No triangle needed. After drawing, but before confirmation, hit the little minus symbol that pops up. Let's you customize plot size.

It also causes two families to become artisans when upgrading the plots

Wait until this guy realises you don't need to make triangular plot sizes to get double family plots

Do keep in mind that having huge vegi farms also takes away the time spend at the job they are assigned too.

You dont need to make awkward shapes for 2 houses, once u select the plot of land u can hit the minus or plus symbol to increase or decrease the amount of burgage plots on that land, i typicaly build 4 right off the bat as double housing each, also if ur land is infertile make large plots of houses over the top, it ignores the grounds fertlisation rates

I wouldn’t make the plots so long to make it easier for the peasants

Size also matters for orchards. But this also explains why my new settlement isn't doing so hot 😂

This is game changing for me. I always run out of food, fuel is never an issue food is always an issue.

Farm your vegetables, kids!

I'm pretty sure the burgage plot DOES still consume 2. You can check the actual consumption at the market. I had 4 unaccounted for food being consumed and I can only guess that my 4 double burgage plots were consuming 1 more each.

I once made an Orchard the size of 4 Morgans to supply my town with apples

Yea I have almost thousand with this strat, but you will get more double plots with more space in the back if you decrease size button after placing four corners then clicking the minus next to the build button. Have fun.

Its funny because in East Europe thats how most villages are set up. Long skinny back gardens for all their veggies, fruit and some trees. It provides enough for the houses to sustain themselves but is also alot of work 😂😂😂

The first veggie farms shown are actually ideal size… the massive ones at the end generate less due to walking. And u only need to select less plots to make double housing.

I love how it looks, like everybody has a lil farm, i think I'll make a farming district with this.

I only make super big extensions when the plot is for non artisan jobs. Chickens and veggies grow passively. You don’t need a huge backyard as a blacksmith because it doesn’t affect productivity at all. Level 3 burgage plots double your family capacity. If you have the housing extension, it goes from 2 families to 4 on a level 3 upgrade.

More than enough people talked about it in depth. It's pretty obvious. These Veggi farms are way to long. Considering that every cucumber has to be taken to the home a square is way more efficent. Just because you discover a better way to organize something doesn't mean 'it's broken'. 120 people with 22 months surplus isn't a big deal either. Oh and have fun expanding that town, the roads that go around your veggi farms just cut your efficency even further.

you dont need to make triangles, just make the fronts wider, if you don't like the point that it is anchoring on, put a road there and create a corner anchor spot, repeat until you get the burgage with the extension.

This guy is saving my gameplay

Build a circle road then build those double burgage plots around it, set them to vegs and apples.

you dont have to make burgae plots thin and narrow. i tried making 1 expandable house (double families) with a big backyard plot for veggies on a burgage plot that automatically gives you 8 houses (reduced down to one house) its enough to completely overtake every other food source on the map combined

the most effective burgage plot (for veggies) is square with 2x corpse pit size

I realized that early on my second play through

Long skinny B plots require long "drop the harvest in the box" trips. More commute time. Less picking time than blobbier plots.

double plots are good for veggies that are like 6->8x16->32. only needing like 4 plots to produce 420 veggies a year. which is about 380 extra veggies for trading a year. and after 1 year the price per trade will go from 2silver per unit to 1 silver per unit from over marketing global trades. so in reality you only need 2 x2 plots with 8x32 for maxium yeild of 240 veggies, for a 40 supply and selling 200 veggies a year for 2silver per veggy. costing 2 food+firewood per month. not 1. and scaling to T2 gives 15% faster yeild and work. meanwhile going T3 gives 20% bonus. so not every plot needs to be upgraded to T3. so usually 16 2x5 single plots for chickens, and 2 x2 8x32 for veggies. is a all the start and basic food with wild meat and berries you need which can sustain a 390 populations. and you will need to import berries and meat. so starting import should be berries because 3silver per unit, then veggies for 2 silver per unit, then meat for 3 silver per unit. then as demand changes, you adjust the berry and meat export to inports. and you should sufficently import 20meat and 10 berries of 40. costing 13per meat and 11 per berry. being 260 silver for meat and 110 silver for berries for inport. and then veggies is 100x2 for 200 silver, and chickens is 100x3 for 300. +18T2 = 148silver income per month in food stability to a population of 400. and tinny single chicken plots and only having 2 large veggie plots saves on deforrestations to keep wild animals+berries, to regrow at 100% regrowth rates.

Aaa the days when people where self sufficient

You don't need triangles, but the triangle plots are a great shape to for tight circular towns with good production space

I think they made the food consumption per family with the beta versions (which went on the main branch today)

And the extra family will help with whatever improvement is on the plot, helps especially with a large orchard or farm

This is exactly what I needed to find out, I have a population of over 900 but 0 fuel and food and trying to fix it instead of restarting. Oh yeah I forget to mention I am 60K in debt to the king too hahaha!

You can make a large square veggie farm instead of a long triangle if the first two points out of the four are set side by side.

Same deal with apple orchards for the plot size, I have an orchard with 60 trees on it and it goes absolutely insane

I think best thing about this is you get the double amount of veggies with expanded slot with less fuel and food lol

Triangles are a crime against logistics but more importantly aesthetics………

Good Tipp, but this the kinda shit you wanna figure out on your own on like hard mode. designed intuitively!

only downside: you get only 1 regional wealth per plot.

Not for food, just for fuel

more broken, hit - and you dont have to make weird lot sizes

Literally, EVERYBODY who does guides or tips on Manor Lords has spoke about this.. 😂

You also get two eggs per month from chicken coup, two artisans when upgrading , etc. but you also lose both families in the artisan case.

I just wish Manor Lords has the possibilites of merging land areas into one. Towns bordering each other dying because the other isn't helping the other😂

SCP / Horror material right here x')

The stalls starts to under stack if you got too many double family plots

carrots are ok but they wont take them all out in tim before winter so you will have surplus but not that big, need more people who has just small garden with chiken coops to make variety of food and more work force, also add orchard for apples...oh my gosh I now have like 500 apples and carrots even my town is getting level 3 houses and going big

listen, Im sorry but EVERYONE has spoken about this since about 2 days after the release of the game.

That's exactly how I do each playthrough at the start. Except I don't use triangles, I hit the minus button until all houses are double. At lvl 3 that huge vegetable patch has 4 families working it

Your town is looking like an actual medieval division of farmland with those long narrow strips . Go figure

Yeah but mining makes good profit too and village looks beautiful without enormously big burgage plots imo

This is what I do, I’m several years in and still haven’t built an actual farm, my homes all over produce and I make a killing in the market

people didnt know this? i do this every city. every plot i make it so you can double up the families, as well as make sure you have a veggie plot. and you dont have to make it a triangle. thats actually not efficient. just hit the minus icon.

million things broken in this game that's why i just refuned it the EA label says "fully featured already"

golden tip

Thats brilliant... brilliant

Wait, doesnt it make the multiple burgage plots if its big enough and then still costs 1 food and fuel per each plot anyway Or is it beint pointed out that a plot with the housing extension still costs the same as the plot without it?

No. Just make 3 rectangle plots with backyards. Small of chickens/goats since the size doesn’t matter but bigger if it’s veggies or apples since you get more yield per size of the extension. Once you have 3 hit the minus and it’ll go to 2 with extra families inside. Don’t do this for artisan houses as it’s wasting families though

FUUUUUUUUUCK. Thanks for the tip 😊

just be sure to have single-family houses about for crafting homes so you do not lose extra family members to that job for no gain. As everyone in that house will do that job. But 100% every other house you build should be a double and on maps where farming is bad do not even bother with it just make larger ones with vegies and apples.

works with apples also

Pretty sure the math is to make a veg garden 0.5-0.7 Morgan size and the apple farm 1.5 Morgan size This is one per 15 people families

Just make them L shaped by laying out a house then make the L around it and delete the first building. These super long ones are inefficient

That's usually to know, why the barrel icon is always so low in my gameplays. But what are the ways to increase the amount? ❓

They actually consume food per family. Also your veggie farms shouldnt be long and thin, because they have to walk back with one veggie each. Output is 1.5x with proper sizing. Apples behave the same, but I found it can take twice as much land to maximize (1.5 morgen orchards easily for a T3 double family). Also use the +- instead of triangles.

The triangular thing is so stupid just press the minus to minimize the plot

long/skinny sucks for veggies, takes them longer to harvest cause they have to run back and forth from the home to drop off the veggies.

When you make them too long they never finish harvesting all the vegetables and you lose alot.

bro that's broken I am gonna try it today :D

the veggies just rot after they fill their pantry they dont bother digging them up after that. You might get a few extra if they sell some at markey but deffinatley not owrth making them to big. The oonly time it is worth it is if you want to sell them.

Yeah i have around 5k veggies surplus 😂

W8 wait really this updated or fix or still the same?

Vegetables are OP

and then you will lose double the families to a single business when you build it it that plot lol and all those people wont do anything else. This is not exactly that broken.

I see $pepe i subscribe

You have to much veggy farms only need one of 0.5 to 0.8 for like 20 plots, if u get 2 u already made it.

I didnt know this. but it will be fixed

Don’t make the veggie plots too big when starting a new town or the resident in that plot won’t be able to do anything but farm

song name? lol

Yeah but do I want my village to look like a bunch of stretch marks? Naaaahhh

You obviously arent playing on challenging mode, you will see zero veggie gardens because you need every single family on their assigned job as much as possible, chicken or goats are far superior as yr families waste zero time plus you get free goods you can eat, craft or trade, but most importantly, yr families need to be 100% active on yr stalls. Finally even tho good teleport from stalls to homes, homes still need to be as close to yr important buildings as possible as they walk to and from them, and you can exponentially fit WAY more in closer and over time be FAR more efficient with family travel times.

The triangle is unnecessary, make a square or rectangle and hit the minus sign until every plot has 2 houses

Dude, we play the game to relax, for art and architecture, that's not our goal. You always built the same house. In fact, it would be great if you could build cities in kingdoms.

People's obsession with vegetable farms only means that they will be nerfed into the ground. So enjoy it while it lasts I suppose.

Wait until u figure out that any house with veggies,goats,chickens,apples...if you put any of those families on a job theyll leave their job to go handle their plot responsibilities. Dont need to go crazy with the veggie plots.

There is still to many mechanics that makes the game “unrealistic” hope it will be fixed

How about the eggs though? I know they don’t scale with how big the burgage plot is but are they viable for your smaller plots?

Broken or shitty medieval life

But, if your peeps are tending to veggies, they can't work their regularly assigned jobs. It's a hidden penalty for big veggie plots.

Ok ok

But it looks stupid. Dont play for efficiency or to win. I just build beautiful villages.

The reason no-one talks about it, is because it's a realism based game. You probably can abuse things, but that's not the point, is it.

What

The exploits kinda ruin it for me tbhm feels like cheating. People will just say "then don't use them" but it's in the game, it's weird to force yourself to play worse. It also doesn't make sense anyways, why would the food or fuel suddenly be enough for two families, or 4 at level 3. The carrot farms are also way too strong while the actual farms seem really finnicky to use

@stratgaming is this true?

Meh too gamey

Why do his vegetable fields look like happy trails

He sounds like a socialist urban planner.

Man why soooo many veggies? You will not sell them, you will not eat them all, and when you’ll upgrade the plot you need food variety… im just asking, no hate, you do not plan to expand that into town?

Do goats and chickens also scale of plot size or is it the same for all sizes?

OP needs to be watching some other videos, his set up is less than ideal ;-)

A little too broken, makes game too easy

this is false informatiion.