That was pretty cool. Definitely pays to listen to viewers once in a while, I've been humbled a few times trying their suggestions.

I can't believe this isn't more widespread knowledge, I've never heard of it and those results are game changing.

I have used this mix for over 40 years. Worst problem is it will freeze if used in wintertime. The most powder put through a barrel without cleaning is one pound. I soak patches not spray. Each time you push a ball down you clean the barrel.

I was really expecting this to be an utter disaster. Boy if they had dawn in the 1800s, it would have been used for the military.

My opinion of Dawn Dish Shop is it's the best stuff since beer in bottles. I use it as a Black water tank cleanser in my RV. Works great there, too, as well as a handy, safe cleanser for my shop . I'm thinking this is the most underappreciated product ever!!

Very interesting. I use dawn dishsoap and hot water to clean my flintlock barrel after a full day of shooting. I never would have thought to use it as a patch lube. Thanks for sharing the idea.

Thanks for promoting the sport. We need more guys like you.

You can run these patches every third shot and you get close to the same results, and you don't get quite as slimed. A baggie with sponged dampened with the mix makes for a quick press the patch into the sponge and go operation. Just don't get the sponge dripping wet. Just my two cents, feel free to ignore. lol

When you get a little older, the sleep thing will become a little more apparent to you.Getting old can really SUCK!!! As one of my doctor's quoted a patient(the only thing golden about my senior years is my PISS!!!) Love your videos and thanks 👍👍 for sharing your vast black powder knowledge with us.

I've always used Hoppe's No. 9 Plus to lube the patches and it has the added bonus of cleaning the bore as the ball comes up the barrel. This stuff allowed me to shoot a 40 shot match with out swabbing. This included the time between matches, when the rifle just sat in the rack..After the change in the Hoppe's formula it had been just OK. I tended to need a swabbing a couple of times. I have been interested in a new patch lube and will give this a try.. PS. Patch lube seems to be one of the greatest mysteries of muzzle loading. Everyone uses the BEST stuff ever and if you have a problem with fouling the first thing that is asked is " What patch lube are you using?" When you answer..They get a sad expression, roll their eyes and say "Well there's your problem!

I have heard over the years about people using this but never tried it. Thanks for trying it and for the video. Don't think I will be using it, too slimey for me. I use Ballistol and water 1 part Ballistol to 4 or 5 parts water and get the same results, shoot all day without cleaning, and its not slimey. Thanks for all your videos I like the way you do them - no BS and right to the point of the subject.

Dawn dish soap will take crude oil off a baby seal. It makes sense that it would basically clean the barrel a bit with every shot.

Just remember to not stick the patch in your mouth. Unless Meemaw catches you dropping the F bomb.

Love the period correct ASE Certified duds!

That's one way to do it. It basically cleans the barrel every time you ram a ball home and, if the patch is not soaked too much, it won't significantly harm the powder. For a hunting load, I'd use a waxed wad or cardboard tab between powder and ball, though. The other way is the greased patch. 50% beeswax, 50% _unsalted_ vegetable margarine. Change proportions slightly based on weather: little more beeswax for hot weather, little more margarine or olive oil for cold weather, no need to loose your sleep on exact perchentages, it doesn't matter that much, just keep the mix consistent each shooting session. What this does is keep fouling very soft. The ball will go down the bore smoothly. If it starts to feel gritty and dry, you are using too little grease on the pacth, or your grease is too solid for the weather. Again, the end result is you can shoot all day long. I used grease pills of the same mixture between 20 grains of FFFg Swiss powder and round ball in my Uberti 1851 Navy, lubed abundantly (arbor and mechanism) with jojoba oil, which is a modern ethical substitute for sperm whale oil used back then (exact same composition), and the maximum number of shots I fired was 16 cylinders (96 shots), and stopped firing only because I ran out of powder. Last cylinder went just as smooth as the first one, just as accurate. I could have gone on firing till the cows came home. Personally, I like the greased patch better as I don't like the idea of regularly putting water down the bore (that patch seems to show reddish traces of rust), but that's me and I didn't perform any scientific or near-scientific test on the subject, so maybe it's just in my head and there's nothing real to it.

OK, I'm impressed. Next time I bring my flintlock to the range, I'm going to have to try this. Thanks for the info. Update, August 9th… Finally, got a chance to visit the range with my Lyman trade gun and I tried this out. Damn, it worked really well. Once again, thanks for the heads-up.

Dawn dish soap was also the preferred means of cleaning off oily birds and animals from oil spills back in the 1970s, and I hear tell it's still at the top of the list of preferred products for this use.

Yes you stated the same as I do. It not shooting without swabbing, it is swabbing for every load. Now with that being said I'm jealous! Because my old super secret formula over the years was Thompson center #13, which means I spent way too much money.

When you showed the recovered patch with the unburnt powder stuck to it, it made me wonder how much unburnt powder was blown out the barrel behind it. To me, it seems the 50/50 mix of DAWN AND WATER would work ok if you were loading and shooting as fast as you can, but I'd hate to see what would happen in a hunting type situation where the rifle is loaded for maybe several hours before it's fired. I tend to think that lube/cleaner would contaminate a lot of powder and also maybe create a plug in the barrel. I have used liquid dish soap and hot water for years to clean my Black Powder Firearms and also antifreeze /coolant for your cars and trucks as black powder cleaner and all kinds of diabolical mixtures of stuff for Black Powder cleaning and lube. Some worked, and some didn't . What I found out is that most of the commercial stuff is just as good as anything I came up with for use with my Black Powder Firearms and the shooting the same. Now I do make my own bullet lube for my cast bullets for my Black Powder cartridge firearms. I also make my own paper cartridges for my cap and ball pistols. While most that make paper cartridges for their pistols complain about unburnt paper or ashes left in their cylinder chambers , I do not with my way of making mine! I guess what I'm trying to say is, " I welcome hearing what others do or make, but I take it with a grain of salt until I try it myself or figure out if I already tried it or tried it and maybe used other ingredients or so. Hell! At over 50 years of shooting, hunting, competition shooting, and

I routinely shoot a 30+ shot patched ball match with "slimy patches" Often a mix of the cheapest hand lotion I can find and Ballistol or water. Mix to taste. Also Murphys Oil soap and water mix. Haven't tried the Dawn concoction. I think you are correct, cleans the bore each swab, and helps keep what fowling remains soft. The problem I run into is not the with bore but with the combustion chamber. It gets so lined with fowling that I notice the ball, even with firmness won't seat as deep., I've taken to running a dry clump of tow on a worm down into the chamber (and twisting) every 10th shot or so to keep the chamber from fowliing too badly, the tow comes out loaded with fowling. At the matches we always have a loading table so I have a rag handy to keep my hands dry. A side effect is that my hands are very clean at the end of the match. I've tried the pre lube idea and kept the patches in a jar, but they it's just as fiddly. If you leave the jar or baggy open the patches dry out, and if you keep the container closed then its just a fiddly as lubing for each shot. I doubt hunters would want a wet patch next to their charge while they were waiting for a shot. I have occasionally experimented with a light cardboard wad on top of the powder, but don't think it matters for patched round ball off hand shooting. As for all day... well that's a relative thing, the match's last two or three hours, and it seems like all day..

Looks like it works pretty good, thanks for sharing!

I use 50% Murphy's oil soap and 50% 409 degreaser. You can clean your barrel with it too. You can shoot all day without fouling. But every 4 or 5 shots, I run a couple patches down the barrel to clean it. My whole group used our concoction then when our competitors found out...they started using it too. It works wonderfully. I used my empty cap container and soaked my patches in that. Used pillow ticking round patches...they fit perfectly.

Dawn is fantastic stuff. I use it for pretty much every damn thing. In the haz waste industry we would buy it by the drum and use it in pressure washers to decon / degrease everything including concrete floors. Passed lab tests every time.

Very good results. Hard to argue with success

Well that stuff really works thanks for sharing, i've learned a lot more with this channel abouth BP muzzleloading than i thaught. Thanks!

Thank you for putting this video together. When you conduct these experiments and share your results, it really helps others who are considering the method but may not have the ability to conduct the tests. Excellent job and great results with that technique.

I never would have thunk that it would have worked but by golly it did. Thanks for this video and I'm sure I'll be trying it myself. When you first said that it was dish detergent and water my first thought was, won't it wet the powder and lo and behold at the end you shadowed a shot patch, cool, I'm sold.

Well I'm happy to see it does not affect your accuracy I am 52 years old now and been cleaning black powders since I was nine with Dawn so it doesn't surprise me but did not know you could use it as a formula for Grease or Lube

My dad is big into blackpowder and got me into it some he knew about this. Thanks for trying it out.

I've built some kits. Just enjoy watching to support your channel,family first ,they are more important than this KZfaq channel. They are more precious than gold at this age. We'll watch the videos when you post them

I'll definitely be trying this, thanks for putting out this vid and all your other vid's you are putting out great info without any BS.

I'd never heard of this before, that was super cool and a very handy thing to know. Thanks for posting this up!

I love this channel!!!!! I learn something very important every video!!!!!!!

Uh, yea... Never knew this was an argument. I've found that any slippery, water-based patch lube or cleaner will do this. Dish soap, Simple Green, XYZ brand BP cleaner, etc. all do the same thing -- soften & swab the fouling as you load. Most of the time, spit is fine up to about a dozen shots or so. It isn't as good but good enough. I carry a 2 oz squeeze bottle with me hunting that fits perfectly fine in my small hunting kit. Besides being a good cleaner & lube, it also gets used as a quick spot scrub if I happen to touch poison oak. Where the dish soap fails me is with flintlocks that have a chambered breech. The fouling simply continues to build in the breech since the patch can't reach it. It doesn't take more than a dozen or two shots to build up enough crud to get something that will cause a blockage of some kind. Percussion sparks get injected with enough force to blow past any of these blockages but my flintlocks can't manage to clear them without disassembly.

Definitely will be trying it!!!

I was immediately going to troll you about mixing by volume, but you beat me too in the the video. I got nothing else. Looks very effective.

Jake I totally agree with the comments you have made here. I watched a fellow shooter use this patch lube method yesterday at our range and after 10 rounds he swabbed the barrel and you could hardly see any fowling. Mate I am now convinced this is a simple and effective patch lube and performs even better than the Hoppes #9 traditional black powder gun bore cleaner I use as a lube!

Well , been useing that 50/50 mix for muddy labs and great Danes , brake wheel dust , washing hands outside , oil stains on drive ways , cleaning car interiors for shampooing , now I can use it for this , going to try it out on next range trip , well done.

*Jake, thank you for that. I had forgotten that old trick. And, I might combine it with another idea. I might try the very snug 'half inch tall' .510" diameter 'dry/un-lubed' fiber or vegetable 'over powder wad'.... 'down bore, first' in CVA Optima stainless v2 {so called 50 cal.} actually .499" bore .511" grooves , followed by soap and water patched ball.... or pair of patched round balls. Yes, even in a fast twist 1:28 stainless barrel, over a 'moderate charge' of real black powder. Heavy Magnum charge in fast twist with patch and ball ? Not likely to be accurate. So, moderate charge to avoid spin +speed= ripping through patches. Dry fiber or vegetable wad 'to keep powder dry' might also serve as a dry bore mop and prevent burned patches. Then soap and water patch on the balls. Sometimes, two balls are better than one. And , in a 45 or smaller.... sometimes three balls are better than one... if we remain 'sensible' with the powder charge. The multi-ball load works well for coyotes and cougar. Not vastly dissimilar to 410 bore '000' buckshot.*

Very nice,gonna give it a try this weekend.

I will certainly give that a try.... It makes sense when you think about it, each load swabs the bore... the detergent just makes the "spit" more effective.... Brilliant.... I reckon we could Pre-soak the patches to avoid having to use the bottle, as long as they weren't too wet. Interesting to see the few grains of unburned powder, I did wonder about that..... Brilliant!

Just found your channel and enjoying your videos. By recommendation of the fellow who built my flintlocks I've been using Birchwood Caseys muzzle magic and Hoppes black powder patch lube and bore cleaner mixed 50/50 for years as a patch lube and it does exactly the same as you experienced here. Just shoot all day you are cleaning your gun as you shoot.

I use Dawn and hot water to clean my black powder guns after shooting. Takes it down to the bare metal easily, then a quick re-oil and they're like new. I'm not surprised it is doing a number on fouling down the barrel, though I'd be careful about rust down here in the deep south. For this kind of shooting it looks to work a treat, but for hunting, where the barrel is going to go for a while between shots, and the way that Dawn removes oil, it could be problematic. Nice idea to have in the kit bag though.

I use what I call Moose Milk. Moose Milk: 1/2 Cup Ballistol, 1 Ounce Murphy's Oil Soap, 2 Cups water.

I knew it was only a matter of time until Big Soap got to Jake.

I'm just a damn smokeless guy but I love the channel.

I use windshield washer fluid to clean my BP rifle. Place a cleaning patch on the nipple and let the hammer down on it, pour in some fluid and let sit for a short time then use a cleaning patch on a rod and slowly pump it up and down making sure to wrap a dry cloth around the rod as it will bring the fluid up. Remove the cleaning patch from the nipple and pump out the fluid. Dry with cleaning patches and spray oil inside and out. 40 years with no rust and doesn’t freeze when winter shooting!

I'm waiting here in the street....at high noon... just waiting.... he will be here soon.... the crisco kid will be here, lol.

My dad went mostly deaf from working on the flightline for Boeing. And shooting every weekend. So I grew up always wearing plugs or muffs even when running tools like lawn mowers. I had good hearing until about 60 when I got a virus from a tick bite. Lost 100% in the left and 80% in the right. A tick bite. After shooting a few 100,000 rounds from .22 to .54 cal. It was a lack of bug spray that got me.

thanks for trying it Jake, as far as accuracy, it is as good.at 50 yds or 100 yds and groups just as good as anything else. we usually wet the patches and put them in a plastic snuff can and load from that. but spraying is fine also just soapy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I watched him...Jimmy didn't flinch.

This channel has some great stuff thanks.

Good test I shoot a whole match with my recipe 20 shots with out cleaning but have a few more ingredients. I use blue water soluble cutting fluid, simple green , hoppes # 9 and water and your correct it cleans the barrel very shot !

I'm enjoying your show.i presently trued to find a cast mold for 45 long colt and ran into a wall trying to buy one.just bought 1pound of 4350 for 30.06 holy moly it's getting spendy.thanks what you do .

That is definitely cool. This is a game changer I use Olds Eynsford in my Pedersoli .54 Cal. Frontier and after the third shot It's impossible to load without swabbing the barrel once or twice. If it takes a bit of Dawn and water to allow me to shoot to my hearts content, then count me in.

thank you for your content man its really helped me out alot with powder making

When I’m going to be shooting for extended periods I put dawn and water in a jar and put some patches in and take them for swabbing between shots. I really like it for cleaning the bore. I am going to have to try it for patch lube.

Great video! Looks like it's worth a try.

Hello dear gentlemen from Everything Black Powder. It was a nice clip. Very nice of you to show the round ball patch so we can see what condition the patch is in, what size it is and how big the holes are for this 50 or 54 caliber flintlock firearm. Thank you for the video

great job thanks i will try it!!!

Hey, Jake I shoot 50 cal TC it was a diy kit never finished .I shoot 20 shots at meet with patches coated in bore butter I know it seasoned the barrel. I use it as post clean protection. Love Channel

I was skeptical at first. Now I’ve got to try it myself.👍🏻

Good for mounting tires too

That was all good useful information, But I am more impressed with your flint. All those shots going off every time. I usually end up cleaning my flint with a alcohol patch. Very impressive. You are very good with your videos too.

Sorry to the ipa fans but that icky nasty beer is only fit for target use

Ya know i might not always agree. But dang even as a patch and ball pyrodex shooter this ones got me impressed, new video in my future? WOW

I have what I think is great for patch lube...and you can clean with it. I use 50% Murphy's oil soap and 50% 409 degreaser.. it has worked quite well for me and the club I was in.

Nice video Jake, I have been using this soap lube for years and shoot a muzzle loading match every month with it in fact tomorrow. Our matches are a minimum of 25 shots and I never swab until the match is over. I do keep my pre lubed patches in a small pellet tin this keeps the water from evaporating. I have not seen any accuracy issues with this lube or I would not use it. Looks like you guys are having fun…

wow ! I will try it myself ! im impressed !

Well, I learn something new once in a while, eh? As you guys have experienced, I've heard such claims before and tried the "new" lube or "seasoning", and of course FAIL, but after watching you guys with this stuff..., this actually performed as promised.

I swear I saw a few bubbles come out with the shots you took.

Thats what I use when I first start cleaning my barrel when I'm done shooting for the day. I oly use one ounce of Dawn to a half gallon of water.

Informitive vid, thanks.

Great video

Good Video Fellas, I would've thought there would have been more contaminated powder with that mixture myself.

Okay - definitely slimy feeling. But by golly, I have to say it works. 53 shots this past weekend without any need to stop and clean the barrel. Not sure I'd be comfortable with it as a hunting load, but it is definitely the way to go on the target range.

Butt no doubt about it, looks like it is excellent for range use

Nice. I get the same result by using Birchwood Casey 77 cleaning solvent. Like Jake said, it's just like swabbing the bore with every shot.

Interesting, I'll have to try this out when I get out to the range assuming I remember.

I've been using a felt wad soaked with 50/50 bee's wax & tallow in my .32 cap lock (the very same as my .31 revolvers). Previously it was near impossible to load after 2 shots without spit patch cleaning (using Goex FFFg). Perhaps a combination of the the two methods will be better still. You always have good vids, many thanks!

Tried 5-/50 dawn and water in my 45 cal flinter it worked great shot 25 rounds. The first three from a rest at a 40 yard paper target using 65 grain of Goex 3f. Tight group at 40 yards. Then shot steel targets until the last three shots back on paper still very accurate at 40 yards and the last shot went down just as easy as the first. The only thing it is very slimmy. I lubed 100 patches with 2 oz. of the mix in a container.

I've never found anything that really makes more than 3 shots at best. I have been into BP using the Holy Black since the mid 1970s. My favorite is Tallow, Bee's wax, Murphy's Oil Soap and a little Crisco. A brush or patch turn the barrel down to dump loose fouling and keep going

That's what we used to clean our guns with, so each time you run a soapy patch down, your cleaning the barrel.

My wife, "Mommy Dearest" has me washing the dishes using Dawn dish detergent, and I have to say that the Dawn is excellent at getting the grease off of the dishes and pots and pans. I started using it to clean my Smoke Poles with scalding hot water, and the stuff does a good job of getting rid of the residue. I have been using bore butter on my patches, but I do swab the bore after a couple of shots, unless I am hunting. I wonder just how much powder in the barrel does not do its job of exploding being coated with dawn and water. I think I'll stick with what has been working well for me for a good long while. Load a dawn patch up and leave it in the barrel for a few hours and see how things happen.

Excellent outcome! Love it when something inexpensive and easily available actually works. I have shot several 40 round matches just spit-patching and no swab needed. 70 grains Goex 3f, Lyman Great Plains .54 caplock (1:66), CCI Magnum caps, round balls, and washed pillow ticking patches cut on the muzzle. Conditions were hot and low humidity. I kept the loose end of the ticking roll in my mouth while shooting, so it was well saturated with slobber when the time came to recharge. I run a ball/ patch combo loose enough that I don't need a ball starter, and that 40th shot loaded a little tough, but not hard enough I needed to bang on my ball (ow). I suspect that whether or not the spit patch works is largely dependent on the type of rifling and how tight the shooter's patch/ projectile combo is, as well as possibly the patch material.

That was an interesting video. Thanks. I can’t help but wonder, if moisture would work it’s way into the powder somewhat, especially if you didn’t shoot it right away. I wouldn’t want to use them when hunting. I’m a spit user myself, so I can equate to sometimes running out of spit, as you mentioned. When I’m target shooting, I always add some cream of wheat on top of the powder. That might prevent moisture from getting to the powder too. Thanks again and keep the interesting videos coming.

Thank-you

Wondering if soaking the patches then letting them dry up, would keep it from fouling any powder and being limy. Also maybe using bar soap of some king: melt it, soak the patches, then let it harden... and that was a great thing to see! THANKS!!!

I use 1 cup of Dawn 1 cup Murphy’s oil soap and 9 oz of hopes. In a gallon jug and fill with water. Shoot all day at .Bp shoot. I will add food coloring mostly green and red. I presoak patches and put in sandwich bag..

Spit patch for shooting, I never have to swab the barrel, all day. I’ve been using original formula windex for cleaning but I’ll try dawn. But what I like about windex is douching down my revolvers after every second or third cylinder full,

And as always another good burst of knowledge learn something new every day if you want to granddad always said. that's all the bs from myself today really was good to know though keep up the good work you may make it to hollywood one day then again stranger stuff

I have used wonder lube 1000 without issue. Wonder lube does make it easier to clean. It does however take a little bit of effort to "season" the bore to wonder lube. I think wonder lube also has pre lubed patches. Cheers.

What little I know about it, I've read from the guys in the cartridge world who shoot black powder that the easiest way to clean the bore of a gun after shooting a good number of black powder shots is to douse the bore with hot soapy water. The black powder is water-soluble easily. So, from that aspect I assume the 50/50 water and soap is basically a small dose of fouling remover doing its thing every shot, keeping the fouling condition low and steady, beyond the obvious lubrication that Dawn provides. The guys I've seen on Sagebrush Longshots channel shooting 45 cal (rifled) black powder run a wet patch down the bore after every shot, presumably to keep bore conditions consistent.

That is a well used mechanics sink, 27 year auto-mechanic veteran here.

Windex with vinegar is my go to cleaning solution.

interesting video. I've used this as well as a mixture of Simple Green and water to spray on patches. It works as advertised. I still like a more traditional waxy type lube better but if your rifle was sighted in with this mixture I see no reason why it would not work. Essentially swabbing the barrel each time you load. Now, the guy with the striped shirt working on snapping his flint on a hot (loaded) rifle was making me really nervous the way the muzzle was flagging around and how it was pointed back away from the line. I was hoping it would not go bang back there at the tailgate.

Soft soap maybe plus a little FuFu-Juice (water) should work, too. It is not liquid, more like grease. Hand cream with water content was recommendet in old books. It is more skin friendly.

Im watching this video while preparing for a prostate exam this morn. I should have waited till after! The way you were loading that awesome Kibler over and over almost brought tears to my eyes. Im just glad you had the right lubrication! It really does make life easier. I do enjoy watching the Kibler shoot, and i will be trying that lube mix. Thank you for another great video!

Because for patches I also use the most ordinary medical cotton from the pharmacy, with which cotton and alcohol or alcohol are used to clean wounds from the skin of a person when he has hit or injured himself. And the front-loading pistol or rifle was fired using such medical cotton from pharmacies. But sometimes the compression was lost and it became a very weak shot at about 50, 100m per second. That is, I did not put the amount of cotton as needed and there were gaps between the bullet and the cotton, through which the exhaust gases came out and burned the gunpowder in vain. And there have been losses of gunpowder and energy from gases. And for this, a weak shot was obtained at 50, 100 m per second. Although once with this medical cotton from the pharmacy I managed to achieve about 250-300m per second shot. But it was not by chance that they invented these patches more than 600 years ago and they are used to this day because the effect is clearly lost, there are gas losses from the energy and gunpowder losses if you use fabric that is at hand. And for this, apparently, they make the patches from suitable fabrics in terms of size and density of the fabrics next to each other. So that there is no loss of energy, gunpowder gases, not to burn the gunpowder on empty and to get a weak ineffective shot with a small speed of the order of 50, 100m per second or a little more

I used to use windshield washer solvent. I would pot 50 patches in the old 35 mm film canisters and add enough fluis to wet but not soak. I could shoot all 50 rounds without fouling getting too bad. Easy cleas up with dawn and hot water.