ducks to be me, cuz I'll be the type to purposely fuck them over for a day off😂👍

Yea, try reading up a bit about how printing works and you'll see how deep this cave is :D I study graphic design at a more technical oriented uni (my faculty is a branch of one), so we had to study all the little technicalities of the trade. And man are there many of them, from how you get millions of colours by using 4 base ones by rasterizing, or how all the complicated machinery manages to make thousands of copies an hour while still precisely printing billions of micrometer sized points on the paper.

you spend 30 years in a building your gunna learn every single part eventually

Metalpug79 Imagine their job security and bargaining abilities

rootbro I definitely get where you're coming from. I wish they'd have a little more class than that, but at the same time I can understand why they're like that. Obviously feeling the pressure of being backed into a corner. They know their jobs are crawling to the end. I think it's natural to be defensive when you know the end is just around the corner

what were his other jobs?

Industrial Mechanic buddy. That is a good place to work, but the industry is good - and when shit goes down at the factory its like we go to war together. Sometimes big hours, paid well, forced to use your mind to solve problems. In Canada where I work, employers involved in resource extraction pay very well.

I worked with welders and printers. For the most part you have your loud, drunks and then you have these guys. Mixed bag

I'm a CNC machinist and we're a thinning breed for sure. Many old great war dogs leaving the industry and few young guys like me getting into it

@@jakepat8603 What's the money like?

@@HashimAziz1 not great. But it's liveable. We're underpaid and overworked. I do it because I love it. But managerial problems are more why I wanna get out of this trade

do you work at a printing facility too? :)

Brian Yes I run the copy center for a big private company and sometimes to save time from calling a tech I do my owning fixing.

OUtkast19782007 That's kind of cool. Do you need some kind of engineering degree in order to work on those machines and know what every part of them does? Also, where do you learn those things about those big printing machines? Are there books about that, or is every machine very different than the other and depends on the manufacturer?

That's nice :) i work with printing machines aswell but those are smaller ones and called inkjet printer all digital..

B V shut it down, the New York SLIMES is Overrated, Save the Trees!

Yep, it's a lost art, my grandfather is a press repairman and he loves it, sad that it is slowly getting phased out, but because so little people even know this job exists he usually travels across the world. Anywhere from Anaheim CA to Argentina in South America, or even Moscow Russia. It takes a special type of person to be willing to work in this field.

Maybe pride in what you do is completely gone, but definitely don't say american's don't take pride in their work. Try talking to any american who works in military, manufacturing, cargo, construction, business, or anything else and I guarantee you'll find proud ass people. You're comment shows how little you know about the american working class. Snarky prick.

Yeah, I agree but I just get the feeling that all of this under appreciation and underpaid stuff has paved the road for workers to much easily lose that pride they might of once had.

You most likely have a well paid job of YOUR choice have been having it for a few years now. You probably don't have a job you were forced to take because it was your last option. Do you think someone in manufacturing that is currently being forced out of work by American companies would live each day with lots of pride or would live each day in fear? Im sure it's fear buddy. When a person is forced to change jobs often they usually don't have a big sense of pride in what they do like workers had in the 60's 70's and 80's. Every worker was appreciated for their skills and what they brought to the company and hence the workers stayed there for years and had that chance to develop that sense of pride. Example, the workers in this video who have been working for NYT for over 20 years. Now go ask a McDonalds, Walmart, Target, employee if they have pride in what they do given how disposable and under appreciated they are by the companies.

Yes, people who work really really hard are proud of what they do. In jobs like McDonalds, where the consequences of failure are not falling planes, breaking bridges, lost wars, etc, why should those positions be equivalent?

Andrew West I'm not saying that a job at mcdonalds should be equivalent to, for example, a job at Lockheed Martin. What I am saying is that once you allow one sector of the work force to be under appreciated by the companies in that sector, like an infection, it quickly spreads to other sectors of the work force. So, when you once were a valued worker (even earning minimum wage) in the 80s, now in most industries you're just disposable, employee number 497 in the excel spread sheet. The American worker isn't at fault obviously, the people responsible for this are the American companies for losing respect for their workers and the Government for being so complacent.

Dragon Butt email me: Jason.koebler@vice.com, that sounds really interesting

bam! 224th

MrFishbone111 Where do you recommend getting one's news?

www.theonion.com/

MrFishbone111 I agree, fuck the mainstream media.

ColindaPieman I mean who sit and read new York times

well they arent blk

Wish came true. The downside is that their struggles are being used by the international and domestic left to gain more clout in the political arena. Pros and cons to everything, huh? 🤷🏻‍♂️

clusterguard my grandpa owned a small printing press! Such an awesome environment.

you bet, man! the printing world was fantastic (still is) and a bortherhood, too! You know what I mean! Cheers and Merry-Xmas!!

Well, if you like being dirty, I did it for 20 years. No white anything , sheets, towels ink in your car, hair..........

How about the place keep working until they're ready to retire or move to a better job... Yeah?

Ethan P no, new yorkers who care about what they do really do go all in

Radical Edwards Yeah I didn't mean to generalise, But even when they don't like there is something there that you don't find here. But NY is a brand too so I think that perpetuates how they view and talk about their city

Ethan P the one who don't care really don't, you should see what the Verizon guy done in my house!!

Radical Edwards Shit, Again didn't mean to generalise, Just what I've seen in comparison to where I live. Sorry about your house

Great observation. I think the same about New Yorkers and how they approach there Work life. They take pride and have integrity in what they do. I think those characteristics and work ethics run deep from the old days of the early immigrants that came to this country. Especially in the blue collar workforce. Hard work, loyalty, respect, camaraderie, trustworthy, things almost absent in today’s society.

"Disposable Society" - yes our entire society is certainly disposable, just throw it all away. Get a new one. :P Not the best wording. ;)

Motherboard Going on eBay to buy parts I have manufactured parts for GOSS graphics for the past 30 years no need for eBay anymore www.sbtgears.co.uk

Why insult our entire society and say it's disposable? Why can't y'all make a video without taking snarky bashes at society? Really pretentious stuff. Repair only happens on the margins of society? What? So when my gutter busts ill buy a new house? Instead of changing my cars oil filter i buy a new car every 3500 miles? Ditch my cellphone the day it cracks? Oh right that's why everybody abandoned New Orleans when Katrina hit, right? Because the average folks in our society are just such throwaway zombies? Everyday people all over the place are fixing everything around them, sounds like the Motherboard writer's are who don't do their fair share of wrench twisting haha.

Motherboard they're kings of New York

Learn fucking english you morons

How much it paid?

It depends where you live. In Ontario, Canada full rate for licenced ndustrial maintenance personnel (millwrights and electricians) ranges from around $30-$40 CAD/hour. Some people make a little more or a little less than that. There is often lots of opportunity for overtime as well, because often major maintenance projects can only take place when the plant isn't running.

nah bro i don't do piss tests - i'll just stick with making money from anywhere with internet

I'm 28. Went from driving a forklift in a print factory to being hired as an electrical maint apprentice couple years ago, very thankful for the opportunity to be part of the crew.

Im 20 and I've been working as a manufacturing engineer through my university at a John Deere assembly plant in Canada. I get to work real close with technicians (machinists/trades) and get to learn all that they know to help make the future of machinery better. Coolest of the cool work in my opinion, pays nice too. If you're good at school and can really put in the challenging long hours to get to this place I'd say its the way to go.

Nicolas Vo Um what makes you think that? If sounds nothing like Koyannisqutsi. It may be Glass-esque but not anything from the life out of balance trilogy.

@@nedisahonkey I concur. That's certainly a Glass inspired move though

Donnelly’s?

The NYT's actually a very respectable paper. Propaganda? Hardly. And I'm a republican.

thanks, gonna try it :)

Great quote!

Amen! I read the article which reminded me so much of Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance that I got back to reading it! Thanks, man :D

@Tapirus Sbrabous Having been a toolmaker and manufacturer for over 50 years, I can understand your disappointment. At the end of my work day I can look at something which didn't exist just hours ago. Many of the parts that I make are of stainless steel, and I get some private satisfaction knowing that some of these pieces will still exist somewhere hundreds of years from now. Petty, maybe---but it still gives me a buzz.

Shut Up!

Not really dying, There's always something to fix. Doesn't have to be a printing press.

The direct knowledge of fixing 90s printing equipment was what I was referring to.

They're millrights plenty of em around

@@RhynoPhreak correct..i have the Heidelberg QM 46 components, gears, chains, rollers, pressure settings burned in my memory from a decade of printing and fixing. All digital now..not the same.

You forgot, a waste of natural resources.

You care more about some trees than recycled paper that defends your right to free speech?

Google made me do it there are renewable sources of paper. Such as straw.

Setting color is learned, can't be taught, you get a feel for it

Weareallbeingwatched Never knew they made paper from straw?

BlueSuzy millwright or maintenance technician is what they’d be called in the USA. A machinist not the correct title for this video at all. I’m very surprised no people are commenting this.

Chunk chunk chunk chunk chunk.

FirstThirtyMinutes blue lives dont matter

It sounds like a money counter

FirstThirtyMinutes o

Omg hi FTM

doodelay Exactly what I was thinking..so proud and happy for their work..amazing

Well jobs can have intrinsic rewards (pride, challenge, purpose, flow)that reduce the amount of extrinsic (money, perks, etc.) compensation required to find someone willing to do the job. That's why teachers and social workers don't make anywhere close to their societal value in monetary terms, because the intrinsic benefits are, theoretically, enough to make up the difference (of course in practice its often a soul sucking job most of the time and idealists end up burning out). The reverse is also true, i.e. investment banking pay doesn't start at 120k a year because it takes a genius to do it, because its literally just simple arithmetic in excel + powerpoint 99.99% of the time. IB pays so much because the job itself is so meaningless people wouldn't do it without making enough to numb the pain with cocaine and hookers.

their paid well because the knowledge they hold is not something that can be replaced in a typical training course. same reason a good painter bodyman or mechanic gets paid over 100k a year

outer the whole company 3 i bet they dont wotk much

Doodelay Explains Either that, or they simply take pride in their work. Not many people do that anymore.

As a mechanic I really enjoyed this video thinking I share a lot in common with these guys. There are some parts that I have to get creative with in order to repair.

Real men who keep the fake liberal news moving

Khu NoPie what the fuck is it with you? Have you not read history or something. How can you write such a comment without your shame preventing you from posting it?

Sebastian Köhler Öberg the NY Times prints Liberal propaganda. That's FAKE NEWS son. Wake UP son.

Khu NoPie People with half a brain filter out that liberal slant and form their own opinions. They're not like the boomers who watch Fox News and take it as fact.

I guess you enjoy reading garbage

No that's you dude

so many times they got caught spreading lies and misinformation, sorry but you are what you read

cringe

Don Dan can you give some examples of times when the NYT has reported objective lies? And not editorials either because editorials are just subjective opinions.

Saleem Says the guardian was smart making that online transition

You are fucking moron. Democracy needs a free press and the NYT is one of the best in the business. When the press dies, so does democracy.

@@adsensedd Free press?? It is owned by Carlos Slim the Mexican billionaire, and the editorial policy is hard line left wing all of the time, every day. There is nothing democratic or politically balanced about it. It's basically an information outlet for only one segment of the political spectrum. That's not news, that's propaganda.

Robertt Avro the nyt has fantastic journalism and when looked at objectively only skews slightly liberal. If you want objective news and reporting then you need to go somewhere like Reuters or the associated press or NPR or the Wall Street journal all of which are highly objective and accurate sources of information. The press is the enemy of tyrannical governments, not the people, free press exists to report what is really happening to the people. Don't let government officials trick you into thinking otherwise

@@maxkordon Sorry Max, I disagree with that statement. I find the NYT to be pushing a far left wing "narrative" that never ends. Stories like that one from a few days back entitled "Maybe They are all Just Bad People" in reference to right wingers is typical of the intolerant ideologues who now write for them. They may have been a trustworthy and balanced news source in the past, but no more. It's a form of leftist propaganda imo, not news.

There is a time when we don't have toilet paper and wallpaper. Newspaper is a clever usefull paper. You can read, make a toy from it, clean Your ass, place to wall, make a fire with it and so on... Do all this with digital news :)

Mauro Tamm How would that help? A few thou is about one hundredth of a mm. Measurement standards aren't what's hurting this industry and furthermore, it's pretty easy to just do conversions in your head.

Mauro Tamm Dude just stop. You're clueless

I've measured bearings down to a ten thousandth of an inch, units do matter so much as the skill of the person doing the measuring

most equipment they are working with are most likely in imperial. no reason to change it other than being elitist.

Mauro Tamm no it won't

Steve Keller My point exactly.

this is very tru my dads a cnc machinest and tool & die maker

same here I make tooling

some people above in the comments were saying that they are actually millwrights as opposed to machinists

Murtagh653 that is precisely what they are. didn't know the term for it.

98raza20 it would be but they're not machining anything. they would have definitely shown that if they were

I work with these guys we are not millwrights. we are MACHINIST whole different skill level here.

and what skill level is that? lathe operation? CNC programming? knowledge of metals? wildcat is right, these guys do repairs and maintenance on in house machines, which is a millright. I liked this video but i was expecting something entirely different when i read the title.

we use lathe, milling machine, surface grinders, all sorts of boring and broaching,plenty of knowledge of metals for shafting and the maching of brackets that we are un able to get through the manufactures. bearing heaters honing of bores, hand scraping indian heads. indicating motors and drive shafts on high speed equipment. I can go on for hours on what we do.

Exactly, they are millwrights. Jack of all trades. Millwrights are trained to maintain and repair equipment as well as manufacture one off parts with manual lathes and milling machines. We troubleshoot electrical, pneumatic and hydraulic systems. We maintain precision systems such as steam and natural gas turbines. We weld and are expected to understand metallurgy. A machinist does none of the maintenance and overall tasks carried out by these craftsmen on a daily basis. However, the trade system in America has little recognition for one of the oldest trades out there.

Scott Coffey a machinist is a person who works with lathes, milling machines, surface grinders and various other metal shaping machines. Usually located in a shop. These guys are clearly millwrights. They are responsible for the health of the various machines around the New York Times.

USA calls them (fitter) machinists. Canada calls them Millwrights. Some commonwealth countries call them Fitters, or maintenance fitters. They are essentially all Industrial Mechanics. Good trade, I'm proud to have it.

they are not machinists. it's not the right term for the work. they are maintenance mechanics. All they do is maintain machines, respond to issues, and swap parts and make sure everything is running to spec. at no point are they machinists machining parts.

"All they do is maintain machines, respond to issues, and swap parts and make sure everything is running to spec." There is alot more to the job than that, I wish it was that easy. What if maintenance planner fucks up and there aren't any spares in stock / if there OEM is out of business. Sometimes its better to machine/fabricate a part than to order one in. Then the maintenance fitter needs a whole new skill set tig/stick/mig welding or depending on the job machine a part from stock or reverse engineer a worn part because there aren't any drawings of it. They work in thousandths of an inch(thou) so they would likely have surface/cylindrical grinders in their shop which can be a whole other level of nightmarish stress if your working in hundreds of a millionth of an inch. A maintenance fitter has the skills of at least three trades to get the job done

Kenny CanHe I know, you must have not seen my original comment and no reason why you should have seen it. I said that I have been a maintenance mechanic doing exactly as they are doing but on CNC machines, and I am an actual machinist now and my every day tolerance is 50 millionths so a thou is a mile in my world. I did say that if they didn't have a part to replace something like a shaft and they went on a lathe and a mill to make it, or welded a broken part back together and machine it back to spec then they would in fact be machinists. but at no point did they say that they machine parts. they're calling themselves machinists because they make machines run smooth.

You know. Sometimes words in the English language can have more than one meaning.... And some words are used differently depending on the people.

it's like calling a Phillips screwdriver a "star" screwdriver... I've been a machinist and I've also worked at an envelope factory as an adjuster/mechanic after that... completely different jobs... there are also "millwrights" which is a machinist that can also work on boilers/electric etc... takes four years of being an apprentice/going to school to be a "machinist" here, another four to become a millwright or a tool & die maker... the job above requires none of that... as long as you're a bit handy with tools, anyone could do it...

yeah, these dudes aint machinists

RumpLeINtiLINsKinnIN it's like calling a car washer a mechanic...

ma·chin·ist məˈSHēnəst/ noun "a person who operates a machine, especially a machine tool." "a person who makes or repairs machinery." google is your friend.

definitely shopped...

Deandre Chitay bruh

gee sorry

i still read on paper. much soft for the eye

my fireplace still uses lots of newspapers

I mean just rubber gloves come on dude what are you trying to prove ruining your skin?

I can't speak for this machinery, but I know that maintenance workers for some precision equipment don't wear gloves because disposable ones are to fragile(even 9mm ones quickly stretch too thin and may shred) and non-disposable ones are too rigid, not to mention lower tangibility ...If nothing else the NYT must cut costs

Mike West this motherboard not vice

Just like your saturn is a gm product.

more like Chrysler in the FCA. that's a fairer comparison

@@Suburbanhotrods Motherboard is part of Vice

Machinists make parts mechanics assemble them get the shit right

just as I was saying. not sure why theyre calling themselves what they're not. maybe liberals just have everything backwards.

this is a democrat oriented paper aye? sry european

No you're talking about New York Post.

lee cook you said it. the times looks pretty, just like the machinists said at the end of the video. until you start reading the words they printed.

Well as processes become more complicated, repairmen will die out. Let's take the new Audis for example. It breaks the warranty if you lift the grid plate off the engine because of "high voltage" lines running along it. All diagnostics are performed by a computer and repairs will occur in specialized repair facilities. Where do you take your electric or hybrid car to get it fixed? Not to any mechanic. I'm not exactly supporting this direction of events but it's surely the future. Some plumbing systems and HVAC system use incredibly complicated Building Automation Systems. Sure you can replace the fan blades but most of the troubleshooting is done by specialized technicians on failed network connections. I really love guys like these ones. I work with them now in the electrical train industry but they won't be there in the future. It makes me sad but it's just the way of the world at this point.

Seth Jones i am in the field of hvac, Refrigeration, and bms system. in order to gain efficiency everything is electronic now. it's just like when you switch from carburetor to efi to obd 1 and then to obd2. i have a chiller that think it's freezing up when it's actually not. why? because the programmer map the alarm to the wrong path. all of them. i rather work on the older unit add they're more simple. i don't think my company could justify the training cost of the more modern machines as we don't have any of it. this such as trans critical co2 refrigeration, liquids bromide system, etc etc.

Seth Jones i am in the field of hvac, Refrigeration, and bms system. in order to gain efficiency everything is electronic now. it's just like when you switch from carburetor to efi to obd 1 and then to obd2. i have a chiller that think it's freezing up when it's actually not. why? because the programmer map the alarm to the wrong path. all of them. i rather work on the older unit add they're more simple. i don't think my company could justify the training cost of the more modern machines as we don't have any of it. this such as trans critical co2 refrigeration, liquids bromide system, etc etc.

Journeyman Reefer yeah, but OBDII gives you tons of diagnostic data quickly and efficiently. I n some ways, working on an OBDII equipped car is easier than an old ore OBDI car because it will tell you up front what everything is doing. Back in the 1970's you needed a huge piece of diagnostic equipment to measure only a small fraction of what modern scanners can do. Working on pre OBDI cars is an art form. You can get a tune up done by ear and feel. That requires experience younger techs don't have. OBDI is for me the hardest to deal with. Nothing was standardized between manufacturers. The scanner equipment designed to work with OBDI required lots of adapters and it's all obsolete and hard to find. Nobody at my shop has the scan tools to deal with OBDI because we don't get enough customers that daily drive a car older than 1996.