Here before LagSpike's inevitable wall of text/sarcasic one-liner

Lagspike talks about Peri as if she permanently has the battle and visitation seals in her inventory

You know you could've asked me I could've given you one of the Peri works I've gotten for thumbnails

More than 4 units being talked about in the video? Unheard of! /s All jokes aside, the Selena segment really resonated with me. She’s one of the most fun unpromoted units to train because her kit is so fun. Early Beruka friendship makes her skyrocket into a very fun Wyvern Lord and I just think it’s funny to have an early promotion Selena be a rallybot (Speed from Falcon, Skill from Bow Knight and Def from Wyvern). Her laugh crit quote is really charming too. I’m not sure if the two of you mentioned it before, but are the Gen II units going yo be tiered? It’s so hard to find content about optimising them, so I’m hoping we will get something for them. At least Ophelia, Percy and Soleil should make for interesting unit discussions.

One niche and cool thing about Peri is she's used atleast twice for boss kills in the 0% ltc. Once for chapter 13 takumi and then again for Zola in chapter 18. Not super relevant for tiering but its nice to see since both cases make use of bloodthirst to the fullest.

Woo glad it is back this week I really enjoy this teir list because I have probably spent the most time in conquest and enjoy the discussion on the characters

I’ve been really looking forward to this.

Perfect timing on finishing my papers! Time to chill, play Rev, and listen to Conquest unit tiering 😊

Countercurse does actually have one 'benefit' over countermagic, it also works on player phase.

Ah Bekura, funny how despite being not terrible, she's outclassed as a wyvern by both her fellow retainer and princess. I've liked her as a character and a unit for a while now, so I try to make her work even if that's not "optimal" and hey more wyvern riders means more fun! I think. Selena is also one of my favrioute characters and honestly I've started to come around on Camilia, if only because she's a great unit to use. Fates just has a lot of characters that are fun and it makes figuring out which ones I wanna use pretty tough, though the fact that marriage is a thing gives me an excuse to use nearly all gen 1 units, even if some are only pairup bots.

I've been STARVING for this!

Its nice to listen to zoran again

"Much worse Leo" is one of the most damning phrases I think I have ever heard.

I don’t expect her to appear on the list, but I’m curious where you guys would rank Anna (DLC), assuming she’s recruited around chapter 10. With some of the highest growths in the game, she almost feels like the quintessential utility unit with access to locktouch, healing and money farming, but obviously limited with Corrin being her only marriage option

i can fix her

About Beruka: One thing that I love doing with Beruka is, while pairing Beruka with Selena (or Camilla), going for a Berserker route. Not only it makes Selena even better than she already is (because Berserker pair-up bonuses are nuts), but getting access to Axefaire makes her really good, both for chipping (especially if you have Savage Blow as well + Trample, with a hand axe) and general combat. And if you are going for the favoritism route, you can do silly shit like: WK > Hero > Berserker > Malig > Wyvern Lord. Grab Str +2, Lunge, Sol, Axefaire, Trample. All with the base classes from Beruka. No marriage required for any of this. So she is kinda flexible for a marriage candidate, giving Wyvern for who needs it, while not needing anything for herself. She can actually do the Takumi-killing as well with a set-up like this (and a brave axe). Not that it would change any of the ratings, I would still put her where she is, but it's my perspective from my favorite unit on this game :3

I would like to add to beruka, that being she just has native access to literally “the dream” physical combat unit classes and that if you want to take her into very good combat status it’s very direct and simple.

at last, we get to hear about more units than can be counted on one hand

This Kaze < Selena LIE will not stand

i had no idea about her personal just being rally. makes me want to try using her even less

editor mekkah loves to do a little trolling

Some of my favourite units being tiered today. Mozu is probably my favourite trainee in the series. I think this is a good placement for her, I've seen a few tier lists lately put her like high-mid A tier which is just too much considering her drawbacks. One thing I love about Mozu is that she's a unit who joins early who can hit important endgame benchmarks even if she promotes fairly early, giving her quicker access to the amazing skills she gets in her natural class line. I really love using Selena. I think she demonstrates why Fates' class system is really good. Units aren't completely dependant on what their starting class is, but you also can't just make any unit any class, which prevents units from feeling near-identical. Peri is a unit in Fire Emblem Fates.

When I use Nyx, 1. I like to Friendship Seal to Archer, 2. build to rank D bows + Arms Scroll to rank C, 3. give her a Shining Bow once Shop level 2 unlocks, 4. promote Sniper to level 5 (for Certain Blow), 5. then Heart Seal to Adventurer for the rest of the game. From there, she can one round many enemies, and be an backup healer. Obviously, it's a lot of effort to get A support and get rank C in bows, but that's why would only do this if you want to use Nyx.

The Virgin Xander retainers vs. the Chad Leo and Camilla retainers

Are u gonna do a version for birthright or revelations (perhaps with other people)?

S TIER MOZU SWEEP LET'S GOOOOOOOO

peri would love to have an acceptable magic stat and also for bolt naginata to exist

Wait they actually did all the units in one video, Is Editor Mekkah lying or was it actually possible.

Erika works great for me as a sol master ninja. She gets there through Selena friendship and laze marriage with 0 heart seals and grabs Merc and fighter skills on the way. Her avg stats pan out being pretty close to Silas in the same roll with less str and speed but way more bulk and skill

Common selena w

Lagspike eats today

I like Beruka in Rev for giving Oboro Wyvern Lord(and Malig too since Oboro's magic is servicable)

One benefit to Nyx if we're allowing *some* DLC just not the grinding maps; you mention Odin and Leo both want flight, you could take one of them into Dark Falcon and then take advantage of the Nyc pair up bonuses.

I want to see an informed critique like this for an FE13 tier list. The speedrunning community seems to understand how the game ought to go by this point, but this channel seems like one of the more useful platforms to have it on record.

Should I wait for Elise to acquire Demoiselle before I heart seal to Wyvern in Lunatic?

Ok but where is the part 2 of the radiant dawn tier list review with dondon? I feel like that video just disappeared

When I played birthright my Mozu never went beyond like 25 health. Though she was in Kinshi so she didn't need to engage at one range often.

Mozoo time

Poor lag

Peri in the same tier as nyx is crazy

🅱️ tier for Beruka, of course! It's in the name! Let's go, Be-ru-ka [rhytmic applauses] Moreover, I'll be extra petty right now and say that at least Beruka ended up placed above the one who killed the final boss in the SOYO run hehe 🎉

If only Peri could support Beruka for Wyvern access that isn’t locked behind sacrificing Xander’s marriage to somebody who gives him Dark Mage. If she does become a Wyvern she actually is pretty good with generally good combat stats and an interesting personal, but giving up like Charlotte’s marriage to Xander and making him worse is so not worth making Peri a good enough combat unit, which is just sad.

Mekkah can you please play more than just the golden sun ost this is getting on my nerves

I'm probably thinking too much in an LTC context, but the primary problem I have with Mozu in B is that I don't think she has enough unique utility to ever really save turns in a run, while someone like Nyx has been proven to have such utility in LTC. And at least in the early game, base Outlaw Nyx has just as good if not better bow utility at base with the bronze bow since she can still double/OHKO paired pegasus knights and wyvern riders with tonics in addition to letting you get both chests in chapter 11 without costing turns to move niles around.

Never used Peri myself

I really don't like the Nohrian royal siblings having redundant retainers instead of hiring someone to create better unit coverage. I think Peri would be much more useful if she was Camilla's underling giving her a coverage for a proper lance user, and swapped Beruka in return to give Xander some flying unit coverage.

Peri, the Harley Quinn of Fire Emblem. And not the good, Batman TAS version of Harley. The Birds of Prey movie Harley.

Poor Peri, i put her in harms way by submitting her

Whaaaat? Mozu can almost sweep her chapter though with a Corrin backpack, barring the immobile boss, on Lunatic, potentially without using Tonics, though using them is far, far more consistent.

before watching this video just some initial thoughts, as a conquest novice the only one of these characters that ever stood out to me is beruka. (well and mozu but that's a separate thing, of course she'll stand out if you use her, all or nothing). Selena just feels like bad bases/bad strength/bad weapon, backpack, and yeah. I'm obviously wrong about this judging from previous videos but it is funny (and I really did want to like her as one of the many unique people who liked most popular second gen awakening unit severa. but actually don't even like selena's personality bc bad fates writing). For a clueless player though (judging from the description) I feel like beruka is the best bc she just works and its only with knowledge that her not excelling becomes clearer -- though she has always understandably fallen off for me. What can I say, wyvern rider, how can that not be good, I mean that's been the story so far right? Anyway, excited for this discussion of the not as obviously dominant characters.

Thoughts on all units discussed today: Mozu is great. My playthroughs always go much better with Mozu in my roster. She's so uniquely useful during many of the hardest fights in Conq, as well as just being great in the moment-to-moment. Anti-flier flier units are just peak in Conquest. I'll be honest, nothing Nyx can do can't also be done by Leo or, like, a hammer. Using her is like what some players think using Mozu is like to me. Selena is the underdog of Conq, you work through her flaws and she can be just about anything you want her to be and perform amazingly. Wyvern and Paladin Selena have been my favorite builds, and is a good candidate for stat boosters and the beastkiller. Beruka is solid, and you can make the decision to sac flying for better stats in fighter at a point when flying isn't that contentious (Camilla/Selena/Mozu). Her stat spread makes her one of the best candidates for Hero (I guess). With her skill+gamble she can have about the closest thing to a sol/crit build you can get, but don't think that means you can actually get Selena's personal to work Lazlow having low stats at the unfortunate time he joins almost disqualifies him from being a good unit. The +1/+1 he provides might also not be that useful in the average playthrough to justify continuously deploying him on its own. I mean you just got Peri who naturally gives herself +4/+4/+4/+4, the odds are really stacked against him. Peri is hard for me to use when she joins since my team is already full by this point, but i usually have fun when i use her. Definitely the most fun dance target when you're able to make it count. Her personal w/ a Luna and Wyvern/Ninja reclass could go crazy, but you'll have success running her paladin-only. Amazing series! I really enjoy hearing you guys talk about my favorite FE game!

You can tell this game was lacking content due to all the cut weird stuff. had fun with it but it just felt like you were there for the story not the gameplay. I played conquest and that seems to be more entertaining than the Hoshido route so im glad to say this game was fun while it lasted I guess. I was jumping in hoping for a much more drawn out system with loot money making but it seems to have relied on online gameplay. And since im on 3DS its impossible to experience the online and cut stuff from the game

Selena is the waifu. Definitely didnt have every run with her end up with her drinking 3+ tonics every chapter and still barely doing anything. 10/10 would waste every resource on her again

Beruka and Peri are such sad units, it feels they have inferiority complex. Quick Draw is Opportunist but easier to work with and there's capturable wyverns with it. Camilla will always be the better wyvern but every reclassed wyvern is still better than her. Bloodthirst feels like inferior Vow of Friendship and Chivalry and their user's are the cream of the crop. Their best contribution is always giving their reclass to better units and that's just sad.

I'll edit comments for each character after watching the segment: Mozu is probably C-tier in my book. She has unique investment costs to get going, and while her class access is a unique benefit in Conquest, it doesn't really accomplish all that much that can't be done otherwise (as Zoran said). You even have the option for a midgame Kinshi in Shigure or Azura's husband. Certain Blow is useful, as there are a number of bosses and minibosses with extremely high avoid: Kitaro (chapter 17), Fuga (20), Hana, Hinata. Though I typically promote her directly into Kinshi. Her best husband is Benny, who provides so much defense he actually salvages her bulk. Otherwise she'll remain the least bulky physical unit on the team until well into the late game. I remember the times when Nyx was slotted into mid-tier thanks to the earlypromote Dark Knight strategy and Leo marriage. I've always thought she's the worst in the game, and among the least flexible units to use. Though one thing I'll add is that the earlypromote build is turning a 5 movement unit into an 8 movement one, which is considerable and somewhat unique at the time. But it kills her longterm viability. Weapon experience is so slow that I could never recommend the Shining Bow build. Just use magical Nina for that, or use Ophelia as the frail but speedy mage. Selena is approximately the Conquest version of Leonie from 3 Houses: a tanky speedster who has ways of boosting her damage output. Wyvern probably is the best option for her, because of its overall stat distribution, but I'm convinced Falcon Knight is a close second. A 15/5 Falcon Knight is on track to get Rally Speed roughly at chapter 17: in other words, just after slowpokes who really could use the speed join (Xander, Leo, I guess Keaton too). You technically have other ways of getting that speed, but Rally Speed is easy, consistent, and doesn't take away from any other resources. At that point, she can transfer her lance rank into Wyvern Lord for chapter 19, or transition more into a supportive role via rallies. She also has three high-tier skills to pass to a child: Rally Speed, Darting Blow, Strong Riposte. She's a good mother for pretty much everyone, and any male hoping to become an Enemy Phase tank really appreciates the Hero skills. She's a good, well-rounded unit that rewards game knowledge. Beruka is Conquest's version of Subaki (early flier with high skill and defense but poor offense), but actually in a class that really complements that archetype. Wyvern bases carry her for a few chapters after she joins: her damage looks good (until it falls off), and she can just reach the speed thresholds. That's not going to last, but she'll retain the general utility of flight, hammers, rally defense,and physical defense high enough to take negligible damage from physical enemies. I would still put that in C tier, because you'll likely have several other characters that do those things better, and the part where she is "good" is the easiest stretch of chapters in the game. But that is a moderate amount of utility wrapped up in a character who doesn't need much investment. Laslow: C-tier. It's pretty hard to make his combat relevant (natural access to Sol ninja looks nice, but Soleil does it better). He's kind of good with a Charlotte pairup, but that's true for any male physical unit. While he has a unique rally bonus (and Peri really should have been programmed to have a stackable bonus too), the +1 only rarely moves the needle for thresholds that you can't reach otherwise, and dedicating a deployment slot and an action to keeping it set up has niche but certainly not non-existent utility. Peri: She has very good weapon ranks to start with, giving her immediate access to Armorslayer and Beast Killer. Her 7 movement can actually reach the knights on chapter 13 on turn 1, for instance, which probably makes her the best use for Armorslayer on that chapter. Her bases are somewhat underwhelming, though. She generally needs a speed pair-up early on but wants a bulk pairup later. Her personal pairup bonuses are almost identical to Charlotte's, creating an extremely even stat distribution in all the key stats as Great Knight. Friendships with Selena and Felicia are reasonably good. Between Felicia and the novelty Dark Knight build (Zoran alludes to it), she has better 1-2range options than what you would expect. Dark Knight Peri has a notable speed advantage over Leo and Odin and starts with the sword rank to use Levin Sword. It's a high-investment option that utilizes not-very-contested resources and it does create a somewhat different function to what the straightforward mages do in the class. But her best role likely is to push for one-hit kos, and in that sense you can think of her as an Effie replacement at the point where Effie starts to fall off. Her offensive stats are so high that she actually can push into one-shot thresholds fairly easily with a forged Javelin, and using either Attack stance or a Keaton pairup. I'd put her directly in the middle of the tier list.

My favorite Peri experience is playing the Gay Fates mod and realizing marrying her to Azura is both easy to achieve since you want to maximize Bloodthirst anyway, and it lets her get flight without taking away Xander, and it made her feel way better to use. I wonder how many other units would improve if they weren't burdened by heterosexuality lol

Mozu does 0 damage at base on her joining chapter and gets 1 shot. By the time you reach her, half the map is reasonably already dead along with her 'potential exp'. A heart seal in the early game is a tall ask especially considering she's the only unit at that point doing nothing at base, begging the question why you would even deploy her in the first place (especially in such a challenging and linear game) . And for what immediate payoff? being able to damage fliers (some of the least threatening enemies on ch10) and nothing else? I don't see any other placement for her other than F tier.

One day Mekkah will wake up and realise he's spent over a decade giving way too much of a shit about "being right" about FE, and he'll age 20 years on the spot 😂

This tier list is becoming hilariously bad day by day