Motorcycle Geometry | EXPLAINED

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Mike on Bikes

Mike on Bikes

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Most of us regular riders don't go beyond adjusting the suspension on our bikes. Heck, a lot of street riders don't even adjust their tire pressures. Add me on Instagram: mikeonbikesofficial
In this video I go beyond the regular suspension talk, and focus on explaining Motorcycle Geometry. You see, the geometrical setup of the motorcycle has a crucial impact on its performance. Adjusting the suspension might also require changes to the bikes geometry.
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Пікірлер: 417
@gsalien2292
@gsalien2292 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this information! Now when I crash my bike due to lack of skills, I can just tell everyone who witnessed it that I made incorrect mechanical adjustments on the bike that resulted in poor geometry conditions!!!
@schnecks2180
@schnecks2180 4 жыл бұрын
Nah dude, there must be something wrong with the tires..... :-)
@Vain06
@Vain06 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reveal :P
@Walkeranz
@Walkeranz 4 жыл бұрын
So lack of mechanical skills as well as riding skills...
@staninjapan07
@staninjapan07 4 жыл бұрын
Sweet excuse making skills!
@gabrieljohannson6777
@gabrieljohannson6777 4 жыл бұрын
LOL
@LyRaLex
@LyRaLex 4 жыл бұрын
Anti-Squat sounds quite slavphobic.
@-fluffylik3scoff33-5
@-fluffylik3scoff33-5 4 жыл бұрын
Boris and Anatoli want to know your location.
@vichearidhuth4556
@vichearidhuth4556 4 жыл бұрын
They should have bough soviet motorcycle like Урал: Ural (basically a copy of bmw engine)
@Spetsop
@Spetsop 4 жыл бұрын
As a Slav... that makes me sad 🙁... 😂
@georgisgarage
@georgisgarage 4 жыл бұрын
ahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahhaah as a slav....i love this :D
@MeisVlk
@MeisVlk 4 жыл бұрын
Please change this term, it offends me and my culture.
@mopedlyfe2288
@mopedlyfe2288 4 жыл бұрын
I'm currently doing a study about motorcycle suspension and some dynamics and this video has summarized a big part of a few books that I've read, which were kind of hard to understand. Thanks for making this, made it really easy to understand, props for that.
@rider65
@rider65 2 жыл бұрын
Check out Tony Foal. 👍
@excaliburgt4537
@excaliburgt4537 4 жыл бұрын
I've been following you for a while. Your quality has been getting better and better!!
@thefurcoon4092
@thefurcoon4092 4 жыл бұрын
2:26 "the numbers, mason! What do they mean ?!" (I dont know if someone else wrote this or something similar)
@darwinwallace77
@darwinwallace77 4 жыл бұрын
I bought this book many years ago and I highly recommend it: Motorcycle Design & Technology: How and Why by Gaetano Cocco
@mikeskidmore6754
@mikeskidmore6754 4 жыл бұрын
Hey AWi Co maybe you should send a copy of this book to Harley Davidson .. I don't think they have it figured out yet.
@BigUriel
@BigUriel 4 жыл бұрын
When an Italian engineer writes a book about motorcycle handling you know it'll be good.
@bikersoncall
@bikersoncall 4 жыл бұрын
I read most reviews, depending on what edition you buy, it's not obvious if the later edition is much improved over the earlier edition, the earlier edition appears a complete nightmare , horrible Italian to English translation, poor math, and very poor editing in general. Looks like some people loved it ,and others found it a waste of time , trying to figure out where the poor translations vs bad math and editing start and finish. :shrugs: , I''ll pass, will look for something else, but glad to know there are books out there that explain bike geometry.
@SAMFICOM
@SAMFICOM 4 жыл бұрын
Finally one no BS video with actual information and it is explained correctly. Perfect!
@rabukan5842
@rabukan5842 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanations! This information is necessary for both racers and cruisers who want to better their skills by understanding how skills work with the geometry of the bike. Thanks for such a well made video!
@one-of-us9939
@one-of-us9939 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike. Been riding all my life. When I decided to go track riding on a Sportbike i chose one whose frame is near perfect for me... 2018 Aprilia RSV4 RF LE#14 w/wings!😍
@Brad772006
@Brad772006 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! I come from the offroad side of bikes and chassis setup is equally important. I would always try and talk my customers into getting chassis and suspension setup before getting all the engine mods they wanted. Makes a huge difference.
@vanggr
@vanggr 4 жыл бұрын
Nice videos mike!! I spent endless nights thinking and reading and searching for all these technical issues and details. Is nice to watch them all in one video. One point still not clear to me is the effect of the height of the neck (steering head) from the ground since is very different between bikes of same category. Seems important to me
@H3ntaig33K
@H3ntaig33K 4 жыл бұрын
The rider is just an onboard engineer.
@juanete838
@juanete838 4 жыл бұрын
Believe me. As an engineer I cant onboard like the pilots on the video, lol.
@GeorgeSPAMTindle
@GeorgeSPAMTindle 4 жыл бұрын
@@juanete838 I bet that you can tie your shoe laces though. I too am an engineer and have worked in motor sports, some of the best test riders and drivers are just useless at all other aspects of life. Good engineers do not make good test riders, this is because they can tell that things are going wrong before most other people would notice. One manager at a car manufacturer in Britain once said to me that it is the job of the engineers to break the vehicle, and it is the driver's job to crash it, adding that it is easier to replace a test rider than it is to replace a good engineer. You will only ever find the limits by going beyond them, and that can hurt, or worse.
@thomastikken5826
@thomastikken5826 4 жыл бұрын
I need a KTM scale model like that to fool around with at the office
@pykeblinder4754
@pykeblinder4754 4 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha your comment made my day, sir.
@pfistor
@pfistor 4 жыл бұрын
Amazon carries these.
@absolute___zero
@absolute___zero 4 жыл бұрын
best comment ever!
@staninjapan07
@staninjapan07 4 жыл бұрын
Me, too.
@mikeestrella2
@mikeestrella2 4 жыл бұрын
This was great, informative and best of all told by a simple man ( Mike on bikes ) those books are hard to understand in some ways. But when it comes to suspension geometry it's almost like opening Pandora's box. Plenty but heads trying to set up or ajust suspension systems. Mike you said it best and simple to understand and I applaud you for this bit of knowledge.
@pyrusmasterdan1
@pyrusmasterdan1 4 жыл бұрын
My favorite video from you thus far. You’re growing a lot
@Sladep123
@Sladep123 Жыл бұрын
Super job, Mike. Reading the transcript is a great help to really digesting all this.
@RTK171
@RTK171 4 жыл бұрын
A big thing that many newbies over look is rear axle position.. Pushing the axle further to the rear will make the bike turn in slower and the moving it forward will make it turn in quicker without even touching the front forks. So try to find the optimal axle length position and if you want to change gearing use different lenght chains to keep it in the sweet spot the rear of a motorcycle is often overlooked but very important for optimal suspension settings
@fukpolitics
@fukpolitics 7 ай бұрын
dude, it feels like every once in a while i come back to this video and it blows my mind how much we don't know about motorcycles. i reckon i will watch this video dozens more times, and with more and more reading in between and hopefully one day I will understand all these points more intuitively. (also speaking as an engineer who loves bikes, btw) This time, the point about centre of gravity making it easier to flick bikes around was a big revelation. the bike i am riding now is a 390 adventure, and recently i started doing more counterleaning in canyon twisties riding and i felt like it made a HUGE difference in my cornering confidence. then i started reading about the tribal comments of whether to lean off or counter lean. So naturally i started wondering if the bike had any effect on whether it is better to counterlean or lean off, and the point about centre of gravity i think answered this question. I really wish this channel was still making new content but i am grateful of these videos. Thank you!
@morganhodge6760
@morganhodge6760 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Love the visuals. Really helped me wrap my mind around the subject. Subscribed!
@ThayQiGER
@ThayQiGER 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video! You deserve so many more subscribers, awesome content as always!
@gsmecanica
@gsmecanica 4 жыл бұрын
How comes you don't have more subscribers? The quality of this video and it's technical content is amazing. Congrats and thanks for sharing!
@riskesc7796
@riskesc7796 4 жыл бұрын
Jhony sins known as teacher, scientist, doctor, etc..so when he explain about bikes, its a best explanation.. 👏👏
@dardobartoli
@dardobartoli 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike, I really enjoy your videos, seems that just as I get my head round one aspect of setting up my Tracer 900GT, I need to understand something else. As I am fond of saying, the more you know, the more you realise how little you know. Luckily I have you and my 2 sons, an Astrophysicist and Mechanical Engineer to help me
@Wyrmidion
@Wyrmidion 4 жыл бұрын
Great info ! Thanks! now i have some things to think about for my bike for next season here in sweden :)
@bikehubjapan
@bikehubjapan 4 жыл бұрын
I had to stop half way because my head started hurting. Will watch again tomorrow ;)
@LTLT900
@LTLT900 4 жыл бұрын
Me too.
@TommyBarnezTV
@TommyBarnezTV 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid mate! First I've seen of yours and hitting the sub, keep up the good work
@BZsTax
@BZsTax 4 жыл бұрын
This is a great video with a lot of informative content! Thanks Mike!
@_hannbee
@_hannbee 3 жыл бұрын
Holy crap I just learned so much in 12min! Thank you fo your videos dude, these are so great!
@lukasm09
@lukasm09 4 жыл бұрын
i love the professionality with the colored lights in the background xD
@kristiangameplay6534
@kristiangameplay6534 4 жыл бұрын
A loot of custom builders especially in USA must immediately watch this video, because some custom bikes are unrideable. Nice educational video
@c7dermatome
@c7dermatome Жыл бұрын
Such a complicated subject explained perfectly, thankyou! Fantastic presentation too
@lishaanhettipathirana
@lishaanhettipathirana 4 жыл бұрын
OMG I have looking for this everywhere...this is a great help for me bro thanks
@authenticselection4248
@authenticselection4248 4 жыл бұрын
Impressive! Gonna need to watch this a few times though!
@literaryartist1
@literaryartist1 3 жыл бұрын
Blew my mind man! Never knew any of this!!! Same with the tire friction vid you did!
@antiquelude
@antiquelude 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Great explanation! I think I'm ready to build a motorcycle from scratch now...
@onehtw1974
@onehtw1974 4 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. Was wondering where your videos were 😂😅 keep producing bro
@dittoyaar263
@dittoyaar263 4 жыл бұрын
2:25 Me, even after watching the entire video 😣
@justincavinder6414
@justincavinder6414 4 жыл бұрын
Right. Not even a lot of mechanics out there fully understand this too so you can even pay someone to help unless you really want to pay top dollar for someone's time. I'd rather not ruin my bike.
@thesickening0169
@thesickening0169 4 жыл бұрын
Mike, EXCELLENT video man!
@UnyieldingOctopus
@UnyieldingOctopus 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, that was a really great explanation.
@davetee425
@davetee425 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent brother! Youve earned your subscribe button push! 😂😂👍👍 Cant wait for the next one 🤙🤙
4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Explaining tyre geometry and characteristics would also be nice
@danytheunicorn95
@danytheunicorn95 4 жыл бұрын
10/10. finally a simple explanation with examples!
@ferrumignis
@ferrumignis 4 жыл бұрын
Great video in general, but the part around lean angle and COG is maybe a bit misleading. Lean angle only becomes dependent COG location when combined with wide tyres (e.g. sports bikes) because the tyre contact patch moves away from the center line of the bike when you corner. For something on skinny tyres the location of COG has negligible impact on the lean angle required for a given speed.
@gerzonalexanderrodriguezna7670
@gerzonalexanderrodriguezna7670 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are so awesome, I learn a lot , thank you very very much
@iancurtis5397
@iancurtis5397 4 жыл бұрын
Great video with useful information. Ty!
@10ToGoPro
@10ToGoPro Жыл бұрын
I daily an SV, awesome lesson bro greatly appreciated by the moto community
@Carreidas
@Carreidas 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t know why you are being downvoted? Loved the information and the format. Thank you!
@aeror115
@aeror115 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video bro! Thanks for the explanation 🙌
@spartan7042
@spartan7042 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video very informative.
@fletcherrebello
@fletcherrebello 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting, well explained, got a good understanding, on watching video twice. Please make more videos on given subject, & Aerodynamics.
@darkshadowsx5949
@darkshadowsx5949 4 жыл бұрын
i cant be the only one who actually understood what he said as he said it. mechanics isn't that difficult. the important thing is understanding the jargon. at least he didn't drone on about calculus equations.
@sbsb4995
@sbsb4995 2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent episode
@staninjapan07
@staninjapan07 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot. I will have to watch this again, probably more than once, but I think I got enough of it this time to know that... I will not be adjusting the suspension on my small or big scooters!
@iamthemobey
@iamthemobey 4 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic video. Thank you very much 👍🏻
@Quokka1832
@Quokka1832 4 жыл бұрын
More of such informative videos please!
@flowerofash4439
@flowerofash4439 2 жыл бұрын
this is the best video about motorcycle center of gravity
@franciscofigueroa5908
@franciscofigueroa5908 3 жыл бұрын
My respects!! great content! From Lima Perú
@nigelosgood4922
@nigelosgood4922 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent information. Well presented. Subscribed. Should be compulsory viewing for anyone who owns a motorcycle. I know, i am 65 & have been riding for almost 50 years. You must understand your machine for it & yourself to perform at the optimum. So much to learn but much pleasure in that. Thank you.
@raulc7680
@raulc7680 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, what field of engineering are you in?
@nigelosgood4922
@nigelosgood4922 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Raul. I’m a toolmaker in Aluminium precast dies for motor vehicle castings. I have a Suzuki SV1000, a CBR1100XX & an 85 Suzuki GS1100G.
@margiotto
@margiotto 4 жыл бұрын
really great channel bro !!!!!! congratz !!!!!!!
@s.l.6736
@s.l.6736 4 жыл бұрын
Beautifully explains, Thank you very much
@wilson-nm5ok
@wilson-nm5ok 4 жыл бұрын
Loved the video, ai learnt quite a lot🤝
@Mrbooboo1972
@Mrbooboo1972 4 жыл бұрын
Its Actually very easy to understand. From static sag to the basic gyro of the motorcycle. Which is Actually what was taking place when you said : You want to turn and the bike wants to go straight. Which is what you get with counter steering.
@lnrlsocial
@lnrlsocial 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome training! 👌🏿🙌🏿👏🏿
@fredflintstone4087
@fredflintstone4087 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Thx for the vid.
@lorenzobenci4313
@lorenzobenci4313 4 жыл бұрын
great job Mike!!
@alex_4cj64
@alex_4cj64 4 жыл бұрын
this actually helps me with my bike(bycicle)skill thx
@arthurn8952
@arthurn8952 4 жыл бұрын
This video was for tertiary students. I needed something for primary kids to understand all this
@phillpauley6672
@phillpauley6672 4 жыл бұрын
Riding a race bike at insane speeds on a track is on my bucket list!
@brandonhindmarsh4353
@brandonhindmarsh4353 3 жыл бұрын
Like your videos. Thanks for creating them
@ngo3657
@ngo3657 4 жыл бұрын
i would like you to go deeper on the subject , for example spring stiffness, soft vs hard precompression or preload?, dumping etc. Very cool vid many thanks.
@_t3dward
@_t3dward 4 жыл бұрын
fantastic video. It's a RSV though, not a RSV4 ;)
@MrIkbenbasoe
@MrIkbenbasoe 4 жыл бұрын
Was looking for this comment! I own a V-twin RSV like this :)
@Fastade80
@Fastade80 4 жыл бұрын
Rsv1000r
@MegaVinny73
@MegaVinny73 2 жыл бұрын
RSV 1000 R Factory model too. I know this, because Mike is using a toy model of the life size one sitting in my garage :-)
@Ranveer_sangha03
@Ranveer_sangha03 4 жыл бұрын
4:38 how do you set up that camera with stabilizer on bike tank
@neopank
@neopank 4 жыл бұрын
Great content! Congrats
@andyjacobs1436
@andyjacobs1436 4 жыл бұрын
Really cool video. In the end a lot depends on the rider's input, obviously right? I liken tag to hitting a baseball and how quickly your mind has to adapt in the moment. I have good experience on all styles of motorcycle. Great information.
@ritwikreddy5670
@ritwikreddy5670 4 жыл бұрын
That's why different riders have different setups.
@akashamdavadi8767
@akashamdavadi8767 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing knowledge about Motorcycle Geometry..Person who wants to learn about VD related to Motorcycle should watch this Video.....
@atomicdmt8763
@atomicdmt8763 4 ай бұрын
outstanding! love this vid
@shngsam8777
@shngsam8777 4 жыл бұрын
no. 1k likes! this video give me so much information .. i used to thought 'setup' is just the suspension settings
@lylemacdonald6672
@lylemacdonald6672 4 жыл бұрын
Simple explanations of important principles in two wheeling. I run two boxer BMWs: an 84 R100 and 2017 R9T. Completely different geometry on a number of fronts especially the old vs. new suspension. When I get on the 84 after a lot of time on the 2017 I have to be very careful because I will go into a corner with some speed on the 84 and it will not respond at all like the newer bike: it will not carry the same line, will not be as easy to flick into a turn etc. It is a very quick lesson on geometry. There have been some pucker moments let me tell you.
@antonio-urbanculture
@antonio-urbanculture 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video! From another Engineer here! Cheers
@wildchild9658
@wildchild9658 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this information brother. Love from #Sikkim
@topkear
@topkear 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! But one question: Are you sure the bike with lower center gravity need more lean angle for a given speed?
@quinn6152730
@quinn6152730 4 жыл бұрын
No one talk about motorcycle geometry so clear ever!
@krisnestorurian9127
@krisnestorurian9127 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you ❤️❤️❤️
@nerveaudio
@nerveaudio 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, those bike models are too cool.
@davida1679
@davida1679 4 жыл бұрын
Easy to understand, thank you! Curious if your able to send a link to where you purchased your RSV model?
@zardportugal
@zardportugal 4 жыл бұрын
Great lesson. Thanks.
@hamad1979
@hamad1979 4 жыл бұрын
Hi and thanks for the video .. when and in what cases you know that you need to lower the front suspention a lil bit ?
@donovanpiper320
@donovanpiper320 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!!!
@jonathanmartins7744
@jonathanmartins7744 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the explanations
@nox2505
@nox2505 4 жыл бұрын
Hi. Mike. Nice video. I would like to add few pointers from my experience. Its not only the CG height, which makes vehicle agile or stable, but the ratio of vehicle CG height to rider CG. The way I explain it to my team members, is assume vehicle a vertical rod pivoted at ground with a weights clipped at a heights. While you give input at top end. Lower the height, less efforts you need to move stick around. Higher the weight, higher efforts and less accelerations you can give to stick. No doubt bike tend to capsize at lower speeds with higher height of weight. To prove this, I did few experiments while tuning a production bike. In first trial I mount 15kg (for 150kg bike) weight at level of crank shaft or below engine and in 2nd trial, same weight above tank, the effect can be perceived significantly.
@rider65
@rider65 2 жыл бұрын
But the CoG is fluid on both Rider and bike to an extent. You can slightly manipulate the CoG through Shifting the center of mass. CoM. In turn the center of mass never changes, but the center of gravity has potentiality to be fluid to some extent.
@vasuhardeo1418
@vasuhardeo1418 3 жыл бұрын
love he model bikes, great lesson thx.
@malibu188
@malibu188 3 жыл бұрын
On a sports bike lower the front fork spring pre-load and increase the rebound dampening. Great cornering entry, skitterish front end through the corner with some under steering on the exit. Try it.
@krisnestorurian9127
@krisnestorurian9127 4 жыл бұрын
“The use of wide tyres causes another difficulty when the bike rolls because the contact patch moves further and further from the bike’s centreline and from its steering axis. The taller the tyre section the more pronounced these effects are; lower sections minimize them, for a given width of tyre. There are several effects. It reduces the camber thrust for a given angle of lean. Ironically, a bike with a higher centre of gravity or with the centre of gravity shifted in towards the turn, will require less angle of lean to balance its centrifugal force.” I took that off John Robinson’s book, Motorcycle Tuning Chassis second edition under the section of contact area in tyres. Perhaps maybe you could do a video why wider tyres need more lean angle to turn and narrow tyres use less. And how how centrifugal force is actually needed to turn with the same bike but different width tyres. Perhaps you can mention why did MotoGP used 16.5 wheels and why some asian drag bikes used bicycle sized wheels on their drag bikes. Thank you in advance
@arda7527
@arda7527 3 жыл бұрын
Hey man, I think you can understand this on a video better than with the words of my. Just search how steering works to youtube and click on some animation.
@squiretomasie7003
@squiretomasie7003 Жыл бұрын
Great job, Thank you!
@ashrayhebbar5885
@ashrayhebbar5885 4 жыл бұрын
If I increase the rear ride height the bike will become more agile right? Since the trail will decrease and swingarm angle will increase...
@mkx200sx
@mkx200sx 4 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@safsaf20
@safsaf20 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, thx!!
@nikoscosmos
@nikoscosmos 4 жыл бұрын
I would be interested in seeing your analysis of BMW telelever parameter set up!
@Scrawny82
@Scrawny82 4 жыл бұрын
Really well explained.
@SKTK612
@SKTK612 4 жыл бұрын
Great video TNX !
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