Someone posted this critical (re: USB port) comment anonymously on the Newegg sales page for this mobo: "Tons of multi-TT USB controllers, and Thunderbolt 4 support if you want to add it Pros: Several high quality USB controllers built into the board. Two GL852 and one ASM1074. The downside is that two of the controllers(one GL852 and ASM1074) which control eight USB ports in total are routed to the front panel headers. My computer's case doesn't have 8 front panel USB ports so I had to buy little adapters to convert the front panel headers and actually use the ports coming from these controllers. Both the GL852 and ASM1074 have multi-TT, or multiple transaction translators. So for USB 2.0 devices you get a dedicated transaction translator for every single device- even if they are all connected to the same USB controller. Multi-TT is very important for devices that use the USB 2.0 protocol. This completely solves the problem of needing to buy PCIe USB expanders for USB devices that experience conflict, latency, noise, and disconnect on single transaction translator controllers. Single-TT controllers are cheap to make and widespread, so it is impressive that Asrock used Multi-TT controllers for all three USB controllers. The engineers at Asrock are smart. This is the perfect motherboard for Virtual Reality setups that have full body tracking or multiple VR accessories. This is the perfect motherboard for musicians and professionals with multiple audio devices of different varieties. This is the perfect motherboard for all people who have modern setups with several USB devices of mixed 2.0 and 3.0 protocols. It is perfect for streamers as well since they tend to be a mix of all of these things. Refer to the motherboard manual to see the block diagram and how the ports are wired to find the multi-TT USB ports. Cons: The downside is that most of the rear USB ports come directly from the B650 chipset instead of the nice USB controllers Asrock put on the board. Eight of the USB ports from the GL852 and ASM1074 are going to front panel headers for the computer case; you need adapters to convert the front panel headers to usable USB ports. I can't find any datasheet outlining if AMD chipset USB ports are single-TT or multi-TT. To this day there are endless reports of USB from AMD chipsets being unreliable and disconnecting randomly if you google it. "AMD chipset USB problems". AMD tried to work around it via BIOS updates with mixed results. I would guess the entire AMD chipset is single-TT; it uses just one transaction translator for absolutely everything. This is very cheap and cost-effective but doesn't work at all in the real world. With single-TT one USB 2.0 device can hog its entire 2.0 worth of bandwidth and all other devices on USB ports coming from the same controller/chipset will disconnect or stutter and then reconnect "randomly". You can try to disallow any one device from hogging the bandwidth with BIOS/firmware workarounds like AMD did but then that workaround brings its own slowdown and issues. The focus of the entire computer industry is on USB 3.0 and above these days but almost all real-world devices connect on USB 2.0 protocol. Mouse, Keyboard, DAC, Audio Interface, Wireless Headsets, Printers, Bluetooth, Game Controllers, VR Trackers, VR Controllers, Webcams, USB Speakers, USB Storage, USB Mics, and more. USB 2.0 requires multiple transaction translators to function correctly if there is more than one device per controller. With companies being cheapskates and chaining 5+ USB ports to one controller/chipset- a controller which is then also cheaply made to be single-TT- you can imagine why USB is reported as completely unreliable in some computers. Asrock is the only one I could find including so many multi-TT USB controllers built right into the motherboard. But you have to dig into the motherboard manual to find the block diagram and then struggle to find the multi-TT ports. Practically all the rear ports on this motherboard come from the AMD chipset which is extremely unreliable for USB and flat out doesn't work for VR full body trackers and mixed audio; or basically anything that uses USB 2.0 protocol. The shape of connector (C, Type A, etc) does not matter, most USB devices are still only using USB 2.0. Overall Review: Asrock, if you are reading this: make the next version of Livemixer have the unreliable direct-from-chipset USB ports go to the front panel headers. USB ports from the multi-TT USB controllers should all be going to the rear ports. The current configuration of these Livemixer motherboards sends EIGHT multi-TT USB controller ports to the front panel connectors. Nobody has a computer case with 8 front panel USB ports. These high-quality $50 USB controllers you added to the motherboard are doing nothing in most people's computers. Nobody knows about transaction translators, nobody has 8 front panel USB ports on their computer case, nobody is spending $$ on front panel header adapters, nobody is getting the full benefit of this motherboard. Livemixer is a great idea that is helpful for all streamers, VR enthusiasts, audio enthusiasts, professionals, and people with tons of mixed USB. It is an amazing value and the concept behind it is very smart. Keep using multi-TT USB controllers in the next iteration of Livemixer, but route the ports better please. I am a fan regardless. I am very thankful for whoever writes the motherboard manuals; they included the exact layouts and names of the controllers used. Having controller names(e.g. Genesys Logic 852) is the only reason I was able to look up datasheets and check whether they are single-TT or multi-TT. Big thumbs up to everyone at Asrock! Just please route the multi-TT USB ports more thoughtfully on the next iteration of this board."

Its nice to see a mobo that's not just more of the same. A little variety for a change.

I love your MOBO deep dives, nobody even comes close to you in this type of content and I daresay there's barely anyone who can do it as well. I was wondering if you could do one for the B650 Aorus Pro AX; to me it looks like the best value purchase for AM5 right now.

Brian from ASRock (Malaysia) here - thank you for doing a deepdive on this board. I have it too and I love it!

About the lack of SATA Ports, Level1techs showed a special Version of this Board with a x670 Expansion Card. This Card contains another Chipset and turns it into an x670 Board. It comes with 10 GBit LAN some USB3 and two more SATA Ports! It needs a short Cable that goes to a special Connector on the Board so it can be controlled in the Bios.

Love this content man, do I push overclocking limits? Naa, but it's really interesting to see and learn how this stuff works, and get an insight into generational changes on a hardware level rather than just on a "fps vs temperature" level. Keep it up!

YESS, the "MOAR USB" mobo

I love the look of this board.

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I know you hate making videos but the world would be worse off without these. Thank you.

Interesting design choices. Thanks for the video. Surprised it wasn't regulated a bit better with the back socket modification.

Pretty sick design with that nickelodeon slime & graffiti look they did. Hopefully other manufacturers put colour designs as well!

About the APUs, I kinda wish they would enlarge the SOC VRM for these boards. At stock the 5600G/5700G are fine because VDDCR_GFX fluctuates like a dGPU does and power is low, but when running fixed OC @ VSOC, the AM4 SOC VRMs really struggled to keep voltage up. Maybe SOC VRM needs to be bigger, or board vendors just are disregarding SOC LLC. 5600G less so, but 5700G between the B550I Aorus AX, B550I Gaming Edge Max, B550 Strix-I and B550M-itx/ac, ~35-40A through SOC at 2300MHz all result in serious voltage drops, way too much for even max loadline to do anything. The solution is just to crank VSOC higher but even on the relatively hardy APUs, can't just keep raising VSOC forever. Of course, I understand *why* no one cares about SOC, but if AM5 APUs get a bigger core and DDR5 keeps improving, I can see this problem repeating and maybe exacerbated on AM5.

Very surprised you didn't get the special version with the extra chipset. It's too weird not to have!

I would love to see you talk about what pads *dont* have anything soldered on. Eg. there is the PWR_CFG header right next to the voltage controller, that must be something you could connect to an EVC and mess with the load line, etc. Then there is TPMS1, which looks like it could be an unpopulated LPC header, which may sometimes be used to connect a debug LED module to boards that do not have one. There is an UART1 connector, which might also be a juicy thing, as it is usually used for firmware development, if you are lucky you might even get some debug info straight from the AGESA code, way before you have display output. Finally there is also the unpopulated AUX_J2 which should probably be the GPIO link that is required for running Asrock's funky X670-on-a-card expansion card. Oh and also a Thunderbolt header that may or may not work.

I learnt something: AMD makes USB BIOS Flashback a universal feature with AM5, old cpu no longer required to flash bios

You know what, the pricing on this thing is starting to become quite reasonable. I think i'll use this thing for a friend's CAD build. The masses of USB connectors is great.

I love these videos. Thank you BZ!

First time watching one of your vids. The geeky nerdiness level is through the roof 😀. I took a chance on this board, $149 from newegg. Just waiting for it to get here. I barely understood any of what you said, but it sounds like you think the board is good. So I think I should be happy with it.

For a second, I thought that was the same board with two chipsets(650 + 670 add-on card) that Wendell has. It would be cool to do a breakdown of that thing.

I'm also on the "gimme all the usb ports" team. It's frustrating to disregard an otherwise great mobo because they cheap out on usb a.

Lack of SATA as a creator is a disappointment. They could have easily made a trade off in the number of USB and added the other 2 typical SATA's. Or, they could have just added the 2 additional SATA's at minimal expense. Some of us need to burn disks and add “working” SATA storage in our real time work as one example. The industry has to get over its love affair with M.2's and an over abundance of USB'S and do some in-depth research to examine various “creator fields” workflows, MOBO, peripheral, and software needs.

I'd be really interesting to see the savings on the bill of materials with having only 2 sata ports. I understand why a board would only have 4 since that is the most sata ports you can give without needing to add switches as sata ports can otherwise take up lanes for M.2 but two just seems like some hardcore penny pinching.

Actually a cool board. Price is brutal for what it is, but at least it's something new. Also, mobo VRMs on low end and midrange boards went from barely not exploding to complete fucking overkill in 5 years, and i think that's cause of you lol.

The color scheme of this board reminds me of the time my mom wouldn't let me wear a red shirt with orange pants.

Jeeeeej the sky is blue, the coffee is black, and the mobo is... orange? LOL mounted a firewire card in the second slot for my audio converter. low audio latency is a goal. works well. thank you :)

I've been looking for what Motherboard to purchase coming from Zen2 since I can really need that nice Single Core performance upgrade. I guess I wasn't in "The Know" anymore for a long time since I was really confussed why there's 2 8pin CPU Connectors. Well, thankfully got my answer. Now just to find a good midrange ~200€ B650 Board ;D

look forward to see your take on z790 mobos

I'd LOVE to see a video of your thoughts on the Asrock X670 add-in card.

Great Video. Dual 8 pin cpu connectors also deliver power to the PCIE slots. So running a power hungry gpu with additional PCIE expansion cards can exceed what a single CPU 8 pin cable can push. I had it happen to me on my x570 with 5950x, the system would just shut down when under heavy load, plugged in the second 8 pin CPU cable and that fixed the problem. Guess how long it took me to figure out what was causing the issue when I hear Buildzoid say "you dont need to plug in the second 8pin." lol

Love these videos... Anyway what do you think about the Asrock B650E PG-ITX Wifi being the only AM5 board so far that does NOT have flashback? I was under the impression it was on all boards, like you said, as mandated by AMD.

ASRock has always done weird stuff with backplates and mounting holes, seemingly unafraid to be the odd one out. For example with Athlon 64 Socket 754 motherboards, ASRock unilateraly refused to offer standard mounting holes and instead used Intel's 478 mounting system much to the confusion of those who unknowningly purchased incompatible coolers that required use the backplate.

It's a shame Realtek LAN dominates the lower end of the motherboard market. It's something where Intel is discernibly better as soon as you get into using any feature beyond the basics.

Cant they put a postcode just so it looks impressive instead of a 2nd 8pin for the cpu?:)

One thing I find odd about this motherboard is the inclusion of *only* 2 SATA connectors, instead of the usual minimum of 4... If you're a creator, you would probably need a bunch of SATA drives connected to the PC for lots of storage, so having just 2 SATA connector available is strange Also, how good would this motherboard be for the Ryzen 9 7900X? Especially when not OC'd?

Would you recommend to wait for the 8000s am5 chips? or newer better chipsets?

I'd buy this, but lack of PS/2, sata ports, and the violent orange BIOS sure are deal killers. A blind person can't use a bios unless it's white text on a solid black background. All BIOSES should be white text on a black background. Every time I had to reset or make a change int he BIOS I would have to ask someone to be my eyes for me. Which is crazy stwpid. Your CMOS battery die, and your SOL until you can guide a nn tech person verbally throught he bios reading every single thing back to you. You wouldn't believe how many hard to find peripherals still use PS/2 ports that content creators use. Trackballs, wacom tablets, etc. I never know what these mobo manufacturers are thinking by leaving off the PS/2 port. You can't install Windows 7 or older operating system without a PS/2 port, because there's no USB drivers installed yet to recognize the keyboard or mouse during setup. People have had to roll their own ISO's of Windows 7 just get the USB drivers in there just to install the frigging OS on motherboards that leave the PS/2 port off .face palm.

My perception right or wrong was that ASROCK makes an inferior product. However, the looks of this board has my interest. Nice to see some colour for a change.

Is it possible that in the future there are AM5 processors which do use the two 8 pin connectors ?

M.2 to SATA boards exist, including ones that work in the "WiFi" M.2 slots. Let alone PCIe to SATA cards. Jus' Sayin'.

Well I was thinking to buy it but only 2 sata are not good for my. Well if it's on sale I will get it. But if it's not I am going with Gigabyte motherboard

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managed to snag this for 140eur brand new, not really huge fan of the design as while it c an look good its bit restrictive to one color scheme, but good price is good price

I think the problem with Renesas controllers its the overshoot of the Vcore at least on Ryzen 5000 series on default setting i have seen max 1,535 Vcore reading on hvinfo64 on 2 different motherboard b550 with Renesas RAA 229004 and 5900x on default settings after 2-3h normal use on windows 10 , now with another board with Infineon IR35201 and same cpu i have seen max on Vcore with same usage max 1,472 Vcore hvinfo64...

Hi, one question, this is a good mobo to do overclock on 7800X3D,i know that X670 or extreme versions are the best for overclock but for me is a bit expensive. Thanks

"Ultra power USB" lol I wonder whether they support USB-C power delivery... That's the actual useful one imho

Will you do review with addon card for this motherboard “X670 XPANSION KIT” its looks kinda crazy ..

if you had to choose between two , would you go with B650E PG Riptide or Live Mixer ?

X370 k7 paired with ryzen 3600 and ddr4 F4-3200c16-16gvk32gb(bdie) what best stable oc i can get from this specs? Please help

can we get more ram timing OC? cause you are the RAM guy

Good god no do not plug in your cmos clear jumper to your reset button... First visually impaired person that presses the reset button when the comptuer hands is going to end up with an inoperative unrecovabel system because they are in no way going to be able to navigate that bios visually to select the boot drive, and every other setting that has to be changed that is not default, etc. The manufacturer should make the CMOS clear an actual moment switch on the mbo not a jumper. You got to face palm that they wasted space on two 8 pin cpu power connectors to look impressive, but left off two 7 segment displays which would take up the same space and be way more impressive visually. Esp. If they were even hex.

So snap wait can you install a Corsair H150i AIO on this because of the wonky backplate....??? Ughhh yeah.. it replaces the backplate.

Any plans to review Asrock B650E Riptide?

Is the ASUS TUF Gaming X670E-Plus Any good? It's the cheapest 670E board available for me.

Got this in a deal for 199, ca. 2 weeks ago. It was also the cheapest B650 board at that time. Slapped a 7600 in. I dislike ASRrocks BIOS updating schedule on this, otherwhise iam pretty happy with it. As of right now, the lates BIOS has not the newest AGESA and is a BETA version and over 3 months old!! They pulled the previous newest BIOS because AMD pulled the new AGESA and they still havent put out a new BIOS, despite the AGESA beeing fixed by AMD. I had to download the taken down newest BIOS in some forum from a guy that luckily saved it. The current official 1.11.AS03[Beta] from their website is not able to handle my memory and the 7600 it seems. I punch in any voltage change of the cpu or ram and the board simply refuses to boot. Which sucks because my Kingston Fury Beast 6000 cl40 sucks and spits out MEMTEST errors at stock voltage. At 1.408v its fine it seems. With the pulled bios 1.14.AS06, that i got a hold on, its better and i can play around with overclocking, but it seems unstable and they need to work alot on this boards BIOS because everything seems so unstable.

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Missing PS/2 port and like only 2 audio jacks? With a name like LIvemixer, you would think they would have the best Audio.... instead of osme bad joke for audio.

why did you buy this one? you dont seem like a colors guy.,

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Please review the overclocking board Asus Rog strix b650e-e. I mean this is an overclocking channel right?