Can't wait for 87 minutes of Benny discussion

As a Benny fan I wish he was a good enough unit to be worth discussing for 90 minutes.

To put Benny's Strength stat issues into some perspective, because I think it's kinda hard to see how bad it really is by just looking at him in a vaccum, Benny has 7 personal strengthat level 15 The following units have 7 personal base strength: Beruka, Selena, and Peri You might notice, all of these units join at level 10 instead of level 15 and before Benny does Not only that, Beruka and Selena are frequently criticized for their low strength despite having the same strength as an armor knight who's 5 levels higher than them Leo, a literal mage, has 6 base personal strength In fact Mages are the only units who Benny can beat in terms of strength If you want a list of the personal strength of every unit in CQ at level 15 internal assuming only leveled in the base class ignoring the strength base of that class, because Knight's very high stats are the only thing making Benny look tolerable, it looks something like: Effie - 12.2 Camilla - 12 Charlotte - 11.75 Keaton - 11 Silas - 10.4 Azura - 10.4 Peri - 10.25 Arthur - 10.2 Beruka - 9.7 Jakob - 9.6 Odin - 9.5 Mozu - 9.4 Selena - 9.25 Niles - 9.15 Kaze - 8.7 Benny - 7 Felicia - 3.8 Elise - 2.5 Nyx - 1.9 Benny just flat out has the worst strength relative to his base level of any physical unit in the game, and all the units even remotely close to him (Kaze, Niles, Selena, Mozu) are all units who are notable for their incredible speed, and they're still looking better than him even without that and to make matters worse because if being the literal bottom of the barrel wasn't bad enough, many of the units above him come with skills that augment damage, Selena has Strong Riposte, Beruka has Str+2, Kaze can friendship for something like Elbow Room even if that's not usually worth it, Mozu has easy access to Quick Draw, Jakob's usually known for his ability to pick up damage stacking skills from reclass Benny meanwhile only has 1 damage boosting skill in his entire skill learnset and it's Axefaire at promoted level 15, and he has 0 options for friends to augment his class set to find any other damage boosting skills Getting Benny to double is a comedy joke, but it's a common joke because it's somehow frequently the best way to get him to kill stuff because his offense is so pathetically bad he's pretty much the only unit in Fates who struggles to OHKO enemies with the right amount of stacking and setup Ohh and just to laugh at Benny further, here at Beruka's 15/1 Averages as a Wyvern Lord rounding up at .5: HP 28 | Str 18 | Mag 1 | Skl 22 | Spd 13 | Lck 14 | Def 21 | Res 10 | Mov 8 Here are Benny's stats if instantly reclassed to Wyvern Lord HP 31 | Str 15 | Mag 0 | Skl 19 | Spd 9 | Lck 12 | Def 21 | Res 10 | Mov 8 That's right, aside from 3 HP she is better in literally every way Beruka, the unit who people comment on as extremely well balanced because her poor stats are made up for by her amazing class, has purely better stats in every area compared to Benny, an armor knight tl;dr Benny's strength is pathetic to a degree that is almost comical Benny can still trivialize about 90% of CQ with almost no difficulty because this game is silly like that

Flora heals an aching soul.

I'm grateful that Flora's entire discussion wasn't just "you can capture a generic maid with capped weapon ranks" like a lot of other Fates tier lists. She's far from a great unit, but I disagree with her usual label as the only worthless unit in Conquest.

I think Izana should be above Flora if only because Rally Magic is much harder to get compared to an Entrap user. Forrest and Dwyer are naturally decent Entrap users and will also usually be more accurate than Flora to boot. Other Rally Magic users, on the other hand, are only accessible through Corrin's selected class and, due to quirks with inheritance, a Nyx mothered Nina. Now maybe you want Shrine Maiden Corrin like a certain relay run but usually it's quite difficult to get a different Rally Magic user on team Nohr.

I think one thing that's being slept on for Shura is if you go Adventurer -> Mechanist -> Adventurer after Lv15, you have an Adventurer with Replicate, Pass, Move+1, Rescue Staff access, and pretty good stats to boot. He has a strong start, continues on with being great against fliers, ninjas, mages, golems/puppets with move+1 pair up bonuses and great chip/survivability, and ends on an incredibly useful and unique niche by being two Pass/Rescue users in one unit deployment slot. All for 2 heart seals across the entire game, can do those heart seals almost anytime, no supports needed, no weapon rank grinding required, no stat boosters needed, just works out the box. Also, if you compare him side-by-side with Selena even as Bow Knights, Shura comes out on top in stats. At 15/5 for her and base for Shura, she matches him on Spd/Def and is behind in every single other stat, then at 20 promoted on both she still matches Spd, is +5 on Def, but Shura is +2 HP, +4 Str, +1 Mag, +7 Skl, +2 Lck, +6 Res over her. Plus all the easy access to his other class skills.

Love Charlotte so much.

About Benny: He is sadly so... underwhelming. In Rev he is actually really alright in Hard. Never a top tier unit, but he pulled his own weight sometimes, without ever reclassing outside of General. But if you wanna make him good, he is... funny. Give him Flight (probably Marrying beruka or F!Corrin), give a Partner seal, and pivot him into Malig Knight for skills. Grab Wary Fighter (so his speed is not an issue, and he becomes REALLY tanky), Savage Blow, and have an actually really funny unit with area chip damage AND giving +hit to all of your other units, while having a LOT of movement. Good? Nope. Funny? Yea. It's sad actually, Benny is my second favorite unit just behind Beruka because he is ADORABLE... But maaan he is not that great... :(

Another comment because I’m SO HAPPY the two of you will discuss Gen II. They’re SUCH FUN TO TRAIN! Making a Gen II only run has really made me appreciate some of the inheritance shenanigans going on with them. I’m so so so so so happy I can’t wait for those videos (because I know for sure it’s going to be at least 2, most likely 3 videos lol)

God dammit, now I want to make a Dark Knight Benny just to easily move around a -30 avoid blob.

Your editor loves xenoblade music. It IS the best ;)

Sol maid charlotte 10\10 fun rating

what if shura, izana, and flora came with a level 1/10 skill from one of their second seal options. so flora with heartseaker or malefic aura and such.

Putting Shura below Mozu is the kind of take that feels wild when first analysed, but the more thought you put into it, the more it makes sense. In CQ, Shura lacks his insane Rev bases and the exclusivity of high Speed bow user. In this game, the likes of Niles, Mozu and Bow Knight!Selena can replicate everything he does in his base class with supports and just as good stats. The stats can actually be higher since Shura’s growths are on the lower side. Supports are, to me, the biggest reason why none of the Corrinsexuals* hold up past a couple of chapters after their recruitment. Supports mean better Pair Up bonuses, better adjacent bonuses on Attack Stance and access to new classes, which can make many units skyrocket. The likes of Izana and Shura don’t really have that, so they’re very limited to what they got. Lucky for Shura he has Ninja for 1-2 range with bases that hold up well enough, but that are easily outclassed by Kaze and Ninja!Silas. *Gunter is the exception because of his combo of personal skill + pair up bonuses giving Corrin a great edge in combat. Still shouldn’t be given that much credit because Corrin could probably pick other pair up partners and still one round the enemies that need to be ORKO’d.

I’d like to propose two more targets that are very handy to use Entrap on: the Merchant and Paladin bosses in invasions 2 and 3 respectively. By using the Nestrian castle layout, and putting impassable buildings or even movement lowering ones (Nohrian Glade and Ore Mine), you can seal off the lower entry point of My Castle, which is only accessed by grounded units, giving you the perfect opportunity to Entrap the boss and kill them, thereby stopping reinforcements and making the invasion maps way easier. The Merchant’s more complicated for this, since B staves by ch18 is not very feasible, but you can wait until immediately after that map to recruit Flora, and for Invasion 3 it’s much of the same. I don’t think she should rise since able to Entrap two important threats in grinding maps isn’t huge, but it’s something only she can do with no investment whatsoever, and it does make things quite easier on you (even better is that they are both turn 1 strats, so you can just reset if she misses provided it isn’t an Iron Man).

Understandable to give Benny the whole hour and a half, he's an extremely complex unit with way too many build options.

All the conquest vids have gotten me excited to try it again. Haven't played it since launch, so I'm looking forward to picking it up again.

It speaks to the power of pair up that the Jagen that joins halfway through the game with god awful growth rates is anything higher than literal worst in the game.

I really love Shura. If Niles grows well, Shura becomes boots. If Niles doesn't work out, you get a really solid unit.

Charlottes bulk is literally fine for chapter 17, this is literally a chapter where elise can juggernaut enemy groups, charlottes defenses arent even that bad either, due to her high hp and wyvern class defense base she is actually decent at enemy phasing groups of enemies and also can do some wacky shenanigans on 24 for ep and can also do the hammer ohko strat in chapter 26 with axebreaker + trample.

I like using Keaton. I also don't hack the castle resources in so his personal is appreciated. Though it procs like once in a year.

I think the big issue with Shura is that hes a replacement unit in a game that isnt designed around not reseting. Conquest requires perfect or near perfect play compared to the rest of the series. Unless youre playing an ironman or got rng screwed on your units, shura doesnt get the opportunity to be a replacement unit and shine. Its a shame because when shura does get a spot on the team he can perfom about as good as Kaze or your other bow combat units.

Thanks for showing Flora some respect, I feel like people always downplay her strengths and overemphasize her weaknesses. Once you crunch the numbers it's a lot easier to appreciate what she brings to the table. Love this series! :)

Hooooolyyyy an hour of Benny discussion

Love the Valak Mountain Xenoblade music.

Is there anything to be said for giving Kana Shura's Mov+1? I'm really reaching for utility but it's not something many other marriage partners can provide.

Funny that you mention the movement +1 master ninja because my kaze perished in the chapter i captured him so i said screw it i'm gonna use him instead and honestly it's been turning out great a bit worse stat wise in most aspects except physical bulk but since i generally don't do anything with kaze reclass wise most of the time the skills have been a huge help with grizzly wound contributing a lot. It's also the first time i took the boots over shura. Shura as a unit looks impressive in the first map he's avaliable and probably the next one or 2 maps then it falls off hard. There are a few people i've seen argue him over boots so i got the impression most people were in that camp nowadays but i guess i was mistaken. So yeah gave my boots to Corrin and i haven't looked back. I've been tempted to do clever stuff with Charlotte but...i always end up defaulting to good old Xander backpack. Probably the easiest way to use her tbh and Xander appreciates the hero access as well as the zerker pair up bonuses. The other ones i haven't used except izana and only for rally and occasional staff support. I've considered doing the capture shenanigans to get rally magic earlier but i haven't commited to it in any of my runs nor i have done the Nyx!Nina stuff but i think what Izana brings to the table is harder to replicate than what flora does. Omnibreaker Felicia is fun though did it on my birthright run and it was nice to wipe out enemies with her. Damage stacking izana sounds hilarious though. I've never commited to using Benny. I was going to this run but i said to myself "i gotta spend 2 seals on this unit nah i pass". He gives Effie berserker though if you want her in that class and Arthur and Keaton are taken.

I agree that Selena is Xander's best partner (even if you're looking exclusively for a pairup bot). Bow Knight and Falcon Knight give useful stats that Xander probably needs more than berserker's excessive strength; Strong Riposte can make up the strength difference anyways (and in the scenarios where it doesn't, just deploy Charlotte for those specific instances). Hero + Bow Knight are excellent classes for Xander to have access to (Laslow gives these as well, but it's convenient to consolidate your support targets into one unit who provides everything he needs). Edit: On the Flora segment, the move to attack Hayato requires 9 movement from a flier. A master ninja like Kaze is helpful because the movement bonus he provides gets any promoted flier to that benchmark. But Flora's Maid pairup won't. Because of that, I don't think she can really replicate what a strong master ninja can do there. I suppose you could delay it to a later turn, I guess. I've not tried that, so I'm not sure how the enemy flier movement would be impacted. Really excited to hear the children discussions. I think it's viable to tier them, and I'll add my own thoughts to those.

Funny how this Sunday was a day for two tier lists for Mekkah. It will have to be bit by bit lol

Random staff idea. I would have loved it, if you had no one die through the game, if you then used Bifrost on the final map, it’d let you revive Ryoma or something for an alternate ending. It’s kind of a silly idea, but it could be a neat secret.

I really don't know how to play ninja hell in lunatic without saizo being killed without Benny, its esential in that map

I appreciate the doom metal vibes for the Charlotte section, feels on brand for her lol 14:06 It does make me wonder, she and Peri are both frail units with Maid as their easiest access for 1-2 range: which one does it better? I'm guessing Charlotte just for the easy Sol access and the free HP+5 providing some semblance of bulk, but idk.

Anyone got a list of all the songs in the vid? Not a xeno fan but this music is fire

Charlotte stan till I die I always use her but I am starting to run out of ideas lmao, I once used her as an Onmyoji in a Rev run and she never ONCE gained a magic level💀 I gave her a few stat boosters but she literally had 12 magic at endgame lmao, her crit was insane tho so I could still reliably get her to kill

33:47 dang, it’s unfortunate how you guys didn’t talk about his personal skill Collector, I feel most of the discussion you guys had for him was around his class & as a backpack in it, with only small mentions of him as a unit outside of it, I can understand if you haven’t used him, but you can get 1-2 others into the Wolfskin class, & during Zoran’s Hinoka clear from a while back, “it’s better to have your backpack be an actually built unit themselves, so you effectively double their HP”, so while I don’t fully disagree with his placement, I do wanna make a comment about him to add to this discussion, if that’s no problem! comments are good for the system XD Now Keaton might not be an Azura, but he does grant something unique that you might want to go for if you’re playing solo (we never did get a resource DLC) His personal skill, Collector, grants a luck % chance to give 3 resources (path dependent, so no pearls or peaches on conquest) at the end of each turn for the first 7 turns. This skill cannot trigger if he’s a backpack. This is a way to get lot of resources that you might only be able to obtain through Castle drops He is someone that you will have to work a little harder for to get online & functioning sure, but I say give him some stat boosters, favorite him a bit, yeah a lot of characters want a skill book, but Keaton wants that Goddess Icon, & if you want something that gets online “fast”, I’ve got two ideas for you: 1) A+ Laslow & train his bow rank asap, Anna’s Bow is a B ranked Castle drop, which grants +5 luck when equipped, if you can’t get it, his 40% Luck growth (Bow knight gives +10%) & luck base does mean you’re decently more likely to get resources 2) Azura S rank & speed into Falcon knight for the 50% total luck growth, you’ll get 2 Wolfskins to take his place as a backpack, & a flying staff user if you wanna do rescue shenanigans. Kinshi knight is also a great option, it only makes a total 45% luck growth, but it’s still a solid class with access to B rank bows as well (Secret 3rd option: Keaton wants to get into Lodestar asap, 55% growth, doubled luck bases, highest luck cap in the game at 40 (Anna’s bow+ Kinshi only hits 39) no S or A+ needed, everyone else wants to go in & get out, Keaton wants to Stay in it!! At least that’s my thoughts~) I do like the idea of Keaton being a rally unit since it would allow him to goof off for the first 7 turns without needing to fight & still supporting the army~ plus I believe conquest does get a castle drop staff that grants Luck when used but idr lol another interesting note, because of his personal, he’s someone who appreciates +luck backpacks like Kinshi knight, the Troubadour line, Basara, etc. so not only does he not wanna be a backpack, he wants someone to be his backpack! & if you’ve been using somebody like Hytaka, then you have a perfect partner for Keaton as a Basara, who else will have a support with him at his join chapter? Keaton won’t need more supports than him for a good second I’d say! In general, Keaton is B rank, he can do things others can’t, in both base class & as a luck unit, but I agree that getting him online is a little tougher, & might not be as beneficial as training up someone such as Arthur or Effie, as well as his “best class” imo being locked behind S rank/Dlc, & his favorite Bow is both a castle drop & High ranked. Still, this discussion should be mentioned, since you can have other wolfskins, yes you can’t capture more (which is a crime imo), but Valouria & possibly Shigure give more than enough for useful backpacks for their classes alone, Keaton is the Wolfskin who can do more! Thank you for reading if you made it this far!! I’m genuinely enjoying this video & this series~ i’m just an avid Luck build Keaton man & I like to talk about this whenever I can~ again thank you and hope you have a great day~~

Is Anna going to be on this list? The Three Houses DLC characters were covered, right?

I just finished CQ Hard for the first time and the staff rank issues really are terrible. My Elise was mostly healing through the whole game (Felicia reclassed to and stuck with Master Ninja for Replicate, Adventurer Niles was probably the 2nd staff user, and Falcon Knight Selena was the third but she was mostly Leo's backpack) and by the final chapter she was halfway through B. I couldn't use Fortify even though I wanted it as an option, I had to use an Arms Scroll with all the money I had lying around. Couldn't use Bifrost at all, though nobody died even on Endgame.

i always feel benny is soo underated, i always play ironman and he may save u a lot of times, his insane def makes amazing to hold enemys and when promoted he has access to wary fighter

Can't you get dark falcon and dread fighter simply by having the game ? Why not consider those classes ?

I might have missed you guys talking about it but will you also make reviews for Birthright and Revelations?

Music list?

We must add boots to the tierlist as we are assuming everyone is recruited, your words not mine

Aw yeah, no weeks long dry spell! Let's go!

YES

Flora - she misses her 77% displayed hit freeze animation four times in a row despite getting rally skill'd F

How on earth is Charlotte this close to Effie when Effie joins 1/3 of the game earlier

Editor mekkah truly based

Shura below Mozu is an insane take Im not here for it at all 💀

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I strongly disagree with your Effie placement, I think she should be much higher, but everything else looks great.