A Morghul Blade... It will never heal completly

The only silver lining I see in it is that the non-healing wound keeps me thinking about and revisiting it..

@@anoushkas8726 As much as I would love to, I can't bring myself to re watch it. That wound will never heal.😮‍💨

The 1st 4 seasons of Game of Thrones was the greatest television ever made. Its downfall after that gave me PTSD.

Thank the drowned god that the books exist even without a conclusion yet. They are so worth reading and rereading imo

couldn't have said it better myself Mark

Thank you and folks saying it’s been heavily foreshadowed just don’t get her character at all yes dany has been ruthless which you’ve gotta be when you’re in war and have to show your power but to say she’s insane and wanna kill a bunch of women and children because of bells is so stupid, like she immediately charges to the red keep and instead of going to kill Cersei she burns a bunch of people like what sense did that make the execution was awful and you could see in certain scenes that dany wasn’t on drogon

@@ACinemafanatic This is what I dislike about the Mad Queen theory: the mad part. I think insanity is a cheap, lazy plot device to have characters do illogical things without having to explain it beyond "oh, she's crazy". I can live with ruthless Daenerys, but not mad Daenerys. And even the real history which inspired Martin has an interesting equivalent to Daenerys: King Henry VII of England. What's very interesting about him is this: he's a very paranoid individual, no one likes him, BUT he never became a homocidal psychopath. He'd rather fine his enemies than kill them. At the end of the day, Henry took a kingdom in turmoil after decades of civil war and stabilized it, filled its coffers and left his son, Henry VIII the first peaceful/uncontested transfer of power after a very long time. No one liked him, but he was a competent king. He was devious and paranoid, but not insane. I think an equivalent ending for Daenerys would be much more interesting: she wins the throne and becomes a competent ruler, but she never finds peace of mind, popularity, love, safety (embodied by the house with the red door in the books).

i hate the mad queen arc cuz nothing in the books everrrrrrrr talks about dany becoming evil or like her father at allllllllllll so so many readers discuss and dissect every dany chapter word for word and i don't mind even recommending some

Accurate

The entirety of season 7 and season 8 should have been delegated to the coming of winter and the long night. Make it actually long. Like a near full season of just night and dread. Let that be part of the spark that sends Daenerys down the path of mad queen, as she keeps sacrificing more and more for the realm that doesn't trust her, doesn't support her, doesn't take the winter seriously at her expense -finally clashing with her losing her 2nd dragon to Cersei using a moment of weakness to her own benefit, promising to send aid but instead takes out a dragon because it was finally convenient for her to do so when Daenerys was weak and torn between fighting the death in the north, and seeking aid form the south.

I had images of the north falling and the walkers spreading further and further south. Clearly I overestimated their abilities

And what would you see? Zombies walking aroud, kill and change everybody and ....than rule kingdom of zombies? Not very interesting...

​@@Real_MisterSir They literally could have done so much. Draw on things like the Eastern Front of World War 2 or Napoleon's Campaign in Russia. Show how brutal and how much a meat grinder this war is, how the characters battle the elements and enemies

@@Real_MisterSiryea a whole season of them dealing with the long night and the night king would of been absolutely epic ..they should have lost the battle at winterfell raised the stakes the dead enveloping more n more of Westeros forcing all lords to unite under Jon aka azora hai ..winning just by a thread with Jon dueling the night king and able to land a killing blow with the help of Arya ..don’t know what to do with Danny tho ..but Cersei should been wrapped up before the night king …he was the final boss …

The whole Sansa arc was a f up, she should have outwitted Little finger in the Eerie and be the one who leads the Vale into battle with the Boltons. Not because of any Feminist bollocks but because it would be right. Jon and his boys head South, recover Osha and Rickon then send a Raven to the Vale requesting help. Aryas story is in Kings Landing and should only reunite at the end.Bran should stay stuck in a tree warging and using his powers, he certainly shouldn't be King in fact the Monarchy destruction should be the end.

​@@dmac3183 Exactly. Sansa's been in King's Landing this whole time observing politics. Her arc should have been about learning from Cersei and Littlefinger how to be a political powerhouse, ending in her outwitting Littlefinger in a "student becomes the master" type arc.

@@scarymonsterzz and that scene of her in the white dress getting r#### was outrageous and distasteful, only done for shock value and online interaction. Jamie, Jon , Sir Barristan, Varys and so many others were mistreated as characters, and the Dorne plot was a waste of talent.

And clearly it didnt make her smart at all. If anything she was dumber then she used to be as a naive northern princess.

Sansa saying that almost made me fall off my chair. If she feels that way, what was the dog face biting thing all about then????????

We kinda forgot about Palpatine.

The cracks were everywhere in 7 too, in hindsight

You're just mad because Daenerys died, Arya killed the night king and Jon lived beyond the wall. Thats it.

😂😂😂😂 true!!!

Somehow people didnt understand GoT.

That would’ve been incredible

Now this would have been good! Arya was supposed to kill Cersei, not the Night King.

I appreciate the thought but I would think that Jaime being like 16 inches smaller and 50 pounds lighter would probably have aroused suspicion. XD

@@MiketheratguyMultimedia it would be the actor who plays Jaime, pretending to be Arya

@@moon-moth1who wants to watch a show which will have a terrible ending 😂

Yep. And the White Walkers and Night King were nothing more than a Snoke from The Last Jedi. Really pathetic.

seriously this is beyond dumb of them. In Game of Thones a normal winter lasts 10 years... The Long Night is supposed to be the 1000 year winter of death... oh wait nope its over before it even reaches The Neck. Just willful stupidity and the pitch black battle is not even that well done. Fuk Dumb and Dumber

It was like an average night long battle. The only excuse-interpretation i can make is that they were battling for around 7 hours so the night felt looonger than usual

@@SombraCheeks actually an eternal winter of death but yes. The original Long Night set during the first invasion of the White Walkers and threats beyond the wall in the show’s mythology was about 1000 years which it lasted before they were defeated and retreated back to the undead kingdom and before the magical wall was built to prevent another attack from happening.

Short night

The worst part is no one would have had an issue with them being burned out and stepping down handing the reigns to another who would do the ending justice. But no their ego had to end it on their shitty rushed turns ruining a decade of investment on a storyline

@@NoSyrupLeft true, they even got offered an extra season (or two?) by HBO who clearly were very worried the ending was being rushed and wouldn't be given enough time with just that short final season. Massive egos. So many talented people could have stepped in and done an amazing job. Can't imagine how much money they lost for everyone involved. I am just one fan but I know I would for sure own the Prime 1 Night King statue at this point if they hadn't ruined the character

​@@Siile_ HBO was down for 10-13 seasons, George has said repeatedly you'd need 10 to do the story justice.

@@damonlongstreet8630 it's so depressing to imagine what could have been with two extra seasons or more

Idk if Star Wars played the crucial role, they seemed burned out either way. Doesn't make them look less dumb though

It Is a good series. But I still worry they won't stick the landing

Please try, it's really good, and dumb and dumber are not the directors

Yes, exactly! I didn't even bother watching ANY tv shows at all. After having followed Game of Thrones for SEVEN years (I started in 2012), week after week, year after year, I can't bring myself to watch a "long" tv show now. Because what's the point, right? What's the point of investing yourself so much emotionally into a show just to risk being disappointed at the end. I loved Game of Thrones so much... and D&D broke my heart.

i completely understand this. i was the same way, i read the books and watched all 8 seasons, and when i heard house of the dragon was coming out, i assumed the worst. fast forward to about a week ago, i picked the show up and cant stop watching it lol. so far they haven't fumbled yet but they are apparently changing a few things from the book which makes me nervous

@@RodHammett95 just don't forget that GOT gave you 5 seasons (years) of intense intrigue. As long as R.R. stays with house or dragon's I stay hopeful. AND karma came around and dumb and dumber got dumped from star wars, and from Netflix for their slave series show. They fumbled GOT for NOTHING.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the MUH killed me

The magic of the world doesn’t need to all be explained, but the bran thing definitely needed to. He supposed to be a librarian type warlock/wizard for humanity that also keeps info and history safe from evil supernatural beings and forces such as the White Walkers. But nothing came of it. Why the F does a storyteller make a good king?!?! 🤷‍♂️🤦 It’s like if a good published author was immediately put into office as President despite not having the qualifications nor a proper run of an election. It’s stupid. Bran was interesting as a character born with supernatural abilities and natural magic within him similar to other wargs, but he practically did nothing with it. All he did was take over the minds and bodies of animals and sometimes astral projection. No further powers he demonstrated such as potentially telekinesis, pyrokinesis (which would be useful against ice zombies especially), and also that time traveling using his powers didn’t amount to much. Why introduce time travel to a high fantasy world?! It at first seemed like just seeing into the past, but clearly he was unintentionally interacting with the world and events but yet stops. At least with Harry Potter they only did the time watch thing once because too many meddlings with time could create chaotic problems and paradoxes and diverging timelines which could harm their present. Bran was wasted.

@ParkerCS2 Yeah, you're right. The magic didn't need completely revealed, but Bran, being a glorified animal spy, was useless for sure. It's so boring and stupid. They could've done a lot more.

@@curtthechameleon yes. Also in the book there are some similar naturally gifted supernatural powered people who could change like werewolves into different animals which some of the starks were. I don’t know the exact name but they were like wargs but instead of controlling minds of people and animals they could turn into animals and fight in those forms. So much from the books they left out the HBO version.

Yeah, that and Fatty boring AF getting a major character arc filled with nothing but boring & pathetic cliché... Whoa, he became another worthless maester.

Bran who nobody ever guesses would be ruler because he is so boring and was missing for one entire season. You're right, the raven thing was never explained. If he could see everything then he is to blame for not warning anyone about Danny's atrocity at kings landing amongst countless other bad things.

Forgotten? I don't think so. This is a classic show. The general audience loves it still.

@@lampard4 everyone ive talked to in real life and asked about GoT has completely abandoned the show and its IP. its a small sample size but of 25 people no one cared about GoT anymore

@@lampard4 Its an ok old show but it is no Acolyte.

​@@lampard4the show still has its fans but it's difficult to re-watch. My girlfriend wanted to watch it with me, and I just cringed

Sitting at over a 9 on imdb and its prequel is the most popular and well received currently airing western live action tv show.... forgotten by who?

Yes it’s awful. And it’s a shame because I love early Thrones so much. It almost kills the replay value. I now get about half way through season 5 and just start over from episode 1.

And yet despite them rushing through every plot line, they still managed to pack half of Season 8 with filler. Most of the important things happened off screen, and all of the stupid or pointless things happened on screen. Just a master class of bad writing.

For me it felt like a powerpoint presentation, with a few bullet points replacing a whole story.

@@octavianpopescu4776 I remember seeing a video of the South Park guys talking about BAD storytelling, if your story goes - and this happened, and then that happened, and then this happened, it means you're doing it wrong...which is exactly how the last couple of series felt

I tried to rewatch it and see if that made it better, but it actually made it worse. You’re right to just leave it in your memory. 👍

We've been saying this for years lol

..... they kicked him out of the writers room after s4

Problem is they stopped listening to him and threw out his original outline because he didn't like the direction they were taking especially with Little finger selling Sansa to the Bolton's. That did not sit well with him and they would not listen and so he left.

"...the time they had because they turned down HBO's offer for more episodes"*

They didn’t even run out of book material. Seasons 1 and 2 roughly adapted to A Game of Thrones and A Clash of Kings respectively. Seasons three and four split up A Storm of Swords. Season 5 stuffs parts of A Feast For Crows and A Dance of Dragons while season 6 is mostly new material with bits of leftover book plot conveniently peppered peppered throughout. If they had adapted Feast and Dance as thoroughly as they did the first three, they could have gotten two to three more seasons of just book material. Where needed for pacing they could have gone off the rails a bit but so much never made it from page to screen and it sucks.

'Alas! there are some wounds that cannot be wholly cured,' said Gandalf.

Hey I watched it a week after you. I had to realize it’s been 5 years and a week

​@@alexabood2516 Math isn't your strong suit, is it?

To be fair 2020 and 2021 kinda don’t count

@@TaeSunWoo We fast-forwarded some years there... The time jump between 2019 and last year was a wild narrative choice for the show we're living in

Well said.

Same. So many people knew I was a huge fan of the series, and any time it's brought up I get upset about it all over again.

I agree that s8 should have been longer and at least half should have been fighting the dead. And throwing away the prince that was promised lore and instead giving it to Arya because she was a fan favorite character was such a let down. bran and or Jon should have way more involved. Arya could.have cleared the way or took over for theon and defended bran until he did something useful.

@@stoneage8236 Yeah Bran was just bait basically. His "I must go now" worging scene did nothing at all.

And the darkest battle scene I’ve ever seen.

arya killing the night king made absolutely no sense to me

It’s a disgrace. Even the finale of season 7 the show was still on track with the White Walkers being the main threat. For them to discard that plot and expect us to be happy is mind boggling.

I always likened it to Han Solo killing the Emperor lol. Seems like lots of people had the same idea :( unforgivable

This is something people get mad about lol? That was one of my favorite parts!

@@SmartMarkSterling yes. Because it was lazy writing and ignored everything that was told to be about Jon as the prince who was promised. Why else was he brought back to life

People got mad because discarded the build up entirely, not to say all the mystery with the Night King.............. Well, fan theories will have to do

@@joncarter4389you mean, it wasn’t what you imagined so now you’re mad.

Star wars is doing fine with burning themselves without them

The Star Wars project they lost out on largely because of how they ended this show. It's one of the few bits of justice the fans get.

A "pyrhic victory" is the term you're looking for

Instant karma

How worst can Star Wars get...Disney is doing a great job at destroying their 4 billion bought franchise.

They owe everything in their lives after the pilot episode of GoT to the fans of the show.

They all say that now. Total misguided entitlement and hubris

Peter dink dinklage's reaction also threw me off. He said dumb shit like "people want a happy ending that's why they're mad" like m8 that's not even close to why people are mad, nobody expects a happy ending from this show but one that makes sense

@@Zizou19989he’s actually as*h*le not only with this commentary, but the way he treated people like him

@@Zizou19989cmon now, a large number of people wanted Jon to kill the Night King and then end up king. That’s as cliche as it gets.

Truly garbage 😂

It's fine. He didn't have that far to run. They were able to hang out on the ice for a few minutes and wait.

Some say Gendry is still rowing to this day

Naw, the show remained great and y'all are arrogant for thinkin you know better.

@RevJ7 low quality bait

​@RevJ7 and you are slow for thinking you don't

Rage Bait = Desperate Attention Seeking

@@RevJ7 Average Jon fanboi!😂😂

Shirtless Ramsay

Kinda like the fate of the US

When I think about the early seasons, bran for example having visions through the forest, so magical, surreal, eerie and spooky, good memories binge watching it 😢

I’ve never seen a show truly fumble the bag so hard. The ending is so bad that I can’t bring myself to rewatch the show because I know where all of those plots end up going

Really?

​@@dorjjodvobatkhuu6457Yes. There's even a video where Dumb and dumber tell the story. They actually didn't say the actor's name, but oh yes.

Now that you mention this I honestly think Arya dying there would have been an impactful plot point. The younger sister in her hubris tries to be a hero and fails, it would rally the remaining Stark siblings. John watches his beloved little sister die and in a moment of grief and rage finishes off the Night King. Also would've given the Red Witch's green eyes prophecy a new meaning if Arya herself is resurrected and must be killed 'closing blue eyes'. Like this big bad that tormented John for years kills like two named characters in this fight. And Theon is the only one with any real connection to the starks. Would have also had a major impact on Sansa as the two sisters plot lines were intertwined to start. Then the inevitable confrontation in King's landing could have been one of the Stark's kills Cersei in Arya's honor. We could see someone else inheriting Needle. There's just so much they couldve done in that moment.

@@devanburris6596 exactly right

@@devanburris6596 Sounds pretty good. Too bad we got B-grade Mary Sue femunism and lazy crap instead.

@@devanburris6596Arya’s character should never have been involved with the White Walkers, Jon Snow storyline in the first place. D&D didn’t even look so far into it. They just chose arya because nobody would think her would it. The same way nobody thought bran would become king. Subverting expectations is a great literary tool, but not when it is clichéd. Would you like a show with cliffhangers each and every episode? A great writer knows how to use all the elements of literature in varying degree to craft a great story, D&D does not. Their awful last season put stupid ideas in your heads. Winter being no big deal in the end is the biggest fundamental issue with GoT as a show and it impacts the prequels significantly as well.

@@Russeren01 Jons story was all about the Long Night and the North. Arya was all about avenging the deaths of her family. Seriously Arya's storyline was for her to become an Assassins and get revenge on the people that wronged her. That's the point of her prayers at night before she sleeps. Saying the names of the people she plans to kill on her list. Her relation to the Night king was simply do to the fact he was a big threat to the world. Be she never even met the guy only in that last moment they even met face to face. It was clear to everyone he was Jon's main Antagonist and nemesis from the get go, the second Jon killed that Wight in Castle Black. An him heading North and uniting making peace and a alliance with the Wildlings. An gathering the means to prepare for the most important conflict in Westeros. It would have made more sense if Arya had instead gone to to Kill either Cersei or most likely, Daenerys as she has become a great threat cause she destroyed Kings Landing and killed 95% of the cities population.

Oh wow that would have been epic!!

What they did to Jamie at the end hurt me the most.

I can only imagine 😢

Omg how emotional it would be a Cersei and Jamie fight, a fight to the death at that

That's what it felt like they were building up to.

Exactly. The pleasure of paying close attention to a tv show is picking up those breadcrumbs and shouting “I KNEW IT! Didn’t I say! YESSSS” at the screen when you are right. Not… being surprised because something comes out of nowhere for no reason? Yeah, shock value, but then you sit there more confused the more you think about all those little things you picked up on. And there is no rewatchability unless you have those threads to follow, so nobody buys the dvds or keeps the streaming views up. The only thing you get through pure surprise is a momentary trend on Twitter.

The exact opposite of the Brandon Sanderson approach, where every big reveal is hinted stronger and stronger as the book/series goes by, until the result is clearly correct and inevitable.

@@jorgemontero6384Sanderson has even more filler writing than second 6-7 though

Honestly, I feel like they just saw how much people liked the way the series subverted expectations in the first few novels/seasons and wanted to continue the trend, but never quite grasped WHY people like them. Kind of like M. Night and his use of twist endings. He had success with twist endings in his earlier movies, but then seemed to think that he had to add a twist ending in pretty much EVERYTHING he put out while not putting nearly the same care into those twists as his previous works. They fell into the trap of thinking that it was the writing device itself that people enjoyed, rather than how well those writing devices were implemented. Subverting expectations by smoothly weaving the twists and turns into the narrative in a way that's logical and consistent is great. Subverting them purely for the sake of subverting them without giving any consideration to what has been established in the narrative or where the narrative needs to go afterwords is poor writing.

@@linpittsburgh2375 a proper subversion should leave you with a feeling of "I should have seen that coming" and that can be just as satisfying as "I knew it". What we got in the last seasons of GOT was not "I should have seen that coming" it was "where the hell did that come from". that is a pretty big difference.

hbo was so wrong to give alot of power to them

They should remake season 5-8 and make it animated. Have everyone back to voice act.

They didn’t just rush the ending, they made it bad, very very bad and awful.

I honestly wouldn’t be opposed to HBO redoing the last few seasons.

Numnut. GRRM has full rights ... to all of the Shows ... and approves episodes & Seasons. You have been listening to the bs from the fake news media. Season 6 had caught up to Book 6 of 7 ... and GRRM ... did not want TWOW to be spoiled. So nothing in the last two seasons ... is in the books. And any truly ridiculous plot armor ... means ... that person will die in the books. Armor like Dany being watched by the Night King land on the ground in front of him.

truly a song of ice and fire.

He didn't "decide" to do it. He's being made to by his innumerable commitments. He has more big commitments than you and me combined. Or would you order he speed wrote everything just to be done?

@@randomlyentertaining8287 when you have authors like brandon Sanderson churning out thousand + page novels at an extremely high quality level every few years yea. I expect him to be able to produce a single book within a 15 year time frame despite "commitments" that he keeps agreeing to to distract him from his work.

@@randomlyentertaining8287 He’s had 13 years to finish this book, and he confirmed he stepped away from the in 2014 to focus on writing the book which still isn’t finished. You could film the entire HBO show in the time it’s taken him to write this book. This includes writing, casting, costuming, visual effects etc. If you’re going to give Martin a pass for not finishing his book in 13 years, are you going to give D&D a pass for only having less than a year to come up with the story between seasons? Whereas Martin has had 13 years and we still haven’t gotten TWOW.

Before the show even started it was clear the books would not be finished before the show ended. I still remember how at season 2 i looked up the release dates of the books and immediatly realized the show writers would have to make plans how to conclude the series independently of the books. Appearantly the show writers had less foresight than some random mildly interested fan.

T roo

All of this. Why is hardly anyone bashing the last two season's mention this They bailed and a show that should have had 40 more episodes got 13...

Yes, thank you. What bothers me about the disappointment/hate for the last season(s), which I share, are the Dany-Stans who are just bitter about their Queen not ending up on the throne as the savior of Westeros. Can't wait for Martin to finally finish up and prove that Dany's fate in the show wasn't just because of bad writing.

Don't get me wrong, Benioff and Weiss rushing to get to their Star Wars project definitely caused problems rushing the pacing and bad story decisions, but them taking their time, stretching it out another season, etc., would not have fixed the show or given us a great Season 8 & 9. Every single problem with the final few seasons in Game of Thrones can be attributed to running out of source material. GRRM wrote some extremely smart & complex characters. What happens when you run out of source material and the writers are substantially dumber than the characters they are writing? The answer is those 'smart characters' start acting dumb, because that's all those writers know. I don't think D&D has any inclination of writing original material to end the show. GRRM said the show being several seasons long would give him time to finish the books. It could be that the rushed ending was just D&D "ripping the band-aid off" as they knew they were not up to the task of giving the show a satisfying ending without Martin's material.

I think that it started becoming apparent in season 4/5 that the showrunners didnt realize why the story was so captivating and the reasons for their success. On the bright side, we got 3 good seasons of television, but i think the way to go would have been to split the show after season 3 or 4 to have miniseries following each character would have been more along the lines of what d&d could handle, but getting writers would have been a really helpful hire as well as consulting with experts or wven history books to learn about the logistics of medieval life and battle tactics would have been helpful

Just watch it what’s wrong with you lol. Don’t get so infested. You already spent so much time watching, just finish it. I’ve never been crying so much I stopped a show near the end lol

@@constantinc9034let him be, he can decide what to watch

It feels like there is this whole other faction that may actually be related to the undersea creatures. Varys, Patchface, Manderlys, that we didn't get in the show. There has to be some special reason why Varys was chosen to be cut, and it is probably based on his Blood. Could be Kings Blood as we are told it is powerful, but what King was it. Could be Targaryen..BlackFyres... or maybe even a king of a different realm...

@@smithgdwg I mean varys is basically a targaryen name. Could be he purposefully shaves his head to hide his blonde targaryen hair

Black or red, a dragon is still a dragon.

@@hypothalapotamus5293 i was gonna suggest he was a blackfyre next but we really dont know that lol

@@moon-moth1 Because they got ahead of the books written by an intelligent person and wanted to just end the series

Don't Forget, They believed they knew better then the creator and kicked him out of the writers room.

Did they ruin 3 body problem? I didn’t bother watching once I heard they were the show runners

@@christiandonaldson2157 Supposedly they did alright

For anyone who would've not seen Dany going mad and Jon ending up on the iron throne? Have you been paying attention? Have ya"ll seen the red wedding? Seen the first episode where Bran gets dropped from a window? The butcher's boy getting killed for nothing? People getting skinned alive where a house takes pride in it. Ok, nobody likes them but nobody stops them either.

​@@christiandonaldson2157I couldn't even finish the first season. Just very formulaic and contrived. It's not horrible but not very good either. It also felt like an almost big bang theory portrayal of scientists. Very difficult to take the show seriously.

Such a disappointment. She was a good character.

Bingo

The skilled she trained for gets used once and I guess she just kinda forgot, but unlocked the Mary Sue

John should have done it with snow zombie (I don't remember his name, night Walker king fella) and Arya should have dealt with the mad queen it would make more sense. He was the prince that was promised ( dealing with night Walker king) she was the strong assassin who did what was necessary with feeling in question. It feels like show runners just did it to surprise us. just like gossip girl was dan humpfree and not her(Ryan Reynolds wife's) brother.

​@@MyNameIsSatoruGojolmao ill never take seriously the Dan Humphrey being gossip girl.

Underrated comment

totally underrated

First I laughed because I’m an Eagles fan, then immediately got sad because I’m an Eagles fan lol

Like Spurs fans, trying to watch 2013.

I'm in the same boad. I rewatched seasons 1-4 three times while the series was still airing. I don't think I'll ever watch another episode of GoT and I have no interest in House of the Dragon. There are other series with bad endings that don't ruin the whole experience for me, but GoT always felt like it was building to some grand conclusion. That's a huge part of what made it so good, the way things were setup and pieces came together. Then the end was so profoundly unsatisfying, it just makes me sad even thinking about rewatching any of it.

Cowboys stay catching strays😂😂😂

I personally thought season 6 was a return to form after season 5.

Who then wasnt even killed by Arya.. The building fell on her 😑😑

The amount of plot armor Cersei had was insane

See that's just good writing

I still greatly hated her ending

Yeah wtf was that all about!? I'm CONFIDENT it's just the easiest way for them to get rid of the actress, just like they did to Barristan Selmy. It's such a lazy ending for a character, and this is coming from someone who's indifferent about her character. It also further highlights how Bran shouldn't be king! If they chose to establish that Bran doesn't know the first thing about basic human empathy and other emotions, then they should stick to that decision and NOT make him king. On what earth is it rational for someone who doesn't know jackshit about compassion to rule over life and death matters for millions of people!

Bran forgot 💀

She's better off. Imagine hanging out with that robot

I can’t even talk about how Jamie ended up getting back with Cersei what the actual F. I thought it was Arya wearing his mask after killing him off screen. Imagine my surprise when it was actually him and a pile of rocks killed them. Jesus.

@@Jules2439.5 i never even considered that but even that would have been better

Jon the man from the prophecy (and the franchise is called a song of ice and fire, that also represents someone who is Stark and Targaryen) and Arya the girl that trained with best assassins to get revenge on Cersei got done dirty by the writers that wanted to subvert expectations just because

@@DjunisBREyea her face swapping ability really went nowhere other then the Freys.

@@DjunisBREwell techs ally according to George the song of ice and fire represents the white walkers and the fire represents Daenerys

If they used the 80s HBO intro, that would be awesome!

lol 2 more seasons of a made up hollywood like tv show sine the last two books in the series aren't even finished yet. People keep forgetting that it was the adaptation of the books that worked so well for HBO.

@@Naut1co yes man that's true they didn't have the last two books but george rr martin was working with them and even he said the show could go for like 13 seasons and the minimum would be like 10 seasons.

@@PA.69 not just George but HBO wanted it to continue as well. If those hacks D & D knew they were burnt out. They should've passed the show on to another team to finish.

@mydreaminorbit9297 Yeah, they wanted the credit!!

We missed so much content of just characters talking. Talking like how they talked before the battle at Winterfell. Don't forget this is the place where winter fell.

R/freefolk

Copium

Yeah idiots think the last season was the only bad one, but 5 onwards were just as bad.

I started reading the series in 2001. My daughter is named Arya. I have a cat named Tywin. I’m obsessed with the source material. The last 4 seasons horrified me. And the some of the smaller changes infuriated me (Arya killing Polliver in place of the Tickler for one). I hated that the Nights King was a thing. There should not have been an easy out for the long night.

@@rhaenyratargaryen1stofhern55 well if you want to fully endulge your hate for it... I recommend "Glidus" on KZfaq! You may find some amazing entertainment! Also "Tywin" is the most perfect name for a cat... Holy shit this fits so perfectly to every cat I've ever known about... I wanna get a cat now, just so I can name him Tywin.

Instead they filmed numerous takes of him surviving a horde of whites by crying and whimpering in a pile of dead people that miraculously didn't include him.

That’s honestly a great idea I’ve never considered. Thank you random internet man

5-8**

"You perfectly summed up my issues with Seasons 7-8: The action only matters if you're invested in the characters and events as part of the overall narrative. Action for action's sake is a waste of time." I would alter this statement a little bit. "Action for actions sake in a show like Game of thrones is a waste of time". There are alot of franchises out there which contains basically nothing else than action. I dont think the Fast and Furios Franchise is comprised of fans which fawn over the fantastic Dialogs ( FAMILY!!!!!) or the MCU, which was the other big thing in the 2010s, with big budget action festivals. In which superheroes with superplot armor fought against a myriad of faceless antagonists. Game of Thrones premise shouldn´t have worked as a mainstream show. It is still amazing to me, that a show which can be bleak,slow,dialogue-heavy and brutal ( I mean in the very first episode a random guy was beheaded, a young woman was sold and taken by a big, wild guy and a young child was pushed out a window from a guy who just had sex with his twin)was capable of THAT SUCCESS that Game of Thrones had. In the later seasons, especially after speedruning through the source material the show became excatly that. A mainsteam, marvelized spectacle with basically Fast and Furios Dialogue.

not really, the show runners adapted the source material from the books. all the shock value moments and character development are from George's writing. George was one of the early advisers when they created this show. But you got to give the showrunners credit GOT is the best example of how to adapt source material

Just curious, what ending would you have preferred?

They had the highest peaks and the lowest of lows 💀

They simped for Kathleen Kennedy's Star wars. Nuff said

@@robertandrews5434something that, you know, made any damn sense

@Makers745 Bran becoming the king made plenty of sense. People wanted Jon to become king because his backstory screamed he should be king. But that wouldn't have been an R.R. Martin ending.

HOTD season 1 was pretty rushed.

If they didn't have illogical casting and raceswaps, I probably would have loved watching the new show. That's another reason why House of the Dragon has no hype.

Getting a-lot of that for HOTD season 2 where it’s actually really refreshing to see the character dynamics and depth similar to peak GOT.

@@american1207I disagree. I think it would have been too long if they stood in one timeline in Season 1.

Well, episode 4 of brought the peak of illogical stupidity to the show. Like... The last 15 minutes - apart from amazing visuals - were so horrendously stupid with certain actions and writing just so some things could happen... It was soooo painful. And guess what, reactors all over KZfaq loved it, claiming it to be legendary? Whaaaaaat?

I can buy that! Also, if you buy that dragons and their riders share a link, then Drogon lays eyes on the manifestation of the thing that obsessed his mommy in her dreams, and which, in essence, caused her death, and the deaths of his brothers. So bad pointy thing caused all this. Bad pointy thing must go. Poor Drogon, he's got no one left.

They say Drogon bonded with Jon when he let him touch him. His brothers are basically his twins. As for throne burning. They say Drogon and his brother are the reincarnation of Balerion. Balerion created it. Maybe he felt something in destroying it.

That is so incredibly stupid considering Jon is standing right there and he's about to kill him before he doesn't.

That's just stupid. Dragons are not THAT dumb. In Fire & Blood (the book on HOTD), it's well established that Dragons have quite an intelligence in them, especially the older and the more ancient they get. That's why Vhagar initally hesitated to burn Laena to death, because intellectually he was trying to object. That's why Balerion essentially kidnapped its own rider, Aerea, to visit its past home, the ruined Old Valyria. That's why Seasmoke is acting up when most likely Laenor has died half a world a way. And that's also why you don't need to give a detailed verbal instrutions of what you want your Dragons to do when fighting other Dragons. They're intellectually bonded with their riders and they have a sense of what is signalled in thoughts! Also Dragons have ONE rider at a time, EVEN IF they have acknowledged other Dragon riders. Without spoiling HOTD, by the end of the Dance, a Dragon will literally eat another Targaryen family member to death, by the order of ANOTHER Targaryen. There's no reason why Drogon didn't just kill Jon. Basically the finale is just a dumb writing oversight by Dumb and Dumber. And I'll never forgive them for it.

Daenerys was always cringe

Seriously! Did they really think that GoT needed a typical Boy-girl romance of the protagonists!! There was no place for it.

@@anoushkas8726but it was like destiny their storylines were mirrors of each other.

*Muh Queen*

I watched the first episode of this "show" after people were telling me how awesome it was. I said it right at the end: so fire girl and snow guy hook up and rule at the end. Never watched another episode, because this was basically soap opera. Until my girlfriend said I had to watch this one "amazing" episode. She gave me a modicum of back story and I said: so the king obviously kills the whole family, right? She just deflated. I never understood what people liked about this. It's terrible and predictable. The accents are atrocious and all over the map. Anyone seriously wanna claim that Tywin and Tyrion are even from the same country, let alone the same family? And come on, try, just TRY to convince me that Daenerys looks like a warrior queen in the slightest, with those puffy arms. This was an actress that had never lifted anything heavier than 25 lbs in her life, and it showed. Anybody really think Vaserys made it that far in life, in that world, with that personality? Get bent, this was a good show. Garbage.

I feel exactly the same way! I used to re-watch this show every night to put me to sleep. I could re-watch it 40-50 times and still loved it, then season 8, and just knowing how it all ends in such bullshit ruins the entire thing for me. I just wish they would fix these mistakes and make it right so I can respect the show again and enjoy these fantastic characters.

it was so bad i refused to watch house of the dragons up until a few weeks ago. i’m not even kidding i was so done with this series

lol... the funny thing is... u are right.... it all started with that stupid beard

@@vickdinvick5485yea he looked stupid with the beard but in books he actually starts having one in Season 2 technically

@@officialthomasjames ohh noo.... thats not the point.... the problem is not how he looks.... the funny thing i mentioned, and maybe its just coincidence... but his chara assassination started when he got the beard in the show

The king that never was.

The worst possible ending