. Crazy, but true. A trashcan pro is not bad for those who want to use all 3 major operating systems for app testing, dev or web design. For such use it is fast enough. It doesn't give you the feel of a decade-old slow machine. I'd say if you find a good deal for a maxed out model under $400, and you don't "need" apple silicon, go for it but don't expect to do anything demanding besides general desktop use. I have a huge collection of over 100 computers, so for me it was just a matter of adding yet another quirky computer in my Apple lineup, not for something to use all the time.

“It’s too expensive for what it was.” The description applies to every single Apple product. (Former Newton 2000 user FWIW.)

First let me say Luke, I love this video. Why? Because, three months after Apple's introduction of the M-1 "Mac Studio", I picked-up, just to hold me until the year 2025, a used space gray "trash can" size Mac Pro 8-core/D-700/64GB/1TB SSD for around $1,000. This unit was an upgrade from my 2010, "mac mini" (the last model with a built-in DVD super-drive). Also, my already owned 2010, Apple 27-inch LED Cinema (none thunderbolt) with mini display port cable connects directly into the Mac Pro Thunderbolt-2 ports, of this model. Next year, my goal is to replace this system with a M-2 "mac mini" pro model and, pair it with an Apple 32-inch 6K XDR monitor (smile...smile).

The problem with these old Intel Mac Pros is that they use so much energy. If you work it out it quickly becomes apparent that upgrading to Apple Silicone is essentially self-funding just in saved energy costs. I wish Apple would sell replacement Apple Silicone logic boards so we can keep these classic Macs going. I'd love to put an M1 in my G4 Cube.

They tried to create the Mac Studio 10 years ago, but tech wasn't there yet

Just bought one of those refurbished for 200 bucks. It's perfect and I have nothing to complain about. Really happy with my purchase and I intend to keep upgrading it.

I use a trash can Mac as a second computer for work. It has an upgraded 12 core CPU 32GB ram and a modern SSD running MacOS Sonoma and it runs absolutely fine with no issues at all. I only paid £120 for it and it’s just fine for what I use it for :)

Luke is right to compare the M1 Mac mini to the Mac Studio Xeon - the fluidity of multitasking in it was better than all my desktop iMacs that had Intel (except the iMac Pro), but the first M1 desktop finally beat it.

one side: apple silicon - the other two sides: full of m2 nvme slots and there you have it - upgradeable macpro

There were two of these where I worked and neither functioned correctly and were eventually replaced by iMacs. They were mainly used with Premiere Pro for editing and DaVinci Resolve for color grading. Both applications suffered from rendering issues, DV Resolve would have random green frames or random lines on the rendered images. Premiere Pro had similar issues but at least PP could be set to software render and disable GPU acceleration, but the only way to get DV Resolve to work was to lower the render FPS speed to it's lowest setting to prevent the GPU overheating and leave to export overnight. There was even an app installed to manually control the speed of the fan to try and prevent the overheating issue but it wasn't that successful. If I remember correctly one of them had it's GPU replaced but it didn't fix the issue.

The trashcan Mac Pro falls into the same category as the PowerMac G4 Cube - Amazing visual design, you just want to love it, and it looks AWESOME on any desk, but it's just painfully difficult to justify the finances. The difference was, during the G4 Cube era, Apple kept selling the conventional PowerMac G4; whereas the Trashcan Mac Pro replaced the conventional Mac Pro. The design of these two products is actually as iconic as the G4 iMac; except the G4 iMac also made sense financially.

If a cheap one came up, I think I may actually get one to put next to the TV because it looks cool AF and it'd be fine for just streaming stuff. Also typing anything in using the remote is a total pain in the bum so that'd be worth the money!

I use one as a Proxmox and has been super reliable as a Linux based server. I used to run VMware ESXI on it and it was solid. 12 cores. ECC RAM. Dual network interfaces. Nice for a home lab server.

I bought a used one a few months back... 8 core, 1 Tb, 64 GBs... and it was a great deal. I don't make videos and don't need super performance. I am really happy with it. Sure I could have gotten a Mac mini, but the design just does it for me.

I have one that I use every day. Most of my daily working computing involves using remote desktop to multiple machines that I am managing. I have a 6 screen array that allows me to keep tabs on a half dozen machine at time. Previously I had been using 3 computers each lighting up two monitors. With the Trash Can and some active MDP to HDMI cables I can do all of the screens with a single machine. I get to remove two keyboards and mice from my desk for a couple of hundred bucks. Bonus, my office is nice and toasty all winter. Not as warm as my G5 used to keep the place, but nice enough! That said if I were to build this workflow from scratch I think a couple of 50" 4K TVs and a silicon Mac mini would be the way to go.

Trashcan lacks of upgradability? I dont think so. Just a year ago i purchased one second hand and maxed it out with an Intel Xeon 12 core cpu. 64GB RAM and 1TB SSD. That is more than what youd expect on a 2013 computer and all that didnt cost more than 1K Euros. I think this is an amazing machine for Mac users.

I'd really appreciate it if they'd bring back the old ball-and-socket-jointed iMac design. It's literally the coolest looking computer of all time.

Agree with the logic - Thankfully my trashcan's GPU died forcing me to upgrade to an M1 iMac - literally a real downsize/upgrade...

“Might as well have fun with the design . . .” I’m afraid Jony Ive took that with him

I ran an eBay search for a great price on a trash can Mac for over 4 years, and never got the price I wanted. I cancelled that search and bought an M1 MacBook Air as soon as they announced the M series chips. I still have 3 cheese grater Mac’s at home. Very pumped up. But I mostly use them as DLNA servers now. I do run some legacy software on my 12 core.

Luke I get that Apple silicon is great but there are work loads where the 8-16gb will not even be close to enough RAM, creating a bottleneck which negates the CPU power benefits! So depending on your use case I think it's still better than the Mac Mini

Got a Mac Pro 6,1 in June 2023. Use it daily mainly for web browsing, word, KiCAD etc. It does the job like my MacBook Pro, I don't really notice any difference to be honest. How many people are using their Macs to render videos anyways. But with M1's being cheap now, you are right that the Mac Pro 6,1 being over 10 years old is a hard sell. The only pros are the design, and SSD/RAM upgradability. *64GB RAM upgrade is a must*

I have one, it came with the A700 GPUs, the 12 core CPU, and 64 GB ram from the factory and the serial number indicates it was build in Q2 2019. I paid around $300 for it a few months back, but someone who originally bought it must have paid around $10k and then probably never used it. Anyway I get a little over 7000 in Cinebench R23 running in Monteray. It runs Windows 11 pretty well but when gaming it uses 250 watts, so I don't use it either and it just sits. I have a M1 Mini 16/512 which gets around 6800ish in Cinebench R23 so my trashcan just slightly beats it.

Another great video, Luke! and I completely agree with you. I love these video's when you alert me that the failed Mac's of the past all a sudden become hidden gems because the prices start to drop to next to nothing and some change. I always was a MacBook user (too annoyed with all those cables of my LC back in the days) but I can always connect an almost free desktop to my tv.

I've got the 2013 Mac Pro maxed out on everything with an after market 2TB SSD...still runs great although it's running Monterrey. At some point I plan on putting Mint on it and using it as a Plex server for media. It's still a great looking piece of nostalgia that I won't get rid of.

Still iconic design, a lot of us wanted to replicate, we never get cylinder cases for computers, all of them are square or rectangular. Also ThunderB2 was incredible for the era. Sadly we skipped from it to USB C. Also thermals suck in this mac, hope we could get a Hackintosh or a M Series in this cylinder shape or as the Mac Cube, now that those iconic designs are possible with ARM.

Fun fact is that a lot of these are still pretty expensive. Here in the Netherlands this thing will send you back almost 400 bucks. Insane.

I used one for nine years and made some incredible videos on that sucker, I made a pretty good living with it, really liked it. But now I've got a MacBook Pro M1 and it's so blazing fast. I can't even imagine how I survived with that trashcan. Still got it though, it looks great

My first generation G5 cheese grater is still working. It is now just a word processor [running Claris] with about 75,000 documents in the files. But knowing it’s age I just got a M3 iMac running pages and do all work in Pages. If I really need need a document to be sent over to the new platform, I print it from the G5, scam it into Pages. Love them both.

The 2013 model Mac Pro was the pinnacle of the time period when Apple lost its way and was more focused on design aesthetics versus utility ... **Seeing products as "works of art" more than "works of work"** ... Apple has always been a leader in beauty and grace of its technology offerings, but losing the basic utility and function is the death of a product, and the 2013 Mac Pro was the poster child of such an outcome.

8:14 one scenario where this would be a very good buy is something like when you need a Windows machine with a lot of RAM but you also need from time to time a very stable MacOS machine (yes you can do hackintosh but it's not the same). 500$ for a machine with 64 GB ram 1TB ssd which can run MacOS and W10 (not on a VM) I would say this is a good deal. Of course there are very few people who find themselfs in this situation and need this setup but I think this is still a relevant machine.

Quite frankly, I find that the trash can Mac Pro is a great bridge system for me. I've recently upgraded to Mac OS Monterey and will continue to use it for at least another year or two before moving to a Mac Studio, since the amount of computer that I need will cost me 3 grand right now. I'm better off waiting and getting one used two years from now and letting someone else take the depreciation on it. While I don't agree with you on everything Luke, I appreciate your perspective. Cheers!

Luke, I know you mean well, but with all due respect, you're looking at this machine with your video editor's blinkers on. Like many others, I'm a different kind of content creator: I work with InDesign, Illustrator, Photoshop and Sigil (the latter for eBook formatting), creating files destined for print and/or digital media of the static kind. Not wishing to jump on Adobe’s rent-your-software wagon, I run their older Creative Suite (CS5.5) in a Mojave virtual machine on a 2015 i7 iMac - something I couldn't do on Apple Silicon. The iMac itself runs Sonoma, thanks to OpenCore Legacy Patcher. As the iMac's display is starting to suffer from encroaching edge bleed, the idea of another Intel machine with a larger number of cores is quite appealing, and I'm seriously eyeing the 2013 Mac Pros on eBay. And yes, I have a 4K 27-inch monitor to hook up to it. One of those Thunderbolt 2 ports would be connected to my Thunderbolt 3 dock via an Apple Thunderbolt 2 to 3 converter, as is the iMac currently (the dock contains a 2TB SSD). Having said all that, I'd love to see how a maxed-out Trash Can handled my kind of work. I suspect more than adequately.

ALMOST purchased one planning to fully upgrade and use as a music workstation. Opted for a $289 2018 Mac mini i5. Should be MUCH more powerful. But I do shed a single tear for the trashcan.

I think buying a Trashcan Mac Pro (TMP) is like the guy that collects stamps or coins. Nobody uses them but they're cool to have because of the design. I have the same the feeling about the TMP. It's really cool to have and rebuild ONCE. It's great to have as a hobby and put it on your shelf alongside your classic beige Macintosh . The TMP can be a really cool machine for everyday tasks, like web surfing, watching YT videos and email.