I swear to god if they copyright claim this one, we all about to swarm MGM with pitchforks and torches

Thankyou!!

Thank you so much ❤️❤️

Thank you so very much! It’s greatly appreciated.

I love the length of this. Had dinner, cleared the table and now in bed falling asleep to you telling me this review. 🤗😊. Good night from down under.

The perfect description!!

This deserves more like lol and a like from Kennie 😁👍🏻

@@KpopBishForever it does not.

@@user-mv5tm8eu5z mind your own business, why waste your time leaving hate, when you could spend it better scr3wing the fu*k off to do something of actual value and meaning?

@@user-mv5tm8eu5z ALL HAIL THE PEPSI QUEEN! 🙌🏻🖕🏻😝

DJJABSSKBXJXNBDBHS I GOT A HEART Y'ALL I CAN DIE IN PEACE

Isn't that a requirement for being an art person?

@@AM-kr4pv I mean.... internal criticism and all that (But low key "art people" stopped me from going to a better art school bc I didn't want to deal with the ones I went to high school with 😂)

she hates "art people" not art

@@tinyartistTV ooop...👀👀 and thats the 🍵..🤭🤭

LMFAO

Art people hate art people it's like weebs

@@bleedingbellybutton9403 I feel like the art people we genuinely dislike are only the ones who use it to talk down to others around them. I don’t mind someone going on a wordy tangent as long as they’re not giving “you simpleton” vibes

@@broomhilder and Anish Kapoor

​@@broomhilder or just saying words that mean nothing, she's being very prolific

*applause* You said it way better than I did. YES!!

It’s insane how accurately you described it, to me personally it was not funny at all but yeah I can understand for those who have never experienced child abuse why it’s funny

@@malikahphillips7 so right. My mother was extremely abusive. I walked on egg shells all the time. Scared to say or do anything for fear of being beat. It has affected me so much that I became a people pleaser, and easily led astray, or taken advantage of. Because I was always so scared to speak up for myself or say how I really felt with my mother for fear of being beat. I became like that with everyone. This movie was not funny to me at all.

@@chipmunkred1519 I’m honestly so sorry to hear that honestly abuse from a mother is a very deep thing as the mother is representative of that nurturing and caring aspect in our lives but to be abused by that person honestly can really create a sense of self hatred which till this day I still battle with and the people pleasing thing I understand all to well but the ironic thing is before me and my mum had our problems she actually showed this film to me when I was very young and I became obsessed with it who knew it would end up foreshadowing my future In some twisted way

@@malikahphillips7 Thank you for your kindness. I’m so sorry to hear how your mother was as well. I honestly think they watch stuff like this so they won’t make themselves feel bad for what they do or did. They can watch someone they feel is worse than them. And tell themselves that at least their not as evil as the person in the movie. My mother never watched mommy dearest as far as I know of or if she did maybe once. But she watches this channel on KZfaq, and it’s only about parents who have abused their kids or killed them. It’s called the AFC PODCAST. she watches it all day. And I know she does so she can make herself feel better.

I believe it. They’ve let off child molesters because the victim “didn’t cry enough.”

That’s still how a lot of people think. Not much has really changed about that.

@@XavierVB it's really fcked up honestly

@@jikookmints honestly

It still like that right now; society as a whole disgusts me when it comes to handling abuse claims

Hahaha :D Soraya is an ICON :D

not soraya lmao

oh my god yes! my mind instantly compared her to soraya

QUÉ HACES BESANDO A LA LISIADA!??!??!

@@mochhhhee hahahaha

fwiw i didn't find it funny but did find it comforting that people found it funny--when you're in that situation the abuser tends to try and convince you that their own overreactions and abusive behaviours are natural and the way of the world. to have other people, ostensibly normal people, point and laugh and call it outrageous? so healing. it's like, no yeah, my abuser was absolutely bullshitting, and i wasn't crazy for seeing the nonsensical nature of their behaviour, look at all these people laughing at the way he behaved.

​@furbyacolyte5604 I agree so much. Its so healing

This!!!

They more than likely were like Jennie before watching this movie, people just don't know.

yeah true

@@tokofukawa4654 Yes. They. Do. That statement is not only unsubstantiated but there are mountains of research that disprove the concept as a whole. Adults will deny their own trauma litterally onto their deathbed, rather than deal with the impact of said trauma on their lives.

@@dezerayb3980 eh i did write that with a voice in the back kinda going “yeah maybe thats not true” so….yeah. looking back i see the holes in what i said lol

We dont question it, she just does...

@@thatonegirl3782 facts lmao

@@thefairydoja what's that supposed to mean??

Thank you like I need an explanation

Skin tone - neutral

I 10000% understand the “THATS abuse” thing that abusive parents say. I always get that bullshit and it’s like “yes you don’t force me to eat rotten food but you also emotionally abused me for years” like 💀

Yes other abusive parents point to this story and others like it to justify their own abhorrent behavior.

Wow. My abusive mother acted totally different. I called her mommy dearest one day. I hadn’t watched the movie yet , but had heard other people saying the name joking so I thought it most have meant something cool or funny. I MADE A HUGE MISTAKE!!!! She was furious!! She slapped me in my face and then told me never to call her that again. I didn’t have a chance to watch the movie until I became an adult. I understand now why she became so upset. She seen her self in that film.

My mom absolutely did. She had me watch it with her when I was 8 or 9. She said that it was to show that she’s not that bad because she wasn’t as bad as Joan.

My mom and I would watch this movie often when she would braid my hair down my back on Saturdays and we would laugh and make jokes, but I was 11 at the time and I used to find it strange that she would giggle with me because I'm laughing since it's like watching my mom on screen and she's laughing because.. 🙃

Makes sense she probably wasn't abusive towards them, very common.

thats fucked up

@@liyah. Or she was but they didn’t want to be cut off from the money. Or due to a trauma bond, their normal meter is broken.

@Puccini Fan ooh yeah, the other two children were much younger.

In CHRISTINA CRAWFORD'S memoir "Mommie Dearest" she wrote of an incident whereby she ALLEGES Joan Crawford strangled her after she returned home from boarding school for summer vacation in June 1953. When Christina wrote of this allegation, she stated Joan had "a look in her eyes that will never be erased from my memory." After this ALLEGED altercation, Christina was sent immediately back to boarding school. Christina published "Mommie Dearest" in October 1978. Nearly simultaneously to her writing this FRAUDULENT memoir, Christina was court ordered to be questioned in an UNDER-OATH deposition by Joan Crawford's estate in February 1978. During her UNDER-OATH, court-ordered deposition, Christina is specifically questioned about this incident, to which she responded: "I don't know what you are referring to," and continues to evade the questions regarding this incident. In addition to Christina's complete, on the record, CONTRIDICTION of this event, the EYE-WITNESS to this event came forward in 1981 to confirm Christina LIED in her book. That EYE-WITNESS is Billie Greene, She was Joan's assistant at the time. Greene stated in her unpublished interview: "I believe I'm quoted as saying 'Stop, you'll kill her."...I can tell you that I've never seen any discipline towards Christina or the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night." (Greene's full interview is in-depth and REVEALING) *Credit to ChristinaCrawfordLied facebook.*

YES

I would do it while she was still alive, I would know she wouldn't give any money to the kids, too predictable, and she could be here to see all that.

@@LuanaSantos-rl4sb She was afraid of what her mother would do in response. As she likely should have been.

@@circadianite In CHRISTINA CRAWFORD'S memoir "Mommie Dearest" she wrote of an incident whereby she ALLEGES Joan Crawford strangled her after she returned home from boarding school for summer vacation in June 1953. When Christina wrote of this allegation, she stated Joan had "a look in her eyes that will never be erased from my memory." After this ALLEGED altercation, Christina was sent immediately back to boarding school. Christina published "Mommie Dearest" in October 1978. Nearly simultaneously to her writing this FRAUDULENT memoir, Christina was court ordered to be questioned in an UNDER-OATH deposition by Joan Crawford's estate in February 1978. During her UNDER-OATH, court-ordered deposition, Christina is specifically questioned about this incident, to which she responded: "I don't know what you are referring to," and continues to evade the questions regarding this incident. In addition to Christina's complete, on the record, CONTRIDICTION of this event, the EYE-WITNESS to this event came forward in 1981 to confirm Christina LIED in her book. That EYE-WITNESS is Billie Greene, She was Joan's assistant at the time. Greene stated in her unpublished interview: "I believe I'm quoted as saying 'Stop, you'll kill her."...I can tell you that I've never seen any discipline towards Christina or the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night." (Greene's full interview is in-depth and REVEALING) **Credit to ChristinaCrawfordLied facebook.***

@@Garsons-oq4lh omfg stfu, I thought I just saw you in one comment section but no you’re spreading this everywhere. So you’re gonna sit there, citing a literal FACEBOOK account as evidence when the two siblings both correlated their stories, it’s not uncommon for abusive parents with multiple children to play favoritism so it’s not surprising that 2 of them were unscathed, but to call Christina a liar just because some Facebook account said so is such a bizarre mindset, and the fact you’re relentlessly copying and pasting this comment over and over is sad. You really must be quite bored if you spend your own time doing this like a bot.

I think that's exactly what the producers of the movie were going for. She was always 'acting'.

That's what I figured too. Faye Dunaway was acting like actresses did in 1940's melodramas. It's why the over-the-top acting didn't bother me, as it seemed realistic to the character.

The only thing Joan Crawford needed were fans, who would worship her and do whatever the hell she wants without protesting. She wanted her kids to treat her like they were fans. She always got what she wanted at the end of the day.

Well. My aunt was prima theatre artist in my country and she always acted, both on and off-stage. There were lot's of resemblances between my aunt and Joan's character, and the way she's been portrayed in the movie especially, her megalomaniac and narcissistic features. Though, I don't know whether my aunt would have been abusive towards her kids, since she'd had no kids, lol. Also, if you read the novel Theatre by Somerset Maugham, you'd realize that many great actors live similar lives as Joan and have similar traits, as her.

In CHRISTINA CRAWFORD'S memoir "Mommie Dearest" she wrote of an incident whereby she ALLEGES Joan Crawford strangled her after she returned home from boarding school for summer vacation in June 1953. When Christina wrote of this allegation, she stated Joan had "a look in her eyes that will never be erased from my memory." After this ALLEGED altercation, Christina was sent immediately back to boarding school. Christina published "Mommie Dearest" in October 1978. Nearly simultaneously to her writing this FRAUDULENT memoir, Christina was court ordered to be questioned in an UNDER-OATH deposition by Joan Crawford's estate in February 1978. During her UNDER-OATH, court-ordered deposition, Christina is specifically questioned about this incident, to which she responded: "I don't know what you are referring to," and continues to evade the questions regarding this incident. In addition to Christina's complete, on the record, CONTRIDICTION of this event, the EYE-WITNESS to this event came forward in 1981 to confirm Christina LIED in her book. That EYE-WITNESS is Billie Greene, She was Joan's assistant at the time. Greene stated in her unpublished interview: "I believe I'm quoted as saying 'Stop, you'll kill her."...I can tell you that I've never seen any discipline towards Christina or the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night." (Greene's full interview is in-depth and REVEALING) *Credit to ChristinaCrawfordLied facebook.*

a bunch of different celebrities have in interviews mentioned abusive incidents that they personally saw, they knew but they wanted to protect their own and not open the gates for celebrities dishing dirt on each other.

Yes. I’m finally now processing my first two decades, and I’m angry about how many adults were involved and should have done some thing… teachers, doctors, friend’s parents. People always put the onus on abuse victims to ask for help BUT WE OFTEN DO and adults ignore it as “private family business.” Especially when it’s an abusive mother.

In CHRISTINA CRAWFORD'S memoir "Mommie Dearest" she wrote of an incident whereby she ALLEGES Joan Crawford strangled her after she returned home from boarding school for summer vacation in June 1953. When Christina wrote of this allegation, she stated Joan had "a look in her eyes that will never be erased from my memory." After this ALLEGED altercation, Christina was sent immediately back to boarding school. Christina published "Mommie Dearest" in October 1978. Nearly simultaneously to her writing this FRAUDULENT memoir, Christina was court ordered to be questioned in an UNDER-OATH deposition by Joan Crawford's estate in February 1978. During her UNDER-OATH, court-ordered deposition, Christina is specifically questioned about this incident, to which she responded: "I don't know what you are referring to," and continues to evade the questions regarding this incident. In addition to Christina's complete, on the record, CONTRIDICTION of this event, the EYE-WITNESS to this event came forward in 1981 to confirm Christina LIED in her book. That EYE-WITNESS is Billie Greene, She was Joan's assistant at the time. Greene stated in her unpublished interview: "I believe I'm quoted as saying 'Stop, you'll kill her."...I can tell you that I've never seen any discipline towards Christina or the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night." (Greene's full interview is in-depth and REVEALING) *CREDIT TO CHRISTINACRAWFORDLIED facebook.*

@@Garsons-oq4lh this is not true fake new

@@niange5404 Christina Crawford recently compared her life at 19 (when her mother, Joan Crawford, stopped her monthly allowance) to the life of a child sold into sex trafficking. FACT: Christina's adult monthly allowance was stopped due to her QUITTING the college that her mother paid for, and for QUITTING the job (in the entertainment industry) that her mother got for her after she quit college. After Christina's monthly allowance was stopped, she worked low-end jobs to support herself as an adult. Yet, in Christina's mind, that is the equivalent of a child being sold into sex trafficking. THIS is the deeply unbalanced mind who wrote the enormously EXAGGERATED and FALSE book "Mommie Dearest" after she was disinherited. Christina Crawford is an INSULT to REAL abused and neglected children around the world. *CREDIT TO THE OWNER/AUTHOR OF CHRISTINA CRAWFORD LIED ON FACEBOOK*

Fr tho!

Yes ! I was LITERALLY just about to type this! It’s like she watched so many bad movies that she subconsciously leaned how to act 😂

That's true.

Ikr

Right! At some points I didn’t realize she was voicing over lol

That's so messed up on every level. I'm sorry you had to go through that! Sending you good thoughts!

My mom convinced herself that I was flirting with my own father when I was 10.

@@jocelyncooper1738 WHAT

@@jocelyncooper1738 How low self esteem do you need to have, to think that a 10 year old is cappable of taking away your man, that is also her father... I'm so sorry that happend to you.

When I was like 5-7 somewhere around there my family was going out to dinner with a long time family friend and his(the family friend) girlfriend got jealous because he was holding my hand and cutting my meat etc.

I think it has more to do with Faye as Joan being basically a drag show. The exaggerated makeup, expressions, acting and so on.

gays are often very misogynistic, so why not

I have BPD and PTSD, sending so much love ❤️

I also saw my relationship with my mom. The wire hanger scene could have been filmed in my house growing up.

Y’all!!! SAME! Kennie was talking about going back and forth on the hair cutting scene and I was sitting here sitting in the chilling dawning realization that this exact thing had happened to me and that it WAS indeed ABUSE. My mom would support me coloring and dying my hair at home very young despite having no hair experience. Once she got so upset over how fried my hair had gotten when she’d used a too high developer when I wanted my hair purple, but really I didn’t mind. I wanted my hair long and she’d always liked to appear to everyone that she was “cool” and supportive over my choice of expression through my hair even with funky colors. But with this she grabbed the scissors and insisted she cut it. It was fine(as an adult now who continues to dye my own and all my friends hair I can say it wasn’t even half bad- I’ve seen so much worse done by professionals who pass it off as ‘fringed’) but she literally locked me in the bathroom refusing to let me leave without cutting my hair, scissors in hand. She chopped my below shoulder length hair to around my ears while I sat on the toilet seat and sobbed. The thing that’s so insidious about childhood abuse from a functioning parent with BPD is how much it can seem like a dramatization of a person, of a instance of abuse when they’re in one of their states. Because it is. It is very much someone who is so familiar to you, who by all means appears to be what they ought be in front of other people and when they’re in a good place. Things can be fine enough that you tell yourself that it’s okay. That the things that happen such as this are a grain of sand in a bucket. But it’s not. It’s not a bucket, it’s an hour glass. And the sand keeps trickling in while you have no idea whether the next grain to fall through the opening will be safe and fine or whether you should have your shields up to defend yourself from the barrage that is ultimately inevitable. I am so sorry for what you’ve had to go through. You deserved better than you got. I’m glad that you’re here today and now, aware and educated it seems, with tools in your toolbox to understand and face the struggles of the past. Funny how reviews like this, and a camp movie can bring up deep interpersonal realizations and identifying with something this way. Love Kennie JD for things like this. It’s layered- you get goofs with bad movies, you get great makeup, you get legitimate film analysis, and then she also brings applicable life introspection even in places I think she doesn’t necessarily intend to. All this to say, power to you, and great review Kennie JD.

Sending my love! Hope you feel better soon!!

@@pigglywiggly6672 ty ☺️

To be fair, Dunaway later said in interviews that the director pushed her to more and more absurd depiction and never reigned her in. She said she felt betrayed by the director for never being pushed back towards a different portrayal. She hates the movie.

@@laurenwasinger9436 I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info!

@@madamefluffy4788 yep. She mostly deflects from the film in interviews nowadays. It often ends with something along the lines of “only God knows and they know what happened between them.”

@@JuriAmari Basically if "try Jesus, don't try me" and "fuq around and find out" we're merged together in an elegant way to keep people from asking about this every time lol.

I grew up in the 80's, and I don't think I'd ever heard the term "child abuse" until after Mommie Dearest came out. When I was younger it was "discipline". Shit, corporal punishment hadn't been outlawed in schools until 1977 in my home state. And even after that, a teacher could still grip you up until you had bruises on your arm and your parents would just say "Well that's what happens when you act up in class." I'm amazed that my generation isn't more messed up than we are.

@@jaye61970 this exactly. Fellow 80s kid here.

Same and agreed it must have been so hard to come out with it especially given her mother's popularity and power

so sorry you had to go through that. child abuse wasn't made a federal crime until 1974, & its horrifying that parents (or other adults) could get away with abuse, neglect, & murder for so long with no repercussions. yet, these laws STILL didn't do much to change the culture around child abuse, the secrecy, the backwards thinking, etc. that still exists today. again, I am so sorry. I have dedicated my professional career to destigmatizing abuse, ending it, & helping future generations survive. I can only hope to make a drop in the bucket 🙏🏿

@@jaye61970 Same. This movie coming on HBO back then changed everything for me. I figure we're just as messed up as all the previous generations. We're just the first to start talking about it, saying "This is bs" and going to therapy en masse, lol. Hopefully our kids will get better, and their kids, and so forth.

Same to me. I find it disturbing that Kennie laughs at it tbh. Every scene she showed and described make me deeply uncomfortable, while she kept going like "this is hilarious". I find that deeply sickening and disrespectful. I understand that people who had more normal lives will find this ridiculous, since they think this is just "overreacting". But the child actress played as being terrified pretty well, imo. She showed properly how for a kid, this is abusive and terrifying. I don't know how people see this movie and think "that actress is being over the top" instead of "that child is terrified for her life"

same, like i get that some people might think it's overacting and not realistic because most people don't have parents who just fly off the handle on a whim. like the "overacting" is genuinely how parents like this are like, even the whole "acting like a supervillain" thing was so real to me. watching this movie genuinely had me in fight or flight the entire time, her going into a rage at random moments after super small inconveniences or even nothing at all was just so close to home, it wasnt "unrealistic" its just something that people don't experience very often i guess

Girl I was working 2 jobs in high school because my parents didn't buy me new clothes or give me lunch money everyday. My mom went into my room while I was at work and threw all my clothes away because (she could) and wow what a power move to just not only be a shit mom but take it another level to essentially being like of you think you can have a happy life in my house you're wrong. Got bullied so bad for wearing the same outfit everyday

I’m so sorry you experienced that :^(

Im so sorry

@@DeeRio9546 do we have the same mom? Geez, now that I live in my own home and safe space- I’m a minimalist since I was never able to keep a lot of things(only enough to fill my room nothing was allowed to be stored in the basement etc meanwhile she had one of the bedrooms converted into a walkin closet for her stuff) and I clean obsessively everyday. 😔 Mom says that that stuff never happened though so it all good I guess 🙃😂

@@Kira-bo2lq wow I'm sorry to hear that but ya I think we did lol. I'm a not a minimalist but I'm trying to be for a while I used to buy stuff all the time to fill the void and also because I was scared to lose or have someone take stuff I wanted. I wasn't a hoarder per say but I realized it wasn't healthy and I had to go through therapy and deal with my problems which saved my life. I'm now engaged to the love of my life and feel loved daily. Im glad your life is better too ❤️❤️

never thought of that but now I 100% agree

kennie is getting increasingly more analytical, her intelligence shines through, i love her

@@rubensmuse Her intelligence has always shined through. It didn't just appear one day.

I think people who find it funny have probably never experienced this kind of abuse. Like having someone got into a violent rage over something small or insignificant is something so far from their reality, it seems like satire.

I wouldn't say the movie played it for laughs so much as the acting and pacing made not funny things occasionally absurd enough to be funny. I do agree a more competent film making job would get around that, though. People that knew Joan in real life said it was kind of freaky at times with Faye's portrayal, so I would say that actressy crazy is so much you have to really be careful as a director to not have the portrayal tip over.

@@shanchan8247 eh, idk. Many times people are also able to laugh at their own bad experiences because they realize how ridiculous they were. Like, it can bring you both bad emotions and laughter because you were hurt and scared, but also now you are safe, thinking back and it and going "what the fuck even was that".

@@shanchan8247 there are loads of people able to laugh at their own experiences, in fact you can find them in the comments. Step off the high horse and out down the soap box.

I agree, I heard that the director was just telling Fay to go wild, maybe this can be interpreted as mocking her legacy. The disturbing nature of the film doesn't really go away, it's always there and there's nothing wrong with entangling humor in it but it would be nice to see an actual movie that lets Christina's story be told without the dramatics, or not be done at all and people should just read the book.

Same. I was emotionally abused by someone (not my mother) for a few years as a child, and gaslighted. I saw Mommie Dearest as a teen because I watched old films and had previously been a fan of Joan. When I say that that movie broke me, it really broke me. I was flabbergasted and disgusted to know that this film had become a campy comedy. And I'm still flabbergasted and disgusted. This isn't any jab at Kennie or anyone who find this film funny, though. Just an observation that I'm still floored that some people couldn't see past Faye's acting (Not Kennie. She DOES see past the acting) and look much deeper into a depiction of abuse.

@@dylancastellanos87 Yeah I had also watched this film on my own as a teen although I didn't know who Joan was. I found it really upsetting so to hear there's people who find it funny was rather surprising. The vibe I got from Kennie is that she probably felt kinda pressured to laugh at it because that's how it was presented to her by the people recommending the movie. Given that, I was actually rather impressed she found it as disturbing as she did.

@@Amiitsu10 I am very much impressed that Kennie understood how disturbing this film was meant to be, even with Faye's over the top performance. Most people I've spoken to about it over the years don't seem to grasp it. Even when I tell them that it's based on the real life abuse of Joan's daughter, they kind of brush it off as "I get it. But come on, it's hilarious." Or "The no wire hanger scene is the funniest part." Like, a child getting beaten with a wire hanger is funny??? I love that Kennie gets the disturbing nature of this film's story, and that she did considerably extensive research on this film as well.

I actually thought Everything Was on point. If someone thought the film was meant to be funny they need to dig deeper because it wasn't.

Yeah unfortunately didn’t seem unrealistic to me at all :(

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Agree. It seems over the top because to people who haven’t experienced it, it seems like they are joking. But they aren’t.

I have experienced similar stuff as well and it’s near impossible to find any of this funny, it just reminded me of some incidents

My mom thinks this movie is super scary because she went through abuse when she was young from her father. I also thought it was scary but for different reasons.

i definitely think it's because even in context it's sort of insane that the person in front of you is just acting batshit insane at the smallest things, you just have this sense of really? seriously? so looking from the outside it becomes even more insane

Definitely

Well dayum... that's true

and just how hollywood perceives women above the age of thirty as some kind of this ancient thing not worth looking at anymore?

I would imagine her getting the role her daughter was meant to play was such an ego boost for her in that regard.

I'd also imagine that it's because her kids were nothing but props for her and some women have zero motherly instinct, so they'll never attach to a child not blood related.

Interesting thank you!

I was also thinking this. Maybe they knew the movie would make $$$ because people want to hear the salacious Crawford Family Tales but they didn't want to take a hard stance against one of the most iconic actresses of Old Hollywood (esp. because a lot of people in the industry had an interest in maintaining her legacy). Instead they went for this weird campy goofy middle-ground that was actually horrifying in execution.

If it was their intention it backfired. In a way i think the movie being so ridiculous and overacted was the best revenge, it completely ruined and ridiculed Joan Crawford's legacy in a way a better more serious movie wouldn't have because truthfully people don't care about abuse victims

I doubt it lol. The director was apparently inexperienced, and they had a million writers trying to figure out the script. Bad movies are made all the time, often including movies about serious topics that are just being talked about publicly; it doesn't mean a conspiracy is involved.

She did lie. It’s a stone cold fact.

@@serenawilliams6138 Give us evidence then, Serena.

@@sethsbigtits2008 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lZifiLaqnt6Ugas.html Here is proof of several instances when Christina contrived things manipulatively or the liberties that were taken with the truth. These situations are clarified by the people who were involved or present in some of her allegations too. Everything is sourced. It’s ironic because there are many people who supported Joan but show me the people who supported Christina’s version of events? What “teachers” supposedly supported her claims? I’m still waiting for that evidence! In fact, Christina said that her mother didn’t pay for her education or help her through school! Not only did she pay for her entire education, she paid for her apartment after she graduated until she started working! Being a strict exacting parent and being a crazy, messed up child abuser are mutually exclusive, and there are several parts of that book that don’t even take a web sleuth to debunk. “Mommie Dearest “ is truly one of the greatest cons of the literary world of memoirs.

Same. The scenes that make others laugh give me ptsd.

I vividly remember my mother screaming at me like a banshee over not wanting to share ice cream, so yeah lmao. Reasonable people don’t (understandably) understand narcissistic abusers.

My mother accused me of flirting with my own father when I was 10 or 11 years old, when I was actually being abused. So the whole “get this flosie away from me seen” really hit home.

Literally watched my mom throw a full body tantrum on the floor because she wasn’t getting what she wanted when I was 14. She also swung a chair at me and broke a light fixture because I wouldn’t let her pay my dental bills when I was 27. Moved out of state the next week.

As someone currently living with a narcissist father living in alternative reality. Strong agree.

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Can’t wait till you get 1k your an inspiration

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Cant believe u dont have 1000 suscribers!! Im going to suscribe to you

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well for a lot of people their abusive parents have moments where the way they’re acting isn’t appropriate but it’s a lot more subtle. so from their perspective, when their parent wasn’t being abusive, they were “normal”. what i’m trying to say is that not EVERY abuser acts almost flamboyantly 24/7.

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Listen, I don't hate kids as a total. I hate their behavior. I was abused as a kid so my hatred towards them is slightly more than the average person, however, it is very very much normal to hate a kid because they cry a lot, are annoying, they're CHILDISH. I get that that's what they're meant to be like, but I would rather not be in a room with kids than handle their behavior. I'm fully allowed to fucking ignore them for as long as they're not mine and hold no responsibility towards them

My mother did the same. It’s so pathetic.

Yeah, mental illness is not a joke.

Right!? It’s like the acting is clownish?? Idk some of y’all don’t have a bipolar mother and it showes

It doesn't absolve abusers, the movie direction was horrendously off tone and Dunaway unwittingly imbued a camp alter-ego to Joan's personality. The abuse is therefore jarring adding no context to how and why Crawford acted they way she did. and context is the key word, I didn't say excuse.

@@LentaChorum Please learn to read. I didn't say the abuser IS absolved, I said they FEEL absolved.

Funny how you say a movie villain, because one of my wildest memories is when I found a journal entry of my narcissistic mother’s talking about me, and was about how she was such a victim and how much she hated me. My literal first thought was “wow, this is like hearing the backstory of the villain”. I’ve been out for years, but yeah. Anyone with a narc or otherwise abusive mother would get this movie a lot better.

Yeah when she jokes about it I just laugh awkwardly or smile like bitch running around the whole house screaming on top of your lungs after your 6 years old daughter and then throwing her favourite school water bottle so hard at her like you are in the fucking NFL then smashing it to pieces on the floor just to make me upset ain't funny......

OMG this was exactly what I wanted to say but didnt know how!!

@@KazKindred613 THANK YOU FORREALLLLLLL

Mines did too. The crazy thing is that, I I understand the physical abuse was wrong but I’m just now understanding the mental part. For example, the Joan made Christina give away her toys. Well mines did something very similar. She would buy toys to sit on stands in my room as decorations. So anyone coming into my room would think I had all of these nice toys but I wasn’t allowed to play with them. If I received gifts I was never allowed to open all of them only one or two. The rest had to go in my closet until she said I could open them. I was so terrified to ask her to open those toys stacked in the closet that I didn’t ask for YEAR!! And when I finally got up the courage to ask she told me she didn’t even know what toys I was talking about and she didn’t care. Could you imagine being a child with a closet full of unopened toys and not being allowed to open them or play with them. And being terrified that if you did you would be beaten and verbally assaulted!!

That ⬆️

You're not alone. I take a break from social media on that day because of all the posts from people whose moms are their "best friends".

THIS

Oh wow, from everything in this video your comment was the one to break me, also finally creating boundaries with an abusive mom, stay strong,

That’s what I’m doing for the first time this year after coming out to my mom. It’s been really hard seeing all the ads and people talking about it

Same

Same, I'll admit I found some scenes overacted but I never found it... Funny? Just awkward more than anything

Yeah people who haven't seen this happen in real life think the performance is over the top but the majority of her execution of the character is pretty realistic. Having seen the movie as a kid and seeing abuse of children as a kid it felt accurate.

@@sweep8311 Yes. Awkward is the perfect description.

@@dezerayb3980 totally agree

She didn't steal Christina's role. She was worried Christina being sick would cost her the role and somewhere the producer Gloria Monty thought it would be a great idea for Joan to substitute for her daughter.

@@Garsons-oq4lh no she wasn’t worried

@@ninjaked1265 The point is by all accounts Joan did not do it out of spite or malice

@@Garsons-oq4lh I didn’t know you knew Joan personally

@Y/N LIZARD fr

Another commenter had a very interesting insight and they said it may connect to the abuse that many people in the drag community and LGBT+ community face, so it becomes a way to process

In CHRISTINA CRAWFORD'S memoir "Mommie Dearest" she wrote of an incident whereby she ALLEGES Joan Crawford strangled her after she returned home from boarding school for summer vacation in June 1953. When Christina wrote of this allegation, she stated Joan had "a look in her eyes that will never be erased from my memory." After this ALLEGED altercation, Christina was sent immediately back to boarding school. Christina published "Mommie Dearest" in October 1978. Nearly simultaneously to her writing this FRAUDULENT memoir, Christina was court ordered to be questioned in an UNDER-OATH deposition by Joan Crawford's estate in February 1978. During her UNDER-OATH, court-ordered deposition, Christina is specifically questioned about this incident, to which she responded: "I don't know what you are referring to," and continues to evade the questions regarding this incident. In addition to Christina's complete, on the record, CONTRIDICTION of this event, the EYE-WITNESS to this event came forward in 1981 to confirm Christina LIED in her book. That EYE-WITNESS is Billie Greene, She was Joan's assistant at the time. Greene stated in her unpublished interview: "I believe I'm quoted as saying 'Stop, you'll kill her."...I can tell you that I've never seen any discipline towards Christina or the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night." (Greene's full interview is in-depth and REVEALING) *Credit to ChristinaCrawfordLied facebook.*

@@Garsons-oq4lh no-one asked.

@@ImPrettyInPunk Hey just a fun fact of the day for any Christina aficionados out there.

@@Garsons-oq4lh dude i literally see you everywhere in the replies of videos related to Mommie Dearest, get a life

Sending you hugs, i hope you all the healing from what was done to you!!! You’re valid and loved my dear

Same

I'm so sorry

I thought it was because joan looked so much like the actress

Wait what, I’m so confused

I love your channel 😍😍😍

Off topic but you are gorgeous😍😍😍

@@noneofyours16 right

Yes plz. I like the blue hair! Curious how we got here lol

Ohhh shoot! Efik in the houseee 🎉🎉

I agree! I thought I was the only one who thought this

I thought it wasn’t awkward but I do that when I talk.😂

But the daughter who’s book this is based on said Joan didn’t act like that at all so the pauses and overacting wasn’t needed 🙄

@@KingRose339 right

"Actress first, person second" like what? Even Christina of all people has said this wasnt Joan

Exactly. It’s terrifying and unpredictable

My dad screamed at my brother and me for 30 minutes because the cap on a pen was left off. When I pointed out the pen cap had a hole in it to make my dad feel better it backfired the look on his face was terrifying. He yelled at is to get out we ran up to my parents bed room my brother was infront of me we were cornered my dad braved his belt and started snaping it at us. The hanger scene reminds me of it also every time I see an efffing pen

and I think that’s why people see the movie as a comedy. Most people have never experienced abuse and think it’s all overreacted enough to be comedic.

I’m so sorry that that happened to you, i wish you all the healing you need from that

Sending hugs

I constantly had fights with my father because of the way I open yoghurt and other packed food so I get you. I still have panic attacks whenever I need to open things.

@@megangrant2597 THIS. THE SMALLEST FREAKING THINGS WOULD SET OFF MY PARENTS TOO. God it’s only been a while since I’ve known I’m not alone about the abuse ugh. Sending prayers and love.

@@aateeq2451 Funny enough I was just in my kitchen with my husband and son and I was opening yoghurt and instinctively showed my husband how perfectly I did it and he honestly did not care. I was so surprised I sis not receive a lecture how much better I could have done it and that's how I realised that this is not normal! Sending love and prayers your way and to anyone else that have been through this

I didn’t realize that was abuse too. My mom always threw away my toys if my room wasn’t clean enough. She was awful in every way possible but, I thought that happened to everybody.. the toy part at least.

Ooo tell us more if you don’t mind

Tell us tell us tell us

I would like to know more as well

In CHRISTINA CRAWFORD'S memoir "Mommie Dearest" she wrote of an incident whereby she ALLEGES Joan Crawford strangled her after she returned home from boarding school for summer vacation in June 1953. When Christina wrote of this allegation, she stated Joan had "a look in her eyes that will never be erased from my memory." After this ALLEGED altercation, Christina was sent immediately back to boarding school. Christina published "Mommie Dearest" in October 1978. Nearly simultaneously to her writing this FRAUDULENT memoir, Christina was court ordered to be questioned in an UNDER-OATH deposition by Joan Crawford's estate in February 1978. During her UNDER-OATH, court-ordered deposition, Christina is specifically questioned about this incident, to which she responded: "I don't know what you are referring to," and continues to evade the questions regarding this incident. In addition to Christina's complete, on the record, CONTRIDICTION of this event, the EYE-WITNESS to this event came forward in 1981 to confirm Christina LIED in her book. That EYE-WITNESS is Billie Greene, She was Joan's assistant at the time. Greene stated in her unpublished interview: "I believe I'm quoted as saying 'Stop, you'll kill her."...I can tell you that I've never seen any discipline towards Christina or the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night." (Greene's full interview is in-depth and REVEALING) *Credit to ChristinaCrawfordLied facebook.*

Same❤.

Only way to cope till the next one

Same here. 😂😂

sounds about right

Relatable. This and the Afterburn Aftershock.

That is absolutely awful I’m so sorry you went through this.

Same. My untie I lived with. This bitch laughing through her whole review is hella annoying

My mom put me on the floor and put her knee on my chest because of a Scrabble game 🧐 Abuse looks really ridiculous sometimes and have silly 'reasons' for happening and you can't even tell people about it because it sounds completely unrealistic or even childish and some people simply don't expect adults to act like that.

It's because abuse makes the smallest things spiral in a way that's hard to explain to anyone who's never experienced it before. My mother threw me out of the house and threw bleach on me because I didn't let her use my leave-in conditioner. 🤷🏾

My wakeup call with an emotionally toxic ex, involved a giant, character assassinating, full-on tantrum argument over whether or not I had eaten a breakfast burrito before going on a breakfast date with him. It's absolutely hilarious now, but these are all the things abuse victims will keep to themselves for years because it sounds absolutely insane when you have to try and explain it to rational people. Sometimes abuse is able to hide in plain sight by being absurd, because then it's able to be trivialized.

I feel that too hard. Even after cutting my mother off, she once tried to convince my grandmother that I was “being manipulative” because I reminded her (my grandmother) to drink water while they were one the phone. She had been sick and dehydrated and I didn’t even realize she was on the phone at the time. Abusers can spin just about anything into something dramatic.

I always feel silly explaining what a tiny thing could cause a huge scene. One of my worst fears from childhood was accidentally spilling a glass of water on the table. I can still see a half-empty glass falling over in slow motion and feel the fear I felt at the time it happened. The reaction to something *that insignificant* was always absolutely insane. I won't even get into the crippling insecurities growing up like that gave me

That's my experience too- as the oldest I took the brunt of the abuse, over the years my mother seems to be better, and my youngest brother is about a decade younger than me, so if I wrote a memoir about my mother's abuse after she died my younger brother would maybe vaguely remember some of it, and the youngest wouldn't remember anything. Plus there's some abuse no one witnessed, understood, or paid attention to but me.

That tends to be common with abusers of this nature. Of course in some cases all the kids are abused but it's common to see parents treat the eldest childs differently.

narcissistic abusers tend to have a golden child and a black sheep. its part of triangulation and how they get narcissistic supply. Watch Dr Ramani for more information

She basically raised Christina how her mom raised her but raised the twins of how the nuns raised her. In her eyes And this is why I encourage ppl to watch feud she believes that she raised all her kids in a better environment she grew up in

@@idrisa7909 that is so sad to read. You must’ve felt so alone ..

That's a really great way of putting it.

PLEASE😭😭😭

It took me a while to realize what she was saying, and English is my first language. 😂

Wait, what does she say?

@@tisy1094 Home skillet biscuit 😂😂

@@kmichel2797 Ooh thanks!

not just child abuse but abuse in general, whether it be s*xual or bullying. It definitely makes sense to me. However I will never ever see Alyssa Edwards snatch game the same.

Good point!!!

Like a scared laugh

Yes, same! The scenes of abuse hit way too close to home for me

I haven't watched the film but from what Kendall is describing the sense on uncanny valley would be accurate on some situations I've live at my home. Sometimes my mother would do things and act in ways that seem out of a grotesque horror movie it gave me the strange sensation of idk like reality being twisted or something. It really does wonders for your mental health

Same! It was validating to see Kennie process this movie and that family dynamic with real consideration.

Whenever my mom would freak out as a kid, it would almost make me laugh, but at the same time, I was always scared of what she would do next. Every second I heard silence I would get so paranoid she was watching me, so when I sleep as an adult I play videos of people talking, a lot of these are accurate to me especially the overacting.

Good on you for doing that!!! It takes a lot of courage to cut someone toxic out of your life and that must’ve obviously been very hard for you. All the power to you on doing that, congratulations!!

This exactly how I feel

l_0-0_l

this!

I think humor/laughing can also be a way to cope with discomfort or disturbing things :0

I think of this when I've watched a horror film (the VERY FEW TIMES)... Laughing is a way of coping, I guess?

YIKES..

I used to sometimes call my mom “mommy dearest” and I really meant it endearingly because I never saw this movie 😂

True thoo it’s so pretty

yep, same here. it's a damn shame, especially when people hit me with a "but that's your mother, she's your blood." honestly, i couldn't care less. we have a terrible relationship if you were to actually look at it, and truthfully i'm just trying to 'survive' her. unfortunate :/ i wish that on nobody.

I'm so sorry

🤗

@@lessthanz3r000 That "But she's your mother" crap makes my blood boil so what!!! just because someone has the title of the parent doesn't mean they are superior or should be forgiven abuse is abuse and its that type of mentality that lets abusers get away scot free if she was a mother or really cared about you she wouldn't have abused you just because you have the same blood doesn't mean crap its How you are TREATED that matters honestly chosen family is much better then biological family. I have abuse in my household and I understand just trying to "survive family" . We really have to stop holding the "parents always must be respected" mythic beings crap you don't deserve to be called a parent or get protected if you abuse or treat your children horribly I hate when people say that "but they are your family" I think people who say that have not seen toxic family dynamics or abuse

Honestly same

Why would a Joan Crawford have cheaply made wire hangers in her closets? In all likely hood she would've had those nice padded ones.

@@Garsons-oq4lh who knows what she had in her closet, we weren’t in her closet at the time lol

Agreed

You have to understand joan Crawford was a runaway she ran away from home to be famous in Hollywood not only that she did some things that were not very nice to other actresses as well I think she suffered from mental illness from trying to get to the top or probably burn outI mean there was rumors and talk of the studio heads having a sex tape on her and they would bring it up when she acted out of line you have to remember the studios from 1920 all the way up to the 1950s and 60s they owned people it wasn’t just like you worked for the studio they owned you and if you didn’t do what they wanted you to do that can you leave you high and dry with nothing nobody can work in environment like that and come out sane or unscathed

@@sheluvssmokedupeyes1 Are you trying to defend a child abuser?

@@sheluvssmokedupeyes1 “You have to understand” go to hell for defending a child abuser. Disgusting.

In CHRISTINA CRAWFORD'S memoir "Mommie Dearest" she wrote of an incident whereby she ALLEGES Joan Crawford strangled her after she returned home from boarding school for summer vacation in June 1953. When Christina wrote of this allegation, she stated Joan had "a look in her eyes that will never be erased from my memory." After this ALLEGED altercation, Christina was sent immediately back to boarding school. Christina published "Mommie Dearest" in October 1978. Nearly simultaneously to her writing this FRAUDULENT memoir, Christina was court ordered to be questioned in an UNDER-OATH deposition by Joan Crawford's estate in February 1978. During her UNDER-OATH, court-ordered deposition, Christina is specifically questioned about this incident, to which she responded: "I don't know what you are referring to," and continues to evade the questions regarding this incident. In addition to Christina's complete, on the record, CONTRIDICTION of this event, the EYE-WITNESS to this event came forward in 1981 to confirm Christina LIED in her book. That EYE-WITNESS is Billie Greene, She was Joan's assistant at the time. Greene stated in her unpublished interview: "I believe I'm quoted as saying 'Stop, you'll kill her."...I can tell you that I've never seen any discipline towards Christina or the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night." (Greene's full interview is in-depth and REVEALING) *Credit to ChristinaCrawfordLied facebook.*

@@Garsons-oq4lh🤥🧢

Also, I always thought that Joan sent Christina to boarding school for being a "c**kblock..." but maybe not, lol!

Honestly when I first came across it in a movie clip on KZfaq,I got extremely uncomfortable because it felt extremely real(Despite not having an abusive childhood) so I agree .

My mom literally threw a pot with rice to the floor because I didn't put enough salt in it ... so yeah; things that seem stupid trigger horrible people

One time I left a cup in the sink after I drank some water in the middle of the night. I came home from school and all the dirty pots, pans and silverware from them eating dinner was spread all over my bed.... Because I left an empty cup in the sink-.-

I'm so sorry

I have schizoaffective and OCD. I have hesitation about having children for several reasons. One of them being me scaring them at some point if I ever have another mental break. But those with mental illness are stigmatized already. My dad, who was mentally ill, never abused me.

@@jarenc2048 ??? Awesome. Is this the time to talk about that Jaren?? I don’t think so. That’s like popping in on someone’s post whose dad died in a fire and being like “actually MY DAD DIDNT DIE IN A FIRE SO UM..”

“Be grateful I’m not a murderer cause I could be” like wtf did she want a medal for doing the bare minimum 😭

my mom did the same lmao and she was laughing the whole time so i was very disturbed

My mom did the same. Plot twist, she was also abusive.

Yeah non abusive people don’t do that

If JEJWBW yes. My mom isn’t abusive but she’d make comments saying (in terms of context if I would ever do anything bad in the future, like idk curse at my mom or if I were to ever skip classes. Btw I consider myself a pretty good kid lol.) “I will make your live miserable. I’ll make sure you won’t have any joy in life.” Like tf..? I haven’t even done anything and you’re saying you’ll make my life miserable.. I’m your child.. don’t you want the best for me? Anyways I told her to stop saying it and she stopped in consideration for my feelings.

That is totally fine darling, you don’t need consume content that triggers you, please take care of yourself

Yeah don’t hurt yourself, I know it can be traumatizing and it may never fade completely but I hope you’re at least healing from the trauma.

@@agalwithnoname I think Kennie may be able to make it funny,but on it’s own without a filter... it’s not very funny at all. Especially knowing it’s based on a true story . Thank you ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

@@thefactsreact9107 thank you! I don’t really think about it too much , and I don’t get PTSD triggers.. it’s more of a constant “yeah.,, that’s familiar...” sort of thing, I like to watch movies that make me feel good or scared in an exciting way . Not a “I remember that” type of way . I hope the movie wasn’t harmful to you either though ❤️❤️❤️❤️✨✨

Yeah...don't do it to yourself. I watched it when I was too young to be consuming something like that and had no real understanding of what was going on in the movie and it still traumatized me.

I did that scene in 7th grade. I think about it everytime I hear anything about this movie

@@astronomicallyfine haha, me too! tbh it was a fun scene to do