To be fair I’ve hated 180s since I played on console before I made the jump to PC lol

It's bad on console too if you are HC player. Hcs go up and to the side essentially giving you vision of the enemy this one goes up and towards you and it hides the enemy. I got used to it and can perform but i instantly do better with adaptives.

@@fotis3v480 for me, it always throws off my aim. When I first started destiny it isn't a problem, but as I got better in crucible, the lack of a reticule throws off my precision aiming bad enough considering the bouncy recoil of HC that I am often whiffing my shots. If I need to bring a hand cannon into PvP, it must either be a precision frame, or has very high stability like the Kept Confidence with invisible hand

@@HibiscusOrchid hell before stability affected flinch resustance, I intentionally kept my 110/120 hc's as low stability as possible so I could whip it off and back onto target. Now I shoot for ~35 stability on them to balance between flinch and bounce.

So cringe. As a ex-console player, this is extreme cringe

Does slide shot?

@@Palayedeuhm watch Cool Guys Luna's breakdown for a lot more detail.

⁠@@Palayedeuhmall the non-dodge methods will work. Subsistence, slideshot, discord, holster mods, and transversive steps.

@@DrGaryOak thanks

Oooh so it's Legendary Hawkmoon but Different!

@MXG2809yeah precision instrument is really like an actually balanced og mag howl

Yeah, but at least it's still there. Just behind a reload now, and one x1 howl round. They just nerfed forgiveness with the recent pvp sandbox change so the old perk had no place in pvp anymore.

Yep but Bungie won't let 180s shine so. Gotta make them all 140s 🙄

This also happens with Sidearms; Helocentric and other flat-topped sidearms with suppressors also have this issue badly.

Same

Still looking for HC/Incandescent myself, last roll I want.

See how it feels. Xd that thing is probably super stable when in range

@@thenexus7343 it is, and I get 49 AE out of it, but only amounts to 47 range sadly

I managed to get a potential god roll with encore/PI just before. Hammer forged, ricochet, range MW. 66 range, 67 stability. I’m about to test it out

Zen moment doesn’t actually give any stability, it simply reduces the visual reticle bounce as well as giving anti-flinch

@@warv6552 thank you

So far what is that pvp roll?

@@justsomeguy2142 There are a couple that are useable, but by far the best imo is Zen/Explosive with a barrel giving range and any decent mag. It feel fantastic and 3 taps at a good range.

Still has the 180 recoil. You'll never get used to it

@@HarlequinJitsuI beg to differ

Its a you problem. And I dont mean that as an insult. Just use it you know?

​@@HarlequinJitsuhonestly feels way better than your typical 180 with mnk

​@@HarlequinJitsu You do get used to it.

Yeah I’m going to search for a heal clip and precision instrument for my blinklock, I prefer consistency in my weapons for trials over high burst damage

Goes up to 36m 3 taps with hammer forged i think.

@@fotis3v480 Yeah its some where around there for 3 taps... If you have Full Bore, Ricochet Rounds, Encore and Precision Instrument with a Range Master Work you will have no problem hitting 36m 3 taps... Fun Fact with this exact roll i just called out you get 71 Range on Luna's this means your matching Not Forgotten's range it to has 71 range.

As an M&K player I vouch for Cammy. A regular 140 kicks back and gives you full visibility of your targets movement. Luna's frame covers your target completely between shots, which blinds you for a significant amount of time. It makes the difference when playing tryhards who duck, bob and weave as hard as they can, especially ones with SMGs. Cam even showed the footage making a direct comparison on visibility. You're either ignorant or blind. He does say that a controller doesn't care for the blindness because of the free reticle friction drag it gets with a little down tension. But on M&K its a genuine blind spot and a liability every, single, time you fire this thing. That's why the gameplay footage in Iron Banner was on controller. If you aren't using Luna for its natural 45 AE, then you're better off with a different handcannon on M&K.

@@ShaoShaoMienshao I play MnK and put 350 kills on my lunas already without even noticing this problem. It feels to me that people are looking for an issue where there isn't any.

@@ShaoShaoMienshao Great answer. too bad reason obv doesn't work with this person lol

@@resentfusion5634 Oh yes the old "my view is completely different from this person let's make fun om him instead for thinking different". Very ignorant and childish of you. I don't agree with Cam and the above commenter. I even went into Iron Banner yesterday for 5 hours with the sole purpose of identifying what you are experiencing and I could not find it. People need to stop hitting walls and making up their mind about recoil patterns. Play the game and find out yourself. You might even make up your own mind instead of someone having to tell you what to feel.

Slide also reloads some bullets, which lets you activate Mag Howl more

@@jonahbrown5669 You just can use holster for this if needed to gather stacks. I decide to not gather howl stacks and use it straight away.

It's kill activated though. I'd much prefer consistency perks that are consistently up 24/7 passively.

@@jonahbrown5669 If needed to stack howl you can use holster. I decided to not stack them and use it straight away

@@seb5542 Yeah it's can be downside of this perk, but it lasts for 7 sec and give you bunch of range, stability and reduce accuracy cone, so in next fight you will have advantage.

It’s really not that bad, no offence but it’s a skill issue, I beat a player who was crouch strafing and had a rose with 14000 kills, lunas is a great gun and the recoil animation has a high skill ceiling.

@@mini_6-50 I would barely consider it a skill ceiling if its just a detriment to the gun

@@evanschneider47 it’s only a detriment if you haven’t learnt it, hence the skill ceiling, the recoil feels like a positive once you use it enough

@@mini_6-50 yea I guess cammy also needs to git gud then

@@evanschneider47 you definitely do