Difference Between Manuals Sequential & H-Pattern Dog Box

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@atheosxgaming
@atheosxgaming 6 жыл бұрын
Can a video be made to give good reasoning and explanations that will convince a persons significant other that a new expensive gearbox is both needed, practical and a smart purchase for the family.
@65sgboogieman8
@65sgboogieman8 6 жыл бұрын
Good luck
@overcastfriday81
@overcastfriday81 5 жыл бұрын
That's easy -- if the top gear reduces rpm, that would reduce engine wear, noise and gas consumption. Maybe the other person is smart and says, let's just put in a lower final ratio. The problem there is that many modern cars don't have optional final ratios.
@siraff4461
@siraff4461 5 жыл бұрын
Dual clutch's generally provide more speed and better economy. I would presume the same could be said for a straight cut or dog box since they're more efficient than a normal manual. So not only will it save you money in fuel but it wil also mean you can get places faster which allows more time to spend with the family/better half. Hows that?
@karlallspach5309
@karlallspach5309 5 жыл бұрын
I died when I reread that! Congratulations for reaffirming why I always read the messages!
@VBshredder
@VBshredder 5 жыл бұрын
LOL!! Yeah it's called a jewelry catalog video.
@screwlewse
@screwlewse 5 жыл бұрын
I knew nothing about sequential gearboxes before video. I feel completely comfortable talking about this topic now!
@JDM_Jeffro
@JDM_Jeffro 6 жыл бұрын
This channel is SO underrated. Love the vids. Andrew Hawkins is the MAN!
@MotiveVideo
@MotiveVideo 6 жыл бұрын
thanks mate
@01sidiropoulos
@01sidiropoulos 6 жыл бұрын
Good one man very detailing video keep it up ;-)
@TurboAfterlifeRacing
@TurboAfterlifeRacing 5 жыл бұрын
My daily car has factory straight cut gears, 5 speed with a nice loud cluncky gear change. Never gets old mate.
@ggerely
@ggerely 4 жыл бұрын
Mine too, when reversing :P
@keegyweegy7803
@keegyweegy7803 2 жыл бұрын
which model?
@TurboAfterlifeRacing
@TurboAfterlifeRacing 2 жыл бұрын
@@keegyweegy7803 1999/2000 Toyota Echo manual sedan
@mrsides89
@mrsides89 6 жыл бұрын
Andrew Hawkins; you've been feeding my thirst for car knowledge for the better part of a decade, thank you.
@ponderscythe835
@ponderscythe835 5 жыл бұрын
This video was exactly what I was googling for. The basic of what I wanted to know about all the different manual gearboxes. Presented in a clear and concise manner as well. Well done. Thank you.
@Kroberter
@Kroberter 6 жыл бұрын
Always so well spoken. Barely any uhms even without a script. Excellent production quality as well.
@alexstromberg7696
@alexstromberg7696 6 жыл бұрын
how do you know it isn't a scripts? the script is most likely infront of the camera.
@Kroberter
@Kroberter 6 жыл бұрын
Alex Strömberg it's obvious there is no script.
@alexstromberg7696
@alexstromberg7696 6 жыл бұрын
Kroberter that's called a good script
@Kroberter
@Kroberter 6 жыл бұрын
Alex Strömberg sorry for assuming he was well spoken. I will never do that again, I'm really sorry.
@Sketch1994
@Sketch1994 6 жыл бұрын
A "taller" 1st gear might also be used to downshift in very tight corners instead of trying to crawl out in 2nd to avoid blowing your engine in smithereens with a normal 1st gear.
@Browns553
@Browns553 6 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who doesn’t talk shit!, well done guys! Subbed 🔥
@PureComputers
@PureComputers 3 ай бұрын
Couldn't be a better vid on the topic, not just the explanations but shows each in action!!
@BigWillRacing
@BigWillRacing 3 жыл бұрын
I still come back to watch this video when I need a refresher.
@abdulalawaz5
@abdulalawaz5 6 жыл бұрын
Its great to see PPG, MotiveDVD, and TRC come together and giving us awesome content!
@QuackLoud
@QuackLoud 2 жыл бұрын
Is it just me - I LOVE the sound of a straight cut box! It's like the dry clutch sound of a Ducati. Awesome video and easy to understand. Thanks.
@Drew_peaballs_128
@Drew_peaballs_128 6 жыл бұрын
Very informative! Well done guys!
@nenad8600
@nenad8600 5 жыл бұрын
I remember meeting Andrew when he did a feature on one of mi mates cars for ignition, been around along time mate glad to see you as one of the main faces in this industry, keep on going strong mate well done
@MidNightFreakOZ
@MidNightFreakOZ 2 жыл бұрын
Best video about gearboxes period, was looking for perfectly layed out info like this all day!
@mervynmontague1811
@mervynmontague1811 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. You're the absolute best at explaining simply. I learned so much in a short space of time.
@mrm8712
@mrm8712 3 жыл бұрын
I like that noise of a straight cut gearbox
@MitchFromSyd
@MitchFromSyd 6 жыл бұрын
Andrew thats one of the best explanations ive ever heard for Dog and Syncro gear box's. The more you know!
@Scottishboy-gg8bc
@Scottishboy-gg8bc 5 жыл бұрын
Should have mentioned that a motorcycle cycle gearbox is sequential and dog clutch as a good example of this type of 'box. Like {Kroberter} said below, well spoken.
@turbo6nut
@turbo6nut 2 жыл бұрын
this explains gearboxes very well
@MrAnwazi007
@MrAnwazi007 4 жыл бұрын
Ive been searching for a good explanation of why people call synchro teeth or splines, dog teeth, when they are not the same. This was a great breakdown!
@ReedyCreek28
@ReedyCreek28 6 жыл бұрын
Keep these coming mate, for an internet nerd like me this is pure gold
@robbiomanio
@robbiomanio 6 жыл бұрын
Loved the info and the presentation of it. I suggest to put some less " busy" music under it so one can focus better on the video itself. :)
@oc0dyc
@oc0dyc 6 жыл бұрын
Super well done - dog box was the one I was confused about and it seems like that confusion is because a lot of people use it incorrectly!
@MartinFelix1988
@MartinFelix1988 5 жыл бұрын
Best transmission video on you tube hands down
@spamcan9208
@spamcan9208 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Well made and thought out without getting too detailed. And thank god it's not like others where some guy is rambling.
@theeezypeezy2870
@theeezypeezy2870 6 жыл бұрын
Nothing breaks my heart more than high rpm miss shifts 😅😅
@austinsears1637
@austinsears1637 5 жыл бұрын
OUCHIE-OUCHOUCHOUCH!!!! If you cant find em' Grind em' BurnRubberNotYourSoul!!!
@halolime117
@halolime117 6 жыл бұрын
The noise from straight cuts are not a con, i love the sound!
@Rob-vv5yn
@Rob-vv5yn 5 жыл бұрын
Seen plenty of tuff engined cars with crap gearbox setups, great explanation for the newbie.
@klemen3218
@klemen3218 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, finally get good explanation of gearboxes!
@nickacoutin2505
@nickacoutin2505 5 жыл бұрын
Not that I’ll ever use it but now I know the different type of transmissions. Nice job
@SomervilleMetalWorks
@SomervilleMetalWorks 6 жыл бұрын
Have to point out a straight cut gear is actually weaker than a helical gear. Its just they dont generate axial load which forces to 2 gears aparts and causes teeth to get munched off.
@deveusdude
@deveusdude 6 жыл бұрын
LandRoverLife it's stronger because since 2 teeth are meshing at once instead of 2, more surface area=high load capacity
@SomervilleMetalWorks
@SomervilleMetalWorks 6 жыл бұрын
Peter Donaldson mate you might want to check your facts if size is equal helical gears are stronger because they are longer contact patch because theyre angled. Most straight cut gears replacing helical take up less room therefore can be made larger in same space. Its not to say they're stronger only that bigger teeth are stronger than smaller teeth. Once again my point is that its the axial load that causes helical gears to fail not that they are weaker
@NBSV1
@NBSV1 6 жыл бұрын
The helical gears also have higher parasitic power loss because of the sliding in and out of mesh.
@gordowg1wg145
@gordowg1wg145 6 жыл бұрын
Swings and roundabouts... For the same tooth count, a helical gear is thinner in the loaded direction - approximately 90 degrees to the tooth face helix. A helical gear is point loaded, with a sliding action, whereas a spur/straight cut gear is loaded across the full width of the gear - so it has a higher stress on a smaller load bearing part of the tooth - you can verify that with a simple vector diagram. A helical gear has a higher axial force on the end thrust faces/bearings, which increases with the helix angle, and 'may' increase case loading and distortion. Despite the common misconception (even seen here) there is still a single tooth contact for most of the rotation of the gears, except the very small period when the load is transferred from one pair/set to the next. Where a helical gearbox has a big advantage is in reducing the backlash/chatter/shunting as torque is transferred more smoothly between the loaded teeth as the shafts rotate, which means they are much, much quieter - spur gears can be made relatively quiet ( I have known an instance where it sounded just like any normal helical type - but that was a single example), but the tooth design and manufacturing is expensive as the tolerances and design has to be right.
@sean5comet
@sean5comet 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I was just about to write this.
@joelstatosky1817
@joelstatosky1817 2 жыл бұрын
Good thing I love the loud sound of straight cut gears, I know a lot of people hate them
@learnmyname123
@learnmyname123 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Super informative for the enthusiast thats not an performance technician. Pros and cons layout was superb and just what i was looking for. Thanks.
@stevetassie1207
@stevetassie1207 6 жыл бұрын
very good talker , very easy to understand everything explained really well
@shogunchino2152
@shogunchino2152 5 жыл бұрын
I got a rally inspired 07 ford focus with a straight cut 5 speed from massive speed Racing. Its my Daily driver and my car for scca events. I love my straight cut baby.
@kevincandela1335
@kevincandela1335 5 жыл бұрын
Very inciteful, heard these words tossed around now i am glad i can figure out a little bit more of the car community.
@kerrykalls7732
@kerrykalls7732 6 жыл бұрын
You guys are top notch. Keep it up. The world needs you
@barath4545
@barath4545 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Great information; Not too much not too little and just the right amount of depth on each subtopic.
@alricbrown8007
@alricbrown8007 6 жыл бұрын
Extremely interested to see what you guys do next !!!
@robertd8164
@robertd8164 6 жыл бұрын
love the video and you are so right about how ratios impact not only performance but drivability as well.
@MrTheHillfolk
@MrTheHillfolk 6 жыл бұрын
Robert D Way back in the day, I swapped a 5 speed close ratio in place of a 4 speed in a diesel rabbit. Those things are soooo slow, rated 52hp. Dropped like 5 seconds off the 0-60, felt like a comparison of it picking up 15-20hp. Way over on the other hand, I put a close ratio behind a late model diesel and while it would rip trees out, a buddies stock model was quicker.
@jaredgann7206
@jaredgann7206 4 жыл бұрын
I hate it when you start to get on the car really hard and try to force it in to 3rd and your transmission tells you "no way dude, I'm giving you 5th!". I owned a '92 240sx that was that way.
@mrpsd590
@mrpsd590 6 жыл бұрын
Great speech, sir. Not searching for your words. Marvelous
@boostedmedia
@boostedmedia 6 жыл бұрын
Well done Andrew. Very well explained and excellent footage.
@wuzihuzi
@wuzihuzi 6 жыл бұрын
Been looking for this exact video for ages and finally someone has made one! Cheers guys!
@Edward135i
@Edward135i Жыл бұрын
Andrew, I'd love to see a video like this on popular drag racing automatics as well.
@shythawks9549
@shythawks9549 6 жыл бұрын
8:53...best sound in the world I think. That rally sound
@krispykruzer
@krispykruzer 4 жыл бұрын
crazy knowledge in this video !
@grahamwells4223
@grahamwells4223 Жыл бұрын
Great technical information and very presented!
@derekhaddon4622
@derekhaddon4622 6 жыл бұрын
About time, someone made this video, cheers.
@deejayrelapz6903
@deejayrelapz6903 9 ай бұрын
well executed explanation in short time frame :)
@donmathias1705
@donmathias1705 5 жыл бұрын
Helical gears are always stronger compared to same straight cut gear but generate a side thrust. This is why herringbone gears are used where high loads and tooth velocities are high. Helical gears have a huge advantage is one important area. By changing the helix angle you can produce a mathematically perfect gear. Pitch circles that are thru the middle of teeth instead of on the outer portions. Not having to compramise this aspect is important when many ratios must share the same shaft centres. No point in having an expensive transmission if it has a compromised gear pair.
@tgracing5532
@tgracing5532 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent explaination Mr Hawkins
@justa_dude
@justa_dude 6 жыл бұрын
I'm loving this new segment. Thanks
@bonfusious
@bonfusious 4 жыл бұрын
great video, I learnt heaps
@descent8275
@descent8275 5 жыл бұрын
I just want a long first, 2 3 4 5 close together and then a long 6 for the highway. my dream gearbox for my s13 ca18det 😅
@xxxmikeyjock
@xxxmikeyjock 5 жыл бұрын
my old t5 m7003a uses that idea. hated it and put a .80od gear in it to replace the .63
@marshalcraft
@marshalcraft 5 жыл бұрын
Very cool, think gear ratios is much simpler then people make it out. You basically want, the most granular gear ratios that means more gears as possible, but add's weight as literally more gears jamming into transmission. So like you said, you really don't have to worry about lower ratios cause your not in them ever on race track (except quarter mile). So by making the lower gear very long, you can be more granular on the top end, and that means you have more phases where you can be in the power band or torque band of the engine, and be faster.
@kevinburke6743
@kevinburke6743 3 жыл бұрын
I would have thought a Helical Gear of the same face width/thickness as a Spur Gear would be much stronger in terms of load carrying capacity & life. A Spur gear of say 1" thickness has a contact ratio of 1.1(teeth engagement.) Gears are always in pairs or more in a train. The smallest gear goes the fastest by definition. So wears quicker, also the teeth are weaker if not corrected as they are further from infinite(Basic Rack Form.) Now let's look at the same gear but give it a 30degree pitch helix angle. The SIN of 30degrees is 0.5. Therefore the effective face width along the line of action(normal to the helix angle is 1.1/2". Or 50 % more. Now let's look at engagement. You have a rolling continuous helical overlap plus a higher contact ratio. This has to result in a better stronger more reliable gear set. The load sharing of the helical overlap & higher contact ratio must win out every time?
@gogogeedus
@gogogeedus Жыл бұрын
The down side to a helical gear is side thrust which wear parts out, and must be considered as part of the equation, wouldn't you say? but I guess they have very adequate thrust washer designs these days.
@griplimit261
@griplimit261 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said but one thing, helical cut gears are generally stronger than strait cut due to the fact that there is more surface area of the teeth in contact with one another at any given moment. Strait cut gears are used a lot in racing applications because they are more efficient with less friction because there is less surface contact between gears.
@MotiveVideo
@MotiveVideo 6 жыл бұрын
Read our comment in the description. There is so many variables when it comes to gear strength we could have spoken about that for hours.
@tropicalpalmtree
@tropicalpalmtree 3 жыл бұрын
Engineering is just incredible. How on earth did a group of people manage to make a component that is so precise and methodical? Astounding to me.
@RBAERO
@RBAERO 4 жыл бұрын
Great explanation!
@Mitchvr32
@Mitchvr32 6 жыл бұрын
sounds like this was a follow up to the visit from 1320 and them not understanding gearboxes
@MotiveVideo
@MotiveVideo 6 жыл бұрын
Mitchvr we just like to educate those who need or want educating 👌
@datdudeolyver
@datdudeolyver 6 жыл бұрын
That's me. I need and want car education anywhere anytime. Learned and corrected a lot of the things from MOTIVEDVD. Huge thanks for that. Keep up the good work Andrew 👍
@TheInfectedWreck
@TheInfectedWreck 6 жыл бұрын
Just discovered your channel, you got me hooked, meat & potatoes.... ....that's all we want!
@brackoncorbridge1966
@brackoncorbridge1966 6 жыл бұрын
Great info and very well explained. Learned quite a bit thanks.
@stijndepuydt5644
@stijndepuydt5644 5 жыл бұрын
Love your vids man!
@EastingAndNorthing
@EastingAndNorthing 6 жыл бұрын
Great info! Also, nice studio and lighting :)
@ericsly2505
@ericsly2505 6 жыл бұрын
WOW! Excellent video. Thank you very much for a concise explanation.
@Limeayy
@Limeayy 6 жыл бұрын
I love this channel already
@Goodezilla
@Goodezilla 6 жыл бұрын
Good stuff Andrew... One day I'll be able to get one of those badass sequentials!
@nfarnell1
@nfarnell1 5 жыл бұрын
There is something important you could have covered with your straight vs helical cut gears. Helical cut gears have a sideways thrust that straight cut gears do not have. Most helical cut transmission use taper bearings to transmit this thrust to the case, a straight cut transmission can use roller bearings instead and that reduces the size and weight of the case.
@AuMechanic
@AuMechanic 5 жыл бұрын
Jap boxes used taper rollers but older 4 speeds GM / Ford used ball bearings with helical hears.
@howardhayakawa4314
@howardhayakawa4314 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. I was excited when I saw the screen showing gears for the 6 speed until I saw that it was for a GT-R. I was looking for a sequential shifted, dog engaged, helical gear transmission that is rated for 900-1000 hp and had enough gear spread to allow 4.11 rear ratio and not have huge revs at highway speed. Think pro touring. I can find 3 out of 4.
@MotiveVideo
@MotiveVideo 5 жыл бұрын
Our car doesnt have huge revs on the highway. Only slightly more than factoy overdrive
@vashusan1984
@vashusan1984 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, super informative and no nonsense!
@martinbrunning4532
@martinbrunning4532 5 жыл бұрын
Just come across your channel, nicely explained, easy to understand facts looking forward to seeing more 👍🏻
@thomashamer
@thomashamer 6 жыл бұрын
awesome guys. thanks.
@mattbradley1716
@mattbradley1716 6 жыл бұрын
"Granny shiftin' not double clutchin' like you should. You're lucky that hundred shot of NOS didn't blow the welds on the intake! You almost had me?"
@qpSubZeroqp
@qpSubZeroqp 6 жыл бұрын
Matt Bradley You never had me!
@palefaced1
@palefaced1 6 жыл бұрын
Still a great movie for entertainment value only lol. They have it so wrong the entire time.
@boobam3648
@boobam3648 6 жыл бұрын
SubZero you never had your car!
@boobam3648
@boobam3648 6 жыл бұрын
for those 10 seconds.. i’m free
@stuartjohns2779
@stuartjohns2779 6 жыл бұрын
MaximumGAME if you double clutch properly it doesn't matter what box you have so maybe do some research???
@alycestapleton
@alycestapleton 6 жыл бұрын
Did you read my last comment then !? ,this video seems like a quick response then to me . Great explanation and footage love that getrag transmission with housing cut out
@taterd01
@taterd01 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video bro!! I know good amount about engines but didn't know fuckin shit about manual transmissions.. thanks for the knowledge and info!!
@aclo982007
@aclo982007 5 жыл бұрын
Hats off to you, very well explained!
@Anonymist79
@Anonymist79 5 жыл бұрын
I first saw you in an old drift dvd (can't remember the name). Cool that you're on KZfaq.
@jacobwalls452
@jacobwalls452 5 жыл бұрын
Love the 1320 shirt!
@2499517
@2499517 6 жыл бұрын
Straight cut gears are also called Spur gears, and produced nucular
@PHLTHS
@PHLTHS 6 жыл бұрын
Very good and knowledgeable video. Well done.
@e46silverbullet62
@e46silverbullet62 6 жыл бұрын
You can clutchless shift with synchros as well. Disengaging a gear is easy when you time the throttle release appropriately but engaging a gear without the clutch doesnt feel good but can be done haha!
@MotiveVideo
@MotiveVideo 6 жыл бұрын
it can be done while rev matching and doing it slowly. Try it at 9000rpm flat out
@carguy1150
@carguy1150 6 жыл бұрын
I use to have a 95 s10 i could clutchless shift thur all the gears at rolling at idle or reving it out as high as it would go before i let off and it always shifted perfectly fine never grinded or was upset
@ericcanama7684
@ericcanama7684 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate! Very simple and very informative! 😊
@gsmecanica
@gsmecanica 6 жыл бұрын
Very good video mate!
@Phos9
@Phos9 5 жыл бұрын
Straight cut gears put the whole load on a single tooth. They aren’t inherently stronger, but they can be built to be so, the main benefits are that they reduce friction and don’t put a thrust load through the shafts.
@danielkanewske8473
@danielkanewske8473 6 жыл бұрын
Great vid
@joshualeniger
@joshualeniger 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info, cool vid. I love my T56 and probably will never change it for anything, just to much fun imo :)
@CiroDiMaRzio12304
@CiroDiMaRzio12304 4 жыл бұрын
i know there are sequentials that only need a clutch pedal for 1th gear so you can drive off and when u driving you only need to shift up or down by pulling or pushing on the sequential stick.
@ukracer7593
@ukracer7593 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't have to be a sequential. Any box with dog engagement gears will do that. I have an H pattern dog box in my race car and I left foot brake and change up with a quick lift of the throttle and down with a quick blip of it. Never touch the clutch unless I'm starting or stopping.
@CiroDiMaRzio12304
@CiroDiMaRzio12304 3 жыл бұрын
@Underground RTILES For what i heard yes but in dont think thats a big issue for most bigger racing teams.
@irfaan7868
@irfaan7868 6 жыл бұрын
Good video Andrew. Clear information :-)
@shermancreech9328
@shermancreech9328 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Very interesting and informative!
@fahadfaraj9666
@fahadfaraj9666 5 жыл бұрын
love this channel very helpful video Well done guys
@pheonixfps9248
@pheonixfps9248 6 жыл бұрын
description on synchro engagement is slightly off. refer to bork rings and what they actually do, prior to synchro action. there is also a debate on material strength of helical vs dogbox strength. RE total surface area contact on the gears.
@MrTheHillfolk
@MrTheHillfolk 5 жыл бұрын
I dig a really close ratio gearbox. First time I let a friend drive it, he missed the 2-3 shift cause the linkage is slightly sloppy. He went went 2-5 instead 🤣🤣 It barely mattered, it pulled away just fine
@everydayirace
@everydayirace 6 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done.
@IAmLuckyMan001
@IAmLuckyMan001 6 жыл бұрын
Cool vid man!
@madduck692002
@madduck692002 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video mate, thank you!
@abcde_fz
@abcde_fz 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, that's so cool! Drag racing might pop your wiper arms up!! (or that guy around the 3:00 mark did what I did sometimes and somehow accidentally hit the wipers)... :-) I kind of doubt that though, since they didn't come back to rest position.
@deweberis2709
@deweberis2709 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This article synchronized my ideas about gearboxes. Q: is there a way to identify if a gear teeth is broken? Bcs a loose piece of metal can destroy the entire gearbox.
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