We decided to drop a little bonus POD this week, given we had just shot TAC. We get into the nitty gritty of TAC. All love at the end of the day. Go checkout our friends Brandon and Jaysen. Lol James. Also TAC is a for fun event, and we probably didn’t talk about that enough. Hope ya’ll can make it to a local 3D event, test your gear, and get even more dialed in.

Therapy sessions of Tim and MFJJ

I feel compelled to leave this comment. Josh, I understand the stress you feel to constantly perform at a certain level and constantly shoot high score. You feel that those high score will in some way validate you in the community and keep you relevant. Just know, you are relevant without the high scores. You are not a professional archer. People did not come to love and respect you and your content because you are a great archer. The community has embraced you so quickly because the knowledge and experience you have brought. That is your value. Tim is right! The internet has changed. It is not as superficial as it once was. People have gotten tired of the egotistical, superficial, product pushing creators. People recognize real and that is what is wanted and, in my eyes, what is needed in the community. This is probably one of the reasons you and especially Tim has made such a huge names for yourselves. People want real. Stay real, let the superficial stuff go. You’ve already solidified yourself in the community and filled a spot that no one else in the community has. Keep doing what you are doing and forget about the scores.

I love that James already had a back up beer ready lol

Josh, I am listening to this pod and feel compelled to comment on your concern about your credibility as an archer. Your credibility is through the roof man! Anyone who can manage a business like yours AND find the time to do all the other stuff you do (e.g., KZfaq videos, digging trenches for your mom's place) AND shoot archery as well as you do with so little time for practice, is an amazing archer who is absolutely through the roof in credibility!!! I followed your scores each day at the Redding shoot. No you didn't win, Redding, but your score was VERY respectable. Anyone, who thinks your performance at this event negatively impacts your credibility, is either an idiot or doesn't have a clue as to what it takes to shoot archery at your level. For a frame of reference, I am retired, I am more like Tim than you in my archery ability and I rarely miss a video you and/or Tim put out. My guess is I am more like your average viewer so trust me when I say your credibility is outstanding and you don't have a thing to worry about no matter who your partner is! Tim, keep plugging away man! Your archery skills have improved so much since the beginning! Larry Wise agrees with us, you have no control of the shot, after the arrow leaves the bow.

Tac is not any kind of competition in any way other than friendly wages amongst the group. Everybody was there to have fun well almost everyone. I couldn’t even finish the video

Josh your knowledge of the sport and equipment speaks for itself brother. We all know you can shoot. For me it’s better to see all you guys letting loose and having some fun

Man this one exposed a side of MFJJ I haven't seen yet. For a guy that preaches so much " I don't care about the score, I just execute the best shot you can", he sure layed into Tim hard on this one. No one cares that you can or can't shoot a perfect TAC. No one is going to stop following because you lost 1 of 4 events at a TAC where score doesn't matter. I follow you 4 guys for the great information you put out and the comradery that comes with it. MFJJ is a badass dude on technical stuff on setting up bows and making arrows fly true, Tim bust his ass on creating quality content but still is a normal guy just living life. It's obvious all of these guys can shoot and could lay a smackdown on Joe blow occasional shooter at any given time because they stay sharp. Some days it just doesn't go perfect.

Banger

True colors shining thru.

I shoot 3D every weekend at my club with friends and we have a blast! My latest thing is "The arrow is stretching the line!!!" even though it's a good half inch out. LOL!!

Bless you Tim. Congrats on your journey! I knew James was good. I thought Brandon was good. And I’m surprised by Josh throwing you under the bus. God bless you all.

This is my favorite episode of The View yet.

It's been fun seeing Tim's progression in his shooting and knowledge. Helps to have a great teacher with MFJJ but getting out there and actually shooting your bow is what breeds progress.

Nice shout out, Thanks guys. Next time in Spokane I’m gonna drop by the shop.

Guys, love the TAC content. Going to 7 Springs this year. It's also awesome seeing women get into archery. I have 2 daughters that have youth bows, one can shoot by herself now. My wife finally wanted to get a bow and I got it all set up for her. I think that I'm more excited about her getting a bow than when I got my Alpha in December!

Trouble in paradise 😮. More dumping on Troy and less blasting my boy Tim please. (Mostly kidding, but damn is Josh salty lol)

Miss counseling session is awesome boys. We need James as the counselor all the time

Wow a few beers and a weekend with the boys and such competitiveness it should be a good time for everyone good friends would say hay we need to work on this

Maybe I should reconsider asking my buddies if they want to go too a TAC 😂 just kidding lol

What a great group. Love all these guys

Damn JJ chill out, Tim had to channel his inner Dr. Phil there.

Huge respect to you all for doing this, so real. I have a lot more appreciation for Timbo's openness. MFJJ, your passion and dedication to what you do is so great, but now we also know that you are a human, and that just makes it more.

I respect MFJJ for what he has taught me in his videos. A good coach needs to know the technique and what it takes, that’s where you shine, your a good coach. You don’t need to be the best at the sport to know what it takes to be the best. You can only get good and stay good if you practice regularly. From what I see and hear from you on the tube is your life does not let you practice shooting as much as maybe you once did and that’s OK. I started watching long before you started posting scores. Your instructions have made me better at tuning my own bow, shooting techniques and arrow builds. I’ve spent a lot of time watching other channels as I learned and I always come back to yours when I want a refresher. I appreciate what you are doing for the sport. The pressure you’re feeling is self induced. Let it go and have fun loosing once in a while. Your human. Oh ya, weren’t you on the winning team more than not. Just my thoughts.

This was tense, but very good... this was real! And I believe this will make you both a stronger pair of friends! I've been on both sides of this with people I love and respect, both friends and family and professional peers. Josh has his rep as "the archery boffin" and is still trying to grow his influence so as to affect more lives... And he is super competitive, as well, even if it's just scoring for fun. But I reckon underneath that is the fact he carries a lot of pride and hope for Tim in so far as the actual getting better at archery. Tim is essentially a student and product of Josh's archery philosophy and mfjj has many times called Tim and others "his children". Tim obviously did not shoot bad on purpose, but he was definitely more concerned with making good content on his own growing channel that day. Which he admitted, even if he was present for every shot. But I think he also has so much belief in josh being so much the better bowman that he believed he COULD let most of his mind be on making the video because Josh would (in his mind) take up any slack. Which is why he didn't SEEM to care as much as Josh obviously wanted him to... And that is damn frustrating when you're in a team and want to win, especially with a close friend/family member! So in closing this is just two close people who care about each other, but have different personalities and who were focused on slightly differnet goals clashing. Classic "father-son" conflict! Hope you guys hugged it out after! Lol Also the beers definitely made you all slightly too honest probably 😂 All 4 of you guys made great content and we love you all God bless!

You guys all shot phenomenally and it’s interesting to hear all the dialogue and concerns. U all have strengths and MFJJ for real share such expertise and ur harder on yourself about scoring than we are. (I think!). You and Tim are great pairing for sure. (James - same here, I luv seeing Bri, Whit and “all the gals” as I’m trying to hit em like em and have same type of shooting weights, and they are bad a$$!).

Made the ga tac with the wife this past weekend and it was awesome! Turned my lady from participant without super enthusiasm to exited and rambling on about the fun of it! Really nice,super good archery experience and can't wait to hit Indiana in August

😂😂 great pod. Love the therapy session. I believe in asa there is a 1 let down rule and I think it’s a good rule. Never shot teams but looks like fun but I see Josh’s point a lot if you are carrying the team. Maybe shooting individual scores would remove the friction

Ironic that MFJJ talked about his shortcomings at Vegas not too long ago. It happens. To me, it got a tad personal with Tim. No one cares about your score, you are best source of archery info on youtube, at least to me. Next week may very well be a therapy session between these guys. I'm here for it.

MFJJ is being wayyyyyy over sensitive and you can tell by the way he addresses Tim hes not a good team player. Tim did a great job and did the best he could. TAC is all about fun just like you've stated before in many videos so relax MFJJ. You preach one thing and act another way. next time each person should score on their own no teams.

This pod is one that was NEEDED. There are several points to hit on. 1. Josh and Tim, y’all needed this to grow as friends. The oh shit factor just hit both of y’all. I’ve been through it many times in my life. Y’all love each other as friends and respect the hell out of each other each other and everything aligned, up until 2nd half day 2. That was proven with Josh’s apology. Josh took the time to choose appropriate words that would be taken the correct way for Tim. Now y’all know how to communicate in more situations. Learn and grow from it. 2. Jaysen from bow discipline…😂😂 For real though James…this was a new side of you on social media and your presences was needed. You come off as a “wild” dude, but you are in tune to everything around you and can absorb everything and give solid input to the situation. The “wild” guy is straight entertainment!! Appreciate you bro! 3. Brandon, it was a pleasure to talk to you in the past dealing with Mere Mortal, and I hated to see it not work. Your ability to digest everything from everyone else and provide specific input truly shows your character. I would love to have a glass of bourbon, smoke a cigar and just talk life with you. 5. Tim, I know where you come from with golf and how archery relates. I wouldn’t say you aren’t competitive by any means either, it seems more like you don’t want to deal with the confrontation like you once did. Keep grinding!! 6. Josh, if someone gives a damn about how you shoot when you are doing everything else for the archery community from running a business that is mentioned in the same breath as Lancaster, developing and making products that the industry has needed for years, all while having one of the most prominent KZfaq channels in archery…they can keyboard warrior what they want. You’re MFJJ for a reason! It would truly be one hell of a time to hang out with y’all. I enjoy watching and listening to what all of you offer! I am constantly adding to the toolbox. Appreciate the hell out of y’all!!

When I spoke to yall I lost 3 total the whole shoot. I had a similar set up to mfjj. Really light arrow. Really enjoyed speaking to all of yall.

Can you guys do some sort of drawing to come shoot with all of you next year? This was a great podcast I loved hearing Josh and Tim talk about the struggles they had as team mates. Keep up the grest work!

Now I understand why James looked like a statue hahahaI thought it was maybe the dehydration thing you were talking about, but that is hilarious. Brandon got you

Great conversation fellas! All ASA targets have an 8 ring. That target you’re taking about is a Big Shot Big Foot target. I have that stupid target in my back yard 😂 I agree with the let down limits. They made those rules so the course doesn’t take twice as long to shoot with everyone letting down 10 times every target.

There’s way more opportunity in the struggle because tuning is what you guys sell. Tim tells an intriguing story in a way you don’t see often on YT. Brandon used to do that😂 Jk Brandon I miss your regular content.

Very cool pod, imnot sure id like to sit on those couches. I havnt sat cris cross apple sause since i was a lil dude.

man, where would 2 more beers each taken this?

So what I’ve learned about each people is that James loves to shoot and he’s a great shooter. Brandon is a great shooter and loves to shoot. Mfjj is passionate about archery but can be so passionate that it can come off as aggressive and thus making others feel pressured when it comes to shooting (partner). And tim loves archery but isn’t the most proficient and he’s happy with the outcome he gets but on a competitive level it can become an area of tension if shooting with someone who is extremely competitive.

Mfjj. I wouldn't care if you shot 5's all day long. What you have done for the sport, is how you will be remembered. The confidence youv given me to work on my own bow. I cant thank you enough

MFJJ needs more Tee Shirts! That Metallica shirt must be a fav. I enjoyed following along.

Just simplify it up and go play a 2v2 of golf with Tim and he will understand. Josh is a archer. Tim is a archery inthusiast. The mind set will be different. Nothing wrong with that.

Good stuff

Mfjj can only shoot a bow well under a certain set of circumstances 😂😂💀 that’s an insane thought process

That's why I love watching this shit in love and taking so deeply what you teach MFJ j because it's the truth and how younes really feel sometimes I think Tim may hold back a little bit, but I don't think that you really do unless if it's something that might get you in trouble through your through your job

Was really diggn the video, wanted to try to start a thing...."The Four Bowman"....you know like The four Horseman...just "Bowman"....make it a thing....maybe a theme for more videos of the four of you!...:).....then the whole video turned into DrPhill...:(

One word - Vulnerability. It’s just a game unless your chasing that paycheque, than it’s work. It’s good that you care MFjj, you should care that people are watching. You’re a teacher and a mentor to a lot of people, and more so to the people that don’t get to stand next to ya. We watch you for your knowledge, your truth to the sport, tips and tricks for in the shop and shooting form. Just because you’re not a professional on-the-line archer should not persuade someone’s judgment on you. You’re a damn good archer. It would be almost impossible to run a shop of you accord and to be training and traveling to shoot a top score. Than you’d be a professional archer and a guy with a bow shop. Dudley ran his path as professional archer and of course will hold that statue even when he’s gone, but from my perspective, he shot first and than realized he’s a good teacher/ shop educator but he’s not doing both. He does shoot a damn lot but he’s not running a daily/ on-site business. So, I think you should care, you should care to ones that are listening to you for the right reasons and you should care about how you shoot but remain on the professionalism that you present and keep building that trail. To be a teacher, a shooter, a technician, a coach, a truthful funny humble guy that I wish I had the chance to meet and hand my bow to. I enjoy all y’all videos every week and I believe I have grown from just watching and listening to what you teach. Get that pump house 🏹❤

The funny part is no one cares how mfjj shoots at all. Idk why the big deal about it. I think it's self enduced stress. he does care how well he does not any of his followers. Josh is known for being a archery genius not a pro shooter at all. I don't watch Josh thinking oh he's a super good shot. I watch because he's super passionate about archery and loves to tinker and explain things. So yeah just wanted to say bro I think it's you who wants or thinks he's gotta be a pro target shooter but u don't brother. Just keep being you man and dropping archery knowledge bombs.

Plus I think right now to many beers for you guys. Lol

I heard the boys can do 100 push ups in 20 minutes

Nah don't listen to them boys healthy competition sometimes brings out anger , it's how people work thru it, friends sometimes disagree, that's just life, plus people the man dedicated his whole life to archery built his life around it, plus he's got great taste in music and shirts, and I,be learned a ton from Josh. God bless

Josh...a real OG never loses street cred.

Right? You still know what you know. Josh, no matter what and you're still going to have that in your mind, you're still going to be that great. Even if you weren't to shoot all the time and lose some of your shooting skills. You're still going to know what you know and be that great

I would have a guess and say the exact reasons mfjj feels he needs to perform is the exact reason ranch fary didn't shoot tac at all. I agree with what josh says if your not performing better than the people your trying to teach you loose validity to some extent. But he shows he knows what he is talking about i couldn't care what score he gets his info is relevant and a high level of knowledge.

A ton of laughs throughout all the videos but was disappointed and lost some respect for MFJJ when he started to dump on Tim just because Tim doesn't quite possess the high skill level of the others. Be curious to see what MFJJ would have to say if he partnered with Tim on a similar GOLF competition and Tim had to carry him through parts of the rounds. Skill levels vary from person to person. A friend would shoulder the extra weight and offer support rather than try to belittle his friend. In my opinion Tim has always been the bigger person and obviously works hard at perfecting the things he does. I've watched Tim greatly improve his shooting since he started his journey and he's quickly becoming a force to be reckoned with. Stay true to yourself, Tim. There are a lot of us out here who can relate to your journey in archery. Respect to you. That being said, James can shoot his bow !!!

There is nothing wrong with be competitive but you are there to have fun with buddies. SO JUST SEND IT AND WHO GIVES A SHIT. LOL

Its pretty strange that you all get along so well - being that you all drank a different brand of beer. 🙂

Last comment. Mfjj you are really not known as a Levi Morgan as Levi isn't known as a Mfjj. You are a badass bow builder and your knowledge is greatly respected as that. So just enjoy your time shooting with less experience shooters but don't stress about it. LIFE IS TO SHORT.

But she's also a subscriber!

Great content guys!!! First TAC is to improve our archery skills... enjoy the journey and be chill bro!!! We're all bros and need to support each other... if any of u need to take a deuce in the woods and have nothing to hang onto I'm holding your hands to keep u outta the dookie!!! That's a true bro and sometimes we may touch tips it's okay James.... support your bros!!! James from bow discipline I knew u weren't garbage shooter, u came through in the clutch! May u ever find the pumpy bro! FYI - I know it's not discipline 😊 Brandon ur also a chill dude, enjoy the bourbon and cigars and the archery journey bro! Tim... Bro I started watching u when u first started shootin with that Dan character, u have came so far in your archery skills and knowledge of bow tuning... AND your camera skills and editing are unmatched by any!!! Trust the process grasshopper u have come a long way!!! UR totally right, it doesn't matter what u shoot the other guy should always shoot to his best ability! MFJJ... Josh dude we don't care how u shoot... It ultimately doesn't change your archery knowledge. You are unparalleled in your bow and archery knowledge... We on KZfaq all learn from your mastery of the bow!!! Support yourother archery bros... guide the young ones and don't C-block a bro, okay relax!!! And let's never ever question the Dudley skills again!?!? He doesn't shoot because he is better served greeting people, he is an ambassador to archery. And he does shoot with a select group of people. That dude has been slinging arrows for so long... He has so many videos where the footage shows his skills... He is truely the Master Po of archery. Let's get some footage of u guys shooting against young Michael from the shop... I have a feeling he'd do really well!!! Thanks for the content bros!!!

If anyone has watched any of James’s videos, they would know he’s not a garbage shooter. Not bad at all.

Brandon and MFJJ will just tell it like it is, they don't hold back and that's refreshing. I really thought the ranch fairy wouldn't show. The ranch fairy has influenced some of my friends to shoot a heavy arrow and they didn't understand the real consequences that it had on their bow tune and arrow impact in hunting situations. I don't blame the ranch fairy, you better take responsibility and understand that there is a cause and affect when you make changes like that and that is exactly what MFJJ is concerned about.

Can you tell which master archer is from southern California?

Curious, do you guys use an app for keeping score??

Just have to say for myself, I care less about the scores of the events and more about the personalities and processes and ways to approach the different targets. Everyone is going to take what you say and apply it to themselves in their own way. If josh has a bad day not going to think any less of him...were all human and the more real you guys come off the better imo.

You can tell that Tim is a golfer because golf is the ultimate mind f. The way he approaches performance is straight out of sports psychology from that experience. Josh is putting way too much pressure on himself about scoring... people already know he shoots well, and these days he can't work on that aspect of the craft like he once did. It takes nothing away from the content. And for what it's worth, it could be the reason why the Ranch Fairy bailed because he knew he would struggle on a tac course

That escalated quickly. Hug it out and move on.

I feel like this is just a little too much inside baseball. These dudes need to protect their persona. This is just the drama that goes along with men competing and in reality we all have conversations just like this in the truck on the way home.

Tim needs to lower his draw length, he always hyoer extends his bow arm making him shake more and miss.

Has Josh never been on a team before? This was not counselling, this was a conversation you'd have with a 12yr old.

Mfjj ante loosing any following shooting bad, anyone who shoots archery know we have good, bad, and awesome days shooting. That being said I thought Tim should have showed more concern toward Josh and understanding his side way more than he expressed. I mean let’s be real, Tim would be nowhere in archery without Josh . Respect your elders boy! Meet his need because he sure as hell goes over and beyond meeting yours! Wake up Tim!.

MFJJ has an excuse for everything....

Yeah I mean my girl and my kids my wife I should say and my kids they all watch it on mine cuz I'm signed in on the TV at home so yeah it's a little bit of everybody but she'll sit with me and watch it on my phone as well

Little too much estrogen in some parts of the room lol all round a good pod though.

Josh, you know as well as me you dont shoot enough to be a top shot anymore, and we know that and dont expect you to be. Youre credibility is not tied to that. Shoot and have fun with your friends all this will do is have people not wanting to be your partner because they dont want to let you down. Relax my guy. Youre doing great

I dont like when mom and dad fight😭

Kudos to Mfjj for apologies to Tim but it sounds like Mfjj is more competitive and it's his reputation on the line since he has been doing it so long. While Tim is more worried about the video but still tries his best. 2 different generation old school and today's. They don't mix well lol

THE END of mfjj&timmy! Jk, all love..

MFJJ is way too sensitive. I dont need you to help me be better at Archery. There is some underlying issues you need to work on.

Josh's fragile ego sure must have taken a hit. So whiny

Great videos and hard work is always appreciated. Tim needs to learn a bit more about different types of mental thought processes, competitive behavior, and different types of stress management strategies people use. He is quick to state how he use to be competitive and now in his later 20s he’s just competitive with himself. Thats 100% okay but that doesn’t mean he can’t accept others will still hold that same level of competitiveness and strong alpha behavior he once had. This comment isn’t to put him down but merely stating everyone has something to learn. It’s okay to be complacent with your opinions but be more careful to be quick to clap back to others. Huge respect for Josh taking a step back and seeking to understand before being understood. He apologized without hesitation and that’s hard for most. Keep killing the amazing work both Tim and Josh! Hope to see this conversation grow your guy’s relationship and not put a damper from continuing one of the best channels / educational / fun archery videos on KZfaq!

Patrick Mahomes's QB coach can't outplay him. I'm sure his credibilty comes from his knowledge and experience and from Pat's performance. Nobody cares if he can dissect a defense from the line of scrimmage and throw into tight coverage while off-balance. Maybe that perspective will help. MFJJ, your credibilty comes from your knowledge, experience, character, etc. and from the effects your work has on guys like me.

The cringe factor on this is very high. Nobody cares if you lose at TAC. It’s for fun. Losing doesn’t diminish your credibility one bit. It’s like playing in a scramble and one of your partners has an off day. Who gives a shit… Did you enjoy the time out with your friends and have fun? Clearly not…😬

I absolutely don't corelate Josh's archery knowledge with how he performs in a friendly competition (Especially with this Lift that we are hearing more and more right and left inconsistencies with) he has nothing to prove and I hope he knows that

How convenient Ranch Fairy. I honestly can't stand the freaking dude. Alot of talk and not alot of walk.

Mfjj making hella excuses. Its ok man, its just TAC 😂. Its ok to be human.