You’re an angel, thanks for covering this issue ❤

Driver has no idea where to look for how much rider pays)) where do u get those retards?? Come interview me) I do this for 7 years now) I know all the tricks and I’ll show you how much real drivers make. To see pax price swipe up and by log out button thing way bill. Push on it and like 7 lines down is pax price.

When you do thing right Uber is negative on you) Uber loosing money when u know what u do..

Uber and Lyft are epic examples of deception

Just a thought, but can the uber user talk to the driver after he pulls up, cancel the ride, and just pay what uber was charging in full to the driver? Not a boycott, but a pricecott.

Sounds like what all corporations do! Walmart I’m looking at you!

Yep!

@@nwatson2773 Staples did that too. They practically gave stuff away, put all the mom and pop stores out, then they raised prices.

This part is exactly what they did

Actually they got the model from Amazon. Which is to secure massive amounts of funds from Wallstreet, run your businesses for a loss for over a decade to drive out the competition and then jack up your prices once you have a monopoly.

You got paid nearly 60%, they are in the business to make money not be a charity. As a stripper once told me you took the job it’s not my fault you don’t like the tip.

​@@Ohzeeyayhahahaha

@@Ohzeeyaystrip clubs have laws to prevent monopolies

If you have to dead head back your actually getting like 14 dollars.

⁠​⁠@@Ohzeeyaythis is the mentality that ruins everyone from getting payed the right amount and for corporations to continue to be greedy

Why don’t you get a different job?

@@The_North0 actually I did thanks for concern

@@The_North0why you willing to pay more as a customer😂😂😂 if they can solve this issue the price will come down because right now uber take 50% if there is a regulation that force them to take only 25% uber will definitely not paying more to driver, they will lower the price! 😂 but that will benefit driver too as the price come down, more customer will take more uber than other public transportation

You make 130k,per year 50/50 shame on you Uber and Lyft

Unionize

There is a commercial insurance policy paid on for everytime plus all the data/ software expenses. Don't think that's cheap for Uber. That's why a fair price for a ride is the taxi rate. No way around it.

​@@djlemoncello6064you actually have to pay that yourself.

@@djlemoncello6064Really??? That policy is a JOKE! They don’t pay out on claims very often and WHEN THEY DO!!! The driver pays a $2500 deductible…. Lololoolllll! Stop it..

It's still not a expense free business. And yes the customer in the end pays for the ride which should be valued at the price of a cab when you sit down and do the math. And that commercial policy is what your elected officials have set up as a legal requirement. I don't defend Uber, I use to drive to the platform and still take rides. Still a better deal than a DUI.

@@djlemoncello6064 bottom line is this…. That “trickle down” effect shit don’t work. Any business has operating expenses… paying a CEO MILLIONS of dollars is not necessarily an expense that is worth the cost. If the people at the top of the company STOP being greedy and take cuts from their own wages like the folks on the bottom have to, maybe, just MAYBE the playing field would be a little more level

It's the same reason Dominos was able to make it. If Dominos footed the bill for just insurance of the vehicles and drivers, they would never have made it. They offloaded all that expense to the drivers.

“Profit is revenue minus expenses“

As an accountant. What is the best side hustle?

I'm not an accountant but I did the same thing and I come up with approximately $7.20 an hour after everything is paid including my taxes That was two years ago They don't give as much promotions now and I did the math again and now I'm down to $6.25 an hour

I'm kind of surprised you were making even $9 - $10 / hour with it. I knew people in the taxi industry (back when it was alive and before the ride share apps came in illegally) and even back then, taxi drivers were only making about $5 / hour (if honest) and up to $10 / hour if dishonest and willing to break the law [illegal parking frequently, running the occasional red light, charging the wrong tariff, charging extra tolls that were not warranted]. Of course this was 15 - 20 years ago. The reason for this was that taxis had a lot of expenses. i.e. Owner would supply a car, insurance (very expensive), rego (very expensive) and he would do 50:50 with the driver. i.e. If $200 on the meter for the day, the driver would get $100 and the other $100 would go to the owner for maintaining the vehicle. Sure, $100 sounds like a lot but it is not. Rego was about $3000 / year (public passenger vehicles (i.e. buses, taxis) pay huge CTP due to the higher risk due to driving so much) Insurance was $3000 - $4500 / year (Again, higher chance of crashing due to driving so much) Affiliation fees (paid to taxi call centre) was $700 / month ($8400 / year) So far the owner is up to $14400 - $15900 and that's not even any maintenance yet. Let's say a car costs $30,000 to purchase and lasts 300,000 Km (with no oil changes, no maintenance, no tyres) and that the day driver puts 150 Km on it each day ($200 on the meter) This means the car cost (without maintenance) is 10 cents / Km 150 Km = $15 Converting $14400 to daily is $39.46 - $43.56 Let's round $39.46 - $43.56 to just $40 for easy math $40 + $15 = $55 (out of that $100) so now the owner is left with $45 Next, the owner has to pay for fuel or half of it. Fuel for the day is about $30 (Well was back then) so take another $15 out of the remaining $45 = $30 There is of course another fee which is the taxi plate. They are purchased for a few hundred thousand dollars or leased for $2000 / month from an owner. $2000 / 28 days = $71 / day. Subtract $71 from the remaining $30 = and the owner is now making a loss of $41 each day. How is this possible ? The owner of course needs to run the taxi 24/7 (day and night driver) to make a profit. The night driver of course makes a lot less but if he's good, and works 12 hours he can make $150 on the meter. So this gives $75 to the owner - fuel of $30 - $10 vehicle cost = $35 Now the owner is only losing $7 a day Here is the tipping point. Friday / Saturday night drivers take more so instead of $200 on the meter, the good ones will put $300 on the meter. This adds $200 to the equation which the owner will get $100. So now he's making a profit of $93 / week. Remember, this is if there is no maintenance , no oil changes, no tyres. This is why a lot of taxis are going around without comprehensive insurance (pays for your own car and other things you hit) or just 3rd party damage (pays for what you hit only) Of course when uber came out, they were taking 25% (not 50%) but you the owner were supplying the vehicle (purchase, maintenance, insurance, registration). Of course you didn't have taxi call centre affiliation (well you did - 25% as uber), paying an owner (well you're paying yourself anyway) so it looked like a better deal, however you were getting paid less as uber rates were about 50% of what taxi rates were (which is why people switched). This is why a lot of uber drivers drove their car into the ground then were broke and unable to buy a car after 2 years when their car was now dead.

Not all of them would do this. You got lucky.

Yeah, some drivers are straight-up douchcanoes.

Also did you tip the guy in cash for all that? That’s a questions that needs to be asked

Yes I did. I am an Uber driver myself.

In NYC they're the most hated drivers on the road. But seeing how they're treated I understand why they're so stingy.

Did you not watch the video? These drivers are "educated" enough to know that.

@@ctll626 I'm not specifically talking about people in the video. I'm sure most people are noticing a lot more vehicles with bumpers taped on. My point is that these companies are taking advantage of this dynamic. There is no regulation preventing them from abusing drivers. Documenting in order to hold them accountable would be difficult and costly. Hopefully our comments help people

The problem is once people became dependent on gig apps for income they knew they could treat them shitty

@@AdventuresnTyland yup, Why are 1099 jobs allowed? I think it's just a way for corporations to save the cost of benefits while paying low. The workers end up taken advantage of.

I don’t no what you call educated but it’s self explanatory wear a tear brakes doors starter fuel miles etc…….

Dude, I've been driving for 4 months now and I'm doing the same thing that you're doing, only focus on the short rides. I drive a Tesla Model Y in San Francisco full time (as supplemental income), I charge the car at home and spend less than 4 dollars a day,I don't go to the superchargers because I don't need to drive that much, 80% of the battery is enough for me to drive 9 hours in the city of San Francisco. I mostly only drive short trips now in the city because most short trips actually pay way better than long trips per mile. San Francisco is a fairly small city, and SFO is only 25 mins away from downtown SF, the airport trip is the only long trip I do now, because I know after I drop someone off at SFO, I'm going to have another ride right away going back to SF, so I can make $50 or more in less than an hour. I would reject any long trip other than airport trips. The most important thing to keep in mind is the money we make per mile and whether or not you will get another ride immediately after one ride is finished. Driving in SF and mostly focus on short trips satisfy both conditions. Plus the two times or more airport round trips, I can average a little over $30 per hour and make $280 in less than 9 hours with only 4 dollars spent on home charging. No car beats Tesla in terms of cost on fuel/gas if you home charge your vehicle.

💯

That’s me short trips

They've already created it.

Hi Joe- you worked for the corporation or you were a driver?

Technically you didn’t work for Uber. You are self employed if you were the driver.

Lyft too!

You chose to do it. Nobody forced you to get “ripped” off.

​@@Fedgery007Go sit down!

But yet you continue driving for the Devil😂😂🤦🏻‍♂️

@@fivestarlimos barely

I worked for years for these apps. At any time I can flexibly log off and never work again. Which I eventually did. Given the freedom and flexibility I had, why did you never realize that if you weren't happy to continue, you could simply log off and never ever go back online? Like seriously - If you don't want to do it, why did you keep opening the app and driving again for the same app?

​@@fivestarlimosI'm 14 months in and made the decision. To leave asap, so not for much longer. Great video and informative!!

That’s what happens when you follow the rules in life. You end up on a dead end job.

Not class action. You're a contractor you have no rights. The only way forward is to unionize within cities. Union doesn't mean employee designation but an organization that can represent drivers for negotiation and fighting back these greedy assholes. Minneapolis is now the battleground for this. The city declared a minimum per mile and per minute fare rate and that is the only way forward.

And then after 3 years litigation and settlement, each driver receives an average of $30 payout. 😂

Same as the union. You are gig workers with the freedom to come and go as you please but you want protections of an employee or Union membership. A complete work stoppage is the only answer but there's tools out there that will work for 10 bucks and hour. So...

@@josephcoleman57If everyone was to stop working for Uber and Lyft as a protest, those companies will suffer. The problem is drivers need to make extra money just to get by. It’s their only source of income for some. But still, someone needs to form a union geared specifically for the gig economy, especially rideshare. It’s the only best way we as the people are going to win.

You need to pay attention to the accounting as they are not messing with you tips. I verify all my upfront fares. The tip always comes in on top of the quoted upfront fare...ever single time for 10,500 trips. To prove my point, I've had about 20 rides that tipped before I ended the ride. In all cases, I got the upfront fair AND 100% of tips. I'm not defending Uber because the are crooks. I'm just stating I have massive data showing ZERO tip skimming.

They have stolen my tips many times and the shop and pay orders are always me spending my own funds and having them reimburse me because their Uber card is always declined. I call support and they are scripted and not helpful.

@@lepouchepillows5055 Uber support is an AI chatbot

@@Jimboit2 Well, I have evidence that shows otherwise and other drivers here locally in Dallas that say the same thing. I’ll take my last tip of the day just to show it happens all the time. I was tipped $3. Uber deposited $2.85. This is done on every single tip. It’s called “tip shaving.” Doesn’t seem like much but it adds up. The “it doesn’t happen to me so it can’t be happening to you” defense doesn’t work. But hey, I’m sure Uber is proud that you’ve tried your best to come to their defense.

@DesignsByDannyB well, good luck driving for a company you say is stealing from you right under your nose. Doesn't sound like you really care so happy driving!!!

There must be a class action against these companies

I have been a Lyft and Uber driver for just over 10 months. This is a short term situation for me while I wait for hip replacements. I have an MBA and have monitored my income, hours, expenses and, when available, the amount the passengers paid. For drivers to say that Uber and lyft's take rates are 40 to 60% misses the actual mark significantly. Those # are based on the gross fare the passengers pay. Essentially all the costs are carried by drivers. The fuel, maintenance, depreciation, equipment (vehicle payment) come out of the driver's take. When adjusted to reflect the costs incurred by drivers the ride share companies take rate is 78 to 90+% of the fare. Uber and Lyft don't want to release data on costs, take rates, etc because the backlash they'd face would be unbelievable. These companies also take advantage of the driver's lack of education on how to run a business. Think of any company's equipment expenditures, the investment made in a backhoe, water jet or CNC machine tool are for the sole purpose of increasing the companies profits. Uber doesn't want drivers to think about costs in this manner, they prefer it when driver's think "well I have the car anyway so . . " Here's a way to understand the situation. Cab services existed and made money for decades using a business model that didn't depend on manipulation and deception. The cab services owned the vehicles and employed the cabbies. The cab drivers made 8 to 12 times what uber drivers do and the "technology" used to run the business consisted of a phone line, dispatcher and 2 way radios. The advantages that GPS brought to the I dustry was a gift to the drivers. The massive overhead that uber has is of almost zero added value. The algorithm is designed to maximize Ubers profits at the expense of the passengers and drivers. The ride share business is a scam, not very different than WeWork. The buzz created by an online shared work 3nviroment/commercial real estate venture overwhelmed the ridiculous business model it used. The situation with Uber is no different. Going from one place to another in a car does not require, nor benefit from a Google Cloud Services deployment. It's window dressing at Best. Additionally, It was also to the cab services advantage to make the best use of their drivers efforts and minimize the distance and time between rides. Uber doesn't pay drivers for the time and distance required to get to the passengers location. I've been offered rides through the app that paid $4, where 3-5 minutes in duration and a couple of miles in distance. The passenger location was 24 minutes and 8 miles away. On a hourly basis I'd make about -$5 an hour if I accepted a ride like that (just in case there's a misunderstanding, that hourly rate is NEGATIVE $5 an hour, I'd be paying Uber to drive their passengers around. The monumental waste of fuel and human capital, along with the environmental impact, that Uber is guilty of in this business model is shameful.

@@jscotlandr Outstanding comment. Thanks

@@williamwolfpeyote8286lol wtf! You did that? Poor rider.

@@williamwolfpeyote8286fawk that, I would have told the rider to cancel and told them to give me $50 and we would have been on our way!

Don't work for them I believe it's still voluntary

​@@Cardiojunkie1 I don't believe is volutary to pay for food, rent etc. Drivers have no alternative

@@Gusr404 right

Class action law suit

​@Gusr404 but they don't earn anything, even if you have illusion you do all those money will go toward repairs and amortization

That wouldn't be a tip then, it would be a fee. Gratuity = choice.

@@StopcensoringFreespeech yea and kinda not bad for sitting on your ass for a couple hours

I'm guessing that Uber adjusts airport pricing based on what the airport charges Uber plus how good the public transport options are. For example SFO airport has the BART train station right in the international terminal & the free air train between terminals. LAX still does not have a train service but one is coming soon from what I read online.

Who cares?

Taxi companies weren't saints in that scenario either. The major complaints most people had with taxis were how when you ordered one they rarely showed up. Uber/lyft fixed that. Also the Taxi companies had a monopoly on the market until ride share came along. So the prices of cabs kept going up and up. It is STILL cheaper to catch an Uber than it is to take a cab in a lot of places. Then you have the fact that Taxi companies spent MILLIONS on getting legislation passed to outlaw ride share rather than try and compete.

Your dad should be switching from black cab to Uber/Lyft at the time instead of whyning.

I moved over to DiDi in late 2022 when I saw Uber had some unethical practices like changing riders ratings for no reason, overcharging and having a very poor support system. With DiDi, I find they are prompt with my concerns, especially if a driver treated me rude, and are strict about their policies.

Taxi drivers were gouging us for DECADES and this was the eventual market response, if drivers and companys charged fairly in the first place uber or lyft wouldnt exist.

Why? You dont have to use it no one is forcing u

@@user-ff5nv8ft6nExactly. This victim mindset is so common these days. Blaming everything on a corporation when they are doing nothing wrong. You don’t like their services? Don’t partake. It’s that simple.

Sue them for what? For making a profit? Get out of here.

Sueing wouldnt really work. The best way to fix them would basically be either for someone to create a new platform orrrr everyone (riders & drivers) stop using them.

@@michaelslifecycle Actually it's not that simple. Yes they are complaining about the pay but Uber and Lyft are breaking the law because these drivers are employees not independent contractors. They are due vacation pay, unemployment insurance, and workers compensation insurance. I am a former payroll professional and human resources manager. The law states an independent contractor 1. Sets their own pay rate. 2. Decides how to do their job. 3. Does not have to accept pets (except servive animals by law) There are other things as well. But Uber and Lyft have many other shady practices: Lyft will cancel a drivers ride while they are en route and give it to another driver! That's an example of many practices for which they should be sued. So this is about holding these big corps accountable to the law. If they paid according to law, the pay rate would not be an issue.

What Uber is doing should be illegal. They publicly and even advertise that drivers make some ridiculous amount of money per hour which is an absolute lie. They raised the fare for passengers and told them it was for driver retention and the extra money was going to the drivers. that is a lie. Passengers now don't tip. they hardly ever tip. I only had one passenger tip me Friday night despite me staying out until almost 3:00am in the morning to get all these drunkards home safe and they all had disposable income. the passengers are completely ignorant to how little money the drivers are making because Uber lies to them so they don't tip!

desperation

Just really late to the game. Thx

Look at entire gig economy - the concerning part is how much of the economy this is? It’s all a part of rich taking advantage of poor. Nothing new…just context has changed….

is doordash better?

@@blackfalcon1324 Door dash used to be good but it’s gotten worse and only going downhill, they keep advertising for more drivers while simultaneously dropping the pay dashers receive

Bro just came to america off the boat and he purchased a moped LOL. Brokie

Using legalese nonsense to avoid labor laws is called capitalist innovation

It is all about robbing the small guy...Hey Amazon is doing it with Amazon Flex...It is all about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

The same as fn Amazon delivery driver’s

how can a more perfect union be pushing this bs how can you call yourself a more perfect union justifying not paying people a living wage like taxi drivers

Absolutely. It's a grubby little scam a lot of industries are in on. Claim someone's an "independent contractor", sheet home all the operating costs onto them, all the while exercising a level of control over what they do that should make them an employee with all the applicable benefits. "Be your own boss!", they cry. "Flexible hours!", they bleat. It's all bullshit. They run you ragged while you have to work increasingly long hours just to break even, and if you complain... "Oh dear. It looks like we won't be renewing your contract. Sorry." And you better believe they'll fight tooth and nail to protect this exploitative model because it makes them phat stacks and costs them pennies.

These companies will not need drivers in the near future. The demand for drivers are falling while AI is catching up. That's why their pay is decreasing.

If you think that’s bad, try working for just about any other corporation. That CVS employee making $15 an hour while she’s moving thousands of dollars worth on merchandise? That Amazon driver making $15 an hour while moving thousands of dollars worth of merchandise? That Apple employee making $15 an hour while moving thousands of dollars worth of merchandise? Yea, it’s all the same. If anything, Uber pays out a very large percentage of their transactions to their employees compared to just about any other large corporation. This is just capitalism my friend. You don’t like it? Don’t partake. It’s that simple. There must be something good about it if you keep going back to do it.

Take away the fees that they charge the customers such as using the app, the booking free, the taxes, etc and if you take all that out all that's left is the fair and you would find out that what You are being paid is about 75% of what they are being charged. Comments like this is completely ignorant and further reflex that not only you but most drivers do not understand how the pay works. I am not supporting these companies but at the same 95% of you drivers are just downright ignorant as to how all this works

@@maj.jeffreys.grantcmas-psm9558 Facts 💯

@@michaelslifecycleI always say that people would make more money delivering pizzas for a major chain than you ever would doing gig work. Delivering in a tourist town, drivers would make a killing. 💸🤑

nothing else was their plan, destroy taxis and afterwards take as much as possible.

They get a percentage of your tip as well? Not just the fair?

@@NeuzahnsteinUber has a contract with yellow cab in NYC.. google that debacle 🤦‍♀️

Imagine making something, doing all the work to build it, sell it, and then have someone who only slapped a label on it with a brand name just takes the majority of the money. Welcome to late-stage capitalism, where you're just a slave with a few extra steps.

@@Phil198431 Tested this the other day with a client (Denver, CO Area) and Uber does not take anything out of my tips.

People are out of work, so more drivers...

@@mrbackyardmechanic3956and different CEO.

More drivers should not have an effect on rates.

@@markfarley671 More drivers to them mean drivers are expendable, they will keep racing to the bottom

​@@markfarley671more drivers with the same amount of riders or fewer riders will always affect rates. Supply and demand dude

They often write legislation that is then pushed by local politicians that completely favors the tech corp gig job creator. I worked as a taxi driver from 1997 to 2012. The taxi system needed reform, but what we got instead was the destruction of that job and replacement with a worse form of the same thing. All work deserves a thriving wage, from shit shoveler to code engineer. Nobody should do work for subsistence wages, in any country. And it's all, in the end, to enrich a few selfish assholes. This doesn't further humanity or enrich us. And yet the tools are there to do exactly that.

@@Debilitator47 Amen

The sad part is the government does NOTHING. So unless you you join a union you will keep getting screw, I stopped taking trips to NY and NJ, trips that use to pay me $120 for 80+ miles now they want me to do them for $67 dollars, how in hell I'm suppose to drive 84 miles to NY where I can't do Uber and come back to my area another 84 miles for a total of 168 miles for 67 dollars.🤦

Profiting? Look at their financial statements, they've turned a profit exactly one time in their entire existence. Their retained earnings is negative $32 billion, meaning their accumulated losses exceed all profits by $32 billion. Consistent losses like this are not sustainable. If Uber doesn't start taking even more money or find a new revenue stream, they will not be around in the future and the drivers will be getting 0% of $0 while commuters go back to paying much larger amounts to taxi cabs like they used to.

@@BlackMarketBaby are you a representative of Uber? Lol Amazon has been doing the same thing for decades now.. doesn’t mean Jeff Bezos hasn’t profited wildly from it. P.S. the market cap of uber is over 100B what’s your response to that? Noone profited from that?😂

YAWN.......No onw forces people to drive for UBER and no one forces you to use UBER

@@MrBadjohn69 can you go be useless to society to somewhere else? Where do y’all crawl out of? I get you’re a non-factor and won’t be able to comprehend the impact Fortune 500 companies have on employment, economics, antitrust practices, and law/legislation - potential white collar crime as significant as this is a huge issue that companies get away with exploiting their workforce that need the labor and put the company on their backs - but why can’t people like you just go sit down since there’s no added value? If simple things like this go over your head - the most you can contribute is to not get in the way

It’s always been criminal. We just live in a world where humans are simply too dumb and submissive to fight any systems that exploit them, instead they settle for it while crying that they’re being exploited. There are more followers in this world than leaders.

@@MrBadjohn69 Exactly, quit if it's so bad.

Come to norway, this is a normal monday

You were working bad I think, because, in my case, with 15$ of gas I could get more. But I remember at first when I started and I knew anything, in Doordash it was how you say. Because I used to take those bad unfair orders of 2-4 dolars. And I had not money even for gas. But later I went listening podcast about delivery, and I learned that I was working wrong. So, I have three years in the delivery, my numbers are better but of course they are not perfect. For the reasons that are said in the video. 😢

Corporate Greed at its finest - they're already planning to replace drivers with robot taxi's like Waymo and Cruise.

Remember to factor in vehicle depreciation as well.

Don’t do it then . I’d you hate it. You choose to stay

@@chrism340iExactly. They didn’t screw anyone over. Dude chose to partake and then says he got screwed over 😂

I drive in the same area .. Romulus by airport and Ann Arbor … airport rides pay the best I try to catch the airport to Ann Arbor or from Ann Arbor to airport usually $25-$35 for those rides

is it worth it considering the wear and tear on your car? The engine must go over 300k miles a year? I'd be afraid of having to buy a new car each year.

@@WayneBraackno where near 300k more like 50-75k but no it is no longer worth it per the video

People, it is called competition. The more drivers join Uber the more competition among themselves and therefore the reduction in your pay, just like any other profession or job that has excess offers. Just get another job, nobody is pointing a gun at anybody to be an Uber driver

I have no sympathy for them. They can get better jobs than driving for these parasites, and that's ALL rideshare platforms..

Issue is most will climb over all of their Co workers to get ahead even in a, “union”

@@IL_Bgentyl Speak for yourself, not everyone else.

@@IL_Bgentyltell that to the UAW silly

I mean people do have a choice. Unlike traditional employment/provider, user on both side are less held hostage to their business model. I've always kept taking actual taxi even after the proliferation of ride share. You don't get to vote for them with your wallet and then complain about the consequence.

@@IL_Bgentyl that sort of behavior arises *because* working conditions are so bad, it's not necessarily our nature

Seize the means of transportation.

Why so many millions just to do that job though Thats robbery The regular workers pay should make sense in comparison to those numbers

Yes this is why they have to steal from drivers and pax

Drivers are being exploited BIG TIME; measures must be taken to hold Uber and Lyft accountable.

God forbid they lower their income for the betterment of the people.

Yes, Agreed!!!

Heads up: the founder of Uber (who stole the whole concept from a small biz owner) has a brother who's in Congress! This is likely how they've gotten away with operating a taxi company while pretending to be an app 🧐! kzfaq.infoODoQBzd9Mos?si=QDaE8aoDdgumfOXp

Yep

Facts. They. Take ten dollars in fees and give the driver 2 of that lol taking 80% of the fees lol

It is

Meh..... doing both. I notice customers tip at least double the amount for their food compared to personal delivery. The lack of extra person in the car is completely different for insurance. Oh and the lack of conversation with the food is added security... people talk about some odd stuff. Omg and don't get me started on how people scratch up my car with their luggage or throwing up if their drunk!

I do fine in nj made 300 plus today using both apps

How many miles did you drive and what is your car insurance and gas price

Many Uber drivers in nj don't go to New York.

As long as our elected representatives accept campaign donations from lobbyists or PACS from these and most companies, it will be business as usual. In other words, the rich get richer and the working class get the picture!

Recently asked the same thing… wow!!

I've been taking Uber and lyft to work and home 5 days a week for 7 months. So 10 rides a week. Every time I asked a driver what percentage of the fare they get, every single time I got a different answer. And that's fckn crazy to me nobody really knows. I can ask every employee at my job what they make an hour, a day, a week, and a year....and every single one can give me a clear answer.

@@JoseLopez-tk4tq correct. However as a people the citizens elected those officials. Take this mess back to Regan-trickle down economics. The laws are written so all those pockets can get lined. The corporations run the government.

they usually take at least half..

Not to mention race

Not true, they just tip better

@@ambidex5383 they don't tip better!!!

That's why some trips I refuse because if the distance or trip isn't worth it to me I ignore it!! That's why I'm no longer a full time rideshare driver..I have met customers who are my personal customers and they pay very well so I'm gained more!

There are a couple reasons for that. The biggest one being demand. Low income areas have much higher demand due to more people overall, and less people with a car. The other big factor is safety. Especially at night, drivers do not want to drive in areas considered dangerous, so lyft/uber create a surge bonus in those areas to entice drivers there. Of course the riders are paying for that.

If you been with them for seven years then they can’t be that bad. Success in ride share is all about were and when.

​@jbochan57 You guys take 70% the drivers get 30%, did you call that success?

do you want congress to make a law how much mcdonalds charges for a big mac too? if you dont like the price then stop being a customer.

@@SgtJoeSmith What do do for a living troll people online? Issues like this has effect and ruin people’s lives for decades. And people like you who do nothing and say nothing don’t realize your day will come.Your not welcome to reply

@josephhunterel9545 I give people 6 figure jobs. Problem is I can't fill any of the 100,000 jobs globally I have for last 20 years cause everyone is too lazy and stupid and just want to be a nick her doing nick her jobs like this. So saying I do nothing to help is the biggest lie ever told. I spent and lost millions trying to help and wasted 20 years of my life.

Just make ur own app. And uber is pretty much how the chinese operate. You taking jobs from an automated system

I don’t think not accepting drops your rating

Time to get a job that doesn’t cost you gas money all day long. Why would you sign up for such a job when you can work at a restaurant and not have to spend gas the entire day

@@andy_182I think your competing apples to oranges here when you compare Uber and a restaurant.

@@MOMO-m0m0 if you work for uber, you shouldnt be complaining when they screw you over. theres a million other jobs that are easy to get and make more $

Most ppl make 150-180 a day

@@andy_182 yeah start working at a restaurant and they make me dishwasher? no thank you. I get what you're saying and i agree, but when a restaurant manager sees your resume has rideshare on it at all, you're getting the mop. It would be better to find work in the transportation field, like a bus driver or amazon delivery, those jobs don't cost gas.

In fact the whole acceptance rate and cancelation rate should not even exist period, I am a private contractor I reject what I want and cancel what I want and Uber should not hold any metric on that, in fact when I have complain about crappy fares like yesterday $8 dollars for 8 mile trip that I took where they charge the PASSANGER $18, their excuse is that I accepted the trip that I could decline it and that they pay me what we agree on. What we need is up front fare state wise that shows how much the PASSANGER is paying and how much we get vs Uber.

In my area in India, the drivers do this, they refuse to turn on AC, very badly maintained cars, they don’t come to the exact pickup point, and they want all cash. It’s very annoying for customers. Instead of standing up to Uber, they go about harassing customers. Due to this, I have now opted to use public transports or local taxi services more often. It’s a very bad business model of Ubers.

You right! Doordash even block me because I never accepte those $3 delivery.

Exactly

DoorDash was forced to stop the practice of cutting access to the app if a driver fell below a certain acceptance rate. Now they use the same acceptance rate to penalize drivers by saying if you don’t keep your AR above 70%, you’ll only get trash orders and less offers 🎉

None of them cover your car. This is peak exploitation, the driver takes all of the risk, and the company gets all of the reward.

Actually, I wish I could find a way to pay cash to the drivers without Uber finding out.

The app could tell when I got in an accident by doing the same thing and the app said we can help so I filled out their little form and then they deactivated me and didn't pay me anything

​@@dustinduzgames1276😮

you have no idea what you are talking about. UBER provides COMMERCIAL INSURANCE for every driver if they want to purchase it. it costs me about 10 cents for each ride. it would cost me $2,000/month if I went out and bought my own policy. so, stfu when you are ignorant of what you are talking about. if the moron is out driving around engaging in a commercial activity without commercial insurance then he is a fool and deserves to have a crunched up car and now he is walking@@nwatson2773

I am asking that question from every passenger I get and I'm actually getting them to do cash deals with me if they need a ride in the future. They'll save money and I'll make more money.

You are an accomplice.

Terrible

Uber is paying me 17 dollars hourly for delivering groceries I am being robbed by Uber Nuts right and don't show your tip money before you take the delivery Nuts

they gave you the customer. figure orutp what you are dooing and do it better. it's freedom you want to complain to your boss go work at McDonald's. I simply call my Filipinos in uber Dimond support and they usually cheer me up if I get any crummy riders. like fat people who can't wash under there folds of stlkin .

The reporter is really cute.

there is no way you made 20k from uber/lyft alone and owed 4k in taxes, you must have had other income

​​@@tomodiero7524 *After expenses. I'm sure a full-time ride share driver puts a lot of wear on their vehicle and needs a reliable unlimited mobile data plan...needs vehicle and health insurance.

So drivers only get 40% of the fare from an Uber/Lyft ride back? That is sad, and lower than I thought it'd be.

Same here I drive in new york (not the city) and they generally take 60-70% on average.

I've been receiving $4 deliveries upwards of 13 miles all day, haven't taken a single one. It says "25 minutes" but not only is that 13 miles one way, making 80% of that $4 for gas, but its to a restaurant notorious for 20+ minute waits.

That driver fatigue aint no joke...I have IBS...so its double...truck drivers do drugs to drive so much.

Why are you still driving?

need the money@@tboneups

8 years part time here as well, and yes, I miss the days of old. Used to be easy to make more than what it cost to operate. Tough to do now, and if it weren't for tips, I don't think I could make it happen.

@@davidwalker6438 agreed 👍 stay strong bro

@@user-vq1ne6es5mConcord!

@@user-vq1ne6es5m Do you know how much a taxi license costs in a major city like mine? It's not possible. Basically, the gig economy route to viable self employment is a red herring. Either a constructed lie, or a mirage........

Seattle, outside of NYC, is the best paying city in the US. If it seems bad there, just imagine everywhere else

Sorry to hear that. Suggestion: Track how many miles you are driving for them so you can calculate how much you are being paid per mile. The IRS reimbursement rate is $.65 per mile. That might be your break even (hard to say...).

A lot.

Exactly

couldn't. But yes.

Both Uber and Lyft doesn't pay dividends on their shares... think about it

@@amzagiovannithey haven’t turned a profit until 2023 so unlikely any dividends would be paid while losing money every year but there are a ton of companies who don’t pay dividends.

This is what it all comes down to. A company cannot take a “minor” loss in profits in an investor driven market. Because any loss means investors will drop, leading to inevitably greater loss. It’s the myth of “perpetual growth” that keeps driving inflation up year after year

Door dash is the worst, too. It's a crime...

serious question - why log in to an app if you don't want to do it? Was someone making you do that? Or did you choose it yourself? The stick in bike wheel meme comes to mind on this one

Former driver too. Sometimes I would get ride requests that seemed way too far for way too little and I would reject it. Then the same request would come thru a minute later with a little extra added. Uber could absolutely pay a fair wage but they are more interested in their stock price skyrocketing 100% in the past year then the well being of the employees who make their company money.

True

@@truth.speaker I quit DD after 1 months. If u want to hear why, we have to do this 1:1. Why Lyft. I have a healthcare Master degree from Europe which doesn't get accepted in the States. I use Lyft to make some income to b able to live and get to know the area better:) but driving 11 Mi for $6 and ur costumer pays $21? Feels out of control. They apologize that they won't tip, because Lyft charged already a ridiculous amount... Understandable

When I first started 8 years ago, the cleaning fee was 250 dollars. That's down to 125 dollars now.

Great ldea

yes, but what comes with that is the lack of security. Customers use Uber because of the safety factor.. this is the USP advantage Uber promotes i.e. tracking of the rides and cutting out any issues relating to money owed.

Breach of contract. Steal ubers customers while under contract, and now you owe for damages. Terrible suggestion.

​@@michaelmajek5190no they don't. People been using oj and Gipsy cabs for years😂😂😂that's to keep the population in fear of other resources

@@509McGavin Is it a breach of contract if the customer does it themselves?

Exactly

Es por eso que sale más barato tener los dos apps ubər y liyft para que salga más baratos, para que los precios compitan

Compiten entre los dos

Working mostly weekend nights, most of my passengers are from out of town, or have been drinking. Car rental prices are through the roof, and you don't want to have people driving under the influence. Taxis were open for the taking because they are extremely unreliable, many drivers have a poor driving record, and they charge 3x what uber does.

its more dangerous for the driver on a scale, numbers wise, passengers just think thats the way it is because of a false stigmatism on drivers and the passenger mentality, its all psychological, and actually when its not surging the rides are priced way to cheap, to trick passengers into thinking this is good at the expense of the driver, theres no way of knowing if the passenger is sitting back there knowing there getting a free ride or doesnt know time and distance, hmmmm this ride cost me 5 bucks to go 2 miles, how it the hell is the driver getting more than 5 of not less, hmmm maybe the company is paying them more....ummmm no that would mean they are burning there own money to get u a free ride as an incentive to pay more than what u paid, which appens sometimes, but most of the time the driver gets 3 maybe 2.25 of the 5, and that for any distance ratio....its all in my comment above

Public awareness can only do so much. These corporations of America have a vice grip on everything with their lobbyists, and their shady deals and partnerships. It's time to take down corporate America and their lobbyists. We can't depend on politicians from the Republican Party or Democratic Party both parties are damn near owned by corporations due to huge donations to their campaigns

Drivers aren’t “fighting” this. There’s thousands of drivers going back out on the road everyday and more and more are signing up for the job. No one is going on a strike. No one is changing any laws. They obviously pay enough to keep the drivers coming back so that’s all that matters. A couple people complaining online isn’t fighting. On top of that, it’s not unfair what they’re doing. Any driver has the freedom to stop driving if they choose, but guess what, they don’t. Probably because they are being payed enough to keep them as an employee.

@@michaelslifecycleIt’s extremely illogical and unreasonable what their doing. They are using the economic collapse to their advantage. That is a form of oppression and extortion to the drivers and customers. That maintenance mileage and wear and tear on the vehicle they don’t consider. Soon all will submit to equity or they will never see life again. There is a great King that sits high and is getting ready to cripple and summon all Nations. These sharks don’t have much more time to swim. As the Kingdom of heaven is nigh.

@@michaelslifecycle you've clearly never looked into this at all, lol. there are many organizations led by drivers, including CDU (ct drivers united), for example. I gave a testimony along with many others to our state legislature and we had a bill passed. it's a slow struggle with a lot of pushback but it's really sad that because of that, folks such as yourself remain ignorant (not your "fault", just that you don't know bc of lobbying, & other cover-ups, distractions etc) to what's happening.

furthermore, we're in a digital age and as these are digital platforms, online testimony and speaking out in this way *does* matter and make a huge impact.

Facts.

You love it

True story I drive 10 hrs a day, 7 days a week SMH getting tired of they ass

i change oil on lawnmowers at home for $150 an hour. I am crying for your bad life choices. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

​@@SgtJoeSmithyou sound like a MAGA 🫏 Don't care for other Americans.