Don't trust white people

NO ! NEVER EVER TURN YOUR BACK ON AMERICA !

@@letitburnforever2122 hahahaha

@@letitburnforever2122 Lemme guess...Black Israelite?

@Anti-Federalist 1776 or maybe murder over property is bad

Yeah, and then continued to be bystanders as Monk was maimed and then truly murdered in front of them. Certainly not the wisest decision from Monk, but then again can you ever really count on bystanders if a determined murderer comes along?

He tried to behave like he and Bill weren’t part of the same hypocrisy. Like Monk had won the election fair and square where the “people had spoken” He also wanted to act like Bill’s time was over. I’m not sure what Bill came there to do but by the time that little speech of Monk’s was over, it could only go one way.

Yeah that’s what he referred to in the last part of his sentence that you left out, well done movie critic.

Ah, but had they wanted the two to fight, there would've been howls for them to kill each other (and we do see in the movie how they'll egg on violence). Monk wasn't wrong.

​@@roguishpaladinhe was a coward who made a giant spectacle out of a situation he shouldnt have. That speech sealed his fate

the TOMSTER He is Ruthless wrapped in an American flag.

the way i see it, bill's version of honor is wrapped around the idea of fighting. since the barber didnt want to fight, bill determined that the man was walking away from the honorable old way of fighting for power. and so he assassinated him

@Anti-Federalist 1776 If he was such an honorable man he wouldn't have done everything he did in the movie, that includes killing someone he lost to from behind their back.

@Christopher Hinks the only thing thats wrong with that is, that Bills father fought a freedom war, yet Bill himself ruled his part of the city like a king that no one voted for. Thus not really democratic himself. so he still is a hypocritical character even within his believe system. Also, killing him from behind is hardly an act of a upright man. if it would have been a fight with both drawn weapons, I would say nothing.

@Christopher Hinks good point: its also a philosophical question in regards to "shall people without opinion or to much fear to act upon it be ruled or are they still entitled to freedom even if they are not using it?!" each side or the other: quite a good movie - although it could have done without the default pseudo love story.

Clap clap clap clap

Well that would be downright nonsensical bill

Cause he is Irish, i didnt' understand that at first.

Me lucky charms

Hell yeah it was

Christopher Bloor That's a dumb reason to refuse medicine.

Comes off as sort of a rage.. and post swing it makes it seem like he smokes a lot and genuinely gets gassed for air after short bursts like that, which is common among actual criminals.

Holy shit, it's a talking muffin is dying. That’s well too far.

@@brianmerritt5410 youve clearly never heard of DDL then

I thought it was meant to be adrenaline, making it more realistic.

I love how his facial expression never changes, while Monk is talking

During this scene bill realizes that the man before him is more American than himself

@@ofc.vaughan2871 WOWWWWWWWWW!!!!! Killa and Ryan! Just wow! Great observation!

​@@ofc.vaughan2871or that hes a coward making a spectacle out of the situation

i think this movie is on a grey area they are all bad guy fighting their own battle

When you grow up you'll realize he was the good guy.

@@Karmara7 ehh loose meaning since they are all horrible ppl with good principles fighting and killing each other over something that would inevitably pointless over time

@@Karmara7 when you grow up you'll realize morality is relative

@@Karmara7 No he wasn't. You are the one who needs to grow up

And that is why Scorsese is a master.

I saw this scene before watching the movie, so I was not sure if he was talking to people inside or he was breaking the 4 wall lol. Awesome actor.

Breaking the 4th wall - IE direct to your living room

it's not just that. it's also the fact that he expects this murder to have an echo and a political message which bill clearly says: "this is the minority vote". he expresses that he's been bullshitted by some migrants who now hold the upper hand in politics and that he (the natives) has become a minority which is why he rebells knowing it won't change the politics to what it was. in short: this is bill's way of rebelling against the corrupt.

I was wondering what the significance of the Queen of Spades was

+bluetextonwhitebg Scorsese's shitty editing again!

And obviously it actually hit the side of the wall and bounced back.

You can actually see it on the ground during the scene as well.

Good eye, friend! :)

well spotted

I remember LOL the first time I watched it.

Oopsie Daisy!

My favorite line is "I dont give a tumpity fuck about your moral conundrum you meat headed shit sack"😂

Yes, that’s what happens in the movie.

@@happymaskedguy1943 You have to be smart to be a smart ass otherwise you are just an ass.

@Anti-Federalist 1776 actually, the butcher is a coward. Look what he did to kill the Priest.

@Anti-Federalist 1776 he threw someone at the priest to distract him then shanked him. . . then goes on and on about this glorious duel that did not happen.

Read the story of the real buther William Poole. He was a savage and a boxer. The democrats did him dirty at every turn until he was murdered

​@@staticfrequency2250that was a gang war not a Duel

@@nationalsocialism3504 🤦‍♂️

Shillelagh

I wish some of that had stayed in the finished version, honestly.

I'm no expert on dueling protocols, but I'm pretty sure if you declined the challenge for reasons of maintaining the peace, it wasn't considered dishonorable. In any case, this killing was a rat bastard puss move even if Monk was dumb for giving him his back.

​@@13thvarebel16the sitting Vice President (Burr) killed the sitting Secretary of the Treasury (Hamilton)... there's no "disturbing the peace" bullshit. Even long after Dueling was made officially made illegal... it was never really enforced & was tolerated to a large degree even with the formal confines of the military (The Duelist by Ridley Scott is based on two French officers that fought duels against each other for 2 decades as a standing practice whenever the conditions allowed. There was a whole formalized set of rules of when they had to fight... not an active warzone, stationed within a set amount of miles, same rank, etc. Dueling was officially not allowed by these two men both went from Captains to Briagder Generals while openly carrying on this practice & wounding the fuck out of each other for twenty years.)

​@@13thvarebel16he showed up for 1v1 one fight that the other guy knew was coming. Instead of fighting like a man he refuses and makes a giant spectacle of the situation. Bill obviously digusted by the cowardice hits him in the back for it. Pretty easy to figure that out

He wanted Monk to fight him face to face with honor like Priest did. When he turned away, he thought him a coward. And there goes the cleaver to the back. That my friends.. is the minority vote. He was insulting his courage.

@@imemberberry Like the priest did? Bill attacked the priest by surprise, throwing another guy at him to distract him and get close... The only coward in the whole movie was Bill

All is fair in love and war. The terms of the first battle were set. After that, it's on you. And if Bill just wanted to assassinate Monk "like a sneak thief" as he called it, he could have. The man sent him a note with a pig's head for God's sake. That's quite the "heads up" (buh dum ch). Monk tried to rally the crowd against Bill and got nothing, and still turned his back. He was running, and died the same way soldiers who run from battle were killed. Blade to the back. Not even a through and through. So everyone knows. Edit: technically Monk got bludgeoned to death, but it was still to the back of the head and he probably would've died from the cleaver anyway

@@imemberberry Cause Monk was an elected official,a sheriff,agreeing to the fight would be career suicide. Bill knew this and used it against him,just the same way he doesnt charge him cause then monk would be allowed to kill him. Its never about fear of death,Monk fears losing the power he has gained for the irish and forgets that he is in the end a street thug. Bill deciding to challenge him exactly when he became sheriff is like challenging a karate champ the day he becomes a literal monk,its obvious its to create a dilemma. Is monk written in an inconsistent,haphazard way? I thinks so,think the original 4 hour version would clear alotta shit up.

This may be the dumbest take I have eve seen on this movie

i've seen this scene at least twenty times and this was the first time I've ever noticed it (before i read the comments).

Maybe he threw two cleavers together... (Desperately trying to justify this apparent flaw)

Sam Geuvenen Too bad.

So true. No matter what the majority favors, the minority vote always prevails.

😂🤣

@@SquallVIIIfan Not an argument, and hes right.

@@SquallVIIIfan He's right though. Just have a look at the USA. The blacks are the minority vote yet one of them can get to become President, at least one time in 21st Century. Savvy?

WTF LMFAO!!!! Hahahahaha

Yup

Lol

Being a coward sealed his fate... Bill showed up for a Honorable Duel & Monk refused

​@@nationalsocialism3504true i think he was disgusted by his actions. Thats why he hit him in the back like that

@junioradult6219 cowardice is always disgusting... Bill showed up for a duel & was met with a coward. So Bill promptly dispatched him in the manner fitting a coward... with his wounds facing the wrong way, so that even in hell he will be mocked for all eternity

@@nationalsocialism3504 Bill would have gotten his shit pushed in, he was the coward boy

@@nationalsocialism3504 Bill was weak and pathetic, never went for a fight he knew he'd lose. He also knew Monk wouldn't fight him, so it was a guaranteed win. Bill is the coward, always was

I knew that. My brother was there. Hell of a method actor that Bill.

Did anyone also notice the thrown cleaver hit the door frame and land behind him

he had a cleaver buried in his spine.... I don't know how much control he'd have

@@jeramiahholland8199 - lol, you're right.

Why⁉️

Sam Schutte What does it mean? Haven’t watched the film.

Gotcha. Thanks :)

This movie is filled by quircky funny lines like this. Daniel Day Lewis was a genius in this film. He played Bill the butcher to perfection.

fuck you

Dustin, Nate and Khabib said that to Conor after destroying him 😂

Damn, now I cant unsee that. That seems sloppy for Scorsese

fuck you, I cant unsee that now lol

😂

​@@whatismyname5151His movies are full of these little happy mistakes. The most obvious one is probably the "dummy" in the intro of Casino. I think he's just a film purist, embraces the theatricality of it, and doesn't want to use CG unless absolutely necessary. Its got its charm. He's not a perfectionist like, say, Fincher. That doesn't mean he isn't absolutely master of his craft. Or it could just be a mistake, lol.

i will watch this movie over and over again. bill is my idol. lol

Yeah... but could've also saw it as his own death...he knew monk was a dangerous man. Or perhaps the spades signaled the death of his native gang to the foreigners

Basically tarot cards

it was the act of a coward

@@johnbanks4761 Bill took Monk's refusal to fight as cowardice and killed him as a coward.

@@johnbanks4761 To be fair, Cutting showed up looking for a fight and the Barber was fully aware of that. Not a great idea to turn his back.

What was Bill supposed to do after delivering a pigs head and " today" sticking in the top. Did Bill and Monk have secret weekly meeting to discuss the merits of the word ghoul or that of the club vs cleaver? And Monk just forgot and left Bill sitting there all by his lonesome. A little reminder then from William. Maybe. But I'm betting that it meant today one of us is dying. They've literally discussed it for years in monosyllables. The buildup was excruciating for the people of the 5 points. During tense times men would speculate and then borrow money from one or the other and hoped the club was true or the cleaver sharp but it never came. No fight in the history of the world had been coming so long since Noah and everybody not on the Ark had there throwdown. Bill's balls were purple already after not killing Leo. Monk really just got elected over night and he is already Abe Lincoln. No scratch that. Abe wouldnt have turned his back on Bill The Butcher or went back in what looked like cramped quarters anyway. More like knife territory than club back inside. He got what he should have got forgetting where he came from. Worse he thought Bill would do the same. What Bill did was exactly what should have been expected of him. Monks display softened Bill's heart and he felt shame at thought of what he had almost done and deprived them of such a leader. Shame that he thought for a second about not doing it and to have not done it wouldve been the death of Bill, the taming of him to keep around for curiosity and amusement now that he is declawed. the end of the spectacle of fearsome acts which is his power without it Bill is a man to be negotiated with and reasoned and talk about the democratic way. With it Bill is a man to be feared above all else.

He looked down on him… he caved in and gave up his warrior mentality so bill lost all respect for him and didn’t feel he deserved an man’s/warrior death…. Knife to the back like an animal

You need to watch more films.

I have seen a lot of films and this is definitely a top 5

True, few equals, a few more near equals...the rest are left in the dust.

Only gary old man(commisioner gordon from the dark knight) comes close to surpassing him

a great man.

@@MsDragonbal776 Gary Oldman is fantastic, one of the greatest actor ever and he is more versatile than day lewis. His accents are also better and his transformations too. But, overall he is not that great as Daniel because he hasn't gave one single better performance than him. Daniel has 3-4 legendary roles and many very good. Oldman has 2 Great roles and the rest good. Day Lewis along with Brando and De Niro is the greatest actor ever

I can get behind the Gary Oldman compeitition

lol law of the jungle, get a spine

he'll drink your milkshake right up

I think he is wincing because of the sun

Lol foreal

Great spot that mate.

Definitely better, Monk was a mercenary working for whoever paid best because he was so good he didn't have to take sides. And in the original script he was even more legendary and had a lot more combat scenes

There is nothing special about being a popular ''bad''guy in Hollywood movies. Its the easiest way to prop up an actor. Denzel in Training Day, Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs, fucking Jack Nicholsons' whole career...Watch the Bounty (1984), where Lewis' plays an incompetent sailor, see whether his acting sticks out at all there.

@The Mad Baron There are no natives. Migrants of those times are considered true americans today.

@The Mad Baron Nah man, I love the natives. They smoked pipe n shit

@The Mad Baron what's with the brackets? a meme? Srsly?

@@Scarletraven87 I know. my own forefathers are migrants I come from a line of Norse Vikings (at least that's what my father tells me so I'm believing him by slack)

@The Mad Baron Oops, looks like a triggered fascist snowflake. Are you mad the world isn't a reactionary safe space?

Because it doesn't really matter. The scene is so shocking and violent, few would catch it while watching in a theater/for the first time. Doubtless few noticed until they saw it repeatedly on KZfaq or someone else pointed it out.

Butcher would win. He like to stab the kidneys.

Bill had no chance, Monk was the most famous fighter in the five points. Nobody would win in a head to head fight with him. Bill was always going win through deception

​@Saffrone221 nah in a fair fight Butcher loses 100%. Bill was famous for being ruthless. But Monk was the most famous fighter in the whole city, nobody would go against him heads up

​@@FirstLast-gk6lgfacts are monk was a coward by refusing a 1v1 he knew was coming and making a giant spectacle about it to everyone around. That act was disgusting to somebody like the butcher who showed up for a 1v1 to the death all by himself. Hint why monk got it in the back instead. He sealed his fate with that speech of his

He co-stared alongside Liam Neeson in "The Bounty". This was their second time working together.

@@dameinoferrall2400 I remember. Mr Fryer. Another fantastic film but Hopkins steaks the show as he's excellent as Bligh. The Vangelis soundtrack is truly magnificent.

@@Buster_Piles Well, Tony tends to do that. Liam and DDL didn't get much screen time anyway. And I return to the film sometimes just for the soundtrack alone, which is hauntingly hypnotic, and yes, "truly magnificent".

@@dameinoferrall2400 it's good to know you also appreciate the soundtrack. Vangelis is like no other eh? His Blade Runner music was also a huge part of that film for me. Soundtracks are so often underappteciated. Again I think you're right on the subject of Hopkins, he was so dominant in the movie but multifaceted; he's truly demented at times but I always feel sympathetic in that he went out of his way to help Fletcher Christian into the position and was betrayed and isn't there a sneaking admiration for him when he survives and successfully navigates back to civilisation? On a side note, have you read about the legal proceedings in the last few decades centred on the descendants on Pitcairn? It seemed that a very peculiar culture had grown up in regards to age of consent. The island became fascinating from a sociological point of view, pretty much a one-off. I'm glad you reminded me of the film, I must stick it on again, so many great actors. A proper film.

@@dameinoferrall2400 I just wanted to add, Last of the Mohicans, ddl so good, beautiful scenic shots ( ie the bridge in mirror shot), and another great soundtrack. 👍 And if you've not seen it, i hope you track down Brendan Gleeson in "the Guard" - a bittersweet comedy in which I promise every single line of dialogue is excellent. A truly wonderful film.

Or the sign of a maniac

Bill was no coward. He was a hero of true Americans.

Joeseph Lambert - beautifully said!

@Joeseph Lambert wrong. He was going back in to building and presumed bill was coming in behind him.

Monkooze Tees - He had the highest code of honor. The code of a true American patriot. He was brutal, but it was always a display of supreme strength about what was right and wrong. There was no grey. And that’s what made him an epic hero of American history.

you're not gonna mention their will be blood?

.There

He won an oscar for Lincoln

Yep, agreed. Great, fantastic performance from DDL. But some of his character moments, specifically this one and how he killed Priest, really peeved me off.

I never really saw Bill as honourable in that sense. Sure, he appreciates straight-forward behaviour and squaring up like a man if you have a problem, but I always had him pegged as the kind of guy who would do whatever it took once a fight was under way. He killed priest Vallon for instance in the midst of a mass brawl where people were dropping like flies. Both knew they were in it, and both knew it was a lethal fight. He even declared his presence before he attacked, but just threw some other poor sap in front of Priest's blow. With Monk, he offered him a straight up fight, but Monk tried to avoid it, and I can well imagine Butcher losing respect for him due to that, but not about to let him live just because he won't fight. I think there's a consistent if twisted sense of honour there, but it's not necessarily what modern audiences would call honour.

@@Rekaert Wow. Never thought of that. Well said.

I saw it as monk acting like a coward. Not only did he refuse a duel to the death that he already recieved the challenge, when bill showed up he instead made a giant spectacle of the situation to everyone around. An act like that would be absolutly disgusting to somebody like bill who sent a challenge and showed up all by himself for a duel to the death. Hint why monk got it in the back instead. That sigh by bill was a sigh of disapointment, he was there for a glorious fight that he was well aware he had a good chance of dying. The monk sealed his fate with that speech

Politics as a high road...

I mean, Monk did still walk around with that club with 44 notches in it, he clearly liked to talk about his murdering days lol

@@michaelbabb1087 44 notches of Bills friends no doubt

Making a spectacle of the situation just sealed his fate

"Yes I do"

It brought a quote from this movie to mind immediately... Little Bill Daggett: (As Munny takes aim) Just hold it right there. Hold it! [Munny shoots him] You, sir, are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man! Will: Well he should have armed himself if he's gonna decorate his saloon with my friend. ... Meaning he should have been ready. He sent him a dead pigs head and a note nailed to its forehead and everything.

Dan Wacker he wasn't even challenged to a fight that's the thing, Monk only turned his back to him because he thought they were going to talk and be reasonable. So it's a super cowardly move. DDL is just so good that I continued to root for his character despite everything.

James DeBall ehh i don't buy it... Bill let him know wassup and he's a cold blooded killer... he shoulda never turned his back to him. plus, he never said he agreed to go inside and talk it out...

Wait... did he just attack him like a sneak thief?

doesnt make it uncowardly

Fourth wall

We see 3 walls, the fourth wall is where the audience sits.

I think he was telling the barber in the shop

@@parvezamin939 This.

Then this happened

Or a varsity shine box!!

Only an og knows what this is from

Real lack of standards your generation.

Small hands

Always keep a sinebox nearby with a gun in it

Cause it was scripted that way.

@@heir_to_the_promise Hey everybody....its Mr Literal

@@androlibre9661 LoL

Figure of speech, I think

The cleaver was already in his back. When he heard him throw it and it hit the wall, all he had to do was act like it just hit him

@@Cin3mattic Not talking about any of that. The clever thrown is the mistake

The thrown cleaver bounces off the doorway and lands back in the footpath. You can see it even before the cut. Day-Lewis then walks over it, steps on it in fact. This scene is a piece of crap, I'm amazed they rolled with it.

He falls breaking the bottom right pane of glass then next shot it's back in place unbroken..

@@karlfunke4106 It was 2002, the tech to rotoscope it out more than existed - hell, I could have easily done it in After Effects 5.0 back then. Pretty lame

The editing in this film was horrible.

I think bill knew, he wanted a glorius fight that he hasnt had for a long time. Instead he got a refusal and a spectacle to the people by monk. That would be disgusting to somebody like bill who sent a challenge and then showed up all by himself for a duel to the death