Yeah I think it’ll be a welcome addition to the market for sure.

Of course Alan, thanks for watching and the comment. I will be very keen to see how the production model develops and how the brand itself sets itself in the coffee industry.

They are a friendly crew, and definitely are excited about coffee. Love to see it.

Of course, thanks for watching!

As much as I love my P64 if you already have a 64mm flat I would highly recommend spreading out your grinding ability by adding a conical. I love having both on hand.

@@Sprometheus thanks. I like that idea.

Yeah I can definitely understand it’s wild look is going to be rather divisive. I’m honestly just glad to see something different looking after years of slightly tilted single dosers that look copy and paste. But I would love to get ahold of some Kafateks, definitely a set I haven’t had a chance to really delve into yet.

@@SprometheusI don’t mind the overall look, but there’s something about the large logo that looks cheap to me, and I’m with you on not loving the blind basket workflow. But, happy to see more options in the large conical market. I’d recommend grabbing a KafaTek MC5 (or new MC6) if you get the chance. I have an MC5 and have been pretty delighted by it.

I think it looks sweet like a vintage milling machine

Probably the Kafatek beats it, as you would expect for a 6th iteration of a grinder that costs twice the price (tolerances, materials, custom burrs with a pre-breaker). Still would love to see the review or comparison!

Thank you 🙏

That’s definitely possible. I asked the guys who brought it to demo but they didn’t have direct answer, but I think the assumption was it’s main focus on the quick release center burr means it can’t be the one that spins. But the things you mentioned may very well be a happy accident.

that only depends on how stable the counterpart is. if it can move even slightly, the alignment is out the window very quickly. also the center burr has a quick release. how strong is the bottom area with the locking part? and how stiff is the cone burr at its highest point? can it bend? I think yes. and I doubt that the center burr is locked that stable. you mentioned lever. in this case it's even a disadvantage, as the long lever from the outside burr towards the center will put a lot of force and move the center if a bean is pushing from one side and the other is empty. all these thoughts are just theory. not sure it's true for this grinder as I didn't see it. it all depends on how stiff the center core with the center burr is. if that is solid as a rock and won't move a micrometer, everything mentioned above is not true.

@@jpjay1584 1 micron? The grinder can't be CNC machined feasibly with tolerances finer than +/- 25 microns and espresso itself is closer to 100-200 microns. For reference a human hair is 50 microns. Whatever your point is, please use plausible datums.

thanks for your reply. I am familiar with microns and their real dimensions. micrometer (micron) was just used as a unit, rather than an exact measurement. if you read any of the 163 Words/837 Characters I wrote, you wouldn't pick the ONE WORD that could be attacked, and rather try to understand the meaning of my answer. I never claimed 1 micron. I was just referring to lever and (potentional) movement and the stability of the center burr. I hope you don't understand my "essay" as a downgrade of the construction of the grinder, which I tried to clearly mention, that I never saw a grinder and I am purely speculating in general about stiffness. also I mentioned multiple times, I could be wrong. (was just speculating about movement of the center burr in the micron range due to side forces. all fine and I actually appreciate your explanation of measurement. btw, I absolutely love the grinder and its new look and new features. I'd rather like to know, where is the motor, and does it have a belt drive or even a gear? @@kwok57

I saw this on another channel and I believe they said it would be around $1400 USD.

100% darker roasts are always better off conicals. I do like this one better than the niche on the clarity side, and speed as well. Cleaning is easier. I think many folks would be very happy with this one coming from the Niche.

Thank you my friend. I get where you’re coming from. I do wish it were easier to see the collar burr as well. I know the folks at Mx. Cool will be reading these comments looking for ways to improve as well.

@@Sprometheus I’m hoping they tighten up the base a bit as well. I understand where they are coming from financially and production wise but if they could reduce the potential chaff, fines etc that need to be moped up, that would further increase the appeal of this.

When we switched from the Niche Zero (we also had no complaints) to an Option-O P100 Flat burr grinder we immediately noticed how much more narrow the sweet spot is on the Large flat burr grinder. Intuitively that tells me there are more fines with the Niche... and annoyingly enough we did taste more clarity in the cup especially with light roasts.

@2k3r1 you say "annoyingly" so I take it you like the malty, chocolate, less clear note of the Niche Zero?

I was thinking the Sette is also a grinder that did that. Thanks for confirming.

love my sette. such a workhorse. a little bit of retention issues but nothing a few water drops can't fix

They introduced the hybrid burrs. One type for prebrake and one for fine grinding. But they cost an arm and a leg. Handone Honne make similar grinder for cheap.

For sure, I think the price tag for Versalab is a big turn off for folks, at least before home coffee enthusiasts really took off in recent years. Now it seems cost isn’t so much of an issue.

@@Sprometheus well I can't bring myself to spend around 4k but some people would splash even more on Titus or Ozik.

I can see that for sure.

Hopefully the end result sounds more like the Niche Zero than the bombastic Sette series though 😆

@@NoZenith hahaha I like the Sette considering it's accessibility. I just wish they would have used just a little more robust motor assembly!

@@jasonochoada3083I wish it didn’t sound like a Hercules on takeoff!!

@@coreycannon4511 hahaha another excellent point! It looks like this grinder would solve many if not all the Sette's shortcomings 👍

Last I chatted they said they had been communicating with a couple, and they estimated the release would be before at or around November of this year, which isn't far off. I'll definitely keep ya'll informed on the progress for sure.

I’m not aware of one in particular, but it could be a little easier than you know. The Mazzer Robur is a very popular cafe grinder that uses 83mm conical burrs, shouldn’t be too hard to find one. Mazzer Kold as well. Here in SD county I know that Ironsmith Coffee uses a Kold.

@@Sprometheus I'll have to keep an out. Maybe because of the design I notice a lot of Mythos 2. The last I went down to SD I almost thought the only specialty shop was Bird Rock. Next time I'll have to plan better and find a few shops.

I thing Commandante has something coming

There's the Helor 106 with 71mm mazzer burrs

Haha I said the same thing, it’s very modbar-esque. I mean they’re in Taiwan and there is a lot of coffee tools produced there, could be a Timemore? Grinding labs? I asked and they said it’s definitely not Mazzer.

@@Sprometheus I figured it wasn't Mazzer. I would doubt it's SSP since he's probably way too far down the flat burr rabbit hole. Timemore seems like a pretty good guess...

That's just the clear plastic one

See at 7:05 @@Saucisse_Praxis

@@Saucisse_Praxis nope, @coffeeandshots is correct, glass Orea.

So far really enjoy it. Definitely produced a different cup, very juicy by comparison.

Indeed! Have a great weekend my friend.

83mm and wattage is less important than the gearing, plus conicals don’t need to spin as fast as flats. The Niche Duo with 83mm flat burrs has a 170w motor and also grinds green coffee.

1300-1500

I mentioned at the end, they don’t have a set price yet but said around $1400

I understand what you’re saying, but I’m not saying anyone should do exactly what I say, my take is if a grinder is marketed as an all-arounder and there are RPM options on the grinder it should work for all methods. I think you may be in a minority on that take.

I think the point is that if the manufacturer wants to have adjustable RPM on their grinder, they should put in a motor cabable of achieving it without the user having to test if it works with their beans and a specific grind size by trial and error. I understand there are trade-offs in this line of thinking as well, the most notable being the price and the noise.

Unfortunately that’s sort of the nature of posting online, and it’s hard to take down stuff for copyright as you’re essentially forced to give a lot of personal info to submit a complaint via KZfaq.

Kafatek mc6?

You can get a MC5, Versalab, Handone honne, Titus and maybe Ozik in full metal premium

@@Val_Smith I have a MC4. I don't need another grinder. The reason for my comment is that I went with Kafatek because of the premium materials. I hate plastic.

Are you complaining about the lid? You don't want to be able to see end. It gives you a very good view and it feels like a very substantial and long-lasting clear material

@@davidhunternyc1 aside from metal Kafatek is one ugly mf. You can pay extra for black customisation but will still be left with a silver portafilter holder. And you have to wait for month before you get it. As far as grinders look I love the EG-1 but fck Weber. Aries would look better without the plastic parts besides the hopper.

My personal take is burr size plays a minimal role in taste, so for me the thing that sets this apart from the Niche, beyond having being nearly twice the weight (take that as you will) is the low rpm. It’s coffee is much higher clarity because of that, at least in comparison to the Niche. Sure you can focus on body casing, and some plastic, but honestly I don’t think that’s indicative to quality.

IMO its definitely on a different level than any Baratza, considering it’s motor, burr size, and RPM ability.

@@Sprometheus is the grind any better for 3rd wave espresso ?

It’s possible. I’m curious to find out eventually.

Not sure I follow, but sure?