More Plates More Dates Explains Science of Jiu Jitsu Doping Scandal

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More Plates More Dates Explains Science of Jiu Jitsu Doping Scandal

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Mica Galvao accepts a doping suspension for the use of Clomid, or Clomiphene Citrate, a PED without a Doctor's Prescription. Derek from More Plates More Dates digs deep into the specific details of this drug use, to see what's really going on.

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@rollerr Жыл бұрын

Nate Diaz said it best, everyone's on steroids

@MrSpicabooo Жыл бұрын

100% shit is rampant, when i go to gym or go to class, like young kids are doin shit thats crazy at such a young age and its like theyre not that great at hiding it, anyone who knows can tell but nobodies gonna call em out and theyll never admit it. In 20-30 yrs theres gonna be a epicdemic of men who are gonna be reeping the consequences of what they did in their youth and its not gonna be good.

@Mr.Ciobanu Жыл бұрын

except americans

@MundaneThingsBackwards Жыл бұрын

Including his friends / teammates who got popped. 😂

@MrTooEarnestOnline Жыл бұрын

I honestly want to be one of the people that reaches the highest heights of combat sports without taking steroids. I think I have really good genetics and I think natural representation matters especially for young kids

@rollerr Жыл бұрын

@@MrTooEarnestOnline Best of luck to you

@bobbybobman3073 Жыл бұрын

Derick is such a nerd it's actually shocking how much this works.

@milosmilinkov1689 Жыл бұрын

Your channel really blew up with quality and diversity,really amazing to watch you.

@filthypirate Жыл бұрын

His father should be ashamed for putting his own kid through these drugs at such a young age. He is still growing for crying out loud.

@MKANDRESTINPEACE 6 ай бұрын

Well it increases his natural production of testosterone so it's not unhealthy at all just prohibited

@oaksaint4458 Жыл бұрын

As someone who practices BJJ in Brazil, I can attest that roid culture here is widespread. At least 80% of practitioners take or have taken roids. Some guys often discuss about cycles during practice lol.

@neocloudmarts9613 Жыл бұрын

This is the norm for Bjj unfortunately. It is a shame that this athlete is so young and dependent on this product.

@timothycarey3883 Жыл бұрын

not the norm, most BJJ athletes can barely afford dues and to compete every once in a while. Now some of the high level guys trying to be pros it is probably 50/50 or 60/40 taking stuff.

@beefcakeii Жыл бұрын

It's the norm at the highest level of every sport.

@whiteflame24 Жыл бұрын

@@timothycarey3883 lol it is 100 percent the norm in high level bjj competition. You are talking at like a local level bud. Every top contender in every weight class is doing this.

@dubstepXpower Жыл бұрын

@@whiteflame24 yeah normal at high level.

@Danomax Жыл бұрын

You better pray to god they don't start testing football players to, because then that sport will die too!

@otterdonnelly9959 Жыл бұрын

They’ll never dope test the pigskin game. It’ll blow up. Only Baseball needs to show “honor” face

@whiteflame24 Жыл бұрын

You mean football, basketball, baseball (they are “tested” but it’s not catching shit) MMA (same thing as baseball) boxing, track and field, swimming, cycling I think you get my point. Every high level athlete is using peds in some way that’s just reality.

@estevanarce578 Жыл бұрын

When you regret asking the nerd in class a question about what you were confused on😂

@R3tribut1on Жыл бұрын

Mica's dad actually posted on his insta blood test results of Mica from 2 years ago showing that his test levels were below normal reference ranges and hence going on clomid, but it just goes to show how early he would of start on gear. Words from friends and family circles have said the dad started him on it in his young teens, and theres a photo of him when he was 13 with a diced af physique already.

@onetwo3411 Жыл бұрын

His dad's a scumbag

@jareddias7932 Жыл бұрын

At some point we all need to truly ask ourselves how many of these "phenoms" have been cheating since an early age and how many current champs/top competitors are cheating. How many natural athletes has this man beaten in order to obtain his clout/stardom. Its a bit sad when you think about it.

@jangobango2847 Жыл бұрын

@@jareddias7932 all of them

@thighrannosauruswrex Жыл бұрын

@@jareddias7932 as jango said, all of them. In all forms of sports I never look at the top 10 depending on how many competitors there are. I always look at the competitors towards the middle of the pack as a decent baseline as to who could potentially be natty, and great genetics.

@barcelona19812122 Жыл бұрын

2018 if I'm not mistaken is when mica first came to the USA and competed at kids Panams in long Beach my sons training partner tapped him out at the finals, mica was strong but nothing out of the ordinary but when Louis our student at that time fought him in Las Vegas at ibjjf nationals he steam rolled Louis and he told us that he was very strong compared to his match at pan's and that was just a 4 month gap

@armedjoy3045 Жыл бұрын

Maybe a doctor here wouldn't do it but he's from Brazil.

@jackcharlton2647 Жыл бұрын

Love the channel Zack, literally my motivation to keep pursuing weightlifting.

@drip369 Жыл бұрын

🏋

@sewwhat6525 Жыл бұрын

Am 70 yrs old and the doctor talked about prescribing this due to low T which i declined hard to believe in a healthy young man it wouldn’t be to cycle off steroids

@surrealistidealist Жыл бұрын

Over-training can be hard to avoid, especially if you really love training and competing in BJJ. It very well could be that an athlete is either over-training by accident or on purpose, and their doctor is either missing that or turning a blind eye.

@jonathanmedina8813 Жыл бұрын

Hey what’s up man. Great video and really informative. I work for the IBJJF and I just wanted to correct a few things you said. Mica was tested at the World Championships not the Pan Championship. Cyborg, Vagner and the other athletes were tested at the World NoGi Championships. Two totally different tournaments. If you ever have questions on our events let me know.

@BodilessVoice Жыл бұрын

How do you feel about your sport being the most chemically-enhanced sport on earth?

@jangobango2847 Жыл бұрын

@@BodilessVoice every sport uses PEDs

@timothycarey3883 Жыл бұрын

@@BodilessVoice thats body building not bjj. Every sport that makes more money than bjj has more drug abuse than BJJ, there is more perfromance enhancing drugs on 1 minor league baseball team then all bjj combined.

@greasebob 11 ай бұрын

@@BodilessVoice lol

@cruzmariowii Жыл бұрын

He used it to recover from the gear use. Period

@FirstVids Жыл бұрын

6:40 derek getting tangential and gets awkwardly interrupted with a classic “Ok”

@jacksfacts20 Жыл бұрын

Our understanding of the hormonal system is a mess. For one, it’s getting increasingly difficult to teach medical students everything about medicine. It’s basically a fire hose of information and their’s now so much more of it that it’s getting impossible for students to learn everything. Combine this with the utter complexity of hormones in the body, and many doctors are not prepared for this. For instance, many drug and hormone tests up until a couple of decades ago we’re done just on guys because trying to understand drug and hormonal interactions during different phases of the menstrual cycle in women was very difficult and many researchers didn’t want to try and just assumed that how it worked in men would work in women.

@dubstepXpower Жыл бұрын

Almost need people to specialise more

@bernardoalmeida9596 Жыл бұрын

8:40 is allegedly the reason why he was prescribed the drug, if you read his father's post. In Portuguese His nat test was down due strees and overtraining.

@joeschmoe6908 Жыл бұрын

More like his test was down from using steroids. He competes in a sport where peds are the norm, but his natural test is just low from stress? I mean, you can only believe that if you REALLY want to.

@JDMjames32 Жыл бұрын

So had to watch interviews when people are constantly interrupted, especially people like derek who are highly knowledgeable and have lots to say on a given subject

@soyanchd5439 Жыл бұрын

"Accept usada sanction" like he had any other choice 😂

@queefqueefington Жыл бұрын

Craig Jones, who is a phenomenal bjj competitor himself, said they only test the gold and maybe silver medalist usually. So thats why most of them dont get caught

@thepohCv Жыл бұрын

For the alg

@WarmianskiKoks Жыл бұрын

More tren more men

@michaelsolo. Жыл бұрын

When I was 22, in the military and doing JJ full time, my test was in the 200s. I was prescribed Clomid, HCG, and Anastrozole by a Men's Dr.

@youmang Жыл бұрын

damn thats low at that age....at any age really. Im 43 and had my levels drop quick after 40 also a surgery and judo injuries that kept me out of all workouts. I also went to a mens dr and feel great now.

@statictech7 Жыл бұрын

Yall need to understand that steroids in brazil are normal. You can buy them at the pharmacy. You dont need a prescription. Almost all Brazilian jiu jiu athletes use them and always have. Its hard for Americans to understand that. Also, why defend him? Its very very obvious that he cycled off. Its 2023, athletes know clomid solo will not give them any type of advantage.

@jaredgalloway3642 Жыл бұрын

More people need to understand this... Most countries are like this... You just show up at the pharmacy ask them for what you need and then you buy it... That's it...

@carlosmoura9738 Жыл бұрын

It does not work like that tho. Is It easy to get your hands on some very heavy roids? Absolutely. But not legally, everything that goes beyond test cypionate (known here as "Deposteron") is heavily regulated. You don't need a prescription bc you're dealing with the "black market". The downside is you don't really know the quality of the product and everything is very expensive

@Kevin-mw6kc Жыл бұрын

It was prescribed in Miami

@JP.......... Жыл бұрын

Im sure you dont live in brazil bro

@djphatb Жыл бұрын

You might have to shop around but I have managed to get black label medication without prescription at pharmacies here in Brazil. I Am pretty sure steroids would be just as easy. It would probably be easier to get it then most other medication.

@IVIFII2IC Жыл бұрын

Grape Juice and Jesus 😂

@mogrowneyiv7306 Жыл бұрын

*Acai

@The_Argent_Inferno Жыл бұрын

For the algo gainz

@drip369 Жыл бұрын

🥈💪🥈

@hassanigourna Жыл бұрын

the bottom line is that if his training is so hard that it is causing low test, the reasonable answer is to train less and recover more, not to take banned rugs to allow him to push beyond his body's limitations.

@BG-sj7zh Жыл бұрын

he wouldnt be the best in the world if he hadn't of overtrained

@valeriybaibossynov2690 Жыл бұрын

@@BG-sj7zh yeah that's why it is not hard work, but cheating

@LeonYuL Жыл бұрын

I would be surprised if he doesn't, it's so common in almost any sport any age

@pninnan Жыл бұрын

It completely makes sense to me that mica has been overtraining for years. Bjj competition is his entire life, his competition schedule has been ludicrous. Why is the same crowd that was so quick to call Nicky natty so quick to condemn mica?

@BG-sj7zh Жыл бұрын

pretty common sense one past one failed is why

@SamuraiKidMusic Жыл бұрын

when paulo miyao got popped, i figured everyone's on the secret juice...

@greasebob 11 ай бұрын

Yes because he sure didnt look like someone on roids.

@ferrm1992 Жыл бұрын

This isn’t a controversy if it’s an untested competition. But now that it is tested, it borrows itself to show who’s physiques, performances and/or recoveries will melt

@ADAM_COLLECTS Жыл бұрын

it is stuff like this that will prevent BJJ from getting into the olympics.

@babushka2588 Жыл бұрын

What do I take to get a full head of hair, 4 inches taller, and 4 inches on my low end?

@bobbybobman3073 Жыл бұрын

What is commenting?

@drip369 Жыл бұрын

☝

@ConreteOceanz Жыл бұрын

QUESTION:Does natural mean you just keep your levels at 300 ish? . I mean I was on TRT for 10 years and kept my levels consistently at 300ish with very similar labs to NATTY ROD. I too had thick blood for years until I got off TRT. just wondering if similar situation or anyone experience similar? I'm not hating , but if what makes you natural was your blood levels , then thats kind of well ya know. What are you guys considering as natural? blood levels within natural limits OR absolutely no synthetic form of test and still having test levels from 300-600? I would have been considered natural if i never told anyone . oh and i was a beast in my BJJ gym, my guys can vouche for sure I live in Vegas

@MrTooEarnestOnline Жыл бұрын

I think any use of exogenous hormones is unnatural. You may hover around natural levels and not get caught, but it’s still unnatural

@jangobango2847 Жыл бұрын

300 is almost hypogonadal i think

@timothycarey3883 Жыл бұрын

mine was 200 before i started trt in 2019, i take very low dose and am around 500-600 now. The science is much better to do it healthier now. Test causes estrogen to rise so you take anastrozole for estrogen, this causes blood to thicken which you can fix by donating double red blood every 90 days, this keeps everything in a good spot. I didnt start trt until I stopped competing, I will be 40 tommorrow and got my 3rd degree on my blackbelt last week and i plan to roll another 15 years or until my body is too frail, lol.

@gonzalosanchez6387 Жыл бұрын

It's ridiculous that at this time and age, someone of the level of Mica took Clomid without knowing it was banned. Claiming ignorance is not a good look for sure.

@Biel2425 Жыл бұрын

you should see his blood test, as you said, he overtrained the shit out and his testosterone level dropped.

@SunsetWatcher77 Жыл бұрын

Was it Joao Miao who got popped for clomid a couple years ago?

@SamuraiKidMusic Жыл бұрын

paulo got stripped of his world title...and he's like 140 pounds lol

@mr.q_rolos2161 Жыл бұрын

Açaí and Jesus but all jokes aside mica is still a beast

@carlosgap5 Жыл бұрын

You should have told derek that the kid is vegan

@HectorGonzalez-gb2qj Жыл бұрын

👉👉👉 FUCK THAT!!!!! Nick, can you do a research on how young Brazilians are using PED’s? Micah Galvao is definitely a great example and it permeates into believing that PED’s is literally dominating the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu scene in every EVERY COMPETITION. 👈👈👈

@notaheretic6675 Жыл бұрын

Why are they drug testing bjj events it doesn't make sense

@mrcrazysnipez1 Жыл бұрын

Does clomid have to be specifically tested for

@rustysausage69 Жыл бұрын

Yes but a good testing agency can identify you're using something without specifically testing for it. If a proper hormone profile is established on an athlete (to basically outline biomarkers of that specific person's high and low hormonal reference range), taking clomid WILL throw off E2 on a blood panel as well as elevate liver enzymes, and further testing will be initiated for specific drugs that could be the cause. EDIT: Testing for specific drugs can get VERY expensive which is why specific things aren't tested for right off the bat (carbon isotope testing to pinpoint exogenous vs endogenous testosterone can cost almost 10K for one person), taking blood from someone is cheap. EVERYTHING you can possibly take to enhance your performance is identifiable in a full blood panel.

@mrcrazysnipez1 Жыл бұрын

@@rustysausage69 woah thank you for taking your time to reply that, I appreciate that!

@rustysausage69 Жыл бұрын

@@mrcrazysnipez1 Absolutely brother

@archierose1432 Жыл бұрын

Hahahaahahaha Lebron of BJJ. Dude ……… come on.

@hass2440 Жыл бұрын

No discussion is required, his dad and mom are juiced to the gills. It’s the family business

@greasebob 11 ай бұрын

His dad is not Andre, lol.

@hass2440 11 ай бұрын

@@greasebob yeah my bad, his actual father still gives him PEDs tho. There’s no natural occurring reason why he would need clomiphene

@lucianoDoni1 Жыл бұрын

In the old days jiu jitsu guys would take care of health and believed in a good diet to improve performance. Açai became famous world wide because of jiu jitsu guys would eat it all day. Great fruit super healthy. But nowdays the guys use steroids just to perform well in the gym, drugs are a big part of the culture.

@mobilitybaka Жыл бұрын

Don’t you think overtraining as a vegan could be destroying his testosterone?

@mitchellsteindler Жыл бұрын

Overtraining and lowering testosterone has nothing to do with being vegan my dude.

@mobilitybaka Жыл бұрын

@@mitchellsteindler pretty sure not recovering has a lot to do with being vegan. My dude.

@PlugThePull Жыл бұрын

@@mobilitybaka No + he's not vegan, only vegetarian

@tychobrahe6379 Жыл бұрын

@@mobilitybaka It doesn’t. There’s not really anything magic about animal products.

@watermelontreeofknowledge8682 Жыл бұрын

@@tychobrahe6379 well putting micronutrients aside, it’s just tough to get an adequate recovery if you struggle to get protein in your diet. It’s an uphill battle if you keep meat out of your diet

@luke53285 Жыл бұрын

Is it likely he needs it? Not at all

@mrcrazysnipez1 Жыл бұрын

If he’s crushing his body, not sleeping much and constantly getting after it.. then his test is probably very low meaning he probably does

@luke53285 Жыл бұрын

@Conor J I've been a wrestler my entire life, there's no history of the same problem and i promise wrestlers "get after it" a lot more than bjj athletes.

@mrcrazysnipez1 Жыл бұрын

@@luke53285 but everyone is built differently and that could be proximity bias?

@luke53285 Жыл бұрын

@Conor J I currently compete in bjj and did compete in greco, freestyle and scholastic wrestling. I knew hundreds of athletes at the highest level. Not one was on clomid monotherapy. If you wanna argue it's something deeply individualized to him like an adenoma I could buy that more than him just crushing his test with too much training.

@samwelltayrlor Жыл бұрын

Supposedly he’s vegan at least that’s what Craig Jones said who knows if he’s lying though. If he is I can see why he’d be doping. 19 is still super young though and I don’t know how you’d lose so much sleep if your that much of an athlete. Maybe stress? In that case it’s more mental so why do steroids?

@billywalendom Жыл бұрын

13:30 could be missing something but as a world class , even elite among world class bjj athletes, why wouldn't he have the best doctors. maybe you can get into bjj not paying that well in comparison