M1 Pro vs M1 Max MacBook Pro - Don't WASTE your cash..
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Күн бұрынApple's M1 Max chip in the new 14 and 16" MacBook Pros comes with a 32-core GPU, double the memory bandwidth and double the video encoders, but is it worth $1,000 over the M1 Pro?
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In this video, we compare EVERYTHING between the $2,499 M1 Pro 16" MacBook Pro to the $3,499 M1 Max 16" MacBook Pro to see what differences we can find and if it's actually worth spending the extra cash.
We first take off the back covers to compare the internals, and then we compare things like the SSD speed and SLC cache, as well as the CPU performance in Geekbench 5 and web browsing in the Speedometer 2.0 benchmark.
Then, we get into comparing the differences between the 16 and 32-core GPUs in terms of the performance and wattage, as well as the temperatures and more!
We also ran some very heavy stress tests by putting a full load on the CPU using Cinebench R23 while already running a graphics benchmark to see if we can get any throttling.
And of course, we did some real-world testing with Blender rendering and Final Cut Pro video editing.
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M1 Pro vs M1 Max Macbook Pro - 00:00
Comparing the Internals - 1:15
512GB vs 1TB SSD Speed & SLC Cache Test - 3:02
CPU & Web Browser Testing - 5:30
GeekBench 5 Metal & GPU Clock Speed - 6:45
GFXBench Metal & Peak Wattage Test - 8:21
3DMark Wild Life Gaming Benchmark - 10:18
100% GPU Stress Testing & Thermals - 13:00
Full CPU and GPU Load Throttling Test - 14:46
3D Blender Rendering (Eevee & Cycles) - 20:44
Battery Life Results & Conclusions - 22:13
Video editing (1min HEVC Stabilize) - 23:19
5min 4K H.264 Export Test - 24:19
HEVC 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 Export - 25:09
8K Canon R5 RAW to 8K ProRes Export - 25:53
Is the M1 Max Chip Worth $1,000 More? - 27:39
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@MaxTechOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
Were you expecting the M1 Max to THROTTLE that much? What about the real-world video editing test? Comment below! We honestly think it's worth buying this model ($50 OFF) ➡ geni.us/OuBRWv New M1 Max Tech SoC T-Shirt ➡ max-tech-store.creator-spring.com/listing/apple-m1-max-tech-chip Like these MacBook Wallpapers? Download them here ➡ bit.ly/2WNc6Qw Links to the new MacBook Pros on Amazon ⬇ NEW 14" MacBook Pro 2021 ➡ geni.us/qYardlV NEW 16" MacBook Pro 2021 ➡ geni.us/OuBRWv
@aidenlabruno 2 жыл бұрын
Any chance you’ll test the M1 Max 24 core GPU?
@BenRacicot 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, did you do these tests on battery only?
@kofiampaduthicklenskat9512 2 жыл бұрын
As for me if I have to buy one now I will settle for the 16inch with 10core and 32gigs Ram and 32gigs of graphics. Africans are always left out with releases of tech if u don't have any family member in abroad all a friend in the US before those tech will reach Africa then its been a year or two before the tech shops get it. I will be happy to get hands on one. This time I pray someone from Africa wins the giveaway if not me. Its good the giveaway is not limited only in the US.
@waytested9137 2 жыл бұрын
Any chance you can list the full specification of the Macbooks you're using (CPU, Memory, and GPU) in the description? We can tell by price currently since you've listed it in this video, but couldn't find the GPU spec for your recent excellent RAM comparison vid. TY!
@ScottBalkum 2 жыл бұрын
Max wasn’t thermal throttling. It was bottlenecked by the CPU.
@theishkid 2 жыл бұрын
I thank you guys for all the testing but I really wish we could do more comparisons beyond FCP and 3D renderings. The majority of 3D programs really only care about processing power and don't utilize the GPU's as much. So beyond thermal throttling they are going to be almost identical every time. What NEEDS to be tested is After Effects. That's where we are going to see the biggest difference and NOBODY is doing that comparison. It would also be nice to see some Premier testing as a lot of people live in Adobe's universe.
@btrue2 2 жыл бұрын
That's the vid I'm waiting for
@introvertdreamer4737 Жыл бұрын
Me too man honest to god
@introvertdreamer4737 Жыл бұрын
And this is over a year later lol
@ChaseTheSummit 2 жыл бұрын
I think what’s being missed in a lot of these battery life tests is that the M1 Max is completing a lot more work while on battery than the M1 Pro in a given duration of time. Sure, at full throttle for 30 minutes it’s going to drain more battery side by side. But in real life it will complete these tasks faster and thus, won’t require as much time at full throttle… did that make sense? 🤔
@komapilot1 2 жыл бұрын
This comment should be pinned
@zt9233 2 жыл бұрын
Yes but that's probably in gpu tasks. How much is drain in regular tasks is also worth noting. I'll trade performance for battery life if I'm using performance. But if I'm trading battery life significantly even during reg tasks that's disappointing.
@samiosmith 2 жыл бұрын
@@zt9233 Good point! Have you come across any battery life tests during reg tasks you can link? I use my macbook for photo/video editing at times but also loads of reg tasks - emails zzz, conf calls etc etc. I'd take a hit on performance on the go for better battery life on reg tasks, given I'll still most likely edit at home on the big screen 27" iMac for the majority of time (can't beat that screen size for colour work tbh)
@nitrowad 2 жыл бұрын
I agree - if you want to compare battery life - compare it with same exact things - running a game on 120fps will obviously use a lot more energy than on 60fps
@zt9233 2 жыл бұрын
@Sami Smith I have come across two. The verge but that one provides little details. The other is tech chap and there the m1 max is about 9hr and 20min give or take vs 11hr for m1 pro. In intense tasks the hit is more significant about 3hr vs about 6hr.
@cogmission1 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thank you guys for such extensive and thorough testing and coverage! Nobody else is doing the work you guys are, and I want you to know it's appreciated! Thanks again - and please keep them coming because you guys are in a position to really expose the nuances of differences between all the options Apple is giving us! Love you guys! Thank you again!
@JulesStoop 2 жыл бұрын
@22:00 56% performance improvement is actually massive. People pay up to a few thousand dollars for a discrete GPU that can offer a similar performance improvement.
@danielm.3511 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, they need to understand that it is just unrealistic to assume perfect scaling in regards to core count or price. It is pretty normal to pay much more for the last bit of highend performance.
@komapilot1 2 жыл бұрын
It’s true
@bluetradesgreen 2 жыл бұрын
56% does not actually stack up in real life tests. It only makes about a 15% speed difference and almost no difference at all when actually multi tasking
@JulesStoop 2 жыл бұрын
@@bluetradesgreen this is specifically about the difference between Pro and Max in gpu based 3D rendering. If there’s no other bottleneck present, the Max beats the Pro handily in this specific task.
@danielm.3511 2 жыл бұрын
@@bluetradesgreen Says the wise man. Any other insights? I prefer tests, not wild guesses.
@jackyharuhiko 2 жыл бұрын
Diminishing return when you max out a machine. A few years later, the base model of the MBP is gonna be faster than the maxed out 2021 MBP.
@Mamo878 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. And depreciation on a maxed out machine is greater too. Just ask those who bought a Mac Pro the last couple of years or so.
@AndreyMynka 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's true but at the same time this is the best mobile performance available. I will be getting a max spec macbook (except for storage) not only because of the gpu cores, but also the neural, prores, and 2x faster unified memory. It may not be the most "stable" investment, because it will go down in value, but it will bring me value in the meantime letting me edit faster on the go
@5uckk 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mamo878 I doubt that Apple will be taking massive leaps as they did now every year. They'll be drip upgrading like always.
@jabulaniharvey 2 жыл бұрын
future software improvements are better accommodated on a maxed-out long-term keeper
@seblinda 2 жыл бұрын
The max was nearly doing doubling the performance in the benchmarks. Of course the energy consumption was way higher and battery drainage faster. But under normal workload without those extreme tests it could be much closer. For me ordering with big ssd and ram the cost from the pro to minor is just 12 percent but I gain 40 to 100 percent boost in performance.
@ericchang966 2 жыл бұрын
I guess the M1 Max is on the top of the performance curve, and it tapers quite a bit. Top machines have always come at a premium without performance scaling linearly. Interested in where the 24-core will land. Thanks for another solid comparison video.
@AlexNN3 2 жыл бұрын
Nice nice, now i want 16 cores vs 24 cores. If 24 cores not trotling like the 32 it will be 24 for me :)
@robynd6138 2 жыл бұрын
That's a typical apple fan reply. " me just want apple, me no care if they horrible company, because me like apple" lol
@AlexNN3 2 жыл бұрын
@@robynd6138 yes i am a apple fan. I like there products, what is wrong? Why you think that they are horrible company. Its a company like any other. What brand laptop you use, what brand smartpohone you use? They all want money. At least they do the macbooks with 100% recycle alu...
@apidas 2 жыл бұрын
buy it yourself
@AlexNN3 2 жыл бұрын
@@apidas ?
@decidocisum 2 жыл бұрын
@@robynd6138 when was the last time I went on a video about windows to say dumb shit. Ah yes never because that is something either a fanboy or a poser would do. Find a mirror.
@PatricioEscobarDH 2 жыл бұрын
It will be interesting to see how the 24 core GPU M1max would compare in this test. The price difference would be $800...
@MaxTechOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! I wonder if the 24 core can actually have the full wattage it needs and not thermally throttle under 100% system load and it still has double the encoders. Sounds like it might be a winner!
@PatricioEscobarDH 2 жыл бұрын
@@MaxTechOfficial Now you guys will need to buy one😉🥶
@GuyThompsonFWTX 2 жыл бұрын
This is what I ordered with the 64 GB unified memory. I think I may have chosen wisely
@feliciengirault 2 жыл бұрын
Nope, because you are forced to have 32gb ram with the 24 core GPU as well..
@boredafff 2 жыл бұрын
@@MaxTechOfficial Can you guys please test out the battery usage of the 14" unbinned versus binned M1 Pros too please?
@christopheryerikian4260 2 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison. Honestly watching all these comparisons for the 14, it’s looking like the base 14” binned with a 1TB SSD is the move. Most bang for your buck. 16” is the move if you want more screen real estate, battery, and sound. But as far as internals go, base chip, base ram. spend the money on SSD.
@damhnaicandadhoraidh7991 2 жыл бұрын
Good review - I would recommend to try these tests out again in a couple of months time when software might be upgraded to take advantage of the hardware - especially when the desktop versions using the M1 Pro/Max (the high end versions of iMac and Mac Mini) would also be released.
@marcoterzano6957 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Finally, thank yo uso much for everything you constantly do for us I'm waiting for my M1 max 24 core 32 gb 1 tb so I'm really excited for the next comparison with the 24 core model!
@TheVikingquest 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah havent seen much on that one. The update to max forcing a 900 dollar upgrade was just to rich for me and my usecase. Went for 1tb though. Btw on my old 2015 one i used the camera card (forget the name, not a photographer) for extra storage. It existed shorter camera cards with aluminium end which fitted the chassi. R these still available u think?
@bevans868 2 жыл бұрын
It is what I ordered also!
@jamesrosenberg1612 2 жыл бұрын
Thats the spec version i would get if I could afford it! seems like a solid option. get the extra memory bandwidth and a lil extra GPU power for only $200 more
@xRay5454 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly the base 16" is looking like an excellent all arround laptop, for everyone. The screen, battery life, power ... It's actually very competitive.
@EzequielLFriscia 2 жыл бұрын
Went with the 14” Max. Although I love the 16” it’s not just the MacBook size the extra you have to carry around; you also have the brick. But yeah, if size, weight and mobility is not an issue then the 16” hands down.
@EzequielLFriscia 2 жыл бұрын
@@synen yeah 32GB. I need to run several VMs and Cisco devices.
@crazycomments8038 2 жыл бұрын
@@EzequielLFriscia Brick? It isn't a brick and you won't know until you had one like myself. I had a brick 3 times the size for the MBP Pro.
@QH96 2 жыл бұрын
@@EzequielLFriscia was thinking the same thing, but brought the 16 because when im gonna travel theyre both going in a backpack so it doesnt really matter.
@EzequielLFriscia 2 жыл бұрын
@scripteaze well in my case I have to take the bus and the metro everyday for at least 1 hour and a half. Even when I arrive I have to move it around all the time. Not everyone is the same. That’s why I said if mobility, size and weight is not a concern then the 16”
@Tubelistic 2 жыл бұрын
Max, Q. about throttling. Does the 32C Max also throttle down when plugged into the AC, instead of when running on battery? Would it be an interesting test when you have the 24C Max also? PS. Missed the Logic Pro test. Thanks!
@cameronwarn3726 2 жыл бұрын
Hope you guys do some 24 vs 32 core tests, and also interested to see 32 vs 64GB memory on those tests too. Wonder if it was it the temps that dropped the Max so much in some of these tests, or did low battery or running out of memory for it’s cores affect it?
@cameratests 2 жыл бұрын
So the $1000 difference is a 40% increase. In most of the tests I care about for video and photo work, the performance boost is more than 40%, even getting close to 60%. Seems worth it and like you said at the end, entirely dependent on budget and needs. I look at it from another perspective, if I can 10x my return, meaning gain enough productivity back to make 10x what I spent over the life of the product, then it's worth it. So if spending $1k means I can be efficient enough to have the time to land $10k worth of additional work then it's more than worth it. Thanks for the comparison!
@fedstryale 2 жыл бұрын
More importantly, if you got 32GB ram and 1TB ssd of m1 pro, it only took 400usd to upgrade.
@cameratests 2 жыл бұрын
@@fedstryale True, that $1000 is buying more than a SOC upgrade. And you have more memory bandwidth for external peripherals, SSDs and displays. Opens up a world of options. But the whole package of what $1000 is buying, a faster SSD, likely faster/more efficient memory usage, let alone double the capacity, and the SOC is all contributing to that performance boost
@theequalizer2727 2 жыл бұрын
The 1tb ssd is $200, so actually $800 difference.
@derekbaker3279 2 жыл бұрын
Your effort to carry out all these tests, and the fact that you were willing to get input from other experts are both highly commendable. Thank you for doing such extensive testing! I would like to share some additional thoughts, so here they are... During the video, it did seem to me that you are focusing your reaction(s)/conclusion(s) on the issue of whether or not the 32-core GPU is twice as fast as the 16-core GPU, rather than dealing with your original question. As all of your tests revealed, there are factors that affect overall performance beyond the number of GPU cores, so I wonder if that focus on expectations re: doubling GPU speed was needed. However, I will acknowledge that there may be a lot of viewers who may make the assumption that a 32-core GPU would have double the performance of a 16-core GPU, so I do feel that your tests did serve the purpose of dispelling those misconceptions/incorrect assumptions. Nevertheless, your original question was 'is the M1 Max worth $1,000 over the M1 Pro', which IMHO translates to 'will the extra $1,000 investment be worth it?', or 'will the extra $1,000 investment pay for itself?'. This shines a very different light on the results you got from the tests. Since "time is money" for those using a MBP in professional/business situations, even a 30% increase in rendering speeds, etc. may be signficant in some or many applications. It will be up to those who use the MBP in professional/business situations to do the math & determine if getting important tasks done more quickly will mean more projects completed in less time, which - in turn - would mean greater efficiency & higher profits. It is entirely possible that the $1,000 extra paid for the more expensive M1 Max (to get better performance) will pay for itself within the lifetime of the laptop, even if the results are supposedly 'disappointing' & don't meet expectations according to benchmarks. (Analogy: I pay $24,000 for a hybrid vehicle instead of buying a similar $16,000 gas-powered vehicle....a difference of $8,000. Even if the hybrid is only 20% percent more energy efficient than the gas-powered vehicle, that 20% improvement could translate to a significant reduction in energy costs, especially if I do a lot of driving. If I have a business that has me travelling long distances every week, it is possible that I will save far more than $8,000 in energy costs during the first year or two of owning the hybrid vehicle. In that sense, it would be worth the extra cost for the hybrid vehicle if I plan on keeping it for more than a year or two). Of course, the original question & analysis will have a very different context for those who purchase their MBP for non-professional/non-business purposes (hobby & general interest activities), but even then, time is valuable to us all, and the $1,000 extra paid for the M1 Max may be worth it for some people.
@m77mmdd19 2 жыл бұрын
Bro wrote about a laptop more than I will ever write in an essay
@ajtech8089 2 жыл бұрын
Also the conclusion that the 16c has worse battery life and louder fan noise is puzzling. They have the exact same battery, the M1 Max is using more power in exchange for better performance in these tests so of course it will use more battery and louder fans when maxing out the GPUs. Also it is only £300 cheaper to go for the Max if you’re already set on getting a 1TB SSD and 32GB of RAM.
@ChanonWangtrirat 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos of these several infos on m1Pro / Max. It's actually first day pick up in Thailand and I don't regret the decision to get 16 base model. It's Amazing mannnn!!!!
@Rikearon 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Great comparisons, great details on those as well. Only consideration, between these two machines, when you take in consideration the ram and storage, it comes down to $400 choice, not 1000 anymore. It’s good to point out that there are some scenarios where ram starts to be a prohibitive parameter, specially when dealing with complex programming environment for example. You guys have the videos on the ram as well, so good job on that. And storage comes down to usage, but when consider buying a computer for at least 3 years of use, this 512GB to 1TB storage upgrade comes in handy! Great video, just some point to enrich the discussion!
@Dan2000kr Жыл бұрын
RAM is actually important. I had macbook air 2013 with 4gb of memory and it lasted untill 2023, now it's unusable. My friend on hand has 8gb of RAM and he STILL using his 10 y o macbook
@locxucreator 2 жыл бұрын
The verdict is little bit unfair, since the $3500 model does not only have more GPU cores but also 16GB more unified memory and 512GB more SSD. If we customize the base model to match the $3500 model except for CPU, the price difference is only $400, so paying about 15% more to get 35%-50% more in performance is not bad at all.
@lexsemenenko7044 2 жыл бұрын
What I’ve been thinking the whole video. Perfect point that should be in the video
@martelljhixson 2 жыл бұрын
The 1 T 14inch 16gb M1 pro is $2500....3500 for the 32 core M1 max. What are you saying? That's what's being compared... are you saying he should compare the 24 core?
@martelljhixson 2 жыл бұрын
That's the highest configuration for the pro. You can only get more ssd without going to the Max
@locxucreator 2 жыл бұрын
@@martelljhixson both models in this video is 16”.
@Crusaderrom 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that a $600 increase doesn't yield any boost in performance means that the base 16" M1 Pro is really fantastic and a much better value for money than the $3500 model. IMO you are far better off using the base M1 Pro unless your workflow massively benefits from the GPU and RAM increase. Use the spare money for a fantastic second or even third screen plus other great accessories and still have some money left.
@LeesReviews69 2 жыл бұрын
This should be the biggest video yet, the video we’ve all been waiting for!
@thugovpanjab 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the stress tests. Appreciate the effort put in for these comparisons, great work!
@egypt0 2 жыл бұрын
You guys are one-of-a-kind, you quickly became the definitive source of buyers' guide for new M1 Pro and M1 Max Macbooks. I downloaded all your videos for multiple revisions. GREAT WORK
@tryit1568 2 жыл бұрын
I’m astonished! 😨 Apple have really come long way. I believe Apple should start the base model Macs at 1TB.
@AB-ub9nd 2 жыл бұрын
Why tho?
@imEzno 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, especially since they start at 2,000…
@Hugo-fn3oh 2 жыл бұрын
Highly encourage getting more storage like at least 1 TB because that is one the major issues that prop up as time goes on
@Rsmith420 2 жыл бұрын
@Ezza if 512 gb is seriously more than enough for you, it sounds like you are an Air/basic user instead of a Pro user.
@v3zMedia 2 жыл бұрын
The video we’ve all been waiting for.
@DarkPa1adin 2 жыл бұрын
yes! the video that I have been dying for
@nobody9706 2 жыл бұрын
Me too Count me in #1!
@joshuawilcox 2 жыл бұрын
Same!
@bevans868 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! It raises the question in my mind if the 24 core might be the sweet spot if it doesn’t throttle as much or at all as the 32 core?
@SuperDuperTango 2 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting if you could rerun some of these tests while on power vs. battery to see if the Max would throttle as much
@lucassander9227 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how would the M1 Max do on the CPU+GPU test if the Energy Mode was fixed to High Power, instead of Automatic, and/or connected with MagSafe to the 140W power adapter, instead of using only the battery, since running the fans at max didn’t give it better performance, maybe this could change the power envelope and allow so? Can you guys test this, please? Thanks!
@nadavelkabets 2 жыл бұрын
That’s it… I assume that it can in fact sustain 100% combined workload (which is very unrealistic btw) when set to high power and plugged in. The M1 Max will take up 80w by itself, and that’s without the fans, display etc. No battery at that size is able to output that much…
@applefanatic414 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting stuff. I'm very curious to see the difference between a 14 inch with the M1 Max vs. a 16 inch with the same specs.
@TheVikingquest 2 жыл бұрын
Shouldnt be that much? Batterylife mostly?
@iXeo81 2 жыл бұрын
The 14" has smaller cooling fans as the 16" so there should be a massive difference through throttling.
@ericclaeyborn3600 2 жыл бұрын
I think the speaker system is better on the 16".
@khoifoto 2 жыл бұрын
I still stick with my choice of the maxed out version of the 16 inch. 30-40% faster worth $800 for me. Quite easy math.
@moya6923 2 жыл бұрын
What's your usage?
@khoifoto 2 жыл бұрын
@@moya6923 I do a bit of everything: xcodes, design using abode suite, final cut pro, and also a bit of 3d rendering, and I need a fast machine to work on the go.
@coose0 2 жыл бұрын
@@moya6923 just light fb browsing here and there. maybe webcam selfie
@komapilot1 2 жыл бұрын
100% good value, I’v paid more than that for 30-40% better performance
@Yunghamz 2 жыл бұрын
People should follow the advice that if you're torn between the 2, you don't need a max. High power users will know what they want(and hopefully are getting paid to work on this higher power). Everyone else better off with the base models, 16 inch if you care about the battery, thermals and fan noise. 14 if you don't and carry the laptop outside with you often.
@samuellouis3685 2 жыл бұрын
We appreciate all the thorough tests that you've made so far with all the new Mackbook configurations,You are truly hearty with your job.
@bashful228 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the review and stress testing. You need to do it with one, two or three 4K displays/reference monitors to really get a sense of how these will be used by many people. With shared/integrated memory (DRAM) for both CPU and GPU cores, external displays makes real world impacts on performance. I've noticed that with the MBA 13" M1 quite a bit, and lots of intel CPU Macs with AMD/Nvidia GPUs for that matter.
@chriscarty2514 2 жыл бұрын
The video I’ve been waiting for! Finally able to order my machine! Thanks Maxtech!
@zt9233 2 жыл бұрын
What did you get?
@TheVikingquest 2 жыл бұрын
Ordered mine. Before this video. A 16 base, but with 1tb. Its just too expansive to upgrade this time around. The currency conversion and higher asking orices makes it a really bad deal. My 2015 15 base was 1799….
@antonburgess5844 2 жыл бұрын
Here we go, this is another video I’ve been waiting for!!
@scottgmaclean 2 жыл бұрын
The comparison I’ve been waiting for! Thanks Vadim and Max for all your hard work.
@ddames 2 жыл бұрын
Waiting for the 24 Core M1 Max comparison. Y’all are doing great with these comparisons. So helpful as I’m still deciding which configs to get
@bobzhu8528 2 жыл бұрын
While I admire your review, I think some of your logic is wrong when you say the M1 Max not worth $1000 upgrade. You don't pay double price for M1 Max model, why do you expect to get double performance? Don't forget if you upgrade the M1 Pro model to the same 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD, the price difference becomes only $400. And I believe the performance of upgraded M1 Pro won't change much from your testing model. Do you think $400 doesn't worth for average 30% performance gain? Of course for people who do little graphic/video stuff, they don't benefit much from M1 Max. They should stay with M1 pro or normal M1. But for people who really need the power, I think M1 Max worths it.
@romsprod 2 жыл бұрын
I fully agree with your comment : I checked and they're testing M1 Pro model with 32Go RAM so it's not 1000$ of diff with M1 Max. By the way I'm surprised that they don't say that it's M1 Pro 32Gb in the intro...
@jossecarstens 2 жыл бұрын
@@romsprod Not true, they mention it at the start of the video. They use the M1 Pro with 16GB of RAM.
@denoise_ 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, now wondering how 24 core GPU would handle watts & fans.
@RyanStephenAlldridge 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Nobody is talking about the 24! And of course it's the one I have my eye on *sigh*
@jonnyjonasson252 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, Im wondering the same and think it’s odd that nobody is testing the 24 core version.
@BornAgainFarmGirl 2 жыл бұрын
These videos have answered all of my questions, you guy’s have done a great job 👏🏽!
@chevx2203 2 жыл бұрын
Hands down, best reviewer on right now. Thank you for the constant update and for answering the questions we needed answered
@simonwyndham 2 жыл бұрын
Another great test. Was the Max running in high power mode? And also did the fans kick in loud during the video exports? Would really love to see them tested with Topaz Video Enhance AI, since that really puts a lot of pressure on the GPU (and you can tell it to use CPU only if you want as well).
@AndreyMynka 2 жыл бұрын
The max wasn't running in max power mode (because you can see in the video that the charger isn't plugged in) and from other tests I have seen the fans don't even turn on during exports. And I agree, it would be awesome to see those macs running some different Topaz AI tests. I kind of wonder if it would be able to use the m1 Max neural cores to help it 🤔
@stopthefomo 2 жыл бұрын
No different than paying extra for the RTX3090 or 6900XT. In life the last 10% of performance does not scale linearly. You always overpay
@NumaanAhmad 2 жыл бұрын
We always overpay coz of FOMO
@bashful228 2 жыл бұрын
it's not just in life, Apple has always placed premium prices on higher end systems, openly admitted their margins are higher on high end systems at times.
@thejokesonlife3745 2 жыл бұрын
@@bashful228 so buy their stock instead of their products
@emilholmsten8600 2 жыл бұрын
Word
@bashful228 2 жыл бұрын
@@thejokesonlife3745 wish I had when the word was M$ was going to by Apple outright in the 90s. I still believed back then! I'd be a wealth man now if I'd borrowed a few $100K put them into Apple stock. Tesla ditto called it a few hrs ago hen they succeeded in scaling to Model 3.
@Tricksandbeats 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for these in-depth videos ❤️😃 really appreciate it!
@RRH12 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing the level of detailed comparison you manage to do video after video! Keep up the great work
@redhamahfoodh9471 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting results .. 24 cores GPU model against both 16 and 32 models would be a great video to find out where it lands. Thank for the video.
@unvrknow22 2 жыл бұрын
These videos are so valuable. Thank you Max Tech and I'm definitely rooting for you to hit a million subs.
@lavinchi6709 5 ай бұрын
Super!!!Thank you for the very professional comparing
@leobardobivianomedia 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for these comparison videos, very helpful.
@zildog 2 жыл бұрын
I have the 14" 10/24 32GB Max 1TB. I WAS going to get the 10/16 32GB Pro 512GB but realized that the jump between the two chips was massive and in terms of future proofing, so was increased SSD storage, as this vid illustrates. There is no option for 16GB with this chip but I'm looking forward to being proven right. 10/24 32GB 1TB appears to be the ideal configuration.
@teemuvesala9575 2 жыл бұрын
for 14" if you want the best performance, yeah. 32 core gpu would throttle like crazy on 14" model since even 16" model with larger heatsink has some thermal throttling issues.
@HajongLee 2 жыл бұрын
please upload a video where the benchmarks for every configuration of the macbooks you bought are put together in one video
@samiam5326 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for having both colours side by side. Very useful.
@ZoranvonderHeide 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! You save people a lot of money! Last comparison we need is M1 Max 32C vs M1 Max 24C vs M1 Pro 16C. Video Editing ProRes 10 bit 4:2:2 and Xcode Bench.
@eigojiyouzu 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely what we’ve all been waiting for. This solidified my choice to go for the 16 m1 pro 32ram 2Tssd. Feeling good about my purchase. Thanks bois
@Manny24_8 2 жыл бұрын
@@rutkowski1490 you should never fall into the max out trap. all marketing and most people end up selling their maxed out hardware a couple years later to get the newest thing lol
@Lacrom23 2 жыл бұрын
@@Manny24_8 newest and also maxed out hehe
@eigojiyouzu 2 жыл бұрын
@@rutkowski1490 i actually bought maxed out a few minutes after the event only to return it for something something i actually need and will use. These things are beast and i would have never used 32 gpu and 64 ram. Good on us aye
@VojkoPlevel 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a comparison with multiple monitors. I guess most of us work with at least one external display. Personally, I'm used to three displays (2xQHD+UWQHD). How would these perform with two external displays? Or the M1Max with three? Can 24 core GPU run three ext. displays?
@professorgeorgievsky 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your video. Very informative 👍😊
@dariosimas5268 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison, thanks! Very helpful! 😎
@PersonSuit 2 жыл бұрын
Could you do some low power mode testing? I head it has much better battery life with not that big a hit to performance.
@captnnemo 2 жыл бұрын
Having better performance lowers the time needed to complete the task. So on M1 Max you gonna complete your task faster (not the same time as was tested during the video). And that actually will lower battery usage on real life tasks (while M1 Pro drains battery for 20 min with M1 max you gonna be done in 10 min for example).
@BigPhilOnline 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Great comparison! I'm very surprised about the battery on the M1 Max. I would expect a shorter time on the battery but not by 25%, that is something. As you said almost no one will squeeze them so hard with all these stress tests as you did so for video editing in the final cut pro the M1 Pro will be enough. Thanks for all the effort 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@VanLifeByTheRiver 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely loving these comparison videos!
@MrFirasath 2 жыл бұрын
the faster SSD speeds in the 1TB drive will also make the processing faster overall as it uses swap files. Thus, get the 1TB SSD even if you are going for the cheaper model. It is worth the upgrade.
@tvm2209 2 жыл бұрын
I heard the 2TB is even faster?
@zero7dd 2 жыл бұрын
Great reviews, so can you guys do 16" M1 PRO 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU with 32gb ram ***VS*** 16" M1 MAX 10-core CPU, 24-core GPU with 32gb ram
@Diegolopezp 2 жыл бұрын
Great series of in-depth reviews! Thanks!
@PixelnPlug 2 жыл бұрын
Doing the tests we all wanted to know 🙌🏾
@ChrisAlford 2 жыл бұрын
Something I'd love to see tested is a RAW panoramic HDR work flow tested in Lightroom with something like the Canon R5 or Sony A7R IV. I'm curious to see if this causes a spinning beach ball.
@D45728 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the sweet spot would end up being the 10c/24c 16” Max. Same size heat sink as the 32c with 8 fewer cores = quieter fan levels than the 32, + battery life somewhere in between the M1 Pro and 32c Max, but also potentially better performance in this stress test than the 32c due to (possibly) no or less thermal throttling?
@MaxTechOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
That’s what we think as well. We will test it!
@D45728 2 жыл бұрын
@@MaxTechOfficial Awesome, looking forward to it!
@clarkgourguejr 2 жыл бұрын
@@MaxTechOfficial THIS is the test I'm looking for! Not many reviews on the 10c/24c model with 32GB. I can't wait!
@davidhunternyc1 2 жыл бұрын
Dylan, you are well informed. Would you help me configure a new MacBook Pro? I need to upgrade my antiquated 2010 MacBook Pro and I came to this video for guidance. I use my laptop for Photography and Illustrator projects and very rarely for video. I think the M1 Pro chip would be great for me. Budget isn't an issue but might as well be prudent too. Your recommendation would be a great help. Thank you.
@MrTriumphST 2 жыл бұрын
Get the 32 coreinstead of the 24 core the is not much different in price . And the price difference between is tested machines is unreal becuase you have to count also teh 32 GB and the 1 TB in compare
@huexley 2 жыл бұрын
Very instructive video thanks ! Can't wait to see the 24 model !
@unknown-ig9sn 2 жыл бұрын
After watching all your videos this past week has been very enlightening. Keep up up the great work!
@Stefanonym 2 жыл бұрын
I did see this coming, lots of your previous tests pointed into this direction! I did the right conclusion in ordering the base 16“ with 16GB Ram and 2TB SSD. That is the sweetspot, the most Bang for Buck, the best deal, however you want to call it. Thank you very much for all these reviews, it helped me a lot to make the right decision in the end🥳
@MaxTechOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect choice! There’s a chance that the 2TB fills all the SSD slots so it could be much faster compared to the 1TB. We will test it!
@MilanDarjanin 2 жыл бұрын
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu few years back, my internal SSD in the macbook died. I lost everything on that computer (not so painful everything lived in the cloud too, in my case but still)
@Stefanonym 2 жыл бұрын
@@bulletproof8019 Not really because Maxtech tested 16 vs 32 Ram and it didn’t make any difference. You should check out that video, it was the reason why I choose against the 32GB version. Plus the 2GB SSD will be a lot faster than 1GB so Swap will work even better just in case.
@Stefanonym 2 жыл бұрын
@@MaxTechOfficial that’s exactly what I expected! I saw tests of the 2GB version and it was much faster than 512 and 1GB
@kenroman777 2 жыл бұрын
@@Stefanonym I wonder if the 4TB is yet faster?
@BlackWidowYT_FPS 2 жыл бұрын
I am very pleased with my new MBP M1 Pro 16 inch, 1 TB. Comparing to i9 MBP 2019 it is way much better and the MBP does not heat up nor throttling. Everything about it is amazing
@94oGs Жыл бұрын
How are you liking it now? Thinking about getting the same machine
@BlackWidowYT_FPS Жыл бұрын
@@94oGs I like it a lot, but I do regret slightly for not getting the extra RAM like 32 gb. My MBP have one problem (I haven’t visited Genius bar yet) when I listen to music I hear crackling sound, I tried many solutions and didn’t work. Good thing I purchased Apple care+.
@ampstraction 2 жыл бұрын
great reviews much info thanks:D
@SamTheBattleshipp 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video! I do kind of wish that for the video rendering tests, that it was more of a longer video. Like perhaps see which device can render a video similar to yall's KZfaq videos where it's between 10-20 minutes in length with some overlays and graphics. But other than that I always enjoy watching yall's videos!
@NoahBershatsky 2 жыл бұрын
Why are you not exporting in 8K HEVC? That’s the test that will really demonstrate if there are any differences. Also, how about DaVinci Resolve?
@tryit1568 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video dedicated to Logic Pro and Audio Processing on the M1 , M1Pro and M1Max ? As someone working in the music industry, I can say that most musicians and Producers use Multisample Plug-ins .For example when I play live I use Omnisphare, Keyscape and Spitfire. Some of these can max your CPU out and they can sometimes take over 2 minutes to load all the samples.
@rziatic 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, would also like to see that. Especially with lots of Kontakt Instances
@dalongye-lee9409 2 жыл бұрын
Another video which answered exactly what I need, with real results. Thank you so much
@verngall 2 жыл бұрын
Max, did you try the M1 Max with the boost when doing both tests running at the same time? Maybe no throttling then ?
@braedenblack6116 2 жыл бұрын
I just check the activity monitor on my 2019 27” iMac with 64gb of ram and I’m using 50+ gb. So if I were to get a new MBP I’d be going with a 16” M1 max with 64gb of ram. Granted I also keep my machines for 6-8 years so I tend to get higher specked models so they perform better over the long term.
@damara2268 2 жыл бұрын
What do you use 50gb ram for?
@braedenblack6116 2 жыл бұрын
@@damara2268 i'm a developer. my setup consists of my 27" iMac with two external screens. I then have 18 to 20 apps open at any given time, ranging from browsers, IDEs for different code languages & databases, graphic design apps & team communication etc, etc, etc. I was surprised when I opened Activity monitor and saw that. Can't complain about the iMac though been a great machine. in the new year I'll be in the market for a new laptop to replace my aging 2015 15" MBP, but these new M1 Pro/Max machines are making me rethink my setup. :)
@XYUCSD 2 жыл бұрын
You don’t expect double GpU performance simply because M1 max have double gpu cores. Things doesn’t scale linearly. For users who need the fast export and rendering, those time saved with M1 max will justify the “tiny” initial cost paid one time
@TheVikingquest 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe u right. But companies needing to cut render times cant be too interested in spending 5k in a laptop? A scalable mac pro on a server must be a better solution? Well se what apple release, but if not the hardware cant be scaled, upgraded or replaceable i just dont see how this is competive. With that said im getting one basemodel. But im not using one proffesionaly - its still just a laptop though - with really low value if upgraded. Its just not worth it.
@jjv9746 2 жыл бұрын
Max Tech reviewing Mac Pro and Mac Max chips video finally made for this mad man wanting max perspective before buying a Mac - been waiting for this!
@jkerrin 2 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video. Thank you for performance tests.
@jerrrrrell 2 жыл бұрын
To answer your question on where it's worth the extra $1,000 or not -- to the average user, no.. to a business/professionals who use and will actually need the quicker rendering speeds, sure. It all depends on who's using it.
@ScottSTIG 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison! Would love to see a similar test with the 16" Max (32 core) vs 16" Max (24 core). Also all three battery test for real world performance
@somoysubandhu789 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the amazing Review MAX. Literally answering all the questions I had :D
@Dadtech. 2 жыл бұрын
This was the 1 i was waiting for, thank you guys
@Amiigaf3 2 жыл бұрын
You can’t compare battery life when doing stress test because the m1max is literally doing more work. I.e. completing each loop quicker than the m1pro, hence doing more work by either giving you more fps or by completing more loops for the amount of stress test time.
@eberhardjiritschka3151 2 жыл бұрын
Correct. I was up to commenting the same. @Max Tech: you actually need to use real workloads like video editing, exporting with the same amount of "work" to be done in order to compare battery life
@karolykrausz5534 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir! I was just thinking that! The M1 Max did a LOT more work and of course it produced more heat. More work = more power = more heat
@LuckyDogGaming 2 жыл бұрын
You can compare them, the comparison is, is the performance gain worth the battery drain. Some people might prioritize battery over performance.
@WesPerry 2 жыл бұрын
Did you try any of these tests while plugged in? It seems like an odd choice to do such heavy testing on battery alone. Most people doing such work will be sitting at a desk much of the time. Good to have battery testing for sure, but…yeah. Lol
@mephotography9829 2 жыл бұрын
MacBooks perform the same on battery and plugged in - that’s one of the main draws of using a Mac. Also, the tests were done on battery to show the differences in remaining battery power after a bank of tests were done. So, running these tests plugged in has no benefit to the tests being performed in this video.
@WesPerry 2 жыл бұрын
@@mephotography9829 I would like to see more about this, and whether or not/how well high performance mode works while running on battery. Also, the lack of mention of which power mode this laptop was in (there are three power modes on the 16") is a bit of an oversight.
@WesPerry 2 жыл бұрын
@@mephotography9829 their latest video now shows there are differences to running on battery power, at least with the 16”.
@simstarz111 2 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated for all these in-depth reviews.
@DaneChan 2 жыл бұрын
If I choose 1TB storage on the M1 Pro model, will I get the same read / write speed on the M1 Pro Macbook?
@ArthurET 2 жыл бұрын
😭 I can't sub multiple times you guys deserve the million subscribers your videos are the the most detailed of all KZfaq !
@MaxTechOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
You can be sure to enable notifications! :)
@ArthurET 2 жыл бұрын
@@MaxTechOfficial I sure enabled those !😁
@vslow4795 2 жыл бұрын
“It definitely gonna last longer because it doesn’t have all these GPU cores”, - is it though? I wonder if there is an impact on battery from M1 Max in real word usage. It is obvious, that stress testing will result in a faster battery consumption, but you are getting more scores and more frames for it. How does it compare in the real word?
@jshio1563 2 жыл бұрын
30-40% less battery life on heavy tasks on M1 max then m1 pro. And 10-15% less battery life on light using like youtube browsering then m1 pro
@remy8587 2 жыл бұрын
@Vslow I also want t know that. @@jshio1563 where your numbers come from?
@jshio1563 2 жыл бұрын
@@remy8587 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jqp4htdz1ZPOc6M.html
@russspeiser4540 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that. This is the comparison I was waiting for and well worth it.
@billyhughes9776 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible comparison. Great work man -- hats off to you. Thanks.
@mt4design2 2 жыл бұрын
While I appreciate the video and 3D tests there is much more to being a creative pro. However, honestly, every content creator and channel are doing the same tests. How about tests doing large scale graphics with Photoshop PSB files? How does 16 vs 32 or 64 gigs of ram compare then? Applying effects to multi-layer Illustator files? Can you give real world examples that will allow graphic designers, digital artists and art directors to see how additional ram and Pro vs Max architecture perform in such everyday workflows.
@cobymarcum1442 2 жыл бұрын
Collaborations with full time graphics professionals and other computer intensive workflow practitioners can yield real-world test results that would benefit the channel and viewers
@generalben 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and I’m yet to see anything other than casual mentions of After Effects, which surely is a big part of any video workflow.
@AlumarsX 2 жыл бұрын
@@generalben seriously
@hawaiiopihi 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a very interesting video however it would be good if it was a more apples to apples comparison. With the difference in the memory and hard drive, it’s difficult to isolate the weak points of the Max configuration system. Specifically for those that are purchasing and need a specific recommended configuration, it’s still difficult to know what combinations of CPU, GPU, memory are best. For example, it’s only $400 more to upgrade to the max chip. But is that the weak point or is it a ways to spend money for the 32 GPU, or 32 GB memory?
@zanehutchison7304 2 жыл бұрын
You have to have 32GB RAM with the max chip
@raf2095 2 жыл бұрын
This tests are for people that have some knowledge about computer parts (know how do they influence results) and can make theirs own decision. It is imposibble to compare every single model but I guess there are videos with pure recommendations for amateurs.
@CosmoSkerry 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like an apples to apples comparison to me 🍎
@suenolan3086 2 жыл бұрын
As I am new to computing your presentation is a real eye opener...I had no idea the intricacies of computer speak!...I must pause the video to read/analyse what is being said...but the more I watch the more I will learn...with thanks to your team!
@aapalessandro3449 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your reviews. A really good, comprehensive and exhaustive job. The model comparisons are well done, in order to facilitate the decision making process for a potential purchase.
@larrylefkowitz4859 2 жыл бұрын
You do some really amazing reviews. All the tests you do are very revealing, and your enthusiasm is infectious. But I’m surprised by your conclusion. With your Max configuration, you’re getting twice the SSD storage, twice the ram, faster memory bandwidth, twice the GPU cores, and clear performance improvements. You’re judging the Max on your own expectations of performance (“if it has 2x the GPU cores, it should also have 2x the performance”) If you’re doing challenging pro video workflows, that 3 minute difference you found on one video render adds up when you’re doing them many times in one day. In my opinion, with 2x the RAM, 2x the storage and improved performance, and the time saving over many years of use, the Max is definitely worth the price differential.
@_Frimer_ 2 жыл бұрын
The entry level 16" is the best buy BUT I do not recommend to anyone getting ONLY 512GB SSD. Not only it is slower then 1Terabyte but as the review said it WILL prolong the life of the SSD. Also and most importantly if you are planning to keep this machine for at least 3 years you'll definitely will need the extra storage simply because as the OS evolves and memory hungry apps appear the memory SWAP will be more heavily used so if you stay to be short on storage It WILL slow the performance so you'll be pressed to buy external storage and having to carrying it with you which will add to the already heavy weight of this machine. Also bear in mind you CANNOT upgrade the storage (at this moment unless the likes of OWC comes up with some solution) but don't count on that specially if you'll have extended warranty as it may/will void it. I have on order the base 16" with 1 Terabyte storage added. Can't wait to receive it.
@jjchockey 2 жыл бұрын
I strongly disagree. I have been editing 20-30GB worth of photos from events on a 64GB iPad for 2 years. If you utilize cloud storage you just need enough local storage to upload the files and for all of your applications. 512GB is more than enough. I won’t even use half of that let alone 1TB. Cloud storage is also better because I can access and edit all of my photos from my phone, iPad, MacBook or literally any computer connected to the internet.
@mprajo 2 жыл бұрын
@@jjchockey try uploading 1Tb of video material to a cloud everytime you work on a project
@TheShadowMan01 2 жыл бұрын
I saw the M1 Max was plugged in withouth the magsafe when he was doing the stress test ..thats strange!
@mini9503 2 жыл бұрын
I have 128GB internal SSD on my windows laptop for running real-time simulations and it's just as snappy as my Terabytes of external SSD storage.
@_Frimer_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@jjchockey Cloud storage is not free and you are more prone to file corruption. Try to access your cloud storage on a plane (provided it even has wi-fi on board) and add that cost. Any remote location you'll be locked out of your files and this happens a lot with photographers and videographers when doing work on Islands and countries with limited access to internet. Also the main point I made is regarding long term use as you may be aware you don't even get 512GB of storage out of the box as the OS will take a good chunk of it and future upgrades will only add to that reduction plus additional apps and media. If it works for you 512GB that's great but I can assure you even an average user will fill that up very quickly without relying on some sort of external storage either cloud(with its limitations) or external drive. And my other point is due to SWAP which most reviews already shown that the OS relies upon when you have 16GB of RAM to perform as fast as (almost) physical RAM. The fact YOU specifically do not need extra storage does not invalidate what I said and I stand by it for the average user who wishes to keep this machine working with good performance for 3 years or more. Also comparing iPad's with a work station like this there's no comparison. No one buys a $3000 laptop if they can do the same type of work out of an iPad unless you have that kind of money to spare which my comment was not directed too.
@rolandgerard6064 Жыл бұрын
Good review, thanks. I went for the M1 Pro 16 inch 1TB, 16GB... very happy with the performance.
@daehyundhwon7142 2 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I've wanted to know. Thanks!
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