Monel TIG Welding | Why is this Alloy so Complicated to Weld??

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Ciriza Welding is back to weld some Monel 400 all the way out using the TIG welding process. Monel is a difficult alloy to master so David is here to give you some tips on how to tackle this complicated metal.
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@weldtube
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@johnnywadd9918
@johnnywadd9918 2 жыл бұрын
I had a job at united technologies one time running monel for a oxygen line in an explosive environment. We tested 5 welders before we found one that could make the welds. Very high nickle content makes welding this alloy difficult. You are very good and would have been a great asset in our local.
@jasonbarrette6788
@jasonbarrette6788 Жыл бұрын
What local?
@AK-kn9lq
@AK-kn9lq 11 ай бұрын
Very skilled welder, he definitely made this look far easier than it really is. Great work!
@Kurst535
@Kurst535 2 жыл бұрын
This is the toughest thing I've ever welded, its one of the only metals that Ive seen survive in saltwater. Super expensive though, 20 foot length of 80 Sch 6 inch ran my job 20K...Weld on brother
@panzerfaust7672
@panzerfaust7672 2 жыл бұрын
Super Duplex will do too
@dominickgulizo8473
@dominickgulizo8473 2 жыл бұрын
Try HASTERALLOY
@chrislindsey3523
@chrislindsey3523 2 жыл бұрын
@@dominickgulizo8473 try hastaloy lol
@rich3633
@rich3633 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrislindsey3523 try hastelloy 🤣
@chrislindsey3523
@chrislindsey3523 2 жыл бұрын
@@rich3633 you ever seen alloy spelled with an e 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@aravindkm2243
@aravindkm2243 2 жыл бұрын
Such an insightful video. Thanks to entire team
@kenprouse5840
@kenprouse5840 2 жыл бұрын
I was a welder for 50 years, no problem just weld it. Git er done. Remember it isn’t a horse race.
@danielpadilla9594
@danielpadilla9594 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@onemantwohands5224
@onemantwohands5224 2 жыл бұрын
Yeh mate it's not a pissing contest lol 😆
@gasclutch6280
@gasclutch6280 2 жыл бұрын
I’m 19 and taking welding courses. I’m taking SMAW MIG TIG FLUX and pipe welding. I’m getting my AA degree then ima apply somewhere to get real life experience. I just don’t know where to start. I could join a local union and get good money, but I could also get trained to tig weld in a shop. Eventually if want my own rig truck and shop. I don’t want to be the average welder 💰 , advice?
@Oldironmachineshop
@Oldironmachineshop 2 жыл бұрын
How is that with the elektrode from skratch start and xray pipe???
@xXxAtkinsxXx
@xXxAtkinsxXx 2 жыл бұрын
@@gasclutch6280 dont pidgeon hole yourself in a shop doing the same thing day in and day out.
@jondavidmcnabb
@jondavidmcnabb Жыл бұрын
Why did the camera cut away from the initial tack weld? Then cuts past the initiation of the second tack?
@mariomendez9950
@mariomendez9950 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, very informative on some hard tricky metal!
@ra1zerr
@ra1zerr Жыл бұрын
Im just here only for David!! Hurry UP dude!!! U great!!!
@angryteddybear
@angryteddybear 2 жыл бұрын
i have welded monel and have passed quals. Big thing is the toes of the welds and the stops get the copper silicates. Files them or lightly grind them.
@LuizFernando-pj4rp
@LuizFernando-pj4rp 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job! I'm tired just by watching so many passes being laid down. That's a lot of work.
@vinceallen8123
@vinceallen8123 Жыл бұрын
Do not snip off your filler metal number. That is your traceability when the inspector shows up. All in all awesome video my only critique. Messing round in the shop one thing but maintain traceability.
@mattarnold4071
@mattarnold4071 2 жыл бұрын
Sheeeesh!!! Nice work David! I’m going to have to throw down on that monel 400, looks like a good time! 🔥
@cirizawelding5076
@cirizawelding5076 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man we still have some around left over
@youmustbekidding7341
@youmustbekidding7341 2 жыл бұрын
If you think it's a good time try Monel to steel and let me know how much fun you have!
@mattarnold4071
@mattarnold4071 2 жыл бұрын
@@youmustbekidding7341 challenge excepted lol 😆
@3sgtepwnzr
@3sgtepwnzr 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, I’m going to have to do a weld on Alloy 20 for my work. Very informative.
@3sgtepwnzr
@3sgtepwnzr 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacen2001 that’s exactly what the application is for, dichloroacetic acid which is nasty stuff.
@colindstark
@colindstark 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate that filler rod is $40+a pound for Monel 400
@charleswest6449
@charleswest6449 2 жыл бұрын
Great job
@klaychesham1791
@klaychesham1791 2 жыл бұрын
Hell yea David that’s awesome
@cirizawelding5076
@cirizawelding5076 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Klay
@billarroo1
@billarroo1 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job 😃😃😃 Thanks
@paulmorrey733
@paulmorrey733 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@kirstenspencer3630
@kirstenspencer3630 2 жыл бұрын
Good old blue tape. Good tips too.
@granmachuca
@granmachuca 2 жыл бұрын
Good job
@tayyabali9212
@tayyabali9212 2 жыл бұрын
excellent
@romariosaraiva
@romariosaraiva 2 жыл бұрын
Excelente trabalho, aprendi muito.
@yasintalukder167
@yasintalukder167 Жыл бұрын
Very Nice welding
@ejpatrick1950
@ejpatrick1950 4 ай бұрын
I see what you mean about the droppy look and the green hue that would suck but weld looks good 💯💪🙏
@user-fj9xg8tk6k
@user-fj9xg8tk6k 3 ай бұрын
gracias por compartir y enseñarnos buen trabajo ...que otra aplicacion se le puede dar a este aporte ?Monel 60 ERNiCu-7
@EzeKill666
@EzeKill666 2 жыл бұрын
Nicee!!
@joseflores9597
@joseflores9597 2 жыл бұрын
Nice 👍
@ktmturbo5836
@ktmturbo5836 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I bet you know But you should be using Respirator mask when working on those metals.
@CesarCastillo-ip4ph
@CesarCastillo-ip4ph 2 жыл бұрын
Buen día les saludo desde Perú una consulta ,cuanto estará costando la luna fotosensible que se aprecia al comenzar el video,gracias
@TV-io1cb
@TV-io1cb 2 жыл бұрын
good
@hooddowntime2143
@hooddowntime2143 2 жыл бұрын
What brand is that tig rig
@joelcalvillo-lm5gn
@joelcalvillo-lm5gn Жыл бұрын
The way his welding it it’s pretty easy, when your in the plant with all kinds of pipes around you that’s where it’s a little difficult.
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video...and informative.... When it comes to welding rod, I like to leave the stamped alloy name on and just bend the rod to 90 degrees at the name, that way I know what alloy the rod is and it gives me a way of picking the rod off a flat surface while wearing gloves by rolling the rod until the little tail is upright and grabable. It also lets me know what end of the rod is hot if I lay it down..... It looks like you do not need a post flow on the bead , unlike Stainless, is that correct? Thanks .Cheers form Florida, Paul
@cirizawelding5076
@cirizawelding5076 2 жыл бұрын
I usually use full length rod (not cut in half) that’s why I clip one stamp off and it’s not as sensitive to oxidize like stainless but if it’s super hot it will
@kf8575
@kf8575 2 жыл бұрын
Inspectors and QA staff where i work, do their crust if stub ends of rods dont have the stamped part in lol
@zarawey05
@zarawey05 Жыл бұрын
Que diámetro de aporte usas para el pase de raíz?
@zacharylangley3512
@zacharylangley3512 Жыл бұрын
Drip 3/32 on one side and drag over. Lay wire on monel and other nickel alloys is not the best way to root. Monel also holds a lot of heat. Around the same size pipe I was hot passing on 220 and filling at 280. Nickel alloys heat is generally your friend. This rooting method works great from duplex to inco to even pure nickel.
@buddybell4426
@buddybell4426 2 жыл бұрын
So you don't have to turn the purge down for the final tie in on alloy?
@jeepwk6.5L
@jeepwk6.5L 2 жыл бұрын
You can, but if you have a good vent hole for it to outlet to then no. It’s just got to have a secondary exit other then the root opening at the last tie in
@eagle908
@eagle908 2 ай бұрын
I’m having a lot of problems trying to weld 2 different materials using TIG, alloy 20 vs SS 316 😢 any ideas ?
@chellapandichellapandi4435
@chellapandichellapandi4435 2 жыл бұрын
Hi brother me monal alloy 2"pipe welding but root pass time crack coming.pl explain
@remishirley544
@remishirley544 2 жыл бұрын
On the last fill pass he went down to 55 amps???? That must be an error 55 seems to low
@deivipolo6364
@deivipolo6364 2 жыл бұрын
En este caso que sucede con la protección interna, ya que la retirastes para la terminación ooh presentación,.¿esta contemplado en el WPS de el monel 400?
@skipsmith9661
@skipsmith9661 2 жыл бұрын
say what we are in America speak English
@nestorasagoros4585
@nestorasagoros4585 2 жыл бұрын
👌👌👌
@Thebrownhammer23
@Thebrownhammer23 3 ай бұрын
What was the amps on the root
@ninesixteengenetix
@ninesixteengenetix 2 жыл бұрын
What a coincidence I ve been welding Monel all month, can you guys do Inconel as well?
@jeffsharp2113
@jeffsharp2113 2 жыл бұрын
I love welding inconel and hastelloy.
@josephjennings9030
@josephjennings9030 2 жыл бұрын
They've got a good inconel video, it was one of the first few videos they made
@S0lidStewie
@S0lidStewie 2 жыл бұрын
So ErNiCrMo-3 and ErNiCrMo-4 not inconel??? Or are they both hastolloy
@jeffsharp2113
@jeffsharp2113 2 жыл бұрын
@@S0lidStewie Both filler rods can be used on most nickle based materials.mostly i think around 20% nickle with a low iron content. Hastolloy has less iron and is more chemical resistant, Inconel takes more heat.
@panzerfaust7672
@panzerfaust7672 Жыл бұрын
@@S0lidStewie We use NiCrMo-3 for Inconel 625 only.
@TheDricks2007
@TheDricks2007 2 жыл бұрын
Easy!
@paradiselost9946
@paradiselost9946 8 ай бұрын
i know its only a rotater but i spent 20 minutes looking at a chuck with the key in it and all i could think about was a chuck sitting there with a key in it...
@rolandomandriza2483
@rolandomandriza2483 2 жыл бұрын
1 year experience need more please teach me
@mohamedhosnim
@mohamedhosnim Жыл бұрын
Witch caind this metal?
@michaelshortridge6379
@michaelshortridge6379 2 жыл бұрын
I always was told to weld quarter at a time. Stagger the quarters. So your gap wouldn't close on you.
@slayerguitar
@slayerguitar 2 жыл бұрын
You are right, keep doing that please lol some welders watch this and fuck my fits right up ahahah
@cirizawelding5076
@cirizawelding5076 2 жыл бұрын
With good penetrated tacks and putting your root in quickly it will stay pretty straight
@johnbrennan4759
@johnbrennan4759 2 жыл бұрын
Always found monel welds better with a mix of argon with either 2.5 or 5.0% hydrogen
@Bander5555
@Bander5555 2 жыл бұрын
Never heard the word "here" so much in my life.
@Daniel-zs5zw
@Daniel-zs5zw 2 жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me why he turned the amps back down to 55 for the last couple beads of the fill pass?
@cirizawelding5076
@cirizawelding5076 2 жыл бұрын
Typo it was 155 if I remember right
@onemantwohands5224
@onemantwohands5224 2 жыл бұрын
Lol super dangerous to weld as far as carcinogens go , read the packet for the welding rods ! Wow . We were making chemical screens with it in 3-6mm sheet with a heap of tube penetration through it . Felt quite dirty to weld with a dusty skin forming on the surface on the pool. Interesting stuff 👍
@evanchi9460
@evanchi9460 2 жыл бұрын
Every welding rod ever made has the same carcinogen labels. Welding in general is badly carcinogenic. Really no getting away from it.
@johnbrennan4759
@johnbrennan4759 2 жыл бұрын
Try a mix of argon 2.5 or 5.0% hydrogen that will clean your weld pool and produce a smoother weld
@panzerfaust7672
@panzerfaust7672 Жыл бұрын
Yes that's why it's mandatory in a lot of EU countries for the employer to provide you a speedglass PAPR unit
@moseskongi4746
@moseskongi4746 Жыл бұрын
@@panzerfaust7672 EU countries are all pssy. That's why they scream and cry like little girls for America to come to the rescue whenever there is a crisis like right now in Ukraine.
@vangoghsseveredear
@vangoghsseveredear Жыл бұрын
I noticed he wasn't wearing a respirator either! Not a good idea. If it was carbon, sure, whatever, but not a chance I weld stainless/inco/monel without at least a respirator.
@daveman5860
@daveman5860 Жыл бұрын
It would be nice to have a table clamp that swiveled so that you could stand upright and not have to crouch and bend in all those uncomfortable positions. And gravity would always be on your side.
@vangoghsseveredear
@vangoghsseveredear Жыл бұрын
You mean to spin the coupon? That's the point of the test. It certifies you for all positions
@tobiasstahli5448
@tobiasstahli5448 2 жыл бұрын
What is the brandname of this blue purge tape? thx for an answer👍
@ktmturbo5836
@ktmturbo5836 2 жыл бұрын
Its just regular masking tape. I like 3m brand blue tape
@tobiasstahli5448
@tobiasstahli5448 2 жыл бұрын
@@ktmturbo5836 thx mate✌🏼
@eridu77
@eridu77 2 жыл бұрын
For such a tricky alloy that doesn't like contamination painters tape is a no no. If a contractor pays for such an expensive alloy surely they will shell out the dough for true purge products.
@Anthonyvall1986
@Anthonyvall1986 Жыл бұрын
Why you went down to 55 amps?
@ninesixteengenetix
@ninesixteengenetix 2 жыл бұрын
You could just snip your rod in half and chuck the flat ends when you get them down to a stub
@charleswest6449
@charleswest6449 2 жыл бұрын
Most people get impatient and don't watch their interpass temp and weld to much at once. They often weld to much and push the root pass into pipe
@mattsimpson1608
@mattsimpson1608 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, and this really should be kept below 300 interpass temp
@grege2383
@grege2383 2 жыл бұрын
Starting the purge before taping up - I didn't think argon was that cheap. It's obvious this changes is now geared towards the pros and nothing more than eye candy for the hobbyists.
@billyhagerman4739
@billyhagerman4739 2 жыл бұрын
Most hobbyist don't weld this kind of metal or even know what it is
@weldingbilgin
@weldingbilgin 2 жыл бұрын
Süper 🇹🇷
@kiyoshim9593
@kiyoshim9593 Жыл бұрын
How much money was spent on the filler?
@EliAngwin
@EliAngwin 2 жыл бұрын
“ I would have stick welded it “ Usually said by someone at the shop whenever I’m tiggin something...
@Ruben901
@Ruben901 2 жыл бұрын
"I'd do it myself, but there's not a mig machine around here" it's what I used to heard from alot of squirt gun welders
@terryhorton817
@terryhorton817 2 жыл бұрын
If this gentleman would have chosen SMAW it would require a fresh air respirator.Simply because the process WPS ,requires a type of Inconel filler metal. The Flux on the SMAW Electrode , would produce Hexavalient Chromiium Gases . Lots of Red Tape and Costs . FYI 35+ yrs of Code Welding Good Job ! 👍 Tip: Flush more ,Cary less metal on Reinforcement Beads , =SLICK WELD WITH CONFIDEBCE !
@michaelshortridge6379
@michaelshortridge6379 11 ай бұрын
Why i learded to weld left and right handed ti welding pipe.
@user-uc9cs1em1s
@user-uc9cs1em1s 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍👌
@shenzhenherolaserequipment5496
@shenzhenherolaserequipment5496 2 жыл бұрын
Hello!We are the manufacturer of laser welding/cutting/cleaning/marking machine, did you need these kinds of equipments in production ? Thanks.
@golonghorns9635
@golonghorns9635 2 жыл бұрын
To even weld alloys at a big job.. you must know people inside.. if you going to school learning to weld alloys and don’t have contacts it’s a waste of money truthfully
@JohnBrennan-pt9kg
@JohnBrennan-pt9kg 24 күн бұрын
I know it's a test coupon, but should you not be using proper metal purge tape and Argon + 2.5% or even 5.0% Hydrogen shield gas to really clean up the weld.pool
@romilampit5221
@romilampit5221 2 жыл бұрын
Why do walking cup must better..
@weldingbilgin
@weldingbilgin 2 жыл бұрын
Monel😎🇹🇷
@nelsontanguay8446
@nelsontanguay8446 2 жыл бұрын
god damn if that isn't quality welding I don't know what is
@skipsmith9661
@skipsmith9661 2 жыл бұрын
Dear sir i mean no disrespect you should not use LORDS NAME IN VAIN
@montanadistinct6798
@montanadistinct6798 2 жыл бұрын
Normalement un bord à bord avec cheinfrein pas besoin de laisser autant de jeu
@g3rb922
@g3rb922 2 жыл бұрын
Money money monel!
@weldtube
@weldtube 2 жыл бұрын
👊
@betoelargoneromex9828
@betoelargoneromex9828 2 жыл бұрын
Were is de subtittles
@alecj9227
@alecj9227 9 ай бұрын
if you can weld stainless you can weld monel. it aint that deep or intimidating. just read the puddle and weld
@abhimanyuyadavwelder4202
@abhimanyuyadavwelder4202 2 жыл бұрын
I'm big welder
@UniqueAerial
@UniqueAerial Жыл бұрын
i understand u are showing Tig welding Monel, but its alot easier to mig weld
@djyul
@djyul 2 жыл бұрын
Welded a lot of this. Are you using Argon with 5% Hydrogen. Have always welded,Monel and Monel 400 with this. And Cunifer. They are all poiseness fumes guys!! Wear an air fed.!!!
@panzerfaust7672
@panzerfaust7672 2 жыл бұрын
This comment is the truth, in the EU you will almost see air feds in every shop not like the states welding alloys with just a flip up hood lol, a lot of the safety rules were made up by American companies but they are still working like the 50's... No air feds, no dungarees/coveralls provided by the employer, just some wranglers and a button up in chemical plants!
@michelastegiano7442
@michelastegiano7442 6 ай бұрын
Fil De Soudage ER NiCu-7 TIG 2.4377 Nickel Monel® 60 Baguettes De Soudage Électrode De Soudage 2 535,46 €
@rolandomandriza2483
@rolandomandriza2483 2 жыл бұрын
Teach me how to weld 😂😂😂
@weldgang2569
@weldgang2569 8 ай бұрын
This channel should b called cold tube dude will get smoked in the field welding cold asf
@Houstonruss
@Houstonruss 2 жыл бұрын
No dont cut the stamped side of the filler wire! Hold it from that end lol.
@jeepwk6.5L
@jeepwk6.5L 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the right QC would pull your stencil for that
@cirizawelding5076
@cirizawelding5076 2 жыл бұрын
I like to use the full length rod(not cut in half ) so I usually clip one end of the stamping
@jeepwk6.5L
@jeepwk6.5L 2 жыл бұрын
@@cirizawelding5076 you must not wed in the field? No way your fitting a full size wire in a pipe rack haha
@cirizawelding5076
@cirizawelding5076 2 жыл бұрын
👍 thank you for pointing that out
@moseskongi4746
@moseskongi4746 Жыл бұрын
@@jeepwk6.5L The QueerC isn't going to do a damn thing.
@jefferyricketts5207
@jefferyricketts5207 2 жыл бұрын
It's not all that hard, just have to feed the wire a little faster.
@austinwilson4440
@austinwilson4440 2 ай бұрын
You had a good video till you told them cut the stamp off the rod lol..
@mariomendez9950
@mariomendez9950 2 жыл бұрын
Y’all think you can shoot a how to on copper nickel ?? I think there’s one video out there on how to do it and it’s not to informational lol
@ninesixteengenetix
@ninesixteengenetix 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure MONEL is copper nickel bro
@kf8575
@kf8575 2 жыл бұрын
@@ninesixteengenetix monel is an alloy that contains copper and nickel, yes, along with other alloying elements in small percentages. Main part of the alloy though is Nickel, making up 60% plus. By Copper Nickel, im guessing he means CuNi 90/10 (90% copper, 10% nickel) or 70/30 (70% copper 30% nickel)
@ninesixteengenetix
@ninesixteengenetix 2 жыл бұрын
@@kf8575 what did you copy and paste that from Google lol
@slugdrift
@slugdrift 2 жыл бұрын
Monel is a nickel copper (more nickel then copper) and copper-nickel or the other cool trade names is more copper then nickel. Rod rn67 welds pretty good but smwelding that shit to mild steel with whatever that other filler is… sucks.
@0ollcabrerallo0
@0ollcabrerallo0 Жыл бұрын
1:17 se te salió lo hispano,,,lol PARA ( 3/16 gap )
@mathieunibreu5353
@mathieunibreu5353 2 жыл бұрын
Les français sont beaucoup plus forts et les soudure sont plus propres que les américains...les postes de soudure ont pas de h.f aux États-Unis. Je dis ça car je suis soudeur aussi
@tangsu7128
@tangsu7128 10 ай бұрын
You should learne to weld with both hands..
@Lucifer.Morningstar.666
@Lucifer.Morningstar.666 2 жыл бұрын
Union boilermaker....687
@nktel8427
@nktel8427 2 жыл бұрын
سلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
@victoryfirst2878
@victoryfirst2878 2 жыл бұрын
I welded monel using the SMAW method for years. Not really hard that hard to weld.
@kylejames255
@kylejames255 Жыл бұрын
You do realize how much more difficult tig welding is than stick welding ESPECIALLY nickel alloy pipe lol. Such an ignorant thing to say
@victoryfirst2878
@victoryfirst2878 Жыл бұрын
@@kylejames255 When one knows welding and has experience for to many years one can becomes dated by stating the years welding, it is hard to feel really challenged with any of the welding method types. I must be guilty of saying something IGNORANT. No ignorant rudeness intended Kyle. Just someone who mastered the art form of welding. Peace fella too.
@NIHILWR
@NIHILWR Жыл бұрын
dude is good at welding but damn he's awkward on camera lmao
@goatsinker347
@goatsinker347 2 жыл бұрын
Why do these welding videos assume we all know what Monel 400 alloy is? If you assume we all know it all, then why make an instructional video? And what is the CFH of the torch? Sounds like the flow is strong enough to arc gouge with, if it was air instead of argon.
@moseskongi4746
@moseskongi4746 Жыл бұрын
What makes you think this is an instructional video? He's just demonstrating how he welds this thing, not trying to teach anybody watching this how to weld it. No way you're going to learn how to weld monel from a video.
@kamj6607
@kamj6607 2 жыл бұрын
i dont get why you guys use scratch start even on stuff like this. join the modern times and get a button on there.
@Lucifer.Morningstar.666
@Lucifer.Morningstar.666 2 жыл бұрын
Purge it because its food grade stainless....and a consumable ring.....6g......been welding since 88....some of these vids make me sleepy
@Lucifer.Morningstar.666
@Lucifer.Morningstar.666 2 жыл бұрын
Dude u failed.....no grinder
@Lucifer.Morningstar.666
@Lucifer.Morningstar.666 2 жыл бұрын
Culpa carra soup
@Lucifer.Morningstar.666
@Lucifer.Morningstar.666 2 жыл бұрын
Food grade
@robertwatson818
@robertwatson818 2 жыл бұрын
"The material "likes" to close up quickly. No material "likes" anything. It is not sentient. This material has a tendency to close up quickly though.
@NguyenNguyen-ww3ec
@NguyenNguyen-ww3ec 5 ай бұрын
Not good
@Lucifer.Morningstar.666
@Lucifer.Morningstar.666 2 жыл бұрын
Go back to the rez
@Lucifer.Morningstar.666
@Lucifer.Morningstar.666 2 жыл бұрын
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