Mr. Beats Volga German Ancestors in Russia and Kansas

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2 жыл бұрын

In this new series, I will be researching the family trees of fellow youtubers and showing the process as I go along. This series will be a tutorial on how to do genealogy research while also highlighting the interesting ancestral history of your favorite youtubers. This second season will feature Mr. Beat, whose channel focuses on history, politics, geography, and other topics related to social studies. In the first few episodes of this season, I will be building Mr. Beat's family tree using only DNA.
This seventh episode will look into Mr. Beat's Volga German ancestry which immigrated from Germany to Russia in the 18th century and then to Kansas in the 19th century. This episode also explores some of the non-German Volga Germans in Mr. Beat's ancestry, including an ancestor who was part of Napoleon's invasion of Russia and another ancestor who went from the Netherlands to Russia. We discover more about the lives of Mr. Beat's Volga German ancestors with assistance from Sean McGinnis, who wrote the book "The Founding Families of Catharine, Kansas". We also use sources from the American Historical Society of Germans from Russia (AHSGR) website VolgeGerman.net, the Ellis County Historical Society, as well as NorkaRussia.info by Steven Schreiber.
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@iammrbeat 2 жыл бұрын

You did such an amazing job. I am truly thankful for your dedication and professionalism. The other genealogists that helped you are also amazing. YOU ROCK.

@El-Djazir-Blobfish 10 ай бұрын

hi Mr beast give me money

@wuverrabbit 10 ай бұрын

Except you can tell he didn't do any of his own research, he's just copying from trees for the most part and he's not marking down how he's proving the relationship either.

@cefcat5733 2 жыл бұрын

The Germans, who now finally return to Germany from Siberia, speak Russian and have Russian customs. They get financial help to get started. In Siberia, they still, until today, experience discrimination, a good reason to leave. Until now, females could marry a Russian and get a Russian last name,thus hiding their maiden name, so that their children would be safer. Russians born in Siberia.. with last names like Wagner or Mozart, meaning that you are male and couldn't marry your last name away, also left for the same reason. They are a great bunch of people, better for having been there, as they have a great sense of humor, gained by being amongst Russians and by the experience. In Germany their strong Russian accents, while speaking German, make them appear to be Russian and so here comes another time of discrimination as 'foreigners' in their former German home. Now they learn the language of their German ancestors. Hats off to all ancestors who made the journey!

@zozifeliz 2 жыл бұрын

Most of them were from Kazakhstan

@cefcat5733 2 жыл бұрын

@@zozifeliz Perhaps, I will ask them when we have a reunion. Their language skills will be better by that time. Pandemic 3rd year now.

@zozifeliz 2 жыл бұрын

@@cefcat5733 It's just facts, find some information in Google.

@diannabeat227 2 жыл бұрын

As the mother of Mr. Beat, I was extremely interested in your research. You did an awesome job. Thank you for the time and effort you poured into this project. My mother had put together a book of research conducted by other family members and it is truly something to be cherished. I found of particular interest that there was no Indian line showing up in your research. I have a copy of a handwritten letter written by my grandmother’s (Mabel Whitcomb-Liebst) uncle (Jesse H. Whitcomb) answering her questions about her Indian background. He stated that his grandparents (Lewis Whitcomb) came from Indiana. Lewis married a “squaw by the name of Galltree”. (I’ve seen her name as Mary Galtry.) In his letter he also stated, “She was of the Powhatan tribe and related to Pocahontas who married John Rolfe and died on a ship on way home from England. Lewis went to California during the gold rush and wrote home to the family that he had struck it rich and would be coming home. He never made it home and was considered killed for his money.”

@jacobr5934 9 ай бұрын

Hi Dianna. I’m Volga German as well, and my grandmas last name is Schmidt. She lives outside of Scottsbluff Nebraska currently. Pauline Schmidt was her mother. I’m assuming we are distantly related, and just want to say… It’s good to meet you!

@CreoleKing1986 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, so I tested my mitochondrial DNA at familytreedna and it came back as a German haplogroup H16a. My 9th great grandmother on my maternal line is Marie Barbe Matz who came to Louisiana in 1720s from Germany. I noticed you discuss this name around 20:47 mark. I got a generic distance 0 match recently from Kazakhstan who said his family may have intertwined with the Volga Germans nearby!!! I'm so excited to see Matz listed here because she is my brick wall!

@alexj9603 2 жыл бұрын

Kazakhstan makes sense, as most of the remaining Volga Germans were deported to Kazakhstan during WWII. And the first names "Marie Barbe" sound very French. So maybe this person was actually from ersten France (Lorraine?) and just happened to emigrate through a German port.

@justiceforall007 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video! My grandmother was a Volga German, last name Scheidt. After leaving Russia they came to North Dakota, then moved to Fresno, CA, where they continued farming.

@GenealogistBuchanan 2 жыл бұрын

It reminds me of a story told by my father. In the 1930s immigrant settlements largely spoke their native languages, speaking English as a second language. On a wintery Sunday, a Swedish-speaking lumber camp was visited by some Russians, In halting English, they explained that their settlement had been damaged by a fire and they desperately needed lumber to rebuild. The Swedish foreman explained to his workers in Swedish. "I know that Sunday is your only day off work, but these Russians really need help. Would you be willing to load up their vehicles today?" They agreed. As the Russians were about to leave, the leader of the Russians spoke to them in Swedish, thanking them profusely. He explained, "Our community in Russia was settled by Swedish families at the time of Catherine the Great. And they continued to speak Swedish. When we realized that you also spoke Swedish, we did not want to distract you from the work.."

@greenbelly2008 2 жыл бұрын

Hi there. I´m from Entre Ríos (Argentina) of Volga German descent. My parents spoke a beautiful High German dialect. I met many Schmidts in my province.

@mistiroberts1576 2 жыл бұрын

I have German cousins in Argentina; My great grandpa was a Volga German but I am unsure if the cousins in Argentina went there from Russia or from Germany. I found out about them from uploading my DNA to geneanet

@greenbelly2008 Жыл бұрын

@@mistiroberts1576 I´ve found out a greatgrandmother´s brother went to live in Kansas from Russia. they were Catholics. Their surnames were Appelhans.

@omessiasdogol 10 ай бұрын

¿Sabés si el apellido Graf es común por ahí? Mi viejo me contó que mientras su abuelo (alemán del Volga) se quedó por el sur de Buenos Aires, sus tios abuelos fueron más para el norte, que podía ser ahí en Entre Ríos o en la región sur de Brasil.

@abcw114 2 жыл бұрын

God bless genealogists. What a labor of love his research and book were and it broke open the whole story of Mr. Beat's Volga German line. Amazing. 👏

@Richard-zm6pt 2 жыл бұрын

I love this series, and this final episode is great. The history of these Volga Germans is so interesting. Thank you for these vlogs and all your hard work.

@nothingbutmilk6576 2 жыл бұрын

The Volga (aka Saratov) Germans aren't the only settlement of Germans who lived in Russia and probably weren't the largest German settlement in "Russia". In the early 1800s, a large number of Germans from what is today Baden-Wurtemburg floated down the Danube, eventally arrived at Gross Liebenthal near Odessa, and from there settled throughout the Ukrainian steppe. Between 1890 and 1910, most of their descendants migrated to Nebraska, the Dakotas, and Canada's prairie provinces. Both the Univ of Nebraska and North Dakota State have academic initiatives addressing the various groups of Germans (Volga and Gross Liebenthal weren't the only German settlements) who first settled in the former USSR and then moved to North America, Weirdly enough, I have numerous "relatives" on Ancestry with people who are descended from both the Saratov and Ukrainian groups even though all my ancestors are Pennsylvania Dutch (i.e. Germans and Swiss who settled in PA between 1700 and 1750). These relatives are all single segment matches between 9 and 13 cM, so the common ancestor probably lived sometime in the 1600s. But it does suggest that emigration from Germany was a multi generation phenomenon that ran in certain familiies.

@JEREMY99218 2 жыл бұрын

My Father's mother's side (paternal grandmother) is Volga German (Block/Bloch, Kinsfather/Kindsvater). They immigrated initially to western Nebraska, then spent a couple decades in Wyoming and northern Colorado before ending up in southern Idaho. My Dad's Father's side is Black Sea German (Kulm, Kurtz, Bauder, Eisenbeis/Eisenbeisz, Keiss/Keisz) whose "German Colonies" were located in what is now Ukraine and Moldova. They immigrated (1885-1910) initially to eastern Washington, South Dakota, and one of my great-grandfather's brothers settled in northern Nebraska a few miles from the SD border. Large portions of the Washington families relocated to Idaho and Oregon in first couple decades after arrival because there was lots more land available, while eastern Washington lands were becoming crowded and already homesteaded.

@sarahcarnithan6771 Жыл бұрын

I just found this in my family tree on one of my mom's German branches. Most of what I found were in Odessa and Kherson. My direct branches stayed in Massachusetts. But I have found great great grand aunts and uncles going to Kansas and North and South Dakota. So interesting!!

@carrie-leehurzeler7413 2 жыл бұрын

I have Mennonite German relatives all over my Dad’s side that lived in Russia and emigrated to Canada as a result of losing that religious freedom.

@AngelavengerL 11 ай бұрын

This was such a cool and interesting series. I love how you started with the dna and ended with the family stories. These are the things that make it feel real and pertinent and not just names and dates.

@larryhb1 2 жыл бұрын

There is a similar community of Czechs from the Ukraine in Dunn County North Dakota. The US census list them as from Russia, but they all spoke Czech and brought their Czech traditions with them to North Dakota.

@NataliaNNS 2 жыл бұрын

It’s really cool that you included other genealogists that could contribute to the video and to the research in their own areas of expertise

@GeneaVlogger 2 жыл бұрын

It really is such a key to truly exhaustive research and just shows how collaboration is not only useful in expanding the family tree but also to understand the nuance of the family story. Thanks for watching 😀

@rettawhinnery 2 жыл бұрын

This was very interesting, possibly because I'm from Kansas as well as being a genealogist. Thanks for sharing.

@jamiepalmer9316 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting! I like the combination of genealogy and learning a bit about interesting events in history. Much like the way Finding Your Roots is structured.

@superduck6456 2 жыл бұрын

Sean McGinnis and I are from the same town in Kansas. 9:51 One of my great great grandparents was one of those 5 scouts who were sent to search around the us.

@MsSkipperkim 2 жыл бұрын

Not sure if you know, but Russia did 1 thing smart. They put the Lutherans on one side of the Volga and Catholics on the other. As you notice these groups don't marry outside their known circle of families. Also, there are records from Russia. I suggest contacting Brent Mai. He's pretty much an expert in the Volga Germans. What I learned recently, that when my ancestors moved to Russia when a Lutheran princess was in power and when they left another one was in power. Also, while in Russia you couldn't just move to a different colony. You had to apply to move.

@daylightmoon7285 7 ай бұрын

There were distinct Protestant and Catholic villages but not necessarily put on one side of the Volga or the other.

@chanaheszter168 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. European history is so complex and interlaced. One point, though. Jewish names, as spelled in Hebrew, are pretty consistent. I could show you a family tombstone from Cracow in the 1500s, with the same spelling still used today, and that name goes back into the middle ages.

@ParksLover 2 жыл бұрын

I started watching your videos recently because I'm a subscriber to Useful Charts. I have watched and enjoyed a lot of them already. This one is extra interesting to me because I've got significant German from Russia ancestry. Another place a lot of Germans from Russia emigrated to was North Dakota, which is where both sides of my dad's family ended up. I know there are also significant populations in Argentina and western Canada. Those who came to North Dakota (and I'm sure other places) tended to be very hard-working and resilient people, who mostly worked the land, raised large families, and continued to speak a form of German. Unfortunately besides the difficulties of life on the prairie before modern conveniences, they suffered additional hardship with the coming of World War I and anti-German sentiment. But they persevered, and German from Russia heritage remains very important in my state to this day.

@shannonbeat 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for doing this! It has been so interesting! 🧐

@krcmaine 2 жыл бұрын

Very cool! Looking forward to the next season.

@tangojuli209 2 жыл бұрын

There were 3 migration pushes to settle this newly conquered area. Catherine was concerned with stabilizing the area which already had muslim residents in many areas. She needed a bulwark against the Turks from whom she extracted this territory in 1760s. She was German and new there were germans who would jump at chance for their own land in war-torn Germany. So made the offer of free land, freedom in perpetuity from being drafting, freedom to speak their own languages, and practice their own religion. Eventually, there were over 200 colonies sorted by different religions (catholic, protestant, menonite etc) on Volga but also on Black Sea. As they expanded with offspring now needing land, there would be say Kandel, then Neu Kandel was settled. Under Catherine's grandson Alexander, he reneged on all the promises (draft, tax free, language privileges, etc) sending the Russian Germans fleeing. There was an anti-immigrant sentiment prompting Alexanders movement and it also triggered harsh treatment, sending many german russians to Siberia. (Many culturally different groups were sent to Siberia). My maternal grandparents were part of the fleeing germans. I spent a year studying all this to try to track them backwards to find out where in Germany the different families came...only to realize its all France now. Humans are predictable in one way--always always migrating.

@jacquelinebaker8879 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thank you so much for all your videos.

@DerekWitt 9 ай бұрын

I'm also Volga German. My great-great grandparents immigrated to Munjor, Kansas (southeast of Hays) from Obermunzich, Russia (about 12 miles downstream upstream from Saratov) in the 1870s. A few years ago, I emailed the Bishop of Saratov. He was also the Bishop of Munich. I asked him whether he knew of any records remaining of the Volga Germans. He understood my broken German. Unfortunately, he didn't know either. We both suspected those records were destroyed by Stalin during or before WWII.

@daylightmoon7285 7 ай бұрын

Contact AHSGR in Lincoln, Nebraska. They can help you with records. The records probably still exist as the communists kept meticulous records on their populations. A lot of the German records are stored at Samara University in Russia.

@TheJoshgol 2 жыл бұрын

This was a great series and I really learned a lot! I am looking forward to the season about Matt!

@LindaSchreiber 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating!!!! Thanks!

@shelleymonson8750 2 жыл бұрын

Quite fascinating!

@msartlit 2 жыл бұрын

Super interesting!

@DerDill 2 жыл бұрын

3:53 I guess because it is a volga german community the name is “Schieler (anglo. Shieler) Agnes”. Pretty common german name. 1:41 katharinenstadt. Respect for the pronunciation, just a small thing: in german we use to say “shp” to “sp” and “sht” to “st”. ( 4:19 also “Shtaab”)

@Logan-ed4pu Жыл бұрын

2:37 I live in Hays, and grew up in Victoria Kansas. Catharine is between the two, but slightly to the north. That town isn't just small. It's tiny. It's almost a blink and you miss it town lol. It's like 113 people now.

@natelazaro3253 2 жыл бұрын

A lot of people don't realize that before WW2, there were Germans all over eastern Europe. My maternal grandparents were Donauschwaben, Germans who lived in Yugoslavia. Their families had been living there for hundreds of years. After the war, Opa (Grandpa)'s mom was killed in Rudolfsgnad, the largest of 8 concentration camps for ethnic Germans in Yugoslavia. Opa's father had been killed is Werschetz during the war in 1944 along with most of the men from Opa's village. Opa managed to escape through Europe, nearly getting himself killed on many occasions, before making it to Austria. Many of the Donauschwaben women were sent to work camps in Russia. This was all done because of what the Nazi's had done to Slavs in the area. Sometimes, when I talk to people about this, they say that they got what they deserved; because of the holocaust. But most of the Donauschwaben, including my relatives, were not loyal to the Nazis; only having been in the Nazi army by draft. Most people tend to forget that the first country the Nazis invaded was their own.

@cefcat5733 5 ай бұрын

Now I have to go ask a friend, if his family is from a Volga German group. It would mean, that some were so happy to be back in Germany, that they stayed, in Berlin or Bremen, or somewhere along the way. Pretty interesting, with the historical events included.

@strauchs95 8 ай бұрын

Hearing this, as a Wolga German myself. My Grandmother knows so much about the deportation and the really REALLY good life before that. The Kazakh people were really nice as well.

@daylightmoon7285 7 ай бұрын

There are still many Germans in Khazakstan.

@omessiasdogol 10 ай бұрын

I am Argentine and also a Volga-German descent. My great-grandfather went with his brothers to South America to end up in different parts of Argentina and Southern Brazil where there was and still is a strong German influence. Meanwhile, my great-grandmother came here when she was at her young age (16). Both met each other here 🇦🇷 and were fleeing from WWI and as well the Civil War caused by Bolsheviks.

@daylightmoon7285 7 ай бұрын

I am a Volga Deutsch decendant. I would love to visit the Volga Deutsch and their farms in Entre Rios and other areas of Argentina. They are hard-working people. Saludos!

@emileeprovencher5942 2 жыл бұрын

I just found out that I am a Volga German descendent -- I always thought we might be connected to the Mennonites but my G-gma was adamant the we were not ---- Turns out she was right

@nothingbutmilk6576 2 жыл бұрын

Actually you might have a Mennonite connection - some of the Volga German settlements (although not Saratov) were originally settled by Mennonites who eventually left that religion. (even today in the US around one quarter of the children born into Old Order families don't join the church) If you've tested with one of DNA companies like Ancestry, My Heritage, or 23andMe, and have DNA matches who have Mennonite ancestry, it might be a clue that your Volga German ancestors were originally Mennonites.

@wuverrabbit 10 ай бұрын

Mennonite and Jews also settled in Russia. Though I believe most German Russians are RC.

@stefanniecundiff1554 2 жыл бұрын

🤯🤯🤯 My 2x great-grandfather's brother, Steve Pollick, immigrated around 1913 and was listed on the ship manifest to be residing with Justus Bissing (who had a PO Box in KCK). Another gentleman, Peter Faller from Katherinestadt, was also joining Mr. Bissing. I'm puzzled because my family at that time lived in Minsk. As far as I know there were no recorded Volga German families with the last name Pollick (Poleschuk).

@nathankahl9892 2 жыл бұрын

My great grandparents Germans from krasna, Russia an moved to shields, ND(Bismarck) in the early 1900's

@superduck6456 2 жыл бұрын

Ha, I’m 97% German. Almost entirely Volga German.

@e.kaufmann4718 2 жыл бұрын

where did you do your DNA-Test?

@superduck6456 2 жыл бұрын

@@e.kaufmann4718 I just used 23 and me. It didn’t specifically say Volga German, but I already had an extensive family tree, so I pretty much knew where my whole family came from already.

@Zech287 2 жыл бұрын

I’m Volga German

@JEREMY99218 2 жыл бұрын

My Father's mother's side is Volga German (Block/Bloch, Kinsfather/Kindsvater). My Dad's Father's side is Black Sea German (Kulm, Kurtz, Bauder, Eisenbeis/Eisenbeisz, Keiss/Keisz) whose "German Colonies" were located in what is now Ukraine and Moldova.

@mickimicki Жыл бұрын

The chart at 30:22 seems to indicate that Johann Adolf Karlin was born in Zerbst in 1732, while his wife Henrietta von Momol was from Areiden in Holland. It also says that her third husband was one Peter Gottfried Windschuh from "Rosslau Zerbst" Now, Zerbst is in Germany, not in Holland (unless there is another Zerbst in Holland. In any case, Roßlau (where the 3rd husband is said to be from) is near the German Zerbst. It also says that underneath his name that Karlin was a Catholic innkeeper from Amsterdam. But was he really Dutch if he was born in Zerbst? A very important thing to know about Zerbst: In the 18th century, it was the residence of the Princes of Anhalt-Zerbst. This is the principality/family where Catharine II of Russia originally came from!! So it would make a lot of sense that people from that very place should be amongst the settlers. (Even if they had spent some time in Amsterdam in the meantime?) Anyway. This is probably cleared up in the book, which I don't own - so I'm only ranting about this detail I happened to notice in the video. Please excuse me if I'm jumping to conclusions!

@larryhb1 2 жыл бұрын

I do have a question about cousins from a community with pedigree collapse. Do 5th and 6th cousins share more dna when tested...so that they appear to be 3rd or 4th cousins? In small rural communities in Bohemia, parents arranged marriages among their children in order to keep their small partials of land in their family....'if your son marries my daughter, my son will marry your daughter'.

@Handletaken4 7 ай бұрын

The GFR Museum is worth the trip.

@04LightningFan 2 жыл бұрын

USSR? Who indexed this page? Russia should not have been interpreted as USSR.

@GeneaVlogger 2 жыл бұрын

Not quite as bad as some of the crazy stuff WTFGenealogy posts on Twitter.

@cefcat5733 2 жыл бұрын

He makes a good point, to get all of the info, since lots of brothers or sisters of one family were double-dating and then marrying similarly-aged available brothers or sisters of another family. Ugh! Sometimes they marry the elder sister as she is of age and divorce to marry her next younger sister by the time she is of age. That still happens today. How are we able to draw THAT tree?He can be totally proud of his tree! Now I can worry that Napoleon touring Germany etc. recruited and schlept' my ancestors out there. 😢

@richardw3470 2 жыл бұрын

Double dating/marrying happened in my family frequently. Large Catholic families in an area of all kinds of protestants who would intermarry Luth to Meth, Bapt to Presb but the Cath were "required" to marry Cath. The same people keep popping up in diff branches of the family tree.

@cefcat5733 2 жыл бұрын

@@richardw3470 My Grandfather claimed and smiled telling me that we always married 'the wrong' person and got the family really upset with nationality, religion and language differences. A good time was had by all in the 1920's.

@wuverrabbit 10 ай бұрын

Just found this randomly which is quite interesting, having the other German Russians in my tree, Black Sea Germans

@becca7455. 2 жыл бұрын

They called them white Russians, according to my family. Shout out from a Blum branch.

@stephanottawa7890 11 ай бұрын

The ultimate question is who in the world is mr. beat? That does not sound like a German name. Was he ever on the Volga?

@richardw3470 2 жыл бұрын

Around Greeley CO there are descendants of people referred to as Germans from Russia. Some of the names are real tongue twisters.

@daylightmoon7285 7 ай бұрын

My Volga Deutsch grandfather worked for a short time in sugar beets in the Greeley area.

@jimiwhat79 2 жыл бұрын

* Netherlands, Zuid-Holland...Church Records, 1367-1916 Nederlands Hervormde Ameide Dopen 1663-1812 Trouwen 1...0-1811 Lidmaten 1687-1741 image 437 * Hendrikje van Bommel * Baptism : october 16 1735 Ameide Zuid-Holland * Parents: Peter Willemsz van Bommel and Janneke Jacobs Verhoef * Witness Leena Verhoef * Siblings: Aeltje van Bommel January 17 1734 Ameide, witness Geertrui Willems van Bommel. Image 431 * 2 Coenraad van Bommel March 2 1738 Ameide, witness Willemijntje van der Linde image 451

@GeneaVlogger 2 жыл бұрын

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@Cyberlucy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! I really enjoyed this. I appreciate all the planning and research that went into this. There were things about it that reminded me of how my father's family ended up here.