The Brave Luna's Howl vs Not Forgotten vs Zaouli's Bane vs The World (FULL REVIEW)

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22 күн бұрын

Lot's to talk about in this video. I giev a full review of the returning Luna's Howl and a lot of it is showing you how to get magnificent howl going. I have recommended god rolls for PvE and PvP. I talk about where the floor and ceiling is in PvP and compare that to not forgotten. PvE wise, I give my thoughts on where it stands "vs" Zaouli's Bane. It's a great one and will be used going forward and a lot of that is due to the frame itself.
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@CoolGuyGames 20 күн бұрын

Thank you for watching! I do wonder if they will add other 140 precision later on.

@ZeeSips 20 күн бұрын

I presume they'll add Not Forgotten with maybe higher base range, and perks that emphasize range more whenever they refresh Onslaught next year?

@christophercarlson3183 20 күн бұрын

I hope this sets a precedent for more 140 Precision Frame HCs, aside from just Luna's and Not Forgotten. The 140 RPM class of HC has always felt like what I would expect of a "precision" weapon, powerful when used, but punishing if used improperly. So I hope Bungie takes this feedback and runs with it.

@dankerbell 20 күн бұрын

@@ZeeSipsthey said if they bring it back they want the focus to be on not forgotten alone as a special reward so it probably wouldn't be part of a refresh alongside other weapons

@sjf40k 20 күн бұрын

In B4 comp crucible reward like rose.

@simon69c 20 күн бұрын

Yeah I did have a bit of a play with Subsistence-MagHowl in PvE but found it was basically a whole lot of effort to get (very) slightly more damage than my old igneous with Subsistence-Rampagex3 and it was too easy to end up losing them and having to go through it all over again. More interested in going for the Subsistence-Incandescent for PvE personally to avoid ever having to reload (much like the igneous).

@Lex_501BZ 20 күн бұрын

Drank my coffee. Got to work no traffic. New Coolguy review comes out. Today is really starting out as a good day.

@sciji3118 20 күн бұрын

I read that shit over the ice cube beat and all too! Gg!

@chysero8636 20 күн бұрын

Bro has no enemies

@AlexCamejo01 20 күн бұрын

Exactly

@rippinricky 20 күн бұрын

With 69 likes at moment. Nice!

@helios9296 20 күн бұрын

@@chysero8636 you got me with that one 😂😂😂

@GeremyG 20 күн бұрын

My first drop was a shiny Heal Clip + Incandescent roll. Absolutely loving it on Precious Scars Solar Titan.

@MrDrapichrust 20 күн бұрын

I feel like subsistance would be better with that. You are getting tons of healing anyway with PS, with subsistance against easier enemies you are able to never reload (each kill refunds 2 ammo).

@HerrSchemmey 20 күн бұрын

@@MrDrapichrusteven with previous scars giving resto, heal clip let's you play more aggressively. I prefer it for my play style

@owenhandrich1176 20 күн бұрын

@@MrDrapichrustthere is no such thing as too much healing lol

@kes_poco 20 күн бұрын

@@HerrSchemmey Heal clip with a 2.5sec reload just feels strange to me, especially since the ammo is at the end of the animation so you can't even reload early. It's nice to have a pocket heal but I'm stunning myself for 2 seconds each time.

@dankerbell 20 күн бұрын

@@MrDrapichrustsubsistence falls off in harder content where it takes too many bullets to kill that you don't get back from it proccing

@morganagod 20 күн бұрын

This is one of those reviews that reminds me why I follow you. I clocked how MagHowl worked in the crucible, how utterly mediocre it was in PVE even with Lucky Pants, and how great the heal clip/incandescent roll is for PVE before I saw this review. That sets a precedent for accuracy. So when I hear explanations for stuff that I didn't see right away, I know I can trust that info. I'm now looking forward to finding a 71 range Precision Instrument/Encore Luna's Howl thanks to you. Back to the grind!

@gommyboi380 20 күн бұрын

Not having epochal integration in the title is CRIMINAL. It has double accuracy perks and it feels very, very good (although i will say lunas feels much better in the air)

@ShadowSlayr22 20 күн бұрын

Luna’s feels better cuz it has over triple the AE if you put on an Icarus mod lmao EI: 18 Luna’s: base 45, Icarus 60

@gommyboi380 20 күн бұрын

@@ShadowSlayr22 honestly keep away has changed the way i look at handcannon rolls. It makes me un-afraid to fire in the air or hipfire

@gommyboi380 20 күн бұрын

Unfortunately there are like 4 handcannons with keep away

@stardragonnova5046 20 күн бұрын

I adore epochal. It's my main hc since I run solar like 80% of the time so it works for me in both pve and pvp. However, in pvp, Epochal lacks something that Luna's has in spades: lethality. EI is built for consistency; just existing in your optimal range gives stat bumps and when EotS triggers, you get even more accurate. Luna has the ability to get bonuses to accuracy *and* damage with one being one the the highest damage bonuses in the game (only other perk that can give a 50% damage bonus is golden tricorn). They both have their place and they both feel phenomenal, it's just a matter of what you're looking for. Plus Epochal is static, the roll being compared is a bit iffy when Luna and Zaoili both have a bigger pool of options.

@CalebDavislfcandfcb 20 күн бұрын

I really don't see epochal getting enough love. As a hand cannon lover, I just hit 16,000 kills on my epochal. This season it is so disgusting and I love it. Stats for all works so well with it and it feels so crispy.

@ForeverLaxx 20 күн бұрын

The visual recoil of its original frame is what sells it for me. 140s tend to be in this awkward spot of too much visual recoil and *just* enough RoF to throw your aim off if you're firing at full speed. The gun visually settling faster helps a ton with hitting those chained precision hits.

@stygian9381 2 күн бұрын

In my experience it’s the opposite, it’s quite difficult to see the target when you aren’t pacing every shot.

@andrew182matches 20 күн бұрын

As you mentioned, using magnificent howl with even the one stack as a "kill clip on demand" has been incredibly nice in PvP. I learned the hard way that trying to get greedy with stacks was too high risk. Aiming for two or three is the sweet spot for me, or even the one, and you're still racking up kills. The ease of use is fantastic, so I highly recommend to anyone that hasn't gotten into HCs before.

@connorboyle3027 20 күн бұрын

For me 3 mag howl shots is the sweet spot allows for back to back 2 taps and its a lot easier to stack 3 mag howl shots than going for 5/6/7. And even just having 1 stack is incredibly useful for my next gun fight allowing me to 3 tap out past 40m. I love mag howl in 6s and even clash comp but in Trials or other round based modes I'll stick with Thorn/Hawkmoon/Iggy.

@OSTATEboi419 20 күн бұрын

I guarantee once the final shape drops we're gonna see a whole lot of Not Forgotten's. To be better than NF, you literally have to get a 5/5 Lunas Howl and most people aren't gonna be that lucky. I saved up over 500 brave trophies and didn't even get a good Lunas, let alone the god roll.

@Kumari_44 20 күн бұрын

Guns pretty trash tbh. 1. Because crimson existsts. making it completely irrelevant. 2. Because not forgotten still shits all over it.

@ramudon2428 20 күн бұрын

NF looks way worse, which is worth at least 10 range.

@and...and.. 20 күн бұрын

I've been farming Blast Furnace for this reason. I'd love a perfect Luna's but I don't have that kinda time (or luck)

@AnotherAyushRaj 20 күн бұрын

the RNG sucks with Brave weapon. I haven't gotten a single roll for any of the weapons except Elsie's

@RoyaIl886 20 күн бұрын

@Kumari_44 My brother in christ, what are you smoking

@zebrastripe665 20 күн бұрын

Having a hard time getting over the disconnect between the 140 rpm fire rate and the 180 hand cannon recoil style. Feels good on controller, bad on mnk personally. But, zhaouli is ugly and looks are the true endgame so I'm gonna go with Luna anyway

@lammy2140 20 күн бұрын

Feels weird, but I've never fully stopped using NF so still kinda used to it. I am disappointed that it isn't a 180 though

@fotis3v480 20 күн бұрын

Feels bad on controller too. It's throwing me off and I'm a HC main, going from Ace to Lumas feels horrendously bad. Albeit I'll Give it a real shot once i get a 70 range roll to actually test cause 53R is like 31m instead of 33.5 where meta HCs sit.

@dancohen3651 20 күн бұрын

Zaoulis was my first crafted weapon from Kings Fall. Everyone swears by it but the gun model and reload animation do not spark joy for me. I’ve been using Epochal integration this entire season because it feels smooth as butter but as soon as I get my God Roll Luna’s it’s on

@Goblinhandler 20 күн бұрын

@@fotis3v480you just need to get used to the recoil, then it’s like butter

@Enlightenment99 20 күн бұрын

I don’t like 180 recoil. I prefer the 140 recoil.

@GQteddybear 19 күн бұрын

Your guides are always so helpful and informative and never feel forced. As a casual player, it really helps me long term to have a outlook on what the weapon offers from both PvP and PvE standpoints. It cuts down on a lot of time spent on something my may not even want pr want to use later. Can never thank you enough for all the hard work you do. You are a blessing to the Destiny Community ✨️

@jonvolcano 20 күн бұрын

So glad I saw this video before deleting any. I have your 5/5 roll and will now test it out! Thanks for the great review as usual CG!

@bigben0114ify 11 күн бұрын

Very good review , just what I needed , nice easy paced detailed and well explained. Thanks 👍👍 new fan 😊😊

@AB-gx1vo 20 күн бұрын

Been waiting for this one. Thanks for the quality review as always

@thatr0ryt133 20 күн бұрын

The detail in your reviews is appreciated. Nearly every other review I’ve seen just picks perks they haven’t tried.

@KirbyWinz 20 күн бұрын

Hey CoolGuy! Love your videos. I wanted to mention that you should look into the details on how the new origin trait works along with perks like demo and wellspring. The community insights there are off, ever since the December ability updates. These perks now scale with the cooldown of the ability they are effecting. So that 5% number has a big asterisk and can be as low as 2.5%, if I understood those changes correctly. I know you’re a demo/wellspring enjoyer, not to mention the relevance with the new brave origin trait, so I thought you’d want to know.

@meiosys 20 күн бұрын

Another fantastic breakdown, CoolGuy!

@thewanderer905 20 күн бұрын

I got encore, and precision instrument felt so crisp in 1v1. Another great review can't wait for the blast furance review.

@QU67Reacher6 20 күн бұрын

As much as I love Blast Furnace and Hammerhead, Luna's is probably gonna stay focused until Final Shape. It's just so good.

@mattstolte2604 20 күн бұрын

Veteran player returning after many seasons away… this was really helpful. I used to just farm HC’s for KC but there are now so many more perk options for players of meh skill like me to improve their game.

@AuriMeansWind 20 күн бұрын

Top tier thoughts as always CG, can't wait to get my Heal Clip/Incandescent roll!

@eswagyy 20 күн бұрын

thank you Coolguy for the reviews we love them!

@treyrandall2983 20 күн бұрын

Did a wall test, n omg... Flip your controller/mouse upside down, aim and pull trigger with no other input. 100% accurate, just amazing! Precision frame's intrinsic also adds +25 AE, making Luna's the best HC from the air. Rolls with heal clip & magnificent howl, my favorite roll so far. Pair with worm husk, reload dodge, vigilance fragment ECT... ECT.. Chain those 2 taps @ full health for every engagement back to back! Been eagerly awaiting Luna's return since it was announced, soooo glad it's better than I thought it was going to be.

@stephenjablonski6227 20 күн бұрын

Great review as always thanks

@svahn1 20 күн бұрын

I highly agree with your take on precision instrument. It feels like a lot of people overlook it, but it's one of my favorites. And if I want Magnificent Howl I'll just grab my Not Forgotten instead.

@dway2833 20 күн бұрын

You’re the best bud🎉😊. Thanks for all you do in the D2 community. Needless to say, I’m a huge fan.

@aulto 20 күн бұрын

Random, but i like the little Into The Light banner on your thumbnails. It’s eye catching & well done

@thomasholman5728 19 күн бұрын

Great video. Awesome break down. Thx!

@WizzWins 16 күн бұрын

The shader at 00:49 really threw me off 🤣 my brain almost imploded with the unexpected change in colours

@fabriciorodriguez5788 15 күн бұрын

Love your work bro thx!

@Truds 20 күн бұрын

Looking forward to this!

@cavemanprdr3235 20 күн бұрын

So nice I need to watch the review twice on release day

@Kcq11 8 күн бұрын

Wishing the best for you man.

@bobalopadus8901 20 күн бұрын

You can always tell the weapons you're really interested in. Great review

@jcnikoley 20 күн бұрын

I've got the encore, precision instrument, 71 range roll. I'll have to give it a try.

@latentskies 20 күн бұрын

With a range masterwork and Full Bore its very precise even with the hit on stability from the perk just from the frame itself.

@guiltygearV 20 күн бұрын

You really convinced me on precision instrument oncore. Definitely going to grind to get one. That one looks good. I like the consistent damage.

@EtotheFnD 20 күн бұрын

Thanks for gettin nerdy with it buddy...👊

@pvpeet9374 20 күн бұрын

I hope and pray, that your heath is better! Thanks for consistently putting out awesome videos, man!

@jatochgaatjeniksaan3307 20 күн бұрын

Who's heath?

@JEDNEYTV 20 күн бұрын

Been patiently waiting for this one ❤

@Falculo 20 күн бұрын

Thanks Cool Guy! This video was… COOL! 🙌🏻

@bensiboy2 20 күн бұрын

Thank you for turning off the artifact perk for radiant after 3 precision hits! I was worried it might not feel as good in later seasons without a constant 10% damage bonus artificially inflating the range, which other content creators seemed to forget about. I appreciate your attention to detail!

@phillip8132 20 күн бұрын

drop rates for the shinys are so low having this breakdown helps a ton! Thanks a lot man!

@HNTIsenpai 20 күн бұрын

hey man I just found you today and I love the breakdown. i was also just wondering, do you play console or pc?

@CoolGuyGames 20 күн бұрын

I play console mostly, cheaters on PC have kept me away from there

@HNTIsenpai 19 күн бұрын

@CoolGuyGames yea. I recently got my pc fixed, I've played hard console even got a p5 and the edge controller. I just really love the movement keys give you

@Captdrpepper 8 күн бұрын

Cool guy quality. Adept video as usual

@BottomDollarandaDream 20 күн бұрын

I love encore on my adept igneous hammer and to no surprise I love it on Lunas. So many people sweep that perk under the rug.

@TheNecronacht 20 күн бұрын

I landed on the same weapon choice of Encore and Precision Instrument. Less hoops to jump through to get damage perk and the bonus range and accuracy for a scrub like me. Been a fan of Encore since your Empirical Evidence video... 🤙

@jddunebuggy 20 күн бұрын

Heal clip-incandescent was a hot apocalypse last night in legend onslaught. (Wellock)

@teethingkorea3951 20 күн бұрын

Can't wait for your blast furnace review

@matthewboechler0505 20 күн бұрын

Got a 61 range shiny lunas with eye of the storm/subsitence and Mag Howl/desperate measures. I absolutely love it.

@brandoncarter3042 20 күн бұрын

I was playing iron banner yesterday testing a few Mag Howl rolls and learned the hard way that 3 stacks is the sweet spot.

@DustinMikkelsen 20 күн бұрын

I was using Not Forgotten last night while playing Iron Banner and it felt great.

@thedurn8560 19 күн бұрын

Hey cool guy, interesting thing ive been thinking about which is the best elemental percombo how they preform and what weapons the work best . You talk alot about the healclip incandescent. But what about the slice hatchlings of the world, the repluse destabilizing the eddy current voltshots . And what perks you could come up with for stuff like stasis.

@Herbasaurusrexx 20 күн бұрын

My first shiny lunas dropped with encore and precision and oh baby it's slays out!

@ummon 20 күн бұрын

Doomed Petitioned! Respect. Great review, actually convinced me to farm for some more Luna's.

@voodoolab814 20 күн бұрын

Great video as always. I think I am set on Slideshot Precision Instrument. What I like with it is that Slide Shot will get your range there for the first shot or two then Precision Instrument will carry your damage fall off for the last shot. I think it is a really good combo to be honest.

@ramudon2428 20 күн бұрын

I think slideshot only works for the first shot.

@Blanktester685 20 күн бұрын

Incorrect.

@voodoolab814 20 күн бұрын

@@ramudon2428 Sometimes Slideshot procs again during the slide. That's why I put 1-2 shots in my comment.

@ramudon2428 20 күн бұрын

@@voodoolab814 Oh cool, I didn't know that. Thanks for correcting me.

@whitefaze13 Күн бұрын

Got my Heal Clip + Incandescent + Master work reload. I’m happy. Gonna work on a god roll edge transit now before update

@stephenjablonski6227 20 күн бұрын

Got your pvp godroll can't wait to try it out. Curious what the enhanced encore and precision bring to the table.

@YeOldeFatBadger 20 күн бұрын

Desperate measures x1 with radiant is 2 head 1 body against tier 10 resil for 7 seconds without needing to reload & can be refreshed.

@chevmimins6876 20 күн бұрын

Btw we'll be able to enhance precision instrument so it'll give even more dmg so more 3 tap range

@mace8k 19 күн бұрын

very big fan of my subsistence incandescent roll! to me it just feels a lot better to use then zaouli's bane. definitely a preference thing for sure but i love mine a lot

@Papa_WooWoo 20 күн бұрын

I just got a extended barrel, high caliber rounds, encore, magnificent howl, and a range MW. I am actually glad i got it. I haven't tried it in PVP yet, but i bet it goes hard.

@hersheybarjay 20 күн бұрын

Good Morning CoolGuy!

@coneuman 20 күн бұрын

Stacking precision final blows with rain of fire because those boots are my crutch🔥

@scarfacerd7057 18 күн бұрын

@coolguy Another cheese for mag howl ammo, transverse steps will reload the mag without consuming precious shots to get mag howl

@Justin-lr8ip 19 күн бұрын

I have the heal clip/incandescent igneous. It has ricochet rounds and a reload masterwork. I chose arrowhead over extended barrel. It’s so nice.

@malstainkey 20 күн бұрын

Thanks 😀

@captstaats4036 20 күн бұрын

Thanks!

@haydencox8006 20 күн бұрын

After your blast furnace video would you be willing to plausibly make a review on imperial decree shotgun ?

@motechamp 20 күн бұрын

The holster cheese is nice, but I got one with Slideshot/Howl, and you can pair it with Transversives to completely bypass the risk of wasting Howl shots when your normal magazine empties

@toddriehle7675 20 күн бұрын

Sunsetting made me forget how much I do not like Luna’s Howl as a 140, at least not with the 180 recoil pattern

@MountainmadeofSteam 20 күн бұрын

Did you mix footage of a roll with heal/kill clip and one without heal clip? Because I didn‘t see the cure proc several times after a kill there

@NBA-Youngboy-Adept 20 күн бұрын

Got a 4/5 roll on my 3rd drop. Got 4 werans in the first day. Would 100% recommend slide+mh.

@Mr_Ruhl 20 күн бұрын

I got one to drop that has exactly the same stats as Not Forgotten but w\ 15 more handling and eye of the storm. Feels really nice!

@thekingswitness3374 13 күн бұрын

@CoolGuyGames : Great video as always. Saw your latest X post. Praying for you and your speedy recovery. Please let the community know how we can be of service to you brother. 🙏🏽 We love you man!

@rockycvs3 20 күн бұрын

Gonna start grinding for this as soon as I get my shiny blast furnace.

@lotr98765 20 күн бұрын

Thanks

@everythingtankpit 20 күн бұрын

I really enjoyed slideshot incandescent for PvE run and gun style kept me sharp for crucible lol that and if you’re just sitting back nonstop shooting you prob should be using special heavy or you’re in a GM with a bow or Polaris

@jamestatum9886 5 күн бұрын

Hey Cool Guy, hope all is well. Just wondering I have a Mac roll on Luna with slide shot and desperate measures on it. Do you believe this would not be good for dueling in PVP. I have tried it yet myself. Just wondering your opinion.

@madddogg145 20 күн бұрын

Got a hc / inc roll on my igneous..so imma stick with that..got the rolls u recommended, but not the range😢..back to grind

@MuuToo 20 күн бұрын

With Mag Howl, essentially bringing back the age old TF2 adage of "pop it, don't drop it"

@SpartanWolf222 19 күн бұрын

While I much appreciate my Kill Clip + Heal Clip as well as my Incandescent + Enlightened Action roll for PVE, I do find that there is a weird quirky combination on Luna's Howl to make Magnificent Howl work: Discord + MH Hear me out: Normally I would never consider Discord on a primary; however, Discord does two things for this gun. One, it bypasses the very low reload speed that requries a loader mod to compensate for it by filling the entire mag with one kill. Two, Precision Hits are not converted into Howl shots by Discord; only manual reload, which can easily get you your x10 stacks. The way I made this work in Onslaught was to slap on a weapon with Harmony/Recombination/Desperate Measures as my secondary option, and I would use that to proc Discord whenever I got to 4 ammo left in the mag. Then I would reload Luna's Howl with x10 stacks and use that until my ammo is gone. Then repeat. Is it particularly better than Kill Clip / Heal Clip for most situations? Nah, but I do admit it's a fun, unique roll that does work and may be better with Enhanced Traits.

@ThePackman627 20 күн бұрын

For PVE I think Mag Howl should be either a 100% damage boost, so you can better use it in harder endgame content, or HCs get buffed vs red bars again. Because that 20% buff they got back in Season of the Witch, didn't move the needle on shots to kill vs red bars. They need another 15-20% buff vs red bars for legendary HCs to feel good in endgame content

@dadsquad666 20 күн бұрын

My first shiny drop was smallbore/ricochet/EOTS and magnificent howl. Very solid roll, I kinda prefer precision instrument though. Really helps with that damage falloff.

@SerCaelus 16 күн бұрын

Thats just the curated that everybody gets

@dadsquad666 15 күн бұрын

@@SerCaelus don't mind me, I'm dumb 🫠

@MrPrice2U 20 күн бұрын

Was waiting for this video from Cool Guy! Everything is nothing but click bait.

@JJHype 19 күн бұрын

You can also run Traversive Steps on Warlock to refill mag without reloading.

@Thrillmax 20 күн бұрын

Heal clip + Benevolence + Indomitability + Verity’s Brow = constant double damage grenades and grenades for your allies. Pairs well with Desperate measures too for near permanent 30% damage boost

@Saint_Roscoe 20 күн бұрын

I have attempted to farm a bunch of these. Had some bad luck with people backing out of Onslaught after round 20. That aside, my favorite one is an encore/precision instrument with range masterwork and ricochet. Missing a range barrel, but with PI, it’s barely noticed.

@cahillrebel 13 күн бұрын

Heal clip and PC kind of works really well together. Get the kill at low and reload for full health

@MaestroEspada 15 күн бұрын

Got myself 3 Luna's Howls Slideshot+Kill Clip Eye of the Storm+Magnificent Howl Encore+Precision Instrument And gotta say the third one felt the more consistent for me, while do wanted to make the Magnificent Howl my main I'm not skilled enough to proc it consistently so just having the stats benefits by just shooting felt amazing, wish it had Range MW but still pretty good

@trevorromein14 20 күн бұрын

Gonna be hunting shinies for this sucker; Encore/Heal Clip and Maghowl/Incandescent

@kishan20101 20 күн бұрын

Just finished operating on my first patient...waiting on the 2nd patient to come to the OR. Time to watch a coolguy review

@ramudon2428 20 күн бұрын

Slideshot howl with 61 range is what I'm using currently. It feels alright, though the recoil is pretty weird to get used to. I'm just glad they went with luna and not NF for the brave arsenal, as I much prefer the design on luna.

@franknberries7639 20 күн бұрын

My main issue with this gun is it's handling. Yes, I can use ophidians. But not everyone plays warlock.

@theezenriarinze9203 20 күн бұрын

After 777 tokens I got that exact role. max range with encore PI

@juansantamaria7476 20 күн бұрын

Is it shiny though 🤔

@theezenriarinze9203 20 күн бұрын

@@juansantamaria7476 With how bad the RNG is I'm surprised I even got that one

@Satanhohoho 19 күн бұрын

Same except with slideshot which is better.

@theezenriarinze9203 18 күн бұрын

@@Satanhohoho That's Debatable but good for you.

@Sodamachine62 20 күн бұрын

I love how the Luna's howl has the recoil of a 180. Easily my new favorite hand cannon

@Seven-Lights 20 күн бұрын

Spent 600 trophies of bravery whilst attuning for Luna’s, zero shinies for any weapons, but I did get a max reload (79) roll with heal clip and incandescent, a small bore, accurized rounds, slideshot plus precision instrument and range masterwork and the same but with magnificent howl, but a stability masterwork.