This seems like a reasonable upgrade of the LBG. Useful things in there but nothing gamebreaking or underwhelming at first glance

I do like the counter move, but I wonder about specific of Critical Firepower, does it decrease range for all ammo type? It does seems like way to go for spread like ammo.

Before I even watch this, I have to point out that gun. It looks clean as heck.

Seems like a close range spread build will be fun.

Let's see how ballistics interact with that range. If the damage numbers are correct, it is a 30% damage increase.

Really like the new options here. It's fun getting in close with spread ammo and stacking wyvernblasts with tackles so this is honestly a win

Bro that counter looks sick af! Super excited to try it out.

This game really IS becoming Monster Counter.

That’s a sexy looking magnamalo Lightbowgun.

Might go light bowgun looks fun with the maneuver and counter

This looks really good for light bowgun. I am pleased

A couple things. First, Rakna's G/Master Rank Armor looks pretty clean. Second, these new skills look like a pretty good upgrade to the Light Bowgun. I wonder what the effect of Critical Firepower will be when paired with Rapid Fire, or if it will up the KO power of Stickies, or just scale to the increase in damage. Nice that they don't show off everything in the trailer, and leave it for the player to find out for themselves. That's one thing I love about Capcom. One month, and five days, ladies and gentlemen. Let's go!

I have been waiting for the LBG switch swap and it didn't disappoint! Wondering how far that counter will put you back with evade skills and whether or not the blast is going to be able to set off mega barrel bombs.

IT'S CONFIRMED! The Hunting Horn will be the only weapon in Sunbreak to not have any form of counter!

that's a sick bowgun, btw. the counter seems nice, but is it going to be as good for speedruns as the massive mobility of fan maneuver? we'll see. that critical firepower, what does it do? more damage, less range?

For their neutral special, the hunter wields a gun.

Wyvern Counter is back, let's goooo!

Can´t wait to try spread ammo with Critical firepower! Light Shotgun would be fun! also another counter haha!

That counter with silkbind boost will deal tons of damage. Can't wait to use it!

Damn! Can’t wait!

29.8% damage boost with Crit Firepower has the potential to be broken, but remember the video only showed us numbers on Normal ammo. The boost may not be the same for Pierce and Spread

Ballistics is back, baby!

Like a zoner's dream weapon. So nice.

Looks SO good!

Interesting cuz on the website it says the bus doesn't work for all types of ammo. I wonder which ones would be excluded?

LBG, I've been waiting for this trailer. Looks good to me!

Yo, do you think that if I aim backwards with wyvern counter I would move foward faster/farther than I would going foward with fanning vault 🤔

Oh yrah! Gonna be blasting away when Sunbreak drops.

Does Wyvern Counter will require Wyvern Blast during execution? I'd prefer this move than the forward dash silkbind attack, the current silk bind is a melee attack which is not good if you use pierce ammo and horrible recovery because it will reload in front of the monster, idk I don't feel its powerful enough to knock down enemy or put them into a mounting state, but in damage department I think the forward dash wirebug is somewhat strong. I only use the forward dash on low level monsters, during apex hunt I rarely use it.. I don't want to risk getting near if a monster can one hit me. I hope the Wyvern counter will have a good knock down or at least a better impact to put monster on mounting state. As for critical firepower, I believe it will be a OP because we can already powerup via fanning maneuver. the only thing I don't kinda like is the lack of wirebug presence on the animation. I don't visually see its activated. What I want to see in LBG is a Switch skill / silkbind that can inject the 3 wyvern blast simultaneously on a monsters body. fanning vault is pretty much useless on massive monsters..and its so slow because you need 3 wirebugs to inject them all wyvern blast. I'm not a pro, its only my opinion.

I'm here while the video is still unlisted, I am speed

Oooo closer critical distance. Risky but powerful

The backjump of Bullet geyser, neat...

Finally counter skill on lbg time to spam some bullets and dodge with elegance

Yoo the critical firepower looks sick

After playing the demo, Yeah the counter is pretty awesome and really fun too!

oh man that critical firepower thing is huge. Pellet is gonna see a big resurgence, but it'll be high risk, high reward

I'm thinking of a Light Bowgun that resembles a modern assault rifle.

The gun's length could pass as a HBG lol

First priority in Sunbreak: Get this Light BowGun

Do you guys know based on iceborn if the story of sunbreak will be finished on release date or will it be like in rise where the rest of the story wass added months later?

In Sticky/Slicing we trust

i was kinda hoping for a replacement for the useless froward dash. the only time you use it is for a sleeping monster with the big hit

The gun looks amazing and idk as a non gunner main is this weapon lackluster? Like seems very underwhelming but what do I know I use a Greatsword and SWAX.

So many fucking counters in this game.

I mean, it's subtle, but could this mean this return of shotgun LBG?

Wow, so the gun really good now be it heavy and light

So when do we get the demo?

0:34 is that sss evade or the silkbind skill is that instant?

While it's described as a counter, I do not believe Wyvern counter is an actual counter, considering it activates regardless of you being hit. Looks to me it's more of a vertical + backwards evade + high flinch shot.

What gun is that in the beginning

More damage and maneuverability, nice, better than what we got originally on monster hunter world, I will use the evasion one more.

I've trying LBG recently and really struggling not getting oneshot by emergency apex monsters, I hope this counter increases survivability. Overall these moves look promising.

Ya know. I'd pay for an on rails shooter like links cross bow training but mh. Every time I see ranged weapons I wish I had one of those old school controllergun mount things lol

Liking these a lot

i am going to make lbg spread build now with that critical firepower.

what LBG? malzeno? teostra?

I like this new counter move

Wow!

From my experience with the DEMO (which everyone should check out): New bowgun seems solid. Idk if it'll be meta, but it seems viable to for several builds. I love the clean & simple look to it as well. The *LBG counter* felt disappointing. It ends up being less reliable & longer to use than just dodging out of the way. It felt more risky than rewarding or fun, and the damage was in the 30s for such a commitment. The animation time felt too long, without any reward benefit, it made me think I'd become vulnerable to further attacks. Everything I mentioned so far would've been fine had the knockdown effect made up for it, but the knockdown effect didn't seem to be powerful either. Didn't K.O. Arzuros after having shot him 2-3 times in the face with said counter. (though maybe this was due to the lack of K.O. gems? Idk, couldn't see the armor details) For me to use & rely on it, it would need any ONE of the following improvements: a) x1.5 faster animation & recovery b) a rewarding/worthwhile buff on a perfect counter (not something too short & small that it's unable to overcome DPS loss) C) x10-15 higher damage values, so it gives a big hit on a risky cooldown d) full magazine reload on counter (without expending ammo) e) the ability to cast it 1-3 frames after taking damage, to have the option to use it as a quick mistake correction--so that we can use it to recover from a vulnerable knockdown animation. This might be theoretically helpful when making mistakes against elite monsters, which can kill in 2hit combos otherwise I'm better off just dodging out of the way, in the first place--even from a ranged laser. LBG literally plays "just don't get hit" because we take more damage. Using something like this counter against the Event Apex Zinogre, makes me feel like it'll make me waste time I could use for shooting. Or make me vulnerable to hits upon landing, rather than helping me survive.

Looks interesting

Bowgun straight from bandits from Borderlands 2

That sickass, but i hope range reductions on spread bullet doesnt affect much, with my current shotgun build the range is suck, but they give us wyvern counter i wanna try it soon, using slicing meta is boring to easy 😂 i want my shotgun buffed

What’s the light bowgun? Looks like a master rank of teostra

i like it and i like the maneuverability but the animation for the wyvern counter looks really awkward

Least flashy moves but looks more useful than others.

Finally!!! counter shot is back!

Monster Hunter = Counter Hunter

we need more BRUTE WHYWERNS!

Nerscilla armor?

LBG finally have a counter move

This is cool. Nothing broken or useless

Well i really need the dash reload feature like in MHW. Why don't they bring us that feature back to the game?

in the latest developer stream wasnt there a move they teased where the LBG shot a cluster of mines on a wall and he shot them? Does that mean these are not all the new moves?

what is that lbg?

I understand why they did it, but I don't think I like that counter shot being in the same slot as the fanning maneuver, but it probably works a whole lot better in practice than what the video shows, especially if you swing into an attack, rather than away.

This vid doesn't show 1 important thing: what is the cup size of master female Ragna set?

Very Good

That was a Bishaten right? Why was it a different color?

Which gun is that? Magnamalo subspecies?

Adept Lbg i miss it pls bring back

Counter on top of counter on top of counter on top of counter holy shit.

Cool

YOU GET A COUNTER AND YOU GET A COUNTER EVERYONE GETS A COUNTER

Holy shit the made lbg spread viable

Well i'm just happy that Siege is back

Ima gun man and I’m very satisfied with hbg and lbg 😂

I'm getting the distinct impression from various youtube comments on these weapon trailers that capcom's decisions to build in counters to weapons' kits is pretty controversial: some people love it, some people hate it. I'd like to toss a little something interesting into the arena: In Monster Hunter Tri (a game near and dear to my heart), the first real 'counter' was added to Monster Hunter, along with a shitload of weapon advancements which are now considered staples. It was the first game which had KO damage on non KO weapons, the first game to give LS its spirit roundslash and its essential gameplay loop... but for our purposes, it was the first game where Lance got its counter thrust. I vividly remember when this happened... nobody batted an eyelash. The concept of a weapon being able to permanently attack without dodging wasn't something people were worried or excited about at the time more than any other change, because on the whole Monster Hunter's action combat was more a vessel for other ideas: the game itself wasn't really built around it in the same way it is now. More time was often spent preparing, gathering, exploring and just finding the damn monster than actually fighting it, and the fights themselves (while fun, engaging and undoubtedly a CORE PART of the gameplay loop) were much less complicated than they are now. Well, I'm going to reveal a surprising twist: Monster Hunter has changed. For better or worse is up to the individual, but that change is undeniable. In Rise more than ever the rest of the game has been streamlined around the combat; tracking the monster, foraging for materials, preparing for each hunt... these and many other RPG mechanics have been simplified or removed to make the gaps between combat shorter, and engagement in combat itself more fluid. But I would say the biggest indicator of why this WORKS is how combat ITSELF has changed, because if combat worked the way it did in classic Monster Hunter, World AND Rise would have been tremendous flops in my opinion. Monster Hunter combat has always been a game of call and response: the monster gives you a tell, your respond to said tell either with an attack, an item or some other action... and the cycle repeats. In classic Monster Hunter this usually turned into an almost turn based system: a monster would indicate an attack and you would use this to pursue an action. This action would take a fair while to complete, and often wouldn't until the monster was almost ready to attack again, which would require you to dodge the next attack and then wait for another: you would take a turn and then have to let the monster take it's own. How good you were at positioning yourself and timing your attacks to take advantage of this and essentially 'steal' turns for yourself made up the meat of an otherwise quite simple combat system; it offered nuance. Counters, even as early as MH Tri, threw a kind of wrench in this idea of combat. Whilst it is still technically call and response, a counter allows you to continue the attack with zero risk, providing you have learned the timing of your weapon. Essentially, providing you combo in such a way that your counter flows into your attacks, you never have to stop attacking. Essentially, the monster never gets a turn and you never have to give up yours. Now, this doesn't mean 'counters bad', it just means they come with their own challenges as a gameplay mechanic: in Tri Lance's counter was balanced by a skill requirement (guard) if you wanted not to be blown back and each guard costing stamina to perform. You could theoretically guard thrust counter every hit, but not when out of stamina. In Rise this isn't exactly a pheasable cost (stamina and skill requirements that is) because most counters don't use stamina, or at the very least not enough to be a significant cost, but I would argue they've taken a lot of measures to balance counters in some areas, though in others admittedly not enough. Take Long Sword's Iai Spirit Slash for example: this is arguably the most powerful no-cost counter in the game, but it has one huge weakness; it leaves you COMPLETELY vulnerable to any followup attacks. If you say, counter Magnamalo's first paw slam with this, the second will ALWAYS hit you, even if it has to turn 180 degrees to do it. This is true of a lot of Rise's counters, they often can't be chained into themselves, and have opening immediately after. This works very well with new monster design: whilst classic monsters for the most part fired individual attacks split up by turning cycles or big gaps, most monsters in Rise have combos that have massively increased homing on the startup of their hits. If you simply try and Iai Counter EVERYTHING, you WILL be hit a fair bit, and this defeats the biggest benefit of a counter: consistent damage output. Now, Long Sword has 3 counters (moves that outright no sell monster attacks); Iia Spirit Slash, Foresight Slash and its Silkbind Counter. Correctly chained, you could block a 3 hit combo by using Foresight into Iai into Silkbind counter without ever losing tempo or changing your positioning. In fact, this leads directly onto the biggest problem there actually is with modern MH's counters: the damage they offer. In Tri, Lance's counter thrust was not CLOSE to the max DPS it could offer. Even in that simplified version of the game, the ideal way of fighting was the same as it has always been: perform basic stabs to the monster's weakpoint... repeat until dead. In this way, whilst Counter Thrust allowed you to continue attacking, CONSTANTLY counter thrusting to deal with every situation would result in a slower less efficient hunt on the whole; if you could dodge something with a sidestep and keep attacking... you should. In fact, in classic Monster Hunter this was true for most weapons. As movement was more limited and counters were absent (or reduced DPS), the ideal way to play even WITH weapons with counters was always to simply not BE where the monster was attacking and take advantage of the window it offered: if a Rathalos is going to charge, figured out where it will be at the end, position near that location just out of reach of the charge itself and combo as much as possible. You COULD counter, but it could come back to bite you either in the time it took to hunt or get you hit if you countered the wrong moves. That's not to say counters were useless, far from it, as there were many windows that only became available after no selling an attack, but they weren't essential to a fast efficient hunt. If anything, they had the potential to ruin it. And to finish off, this brings us neatly back to the main potential issue of counters in Rise, and lets see if we can see why: Counters in Rise are incredibly reliable (they have quite generous windows), are very low risk in terms of being punished for them (most weapons have multiple counters that can be used in succession) and most importantly of all... they do a LOT of damage. Long Sword's Iai Slash, Lance's counter silkbinds, Heavy Bowgun's Counter Shot, SnS's shield parry into Perfect Rush. For most weapons, the BEST way to deal optimal damage is to simply wait for the monster to attack and promptly counter it. Positioning and the need for it to be good has been entirely removed from the calculus. Heck, the actual monster's move is only important based on when it will connect with your hurtbox to counter it. These would still be parts of your gameplay if counters were safe reliable ways to make DPS more continuous but NOT your optimal damage, but as they ARE the best damage on most weapons, any other way of avoiding a monster's attack is completely superfluous. You either counter... or die. But to end on a suprising note... I don't think this is actually a problem Rise should concern it with too much. Yes, I think Counters are slightly too ESSENTIAL to a good hunt, and in any older Monster Hunter the game would have become incredibly one note and simple to play... but Rise isn't an older Monster Hunter game, and I think at least in this case it's better for it. Yes, positioning is less of a feature, but instead timing and deciding what to use and when is far more important than ever. If I'm facing Magnamalo and he does a spin into double palm slam on Great Sword, I need to careful consider which hits I barge and which I dodge with limited HP. On Long Sword I need to use my counters in precisely the right order or I die anyway. In Rise and World, the best monsters are the ones with better homing, more consistent combos and reliable tells: these turn what could be a game breaking problem into a real test of skill, and if more were designed in this way (I'm looking at your Almudron) the game would really be able to turn this problem into a real feature! I guess what I'm trying to say is, joking that there are 'too many counters' or complaining that the 'soul' of Monster Hunter is gone as a result is all well and good, but it really doesn't have a place in discussions of game design and its affect on the resulting product. Counters have their own issues and always have, but the real reason they're contentious today is because the most vocal critics of them are generally older fans who miss the quasi-turn based combat of the older titles. Well, to those of you who fit into that catagory: I miss it too, but there are things happening in Rise that could never occur in the older games, and I for one want to see this new view of MH become the best it can be... not a pale imitation of what came before. So I say double down on designing around counters, accept them as part of the new style's combat and in turn make more monsters engage fluidly with that design. Counters being controversial doesn't mean they're wrong, essentially.

is this the BOB LBG?

TLDR: if critical firepower is intended for spread ammo, then the damage buff should be higher than 30%, to be viable--or just don't increase the recoil, since you're already shortening the range. The demo didn't have the alternate firing method, so I couldn't test it. But if it's 2 steps of recoil--like how elemental reload adds 2 steps of reload--then it's going to need to give 70% bonus damage rather than just 30% simply to overcome the DPS loss from unfixable recoil. Anything more than "low" recoil almost entirely nullifies the use of a LBG build, with very few exceptions Just having "average" recoil, tends to mean nearly 40-50% DPS loss when compared to "low" recoil (low being the minimum possible). So having any amount of recoil at all, makes most LBG builds do worse damage than pre-sunbreark GS (unless you're a GS main, who can also see into the future)

Nicee

FINALLY. Give me my shotgun back. I love playing high risk/high reward. If I'm going to be a flimsy gunner who needs to be right next to the monster anyway, I SHOULD be doing more damage than other ammo types. Otherwise there isn't a point to using it.

Me with Spread 3 + Critical Firepower "Hehe, I can hear your heartbeat..."

I guess every weapon have counter now....

What gun is that?

Let's just hope that Rise's Wyvern Counter is better than World's and I don't even consider myself as a gunner.

30% damage buff LETS GO

let go

okay a SafetyNet

I don't use light bowgun i'm here for the grank rakna-kadacki set

I wish there is some sort of a CQC option for LB like the bow.