Mount Doom, Misty Mountains, Mordor Lore & more - Interesting Places of Middle-earth - LotR Lore

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ThePhilosophersGames

ThePhilosophersGames

5 жыл бұрын

Tolkien created many interesting places in LotR for Middle-earth. Today we have a look at some of them and their lore. We look at the far east Mordor, Mount Doom, Nurnen, the Iron Hills and the Misty Mountains.
It's fascinating what Tolkien's lore offers even when it comes to places and locations. Sadly I couldn't include the White Mountains (time reasons).
Art Work and special thanks to the artists, who allowed me to use their work:
Kimberly80 - Melkor, Father Durin, etc.
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Sources:
Books:
The Lord of The Rings (1954-1955) by J. R. R. Tolkien
The Silmarillion (1977) by J. R. R. Tolkien; Editor: Christopher Tolkien
The Hobbit (1937) by J. R. R. Tolkien
The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien (1981) by Humphrey Carpenter and Christopher Tolkien
Morgoth's Ring (1993) by J. R. R. Tolkien; Editor: Christopher Tolkien
The Peoples of Middle-earth (1996) by J. R. R. Tolkien; Editor: Christopher Tolkien
Pictures from:
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002)
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (2012)
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug (2013)
The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (2014)
Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor (2014)
Middle-earth: Shadow of War (2017)
Pixabay.com
Best Tolkien Wiki:
TolkienGateway.net
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- lotrproject.com/map
- Amazon
- ThePhilosophersGames
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@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
I hope you like it. I will revisit this topic (interesting places and their #lore) from time to time. Sadly I couldn't cover the White Mountains, which would fit to the stone giants, but I needed the video to be done today (was quite a rush). Feel free to post lore questions for future videos (make a new comment, instead of answering to this one, this way they are easier to find for me). my Gaming Side projects will be posted here I guess: kzfaq.info/love/h9E5AFPMBdsf_WT2VIl7Fw The Big gaming related videos stay on this channel (but will be more rare). At least that's my standpoint now
@thestraightroad305
@thestraightroad305 4 жыл бұрын
I had completely forgotten that Morgoth had raised the Misty Mountains as a barrier to Orome. It is time to raid my own library and reread some history! Thank you for provoking so much thought and enjoyment. I appreciate the organization and flow of this series (Places of Middle-earth) in which you are able to connect so many events. On to the next-looks like it will be a long night!
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 4 жыл бұрын
haha have fun :) Yes there are so many little details, that can be easily forgotten. I forget so many things over time again too. It's shocking. Sometimes I check scripts of my older videos and discover details I have long forgotten about.
@fornrekkr
@fornrekkr 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. So much knowledge and effort goes into these.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@sheepladybaa
@sheepladybaa 5 жыл бұрын
"consider pressing the stupid bell" if i didnt already press it, that would have made me! another good video!
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
haha happy to hear, thank you :)
@TheCalimehtar
@TheCalimehtar 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you again for another very enjoyable video! Already pressed the stupid bell long ago and never regretted it
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
No problem, happy you liked it and thank you too :P
@JimRiven
@JimRiven 5 жыл бұрын
"Consider pressing the stupid bell". That made me smile.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
haha happy to hear ^^ I also hate this function and the need of hinting, that it exists in my videos. Can be quite important (esp. when you (like me) only upload 2-4 videos per month)
@sayagarapan1686
@sayagarapan1686 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant. I viewed this previously but probably was multitasking so I didn't catch the nuances and epic insights contained within like little pearls of wisdom hidden in a sea of song. You are definitely my favorite Middle-Earth lore master, probably descended from Earendil himself who gave life to the likes of Elrond Half-Elven. You should feel honored to be you. 😛
@gunnerbrewster9192
@gunnerbrewster9192 4 жыл бұрын
Bravo bravo ....well done my friend, you never cease to amaze me and I've seen and heard alot in my days...🎬👏👏👏🎬
@realmless4193
@realmless4193 3 жыл бұрын
The blue mountains are also interesting. They are cool as they have always acted as a barrier between worlds in the mythology. In the first age they divided Beleriand and the events of the Sillmarillion from the rest of Middle-earth, while in the second and third ages they are the last land that must be crossed for the final journey of the undying lands, and act as the borderlands between Aman and Middle-Earth.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 3 жыл бұрын
That's a good point and well said!
@michaelkochie9783
@michaelkochie9783 5 жыл бұрын
Hey man, thanks for making easy topics so interesting! I also love how you brought Arda marred into today's video. Thanks brother!
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you :) Yes I thought it was fitting and we talked about it in the last video a bit, which this video somehow is connected to. happy you liked it ^^
@turkishpornxplogamesmom6597
@turkishpornxplogamesmom6597 5 жыл бұрын
I love your videos so much keep create new every week.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
I'll try, thank you ^^
@turkishpornxplogamesmom6597
@turkishpornxplogamesmom6597 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames where you from? I guess you are German 🇩🇪
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Yes you're right, I'm from Germany
@turkishpornxplogamesmom6597
@turkishpornxplogamesmom6597 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames danke,ich bin griechische frau 😀
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Nice, Γεια σας (I hope it's right xD)
@otaku-sempai2197
@otaku-sempai2197 5 жыл бұрын
Much more could be said of the mountains of Middle-earth. The White Mountains that form the northern border of Gondor became a refuge of the Drúedain during the Second Age, with many of them later settling in the Cape of Andrast. During the Spring of Arda, the South of Endor (Middle-earth) was dominated by two mountain ranges: the Grey Mountains in the West (which seems to have survived in the Hither Lands, a.k.a. the lands of Harad); and the Yellow Mountains in the East. The Yellow Mountains were apparently leveled "in the first Battle of the Gods, when Valinor went out against Utumno…and Melkor was chained" (J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Ambakanta"). I'm not sure by what name(s) those southern Grey Mountains would have been known in the later ages of Middle-earth. In the farthest East of Arda before the Change of the World, beyond the Dark Land (South Land), were the mountains of the Walls of the Sun including Kalórmë, the Sun-rising Hill.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, I originally wanted to include the white mountains and some other places, but had to finish the video (because I don't have much time this week). I will revisit the topic at some point.
@sayagarapan1686
@sayagarapan1686 5 жыл бұрын
Another exceedingly excellent lore video. Thank you for your efforts and your great respect for the myriads of nuances of the entire legendarium.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@diego_villena
@diego_villena 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Love the highlighting of mountains as a mythological device.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you :) Yes agree I think that is a really interesting way of looking at them.
@MasterMahan-qm8hu
@MasterMahan-qm8hu 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent!!! Love these!!! Cheers
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@ianvincible111
@ianvincible111 5 жыл бұрын
I love your content. Thanks for making all these great videos!
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm glad you like it :)
@eredamlug
@eredamlug 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Thanks for the work. Shared the video.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@Bringmeoneofthosechickens
@Bringmeoneofthosechickens 5 жыл бұрын
I love your LOTR videos!!!! Thank you so much.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Happy to hear ^^ thank you for commenting :)
@palantir135
@palantir135 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, I like it a lot. A total new view to landscape features combined with historical events.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, happy to hear you liked it ^^
@hrperformance
@hrperformance 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I really like the choice of topic. Perfect to watch at the end of the day with a nice cup of tea. For me these videos have the perfect ballance of detail, romance and wonder. When the video is over, you are ready to dream of the mountains (made me realise I really must go on my own adventure! haha) The talk of the mountains in the north got me wondering about the dwarves so maybe a topic for the future perhaps? Keep up the fantstic work Chris! All the best.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you again (and for reporting back ^^), happy you liked it :) Yes, I know what you mean. I should also go and see mountains again ^^ Dwarves are on my list, but that could end up being a bigger video and will take some time.
@hrperformance
@hrperformance 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames that is fantastic news, I love your longer videos and am more than happy to wait! Many thanks
@dicu4838
@dicu4838 5 жыл бұрын
Your videos are great!!!Keep on with the good work!
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'll try ^^
@thomaspostma2329
@thomaspostma2329 5 жыл бұрын
Your video's are so full of detail and the accuracy and amount of work put into it is amazing! Thank you for your hard work! I really like listening to them! It also, in a more general note, never ceases to amaze how much I adore professor Tolkiens work. Even the most tiny details are super interesting. He truly was such a talented man.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you :) I can't agree more about Tolkien. I make those lore videos for quite some time now and I always find something new I've never noticed before. It really shows, that a lifetime of work went into all of this.
@thomaspostma2329
@thomaspostma2329 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames I know right! Its awesome! By the way, do you have a link to the map you used a 3:03?
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
I have, it's the map from the Amazon series published on their twitter account: www.amazon.com/adlp/lotronprime
@thomaspostma2329
@thomaspostma2329 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames Thank you!
@hedgemowerman
@hedgemowerman 2 жыл бұрын
The sea of nurnen would be dark, waveless, cold, and dangerous. Either the water would be toxic or contain dangerous lake creatures. The mountains around would make it look like the mountains around Issyk Kul in Asia.
@kimopuppy
@kimopuppy 4 жыл бұрын
I find it amazing that one man created so much for the story
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 4 жыл бұрын
Yes agreed. Tolkien spent much time of his life to create his world and its story. He started writing in the 1920s and his last writings are from arond 1970. He worked a big portion of his life on this. And his son Christopher worked a big part of his life to "order", analyse, explain and publish everything unpublished, which was a lot. It's really impressive!
@ChiefNBong
@ChiefNBong 4 жыл бұрын
Was waiting on your linguistic take on mount doom being reffered to as Amon Amarth in the final pages of the return of the king. Great videos my friend.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 4 жыл бұрын
haha I think I wanted to mention it, but I think I forgot. Orodruin means something like "fiery red mountain" in Sindarin, but Amon Amarth is the actual Sindarin translation of "Mount Doom". Thank you, happy you liked it :)
@dynjarren5454
@dynjarren5454 5 жыл бұрын
You wont find any better place on YT if you have interests in Tolkiens lore unless you read the books. Again a great lore video from you brother. Thank you for this
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@Nexus-6
@Nexus-6 3 жыл бұрын
I love these videos and the pronunciations of all the names in Tolkien's world. ❤️ Is anything known, or written, about what happens to Mordor in the Fourth Age, after the defeat and fall of Sauron? What happens to the Orcs and everything else in Mordor and does the land itself heal eventually? Or has this land been so defiled that it is beyond help? Cheers. 🍻😊
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 3 жыл бұрын
Thank ^^ Yes we know a few things. Mordor basically came under the control Gondor and of King Elessar gifted the farm land around the Sea of Núrnen to the slaves of Mordor to have it as their own and live in peace. The remaining Orcs had without Sauron no purpose and no power that "unified" them. So they fled from Mordor and went into hiding, maybe just having small bands, while a lot of them were probably also slain in battle (we don't have numbers I think). It seems though they would not bother the free peoples of Middle-earth during the Fourth Age anymore.
@DaRollinThunder
@DaRollinThunder 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! In most stories and mythologies I really like mountains that even though they may not have any real magical properties they seem like they do. Like in ancient Greece with Mount Olympus. This past winter I saw Mount Fuji in Japan and I can definitely understand how something like that can inspire awe and wonder.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you :) Oh wow Mount Fuji? Some day I need to visit Japan too. I can imagine how impressive it must be. I also really like mountains. on their tops it's incredible. A very special atmosphere and silence.
@DaRollinThunder
@DaRollinThunder 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames Yes it was definitely a sight to behold. I think perhaps since it is harder to build on a mountain mountains have become sanctuaries of nature. That is probably why I love them so much. The mountains of southern Spain, Switzerland, and the Colorado Rockies will always be beautiful to me. I think their natural beauties and isolation makes it feel like you are entering into a fantasy world when you climb them.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
That's a very good point. Yes I know exactly what you mean :) PS: you are coming around ^^
@DaRollinThunder
@DaRollinThunder 5 жыл бұрын
Coming around?
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you are travelling a lot ^^ PS: I think I just translated a German idiom (fail) xD
@himaditya1
@himaditya1 5 жыл бұрын
I dunno why u don't have a lot more subscribers and likes. You have the best tolkein lores
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you :) I guess I upload to infrequent and also have two topics, that I cover. I hope it gets more too ^^
@marcoscorsolini8803
@marcoscorsolini8803 4 жыл бұрын
REQUEST: What if Saruman was not killed in the Shire? :)
@bereftspud279
@bereftspud279 5 жыл бұрын
I think it would be fair to call mountains on Arda Aulë's Trees. Just as Yavanna made the trees and the Ents to inhabit the forests, Aulë made mountains and the Dwarves to inhabit them. From this view mountain ranges are Aulë's forests.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
agreed (I mention it in the video too; at least I remember voice recording the sentence) PS: 11:46 min found it, was getting nervous :P
@hrperformance
@hrperformance 5 жыл бұрын
I really like that interpretation! :)
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
me too ^^
@mikegagne3263
@mikegagne3263 5 жыл бұрын
The Misty Mountains were raised by Melkor to hinder the movement of elves west.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
It's a bit of both. Quote from the Silmarillion: yet they [the Misty Mountains/Hithaeglir] were taller and more terrible in those days, and were reared by Melkor to hinder the riding of Oromë. Now the Teleri abode long on the east bank of that river and wished to remain there, but the Vanyar and me Noldor passed over it, and Oromë led them into the passes of the mountains. And when Oromë was gone forward the Teleri looked upon the shadowy heights and were afraid.
@philsoro491
@philsoro491 4 жыл бұрын
This channel is really underrated man
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 4 жыл бұрын
haha thank you ^^ I guess it's niche content, so not many people find my videos.
@lhadzyan7300
@lhadzyan7300 4 жыл бұрын
well most of the main mountain ranges that matters in Tolkien mythology, and specially on the Lord of the Rings´s story, were builded as part of Melkor/Morgoth earliest strongholds to attempt hide his nefarious plotts against the Valar for taking full command on Middle Earth on the very beggining: 1. Mountains of Angmar, Mount Gundabad, the Grey Mountains and even the Iron Hills where the remains of what was left of the very original Iron Mountains on the fartherst north of Middle Earth where Melkor hide himself to build up his earliest fortess of Utumno and later ruin the Spring of Arda on the Valars at Almaren´s central island, and destroy also the Two Lamps of the North and South. 2. Misty Mountains so were also build up by Melkor so the light of the Two Trees of Valinor couldn´t reach the whole Middle Earth thus dividing it into the West were Valars were more able to have some domain, and the East where he could have then the upper hand. So they were raised on what was left of former central sea and island of Almaren, so are the very epicenter of the whole world on what does happen in Middle Earth history. (Benneath the mountains at the deepest of the ground in Moria, lies the underground salty lake, which is pretty much the remains of that former sea before the mountains existed above, and so the ancient Watcher in the Water also was a surviving creature from that time, maybe alike or not to the more mysterious and rather Lovecraftian-like Nameless Things.)
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 4 жыл бұрын
To 1: this is an interpretation or idea of Karen Wynn Fonstad (and it made sense when she created the Atlas), but in Peoples of Middle-earth we find hints, that this could not be the case, because Mount Gundabad and the Grey Mountains already existed during the First Age. Actually around the time the elves awoke, because Durin and some of the other seven fathers of the dwarves awoke there and the Grey Mountains and Gundabad are explicitly mentioned. PS: they could be connected, esp. considering that Angband was in the range of it. To 2. In my understanding the Great Lake formed the oceans of the world. The misty mountains also quite far away from the Sea of Helcar too. PS. checked the part in LotR again and it does not hint at a giant lake. We can just read "then we plunged into the deep water". It's very vague.
@lhadzyan7300
@lhadzyan7300 4 жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames there are several deep salt water lakes underneath the mountains that might be either formed by filtrations of rain water through the rocks, or as more probably the deepest great lake at the bottom of Moria, the remains of what was left of the former inner sea (or part of that) at the earliest Arda form. I think the latter oceans were formed because of the gulfs led by the destruction of both Lamps, and also there was some outher sea/ocean around the main earliest only continent of the world (It seems that Almaren was sorrounded by sea, but it sorrounded by earth and then some other slimer stream of concentric water as a series of concentric circles: Almaren (land in the center), then the sea around Almaren, then the main only continent of Middle Earth with both the Lamps at its opposite poles around the central sea, and then MORE SEA, or Outer Sea around that land.) Then Melkor did havoc and the perfect simplest symetric form of Arda got broken in several continents and seas. I don´t know what actually had happened to Almaren is got also sunken or not, but the central sea somehow remained, and the Helcar and maybe Rhun inner seas were actually the gulfs created by the destruction of the Northern Lamp, rather the central sea around Almaren, and it makes sense why the Misty Mountains are so CENTRIC about all things that happen in Middle Earth and separate indeed the domains at its western side closer to the Valar and Illuvatar´s influence, and the eastern side being a more troublesome location continually worried by the Evil/Outer Influence, very much the same reason why Melkor builded them any way.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 4 жыл бұрын
The Encircling Sea/Ekkaia are still existent in the early Second Age and probably had in influence too in forming the oceans, but I see the Great Lake as sea too and it's described that the seas were moved (it would make sense that Belegaer formed in this process). To my knowledge the Sea of Helcar was a "crater" of Illuin (the northern Lamp). Ormal probably formed Sea of Ringil and that probably formed the Dark Land at some point. Even Beleriand was a troublesome region and Melkor could move relatively free in Middle-earth in early times. But ofc as said in the video they hinder the West. So I agree with your basic point (I mention it in the video too). The Sea of Rhûn existed in parallel to the Sea of Helcar (at least in Tolkien's later published notes). I think I even made a change to my maps, to correct this at some point.
@brovold72
@brovold72 5 жыл бұрын
One theory as to the (non-Saruman-related) malice of the Redhorn is revealed later, when the Fellowship comes before Galadriel and Celeborn: 'We long have feared that under Caradhras a terror slept." ~ The balrog sort of left its spiritual mark on the place, over the years uncounted it had dwelt there.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Yes a very good point too.
@GigaTrope
@GigaTrope 4 жыл бұрын
From the scene with Saruman/Caradhras in the movie FoTR (according to the internet): Saruman: "Cuiva nwalca Carnirasse; nai yarvaxea rasselya!" (Wake up cruel Redhorn! May your horn be bloodstained!) Gandalf: "Losto Caradhras, sedho, hodo, nuitho i 'ruith!" (Sleep, Caradhras, be still, lie still, hold your wrath!)
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 4 жыл бұрын
Quite interesting. They put some effort into details like these.
@phoule76
@phoule76 5 жыл бұрын
great vid, I love geography! ("realm" rhymes with "helm")
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you :) I know, I always say it it wrong. I can't get rid of the wrong pronunciation, probably because I heard it wrong too many times and memorized it that way as a kid xD Mybe next time ^^
@SophiaAstatine
@SophiaAstatine 5 жыл бұрын
Would be rad with a video discussing Eru Illuvatar.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Not a bad idea. I'll write it on the list :)
@jojo45180
@jojo45180 5 жыл бұрын
And what about a series about the history of Men from the first age to third/fourth age? It will be long and hard, I know, but epic too. Good video btw.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you :) It's on my list for quite some time, but right now I struggle a bit when it comes to extremely long videos and I hate to split them up. But I will make a video like this at some point.
@hrperformance
@hrperformance 5 жыл бұрын
Whenever ThePhilosophersGames uploads, its always a good day! I get so excited when I see the notification xD. Something to look forward to at the end of the day :). I haven't watched it yet but I am sure it is top quality as always. Sounds like a very interesting topic!
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words :) Let me know, how you liked it ^^ PS: Yes the topic is quite interesting, I would have loved to include the White Mountains though, but I had no time (next week I'm quite busy)
@acheaenmt
@acheaenmt 5 жыл бұрын
you're the best
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, you too :)
@rodriguezvictor86
@rodriguezvictor86 4 жыл бұрын
Just trying to improve this channel because I really like its contents. If I may make you a friendly suggestion: I value and thank you deeply for your effort to pronunciate Tolkien's names correctly. But notice the way you say "Sauron" along with the way you say "Durin". The way you say "Sauron" sounds right and the way you say "Durin" sounds wrong because it sounds more like "Du[RR]in". Spanish is my native language so I'm very familiarized with the use of the alveolar "R". The use of the single "R" its not to be exagerated because then it starts to sound like a double "R" (or "RR"). So when you say "Mordor" you ought to be careful not to say "Morrdorr". You got it most of times when you pronounce "Sauron" or "Melkor". Sorry if I bother you. We can still discuss the technical and linguistical details if you want. Thank you so much for this content!
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 4 жыл бұрын
No problem and thank you :) Tolkien says in Appendix E, that the R represents a trilled r in all positions (which is strange). While in other languages the R becomes often more of a voiced alveolar tap inside or at the end of a word, in Tolkien's languages this seems different. He explicitly states the trilled r appears in all positions. However some people really dislike the R trill sound, so I often try to reduce it to a tap as a compromise. In some words like Sauron it works very well, but I have immense trouble cutting the the trill to a flap in certain words while reading. Mordor is a good example for it - esp. when I focus on delivering the English sentence. So I'm a bit inconsistent at times and sometimes unable to do it. For Mordor I would trill the first R and tap the last, but I can't and often end up trilling both, because the trill is easier for me.
@emanueleabrami8355
@emanueleabrami8355 3 жыл бұрын
Also Beorn is related to Misty Mountains
@vasilitheocharis2773
@vasilitheocharis2773 5 жыл бұрын
ThePhilosophersGames I always wonder what exactly happen with Dark Lands and the Land of sun.What happened there?Inhabit or not?Can you create a video about it.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Good question. I'll put it on the list. I only know about a few things that probably happen there, but maybe some research can reveal more :)
@vasilitheocharis2773
@vasilitheocharis2773 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames maybe colonized by Numenoreans or other humans?
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
@@vasilitheocharis2773 Númenor explored Arda and probably those continents a bit (they mention the Gates of Morning and mountains called Walls of the Sun). Also Shelob's mother Ungoliant went into the South. Some theorize, that she went into the Dark Land. beyond that nothing is known of the Dark Land and the Land of the Sun.
@vasilitheocharis2773
@vasilitheocharis2773 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames Dark Lands and Lad of sun remind me in our world Australia and other lands colonized by Europeans.I think Tolkien I flueced from that
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Yes that's possible. Antartica could also be in inspiration, esp. when these continents are uninhabited (ofc they probably have less snow and ice in Tolkien's world).
@Caleb_Evans32
@Caleb_Evans32 4 жыл бұрын
What about the Blue Mountains or the White Mountains? I've always been interested in learning more about the dwarves of the blue mountains especially after the first age.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 4 жыл бұрын
Yes the Blue Mountains are quite interesting in context of the First Age and the Destruction of Beleriand. I definitely want to cover those and the Dwarves in a video at some point. The White Mountains are also a very interesting place. We have a lot of unusual developments there. Like the Drúedain wandering there, the Oathbreakers and their origins, etc. Need to make a video about those mountains too :)
@Caleb_Evans32
@Caleb_Evans32 4 жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames First I just want to say how fantastic it is that you respond to comments on your videos even so long after they were uploaded. And yes the first age but in The Hobbit trilogy there is reference to the dwarves in exile making their home in the blue mountains. In general I think learning about the lesser known hosts of Dwarves would be very interesting.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 4 жыл бұрын
No problem :) I try to answer as many comments as possible, but it does not always work. Yes the Dwarves fled Khazad Dûm and returned. In the First Age they also had two big Dwarven cities (Nogrod and Belegost) there too, but parts of those mountains god destroyed, including the cities. Then they went to Kahzad-dûm.
@salvor5764
@salvor5764 3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if there is an etymological link between the sea of Helcar and the ice bridge of Helcaraxë? They seem too close to not be related
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 3 жыл бұрын
Yes "helcë" means ice and "helka" seems to mean "ice-cold"; "hel-" is to freeze. "Caraxë" means something like "jagged hedge of spikes" The creation of the Sea of Helcar is tied to the destruction of the Two lamps, to the Lamp Illuin. And n early versions Helkar is the tower of the lamp. So I assume that is where the name comes from and because it stood in the north it was cold there, that is maybe why the name seems connected to ice. Helcaraxë is translated with "Grinding Ice".
@salvor5764
@salvor5764 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames thanks!
@punisher6888
@punisher6888 3 жыл бұрын
You forgot about the goblin town inside the misty mountains
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 3 жыл бұрын
yes true, but I think the dwarf and orc operations are a topic for another video ^^
@Glantir
@Glantir 5 жыл бұрын
Will you be at the Tolkiens Day in Pont (NRW) ^^?
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Sadly no =/ Some private things are going on in my family right now, which I have to take care of
@darklordsauron398
@darklordsauron398 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video,I'm Gamer of gta sa I try to create silmarillion mods for game!
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you :) wow that sounds awesome ^^ had a good time with GTA: San Aandreas back in the day. Always nice to see that the mod community is still active.
@darklordsauron398
@darklordsauron398 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames but I don't why gamers don't use lord of the rings mod for San Andreas I'm the only one
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
I didn't even know one existed ^^ I have to try it :D
@coltendavison2717
@coltendavison2717 4 жыл бұрын
Mount doom made the ash clouds in the sky over Mordor and the Cracks of Doom was formed by a earthquake in the volcano 🌋 🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋🔥🔥🔥🔥☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is quite likely ^^
@PoopaChallupa
@PoopaChallupa 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Playing A record backwards..
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 4 жыл бұрын
:P
@elrondlordofrivendell2165
@elrondlordofrivendell2165 5 жыл бұрын
The true question is... is Arda flat or a ball?
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Complicated topic, but it started flat and then when Númenor was destroyed (by god), god changed the shape of the world to a sphere (also moving Aman to the Unseen), so nobody except the elves and Ainur could reach Aman anymore (the men of Númenor tried to go there and claim immortality). This was in the second half of the Second Age. However Tolkien worked on a "Round World Version" in the background, where Arda was always round, but he never finished it and probably abandoned it too. So I wouldn't consider it "canon". PS: Thanks for commenting too :)
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
@evansdrad The celtic nationalist Yes correct. he is called Eru Ilúvatar, sometimes only Eru or only Ilúvatar.
@Stabu
@Stabu 5 жыл бұрын
"If you want to subscribe consider pressing the stupid bell" :D
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
I really hate it :D but if you upload only 2-4 videos per month, it's actually important, if people want to get notified
@YourOldUncleNoongah
@YourOldUncleNoongah 5 жыл бұрын
every time you show that artwork of Morgoth....is it just me or is that Jude Law?
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, could be, I don't know where Kimberly80 took inspiration for this painting. PS: just checked the comments of her deviant art page and yes she confirmed it ^^ www.deviantart.com/kimberly80/art/Melkor-388446612 (on page 2)
@turkishpornxplogamesmom6597
@turkishpornxplogamesmom6597 5 жыл бұрын
No the art of Jude law is not for morgoth but for sauron you are wrong.
@YourOldUncleNoongah
@YourOldUncleNoongah 5 жыл бұрын
@@turkishpornxplogamesmom6597 Point is, its Jude Law though yeh?
@vasilitheocharis2773
@vasilitheocharis2773 5 жыл бұрын
@@YourOldUncleNoongah yes
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