At least you cam to your senses

Ya, seems like people hate winners

Montana made riskier plays nowadays its just 1-2 option iso ball. 3 pointer or layup and career maximizing. Brady grew up a Montana fan. I win this debate.

Jealousy..bro

@@wandcamilo3989 If you have to proclaim "I win this debate" then you definitely didn't win the debate.

Well it's not 4 for 4, it's 4 for 12, unless you'd wanna argue Montana threw 8 seasons from the start. Personally I think the getting to 9 SB's versus getting to 4 SB's is more impressive.

@@Asmov i agree. Thays the stupidest argument. That means Montana had more conference championship losses or more one and dones. Brady > Montana.

@@jamiemcdonald4279 : if I remember correctly: JM has more one-and-dones than Brady has lost SBs...

What does Brady have to say about this?Nothing not because he's humble but because he knows how many times he was given the win...What a coincidence Tom Brady wins his first Superbowl & sfart there so called "dynasty" few months after 9-11.A second string QB and a coach who had losing records his first 6 seasons,& they do this against the greatest show on turf.The NFL is as fake as pro weestling.Did everyone forget about "Deflate Gate" & stealing playboooks.Saying Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time is like saying Trump is the best President of all time

@@rickjames4864 : stealing playbooks? You mean stealing signals! That dreadfully thing they did when they were filming 40y of the wrong spot. Awefull doing, just awefull! And they even admitted they made a mistake and got punished for it! Awefull! President Bush should have made them re-locate to College Station and made them the Texas Patriots!

Congrats, one of the best comments, LOL :) Nicely done.

Yawn. Try again.

Daaaaaahhhh?????

what does that mean?

Its a little like saying a baseball manager who was two for two in World Series had a better record than someone who won six pennants and three World Series. Not getting to the Championship game is not a plus,

Tom Brady

That's a low I.Q. tactic, sadly. When it comes to championships, volume supercedes efficiency. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a failure.

@@LukeR.5117 I don't think that they are a failure I think that they don't know shit from silver, therefore, making them an idiot.

Agreed

Yeah,with the refs giving him high fives,cry baby.

RIGHT? LOL

Reading is one thing, comprehension, implementation and personal leadership skills are the other half of that scale.

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Forget about passing all those guy's you mentioned (He hasn't even passed Jeff Hostitler or Trent Differ..) I remember back in 2011 when Rodgers won the SB and they said by the year 2020 he will have 6 more... I see a lot of Mahomes in Fraudgers Mahomes 4 INT's and 2 TD's in 2 Super bowls for $650 Million = Pathetic

Indeed. Context to any era matters. Brady looked great when players eventually couldn't touch him or hit certain ways.

Yep was barley ever touched

Bull. The early 2000s had the same rules but with bigger and faster players. The rules were changed starting in 2006 to benefit Manning, because the Patriots were beating the crap out of him. The real difference is that Montana played in the pre-salary cap era, where wealthier teams like the 49ers could put together super teams like the 84 and 89 Niners, which are top to bottom some of the best constructed teams of all time.

Montana took over a really good Chiefs team first year there and was a dud, Brady took a really good Bucs team his first year there and won another Super Bowl (during Covid which makes it even more impressive). Ridiculous to keep arguing this and burnt out 9ers fans are the only ones that continue to debate it. The facts are with Brady. Simple math 7 is more than 4. Brady did it when it counted more times. Definition of GOAT.

Joe Montana retired at age 38 a broken athlete with 4 superbowl rings. how many rings did brady have at 38? 4. only difference is the era. Brady never accomplishes what he has without rule changes galore and evolutions in healthy and fitness that have allowed him to basically double up on longevity thus creating more superbowl opportunities.

here's the part where I embarrass you. Because obviously you don't watch much football. The New England patriots are known cheats especially when they play at home, Foxboro, did you know that? Nope. It's funny to read the comments of patriots fans, it's exactly what you would expect to read. Watch this - documents most of the patriots tactics on cheating - they're filled with scandals. Anyone who's played against them know this. My uncle worked in their organization for 5 years under the Bill B. Administration and he's always known that they're being fined/suspended players for cheating. ESPN has commonly talked about it... where you been? This is what makes Montana the GOAT. No scandals. His rings and stats are real and earned, not by cheating. Montana played in a real era, tough era, with the best defenses of all time. 85 bears, 86 giants, redskins etc. Those defenses had no salary cap to stack against Montana. The rules were different, back then the QB got smeared every play, hit hard, and DBs could fight for INTs. Todays era is soft and easy, it's called the passer friendly era, if you study football then you already know this. That's why todays QBs stats are inflated. So the argument that Brady's stats are higher is irrelevant due to all this. If he played back then, he wouldn't last as long and his stats would be lower. Not to mention the cheating. Watch here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fd1_e5mVl8ydlJc.html

@@penoyer79 You don't think the rules benefited Montana as well? No salary cap for free agency. This allowed them to stack there team's more, so they could win more. Brady has been able to play longer, but it's more difficult to win a SB than ever - so your point is mute.

@@Biden_Bluh ?? Harder? Montana played concurrent with 2 other dynasties in a stacked nfc. And it's not like the 49ers stacked glitzy free agent super teams with bottomless pockets. 49ers drafted all their players. . They won with homegrown teams.

@@Biden_Bluh and lets not kid ourselves, the salary "cap" is an illusion for the teams that know what they're doing.

Like Von Allen said/says, "They move the goalposts"

Of course they do - they always do.

Brady and the Patriots CHEATED. FACTS!

Exactly, change everything to fit their narrative. Not what is, but what they want it to be. Beyond their original teams, Montana took over a really good Chiefs team his first year there and was a dud, Brady took a really good Bucs team his first year there and won another Super Bowl (during Covid which makes it even more impressive). Ridiculous to keep arguing this and burnt out 9ers fans are the only ones that continue to debate it. The facts are with Brady. Simple math 7 is more than 4. Brady did it when it counted more times. Definition of GOAT.

the only different between the 2 is career longevity due to the era they played in and the progression in player safety, QB protection, health and nutrition so on and so forth which in turn enabled brady to have 2 careers in 1 compared to montana. montana retired with 4 rings at 37 a broken athlete. how many rings did brady have at 37? 4. brady never makes it to 40 and never has the 2nd half of his career without all the help he's gotten.

@@penoyer79 brady played in the 2000s which was more like the old football than the new crapy version they play today.

respect

Peyton is a very close 3rd, and the greatest game manager. Calling his own plays constantly at the line, he was the best ever at that part of the game, bar none.

Brady is the goat

Deflategate

@@systemengineer5517 : Stick'um!

Statisticly speaking Brady surpassed Montana, but I still prefer Joe Cool over Brady. IMO Brady's time is about up, and there's a new sheriff in town, his number is 15.

@@Morbian13 - I give you props for being honest, it's ok to like who you want to like, I just can't stand it when people argue about statistics that are a matter of fact

@@steveTGO personally I can't stand Tom Brady or the Patriots, knowing that there is a guy who has the potential to overcome T.B. statistically even with his extended stay in the NFL just fills me with enjoyment and the fact that Patrick Mahomes is such a much cooler guy than Brady.

@@Morbian13 nobody is respected more than TB12. Longtime rival and once teammate, James Harrison, explains it perfectly.

@@ConstitutionalRepublic00 Im still not a fan.

Ever been in a shanty Irish home in North Chicago? My dad is the biggest Steeler and Bradshaw fan ever *Jack Lambert* is his all time favorite player. Now even my dad admits Brady is the greatest QB ever (And trust me if you argued with him before about that you just might get a beer bottle over your head) And we are total College Football & Pro football literates.. If my dad admits it it's to an absolute 100% certainty it's a fact *UNDISPUTED*

@@trevmac8362 Nope. I had plenty of the shanty Irish homes to visit in southwest Chicago and the head of the household usually worked for the city in some capacity. I once told a native Pittsburgher that I thought of his city and Chicago as rather similar regarding culture. He agreed. In my experience if an average Bears fan had a AFC team they liked, it was usually Pittsburgh for some reason. I watched Pittsburgh because they were usually on NBC every Sunday and had at least 2-3 MNF games which is how I became an immediate fan when they won Super Bowl XIV. So you’re Dad liked Lambert? Well who could blame him? I grew up with friends who idolized both Jack’s (Lambert & Ham) largely because we were too young to ever see Duck Butkus play and Mike Singletary was merely a a unknown rookie who would later grab our undivided attention all the way to Canton. Lambert was something else to watch play. I can still picture his legs running in place, like pistons in an engine, before the snap. Was is it with Kent State and Steeler linebackers? First Lambert, then eventually James Harrison…crazy. Still though the LB group I liked the best was Lloyd, Kirkland, Brown and of course Kevin Greene. They should have won that Super Bowl in Tempe, AZ. Only Super Bowl, to this day, in which I walked away very angry, but that’s a story for another day.

@@moonytheloony6516 Cool story and you are accurate about the Irish living in the Southwest Chi Town because that's where 90% (including a lot of my family members lived) we were the rare one's who lived around the Lincoln Park area.. And yes pretty much all my family worked for the City - firemen and police (My dad was a Cop) and the rest all worked for the railroad.. you mentioned Singletary (FUNNY) i just watched A Football life on him yesterday - Landry told him he was too short and slow for the Cowboys to draft him. damn James Harrison running back that 99 yard fumble (or INT , I can't remember) in that Super Bowl game was one of the greatest things i ever saw - Haha he just barely made it from being out of breath And to close I truly believed the reason my dad liked Lambert so much was because Jack was missing his front teeth just like my dad was We are lifetime Pats fans because my dad was childhood friends with *MACK HERRON* R.I.P who set a couple of records with New England and played there a couple of seasons - we lucked in when Brady got there though, although we all knew about him in his final 2 seasons as a Wolverine - Citrus Bowl (99) and Orange Bowl (2000) MVP

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GET OFF BRADY'S NUTTZ!! BRADY PLAYED THE JETS BILLS AND DOLPHINS FOR 20YRS! AND YOU TALK ABOUT A SYSTEM PLAYER?! BRADY WOULD BE NONEXISTENT WITHOUT BILL! JOE HAD RICE AND TAYLOR FOR ONLY 2 SB'S! TOM HAD RANDY FOR 2 SEASONS... ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING BUT INDIVIDUAL ACCOLADES! BEATEN BY A WILD CARD TEAM...TWICE...AND A BACK UP. Q.B! NOT ONCE WAS HE RESPONSIBLE FOR A GAME WINNING PLAY IN A SB! HE CAN THANK HIS KICKER FOR THAT SHIT! RUNNING BACK AND DEFENSE! YOU CANT EVEN LOOK AT TOM BRADY WRONG WITHOUT GETTING A 15YD PENALTY! AND JUST THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE A X- FILES CASE IN 2019! AND HERE MONTANA PLAYED HIS LAST GAME IN 94! BEING COMPARED TO A QB THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED IN JUST ABOUT EVERY SCANDAL THERE IS TO TALK ABOUT IN FOOTBALL! PLAYED VERY VANILLA COMPETITION DURING HIS REIGN! LESS THAN COMPETENT COACHING STAFFS! RAVENS, GIANTS, A COUPLE OF SOGGY WET DAYS IN HOT HUMID HASTY MIAMI! NO THREATS! MEANWHILE NFC BEAT EACH OTHER UP YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT! LIMPING INTO SB'S... MONTANA: BEARS GIANTS WASHINGTON SAINTS EAGLES VIKINGS RAMS... THEN YOUR SILLY AZZ HAS THE NERVE TO COMPARE MONTANA'S DURABILITY TO MARINO & ELWAY! REALLY?!! WHEN MONTANA WAS IN THE LEAGUE DAMN NEAR 6 SEASONS EARLIER! AND STILL MANAGED TO EARN 4 SB RINGS BEFORE EITHER OF THEM COULD GET EVEN ONE! TOM BRADY 6'4" AND PLAYS IN AN ERA WHERE DEFENSES ARE FORCED TO WEAR HANDCUFFS, AND WHERE 3 & LONG IS NOTHING MORE THAN A BAILOUT PLAY FOR A PASS INTERFERENCE!! IT DOESN'T TAKE AN EXACT SCIENCE TO FIGURE OUT THAT OFFENSE SELL TICKETS! TOM BRADY, PAYTON MANNING WOULDN'T LAST 10MINS IN JOES ERA OF PLAY! NEITHER WERE ACTIVE ENOUGH NOR POSSESSED THE NEEDED MOBILITY TO EXTEND PLAYS OR PICK UP 1ST DOWNS WITH THEIR LEGS WHEN NECESSARY! JOE WAS 6'00" SWAG! DAMN NEAR BROKE HIS BACK CAME! GOT MVP AND TWO RINGS! JOE MONTANA WAS INVOLVED IN STR8 CLASSIC MATCHUPS! GAMES THAT MEANT SOMETHING EVERY DAMN WEEK! JOE COOL...NEVER LET'EM SEE YOU SWEAT! 24/7! NOT THAT LOUD MOUTH BITCHING AND MOANING COMPLAINING EVERY DAMN PLAY BECAUSE HE GOT BREATH ON! THE PATRIOTS PLAYED A DEFEATED COLTS TEAM...AND TURNED IT INTO SOME DAMN GLAMOUR MATCHUP FOR THE NEXT 20YRS! YOU KNOW WHY?!!! BECAUSE THERE WAS BULLSHIT FOR COMPETITION! THEY TRY TO CONJURE UP MATCHUPS! KNOWING DAMN WELL THE PATRIOTS HAD THEM OUT MATCH! FOR OVER 16 F@%#ING YEARS!! JUST WORTHLESS SCHEDULES! AND A GREAT COACHING STAFF! SHIT, Matt Cassel went 11-5 in that system...SO MISS WITH THOSE BS STATS AND PERCENTAGES!! JOE MONTANA IS THE DEFINITION OF GREATNESS! AND WITH ALL BRADY'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS & ACCOLADES! YOU STILL HEAR HIS NAME MENTIONED ALONG SIDE THE BREES'S, MANNINGS(BOTH), RODGERS, BIG BEN, NICK FOLES LOL, FLACCO, WILSON! MY POINT IS! JOE MURDERED ALL COMPETITIONS, MATCHUPS, CLASSICS, SHOWDOWNS, SUPERBOWLS!!!!! MONTANA TOOK LEGENDS HEARTS OUR THEIR CHEST!! THE END! NINERS ALL DAY EVERY DAMN DAY!!! #16 THE GOAT!!!

@@raheemg3764 nobody is reading your nut loving Montana essay lol Brady's the goat deal with it fuck boy lol

@@Hoytshooter i was gone comment that same shit the part I did read in it was sum dumb ass shit only dickriders would say nun us tombrady lovers haven't heard already smh

Raheem G dude football is a system game ! All great athletes use systems .

@@raheemg3764 Joe Montana was the definition of system qb and you want to talk about Brady being one lol dumbass

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I’d definitely go with Montana. He basically only played approximately 8 starting seasons and won 4 championships in one decade. He also has the highest Passer Rating in SB & much higher playoff ratings than Brady...even if you go by single season campaigns Montana still easily wins this.

If you actually watched the video and you are still saying Montana then it's not because he's better, it's because you have a preconceived opinion. I'm guessing those Montana boosters haven't watched the video.

Brady wouldn't have survived the hits that Montana had to take back in the day. Its like comparing golf to mini golf.

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@@VonAllenSportsI'll subscribe, like and comment your videos so this video gets seen. Your video was simply too good not to. Keep up the great work 👍

@@VonAllenSports - this really was excellent work. very well researched and well argued. unfortunately just making it gets us sucked into the vapid, vacuous argument that this whole thing is. "the greatest" arguments, in whatever domain, are not useful to the goal of progress for mankind. I only wish your excellent video would put this particular dismal argument to rest, as it should, but, we know it won't. Kudos to you anyway!

He aint SHIT compared to Montana Hell Brees still has a winning record vs Brady Heres another 1 for ya Kosar was 1 of the few to spank Montanas ass

@@edwardferrell1740 not kosar. What are you talking about.

@@edwardferrell1740 The drugs, stop doing them.

The Pats are the greatest Dynasty in history of the NFL, that's not deniable (barring cheating conversations). But that is not one and the same as saying Brady is the greatest of all time. Those are two different statements. I think there's a stronger argument for saying Belicheck is the greatest of all time, than Brady. Afterall, the Pats have kept winning even when Tom has been sidelined: over a 70% winning percentage with Cassel, Brissett and Garappollo. They've kept winning when Gronk has been sidelined, when central talents have been suspended, and so on. Belicheck has been the constant mad man at the heart of it all. And, last I checked, they did not win either the 2001 or 2018 season SB vs the Rams with passing offense - especially this last one. It's a team game, and Tom has been a good teammate with incredible longevity. That does not make him the GOAT. I think that conversation should be about the coach, and comparing Belicheck to the other legendary coaches.

It's like saying the Florida Marlins 2-0 record is better than the Yankees 27-13 because they haven't lost a World Series...

@@DMDvideo10 no its not. Do the math. 27-13 would be equivalent to 20-0. Thats the same ratio that 6-3 is to 4-0. And 20-0 is better than 27-13 since you brought it up.

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Why not compare the yrs it took for both to win 4 super bowls? Joe 9 yrs, Tom 14yrs, that says it all!!

Jason DeDay there is a video on that it’s actually not that much different actually stats show it’s actually more difficult today time than in those time

@@battlestar1788 its way easier now. You got like 12 qbs with 100 or more passer rating. Stats are inflated because of all the rule changes. You cant hit a receiver over the middle. You cant play bump and run. You cant it a qb below the knees or above the chest or even land on him when taking him down. Its flag football today.

Bingo... Under the rules of the game in tje best days of football, have changed drastically. To put up the numbers of a Peyton Brady and do on, is beyond a reasonable doubt indicating the game has changed in favor of tne quarterback. So to put these guys in a league as the goat...is completely unreasonable.

@@johnre1514 Bingo!!! End of that discussion of delusional debate.

As a Pats fan I hate that he left but as a Brady fan I am glad he took that risk and proved everyone wrong. The only arguments people had left was the system QB bull shit. Well guess what Brady was the system all along shocker right.

well said Perry!

@@VonAllenSports you're a dishonest hack. You left out the key injuries to the LOB in sb 49. You are a hack

Yeah both of those staged games if you believe that was real your stupid

Yeah cause quarterback can't get touched without the defensive getting flagged

@@jovaniperez8739 the first half of bradys career had little protection for qbs. Rules to protect qbs came into effect in 2005 after Kimo Von Olhoffen shreeded carson palmers knees. Somehow brady haters found a way to blame brady for the qb protection rules by labeling it the Brady rule.

@@jovaniperez8739 also, brady gets rid of the ball faster than any qb so defenses couldnt hit him even if they wanted to. If you watched this years playoffs, defenses couldnt even sniff Tom because his got the ball out fast as shit.

Ken Washington Nah he's not chasing ghosts. I think he's trying to put the greatness out of reach for anyone else (the next hotshot qb in high school, middle school, and ones that haven't been born yet). I'm convinced of this because he's competed with every other Qb: from his era and decade, the decade after that, and even now (just spanked up on the new hotshots Mahomes and Goff) and now he's trying to set things out of reach for when he's gone from the game. New Qbs won't even attempt to reach him. That's friggin savage...

Agreed, he wants records now. He should have stopped when his last contract expired.

I concur.

That's team accomplishment that's not who he is as individual he is not the best quarterback to ever play hes just the most accomplished there is a difference learn it

@@dailyselfimprovementredpil4671 so by your own logic Rice isn't the GOAT reciever because he needed someone to throw him the ball....but let's not talk about that....

It was on a super team. Not impressive.

@@sussy8740 how do you figure?

Im not a fan of Hockey but it's only fair to include Wayne Gretzky in that list. Im not sure what the NHL did to the sports media to piss them of for the longest time but theyre a footnote compared to the 90's. But dude was dominate af.

Why not compare the yrs it took for both to win 4 super bowls? Joe 9 yrs, Tom 14yrs, that says it all!!

@@ktloz2246 this isn’t a debate video this is a “why Brady is the goat” video. Heavy bias. Because when people think if Tom they think rings. To the point of the MJ and Lebron, if that’s the case then Bill Russel should be the GOAT because MJ fans ONLY bring up rings. Different era different time, u can’t compare the two because does Tom have more super bowls yes but would Tom survive the 70-80’s no because the NFL protected Brady.

No, you still have to win. There's a reason the expression "2nd is the first loser" exists. Jim Kelly will forever be remembered for losing 4 straight, as opposed to just how dominant those Bills teams he led were. Just look at LeBron. Going 3-5 doesn't increase his legacy, it just made people believe falsely that the East is weak.

Tom didn’t get the patriots anywhere though his team did. 11 touchdowns total in all his playoffs games. Please.

@@ramsey5056 you have to be the biggest idiot on youtube go back to school you bum

@@ramsey5056 you are clearly a mark sanchez lover

jyashin the east has been extremely weak compared to the west until this year and even this year the west has the top 2 teams.

Rings and post season are irrelevant for Tom; his regular season stats beat Montana's full regular+post season stats. The post season is overkill because Brady objectively is the greatest post season QB of all time. Let's not forget Brady over 70% win rate

Also be had the arguably other goat receiver in Moss and look what happened; they BOTH broke the single season TD record on the same exact play! 28 rec and 50 throwing

He just talk good about Tom Brady

Lmfaooo thats too funny

Seen other videos on why overrated made more sense

It was in 2014-2016

He even beat the rules, look up patriots cheating, incase you didn't already know.. espn even covered the patriots dynasty of cheating. Sooo many league suspensions and fines. Can't be the goat when you break the rules.

@@allstargaming5270 What about the 49ers cheating in the 80's?

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You're biased, trust me.

@@thegoat164 yeah, because I'm sure you're not biased, 🤣

@@thegoat164 of course, he's "biased" because he picked Brady. You wouldn't have said that if he picked Joe. But the fact your photo is Joe and you named yourself after Montana, can you not see that you are certifiable man?

"You should just put skirts on the Quarterbacks."-Jack Lambert 1975

@@TheGourdKing it's funny too, because the, they hit harder argument, holds as much water as my colander.

Thanks so much!

That's the way to do it!

VonAllen Sports Are u a pats fan?

@@bluespirit1156 yes

VonAllen Sports I can tell by you’re clear bias’s. To be fair if I was a pats fan I would be bias to but you should have someone else do the comparison.

Respect Bro

Man, I thought I never see a Steelers fan admitting this. I know I would be a hater too if I was a Steelers and never admit it

@@Pats308 Well i mean, it hurtsmy guts admiting it. But you cant argue with reality and 3 rings in each hand

Takes a man too do what u just did, serious SERIOUS respect man

Exactly

​I'm going at it with someone right now talking about how brady lost twice to the giants and once to the eagles. Then I said how many super bowls has brady won since then?! 😂

you can remind them that against the Eagles Brady had 500 yards passing and in both of the Giant's game Brady had us in the lead, it was the defense that lost those games.@@TheMegatron673

@Retro Entertainment Channel Did you watch the video Dan Marino and Fran dont meet the criteria

@Pete G, can I use your point in my next video? I will give you props for it!

@@VonAllenSports Be my guest

They did, just bc they passed the ball less doesn’t mean they didn’t get punished when they did pass. Not saying it’s a feasible argument but if you watch the hits Theisman, Montana and Elway used to take you’d see a lot of stuff that would be a penalty marker today.

@@cormel6895 Watch his most recent vids which debunk what you're saying. it's simple common sense to say that if a QB drops back 50 times, he's putting himself in more danger than if he's playing in the 1970s and only drops back and throws 20 times. It doesn't matter if more questionable hits draw flags now. Because these hits still happen, and a legal sack is still hard-hitting and tough, and can potentially cause injury, and defensive players are bigger and faster now. Joe isn't "tougher" than Brady just because he got hurt playing the position. Somehow Marino and Elway didn't get hurt to the degree that Montana did, despite playing in the same "tough" era. Brady's been beat up in plenty of games over 19 years (notably Super Bowl 42, among many others) and he's never flinched.

Pete G I understand what you’re saying but multiple Hall of Famers have co-signed my claim. Receivers used to get clotheslined looking for a pass & QBs used to get hit ways which would draw a flag nowadays. The rule doesn’t make QBs immune to these things but it makes it far less likely because players don’t want to cost their teams an opportunity at winning ball games. Nobody said anything about who’s tougher but if we’re going to talk about toughness they both are fragile as hell, Brady just goes down clean...Montana wasn’t as fortunate. Imo Eli is the toughest QB of the past decade but that doesn’t correlate to wining so it’s not a big factor. But you must admit it’s easier to pass when defenders are reluctant to take you down...and your career lasts much longer.

Thanks John :)

You should ask Joe Burrow and Andrew Luck if it's flag football.....

@@ravens52raylewis87 You can always find a couple outliers but that doesn't change the FACT the game is soft. Hey, you think the NBA is soft? Ask Kevin Durant about his torn ACL or Klay Thompsons about his torn ACL, etc. Doesn't mean the NBA is a collision sport.

@@ravens52raylewis87 I forgot to mention that even Brady himself says the NFL is SOFT, and when a QB says the game is SOFT you can sure bet it's as SOFT as ice-cream on a hot summers day. Brady also said he could play until 55 years old and was dead serious when he said it. There isn't a QB that played in the 80's that would have ever said anything that ridiculous that the NFL is SOFT or that he could play until 55 years old. We all know how soft the game is today, Brady's statements were just the final nail in the coffin or the icing on the cake. If Brady himself can admit it, I'm sure you and VonAllen can certainly do the same. Rodney Harrison told Brady to "Take off the skirt and put on some slacks, toughen up!" Brady said No thank you, I like my skirt, and besides "I could play until 55 years old" with my skirt on! VonAllen and his minions are making a futile attempt at defending 21st century SOFTNESS.

And he’s back in the Superbowl again!

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No seriously. I thought this was ESPN made at first. The amount of time it took to edit all this alone is mind boggling 🤔.

@@davidsabillon5182 Wow! Thank you so much, I don't know what to say :)

@@VonAllenSports I have thought the same thing. All your videos are ALWAYS. But you forget to bring up the fsct that Brady is plsyed with Free Agency, Salary Cap, a more competitive league, and less hall of gamers than Montana. And made the SB 9 times in 18 seasons. Montana made it 4 in 12 seasons. 50% for Brady, 33% for Montana. Other than the Cowboys from 1992-1995, who did the 49ers fact from 1981-1998 that is comparable to the Pats.

Right? six rings most ever

What a fantastic video. Thank you, for making it. I lived in the U.S., when Tom Brady (TB12 The G.O.A.T.) started and he made me love NFL. I'm so sad that he wants, to retire, I hope he changes his mind.

You should do a Tom Brady VS Peyton Manning video, I think considering Manning Has 5 Mvps to Brady's 3 it might be cool

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@@Ace10098 if you break Brady's career in half he still objectively makes the HOF in the first ballot both times. His regular season stats beat Montana even if you compare it to Joe's regular AND post season. Shits wild.

Don’t forget Steve Young. He was great too

Actually favre or young take the 90’s, Manning gets the 2000’s, Rodgers gets the 2010’s, and it looks like Allen will take the 2020’s

Micheal Sark nuff said ✊🏿

50s: Graham 60s: Starr 70s: Staubach 80s: Montana 90s: Favre 2000s: P. Manning 2010s: Brady/Rodgers 2020s: Mahomes

It's hard to compare these different eras because now the personnel change so consistently. The Montana era 49'ers would beat any of the Patriot teams although the Randy Moss team would be a tough matchup.

@@shopins2002 it's not that hard Brady goat.

@@shopins2002gonna have to say no to that 1 bud i dono if they beat most pats teams. They def wouldn't of beat the team with moss first year. Giants won no denying that but like he said it took one of luckiest catches ever that prob should of been a sack anyways and there's an interview or there where Rodney puts it all on him for not audible to help hobbs with Plaxico. Samuels dropped an easy pick. And IMO the league crying that they were getting beat so bad has something to do with it. Made the pats take the for if the gas a little bit........i think that's the greatest team ever assembled. Look at the D. Best qb ever most talented wr ever. Best hc ever defensive minded.......and you're taking away from the fact Brady had to go against prob the num 3 qb year after year who's offensive was STACKED. Poor the Ravens who D was incredible. A team bb kinda help put together. And then the Steelers. You take away from all those greasy teams theparts had to go through to win. Even Seahawks. And chiefs this year

@@billymo7108 Montana had Hall famers on both side if the ball his entire career in San Francisco. Brady didn't. But has gone to more Superbowls. Nit to mention free agency, Salary cap, more competition, and Brady taking no name and scrub receivers, veterans beyond their orjmes and low draft picks to the SB. Montana always had great-hall of fsme players. Brady didnt.

@subscribetopewdiepieunsubs7765 tom played with many more hall of famers than joe.

That so called "comeback" Brady threw a Pick6 putting himself in that 28-3 hole and then comes back against the 27th ranked Atlanta D😂 Who else has 7 SB Chips? Let me ask you this, how many 20th century quarterbacks played in a SB at the age of 40? Do you get a tuck rule to get you started? Do you get a top 10 defense for 17 seasons? Will the QB be taking huge pay cuts his whole career? If this QB leads his offense to 13 points in 2 SBs does he still get the W like Brady did in SB 36 and SB 53? Does this QB's D get him a pick at the one yard line in a SB to give him the W? Does this QB get to play avg in many playoff games but still get the W because of his defense and a helluva lot of good fortune?

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I dont hate brady, but he's never accomplishing 7 superbowls and playing into his mid 40s during the era Montana played in. he'd have been beaten into retirement before 40 just like Montana was.

@@penoyer79 Yeah I won’t argue with that

@@penoyer79 Still takes a lot of work to play into your mid 40’s in any era, but yes back then was just way to physical

@@Zurhtex this debate is much closer than people think when you take away Brady's career longevity thanks to modern era changes to the sport and to health/fitness.

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Haha unbiased...there's clearly bias in this video. This whole video is made to prove a point to anoint Brady, he talks about being a Brady fan, obvious bias here.

@@jackoff1826 Facts are unbiased though. I grew up A Montana fan and said for many years he'll be the greatest but that debate has been over for years. Love him or hate Him, any one who understands football knows the debate is long over and Brady is the GOAT.

@@seanc.5310 this is a comparison of the quarterbacks of two generational great head coaches. And today's NFL allows for the good QBs to play into their 40s like it's nothing. If not for the change of the sport, Brady would have been out of his playing days by the time he wins his 5th and 6th. So compare all you want, it's not really ever going to be an even comparison. It's going to be opinionated mostly. Take one of the actually great talent quarterbacks to ever play the game and put him on a team with one of these generational coaches and they'd simply be the greatest ever, and probably by far. But the fact is, the best ever talents at the position didn't have given to them what these two had given to them. The fact that these two played for teams that kept right along winning when they weren't on the field should tell you, this isn't a comparison of the greatest ever to play the sport, but simply the better of the ones that were given the greatest opportunities. Paul Brown, Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry...these were all generational coaches that had a good quarterback that was at one time considered the best ever...was it more the quarterback that made the coach, or more the coach that made the quarterback? I'm going to go with the coaches making the quarterback.

A bad year for joe montana was not winning a superbowl... 4 rings in 9 years

@@rickjames4786 Brady won 3 out of 4 at the start of his career, then proceeded to win 4 out of 7 at the end. He might capture another for all we know. Just because Montana didn't play as long in SF doesn't mean we can project his career based on those first 9 seasons.

Fact is, it's all about geography and division. Back when the Yankees were kicking ass on the field and on the payroll, everybody hated them, unless they are from New York. And the Red Sox are their rivals, so when they started winning everybody from New York hated them for taking their top spot in recent years. The Cowboys of the 90s? Every New York Giant fan hated them. Same way about Jets fans and Patriots fans, the Boston/New York rivalry is skin deep. It's not about their hatred for Brady. It's that they can't even stand him. Count me as one of them.

@@MatthewHollie1987 Yeah but plenty of non New Yorkers hate the Patriots too so its not just the New York Boston rivalry.

As a Panthers fan u need to STFU! Joe Montana never needed his kicker to bail him out in the Super bowl TWICE!!(SB 36 & 38) Everybody knows that if Brady played in the 80s, he would of retire in a wheelchair. Idc what this guy in the video says,Brady wouldn't have been great in that era. If prime Joe Montana would of played rn he would be a top QB in the league no 🧢

@@jagartharn6361 Name some.

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Actually you can easily argue that the Babe doing what he did during the dead ball era makes his feats even more impressive. One year when he led the league with 29 HR's... that was more HR's than all but 5 *teams* as a whole had. That's a good way to add perspective and context imo. And I have little doubt that men could throw in the mid 90's and had nasty stuff then too.

here's the part where I embarrass you. Because obviously you don't watch much football. The New England patriots are known cheats especially when they play at home, Foxboro, did you know that? Nope. It's funny to read the comments of patriots fans, it's exactly what you would expect to read. Watch this - documents most of the patriots tactics on cheating - they're filled with scandals. Anyone who's played against them know this. My uncle worked in their organization for 5 years under the Bill B. Administration and he's always known that they're being fined/suspended players for cheating. ESPN has commonly talked about it... where you been? This is what makes Montana the GOAT. No scandals. His rings and stats are real and earned, not by cheating. Montana played in a real era, tough era, with the best defenses of all time. 85 bears, 86 giants, redskins etc. Those defenses had no salary cap to stack against Montana. The rules were different, back then the QB got smeared every play, hit hard, and DBs could fight for INTs. Todays era is soft and easy, it's called the passer friendly era, if you study football then you already know this. That's why todays QBs stats are inflated. So the argument that Brady's stats are higher is irrelevant due to all this. If he played back then, he wouldn't last as long and his stats would be lower. Not to mention the cheating. Watch here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fd1_e5mVl8ydlJc.html

Agreed

Perfectly said!!

Bill was more defense

That was his point. Brady did it himself almost. As he has proven this year with the bucs

Brady 34 Playoff wins Montana 16 54% more tossing cement on that case

@@trevmac8362 Even better: Brady - 16 playoff wins since turning 37.

@@LukeR.5117 that's beyond crazy

yeah lets see him do this 30 years ago with Reggie White pile driving his ass into the astro turf and Leonard Marshall taking his fucking head off.

@@LukeR.5117 "Brady - 16 playoff wins since turning 37."...wow I wonder how that happened? Trev Mac said "that's beyond crazy"....I agree, I mean how could something that crazy happen? Come to think of it, I've seen a lot of crazy things happen in the last two decades. Any of you guys have any idea what's going on? I just thought I'd ask because you guys seem pretty knowledgeable?

That's exactly why I really didn't focus on the bulk stats. Because of era differential, I felt it would be unfair to Joe. So I wanted to focus on other things that make a QB great. Let everyone else make a million videos about stats. I wanted to do something that reflected the things that can't always be discerned from a stat sheet :) Thanks for watching and commenting, I hope you subscribe! :)

But you are leaving out one important fact that when Brady won his first 3 Super Bowls in 4 years *2001,2003,2004* you were allowed to hit the QB. Brady missed the entire 2008 season because he was hit below the knee. But the fact that no one can get around is the salary cap era where in the 80's the 49ers always had the highest payroll in the NFL. You give New England that payroll and Jerry Rice and the once cut and released Joe Montana doesn't stand a chance against Brady in the debate

@@trevmac8362 WRONG! 2001 NFL MAJOR RULE changes were Taunting rules and Roughing the Passer will be STRICTLY ENFORCED. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NFL_season#Major_rule_changes Tom Lady is the Queen of the Arena Football League and Bill Belichick himself knows that! Jimmy Johnson A Football Life Johnson and Belichick are having a discussion about what a PUSS BALL game it is today. I only wish I could have heard the WHOLE discussion. Johnson "It use to be a QB driven League, NOW that's the ONLY thing!" Belichick "Yeah" Johnson "I mean some of the rule changes have helped them too!" Belichick "Oh my god!" Johnson "The receivers aren't intimidated to go across the field, they know they're not going to get the BIG HIT!" Belichick "The DEFENDERS are intimidated, they're AFRAID to hit them!" Johnson "Yeah they're AFRAID to hit them, they don't want to get FINED!" Belichick "Yeah that's RIGHT!" Jimmy Johnson A Football Life to hear convo go to the 47 min 34 sec mark. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iLiXfNV_mJnJXYk.html Joe Montana GOAT QB Ronnie Lott GOAT S Jerry Rice GOAT WR Bill Walsh GOAT COACH NFL Films Top 10 NFL Mount Rushmores #1 49ers Lott, Rice, Montana and Walsh Thee BEST of the best PERIOD!!! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j8xoZZx81sClhoE.html

The QB who was knocked out, was Drew Bledsoe.

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It was over in 2011 lol really over in 2014 completely over in 2017 ultimately over in 2018 over period 2019 lol

Great comeback, but dot. Act like Brady was perfect. He threw the game away and got a mulligan. Miracle catch. How did that ball pop up like that. Brady threw it into the DBs hands.

@@jefftaylor4370 every quarterbacks get some type of luck just eli sloppy throw to david catching the ball with his helmet

Jeff Taylor the DB was turned and the ball was already on him! Go back and rewatch it!

Brady was a statue, he couldn't move and was like watching paint dry. Montana could do it all, the pin point passing from the pocket or on the run and was very mobile and elusive. Even in the 90 Champ game Joe rolled out and GOAT LB Taylor was coming for him and Joe made him miss just before Marshall got there and smashed him from the blindside. Montana was poetic and fun to watch. How many times did Brady have drives extended because of ticky tack roughing the passer, pass inference or D holding calls? Joe never had drives extended because his helmet was grazed by a hand or a DB had a little contact down field, I mean sure there was the odd time a bad call would be made by officials but as a rule that kind of crap didn't happen, unlike today where it's the norm for ticky tack calls to be made. Look at that 2018 AFC Champ game vs the Chiefs and Chris Jones gets called for roughing the passer for giving Brady a little pat on the chest. That's just one example of many I can name. There is no way I would take Brady over Montana...no way in HELL...and in fact would take not only Montana but several other QBs over Brady. Roger Staubach is one of those QBs, Brady might have 7 rings to Staubach's 2 rings but Staubach was only a starter for 8 short seasons and was concussed 20 times during his career playing smash mouth football. Brady plays 22 seasons and retires without a damn thing wrong with him, no concussion issues or shoulder issues or knee issues or elbow issues, etc. In 2008 he took that love tap from Bernard Pollard and tore an ACL and then Brady had a rule named after him, other than that no health issues to speak of whatsoever after playing until 44 years old for 22 friggin seasons in the league. When the NFL was REAL no QB got away with playing into their 40's and coming out of it unscathed. Terry Bradshaw won 4 SBs in his 20's, suffered an elbow injury and retired at 35 years old. Joe Montana won 4 SBs, his last at 33 years old, suffered numerous injuries and retired at 38 years old. Troy Aikman won 3 SBs and suffered numerous concussions and retired at 35 years old. Staubach won 2 SBs and suffered 20 concussions and retired at 38 years old. John Elway won 2 SBs was beat up and retired at 38 years old. Bart Starr won 2 SBs and had shoulder and arm issues and retired at 38 years old. Steve Young won a SB and suffered multiple concussions and retired at 38 years old. There is no way in hell that Brady could have played 20th century ball into his 40's and won a SB, never mind 2 SBs and ANYONE who thinks otherwise is DELUSIONAL.

Yes, the quarterbacks of the past had it tougher. Still, I am glad for better rules for player safety and Brady is a testament to those rules working (though the ticky tacky stuff goes too far and can be looked at). I saw in a John Madden documentary that John was a big part at looking at the the football safety rules , which is interesting and good, since his own Raiders were known for rough play. But, no, I don't like what happened to some of my favorite quarterbacks like Joe Theisman, Jim McMahon, and yes Joe Montana when he was hit by Leonard Marshall. If football is a sport, care must be taken to avoid bodily harm to each other.

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Moving the fucking goalposts all the time is what these haters do.

Tompa Bay Gronkaneers!!! Holy Sh!t what a game ... Truly epic watched it a couple times ..Tom Brady by far The absolute very best quarterback of all time up to this point and it’s not even close.. great video 👍 ❤️

Think you should ADD Brady to to the list of "QB is the system" after 7th.

@@WhiteWolfBitcoin I'm not offended by your comments. I can enjoy watching the greatness of Tom Brady's career and this fairytale like season Tampa Bay had this year and not get upset because someone disagrees with me.

@@WhiteWolfBitcoin I enjoy dumb haters like you, and how tom shuts them up every single time. But it is relaly funny to what lengths you folks go, if anything you can blame BB for spygate and not brady, as for deflategate he was proven innocent in court, those balls where nor deflated, but yea keep ignoring facts so you can keep hating.

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@@smdownh9 Wow, so he's been talking about Otto Graham since the 80s and still didn't know his stat line and didn't know him from Sammy Baugh? That's odd.

smdownh9 Joe says that all the time. He’s like obsessed with Otto Graham 😂

@@kaqueburlington4278 That's kinda the point. He didn't bring up Otto or any of these dudes until after Brady won 4 and 5. The point is it shows how disingenuous he is and that everything he's saying, he's full of crap.

@@smdownh9 I've been getting a lot of requests for Walsh vs Belichick. Would you like to see that?

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only because a longer career gave him more opportunities. why did he have a longer career? because the entire game is geared toward protecting him,

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You think it will be the Steelers in the Championship Game? I'm picking a darkhorse, the Colts! But either way, Patriots win.

@@VonAllenSports its hard to say since its so hard to keep an original team in football. But ill say it will be Cowboys vs Pats in Superbowl.

@@jmass5083 That would be very interesting! Could you imagine the hype behind that? Thanks for subbing, nice to have another Masshole around here! I'm actually from Arkansas but I know the truth. Brady is the GOAT.

@@VonAllenSports I think it will be Pats vs Saints, but TB12 will beat'em anyhow. 7 is a great number...