I agree. But the 4000 finish does bring it down a bit. But put 2000 and it really shines imo hence it should up up further.

In the US Open after day 2 tackett said he went from ghost to venom to primal sooo the primal was the step down after the Venom started hooking to early Said the primal was cleaner

@@dewittfiala5021 Did he say what his layout and surface finish was? Those will control the delta between the 2 balls.

@@TamerBowling no he didn’t and your absolutely right! But it was interesting how he was using one as an earlier ball and the “stronger on paper” ball as the cleaner step down

@@dewittfiala5021 I would say as he moved farther in he switched to the primal to get more boards covered.

Thanks! Are they a bit different? Yes. Is there room in the bag? Imo only if you have different surfaces to separate the use case. Primal to me is mid control that could be strong control with surface. Pride was kind of on the fence of strong control and mid control. So imo yeah quite a bit of overlap. Pride is a bit more even shape on the lane vs the Primal.

@@TamerBowling Thank you sir I appreciate it.

Really depends on what else you have. Phaze II or Zen Soul are in the same strength category imo.. Then the Primal would be a step down.

and all are good options in terms of good backend with less burnup.

Any further right and it wouldn’t hold.

@@TamerBowling Not sure I agree. Like, look at his shot at 6:45. He crosses 15 at the arrows, barely gets to 7 downlane, and it comes up lazy. Next shot at 6:50, he crosses 15 at the arrows again, but gets the ball to 4-5 downlane, and it explodes back. That's the line he should have been on. Everything else just looked fluffy and weak in comparison.

Layout is in the beginning of the video

I drilled it identical to my venom shock which is “up” but Honestly I feel like I could’ve benefitted more having it “down” with a wider val angle. It’s surprisingly angular. It will depend on condition. A shorter or higher friction pattern may benefit from down.

For your game the primal might be a more “continuous” shock. That may make it appear more angular but the difference is pretty subtle.

It all depends on layout, style and pattern. Universally, the primal will break somewhat earlier and somewhat harder and hit somewhat weaker than the shock with the same bowler, layout, pattern and line. The shock is going to be marginally less over-under on friction

​@@TamerBowling So... Got to throw it tonight and... Now ur way smarter than me and knowledgeable about this stuff... But i feel like this ball was underestimated... Could be a weird personal thing or a layout thing... BUT THIS IS THE MOST ANGLE I'VE EVER GOTTEN OUT OF A BALL. This ball was also longer than i expected and i think im gonna drop it to 3000. This ball made the venom shock look like a urethane in shape. Once i figure this ball out... This is gonna be fun lol. Love your reviews though and ur approach to making this videos. The 3 different bowlers and ball motions etc.

@@MotivGuy94 Sometimes a formula just matches someone better and makes it feel way better so it's great that you like it. Have you resurfaced the Shock lately? The one thing with this cover is it lane shines crazy fast. I like the Venom Shock with 2000 and I constantly have to hit it after every set it's used. I imagine the same will happen with the Primal.

@@TamerBowling so i tried 3000 on the shock but not 2000. 3000 has been great so far. Im for sure dropping the primal to at least 3000 also on the shock the resurface was like... A week ago 2 max

Usually you can extrapolate from the higher rev tester to some extent. Hard to have every style.

I would personally try to make them different not closer. They are close enough as it is. Probably want to change the surface to separate them further

@@TamerBowling Thanks Tamer! Appreciate the feedback, as always. I do currently run my Venom Shock at 2000 as my house shot is pretty heavy... Could then leave the Primal at 4000

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He’s not. It’s just the angle.