Natalie Sabanadze - Georgia's Maidan Style Protest Pushing Back Against Putinisation of its Politics

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Natalie Sabanadze is Senior Fellow of the Russia and Eurasia Program, at Chatham House. Natalie was Georgia’s Ambassador to Belgium, Luxembourg, and the EU and head of the Georgian mission to the European Union in May 2013. Prior to assuming her current position, Sabanadze worked as the senior adviser to the OSCE High Commissioner on National Minorities in The Hague. She held a number of posts with the OSCE HCNM, including head of Central and Southeast Europe section and more recently, head of Eastern Europe, Caucasus, and Central Asia section.
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@GrumpyOldMan9 Ай бұрын

I bet according to this law, Russia will never be considered a "foreign agent"

@terjeoseberg990 Ай бұрын

Yup…

@bobjohnbowles Ай бұрын

Got it in one.

@eagleeye182 Ай бұрын

Of course not! Bidzina Ivanishvili, the founder of the Georgia Dream and the mastermind of this draft bill made his fortune in Russia. He`s 5 billion dollars according to Forbes.

@18_rabbit Ай бұрын

@@eagleeye182 funny how the original communist nations now rule soley thru money-power, and in russia's case, severe graft kleptocracy, with Poo-tin actually being defacto, by far and away, the only truely rich person on the planet, with control of supposedly over 300B if not 500B. No one knows bcuz the level of sophistication of what modern accounting services plus the only large secret police org on earth plus money-laundering needs & abilities of many entities in russia, (which apparently was also a thing during USSR)- and u get the real thing, i.e deeply corrupt entrenched group of a few hundred to a few thousand ppl controlling 140M ppl and trying to menace the world & actually able to successfully disrupt the world economy.

@GeorgeGzirishvili Ай бұрын

Russia doesn't have NGOs, they have actual old-school agents and spies.

@EyesWideOpen61 Ай бұрын

So proud of the brave people of Georgia 🇬🇪

@AGW99-df3yg 29 күн бұрын

They learned life is so much easier when you just do what Washington tells you

@phild5322 Ай бұрын

For anyone who hasn’t been to Georgia, this billionaire has a Dr. Evil style mansion overlooking the capital. It’s bonkers

@SiliconCurtain Ай бұрын

😂

@robertyoung8486 Ай бұрын

This is how you conduct a brilliant interview. Let the person speak their minds. Thanks!

@SiliconCurtain Ай бұрын

👍👍👍

@alexdemoya2119 Ай бұрын

Yeah he's one of the best interviewers I have seen. Soft spoken, easy lead in. No interrupting. A lot of people out there could learn.

@18_rabbit Ай бұрын

@@alexdemoya2119 yep he's sooo excellent! And the braint-trust treasure-trove of interviews these past two years is like nothing i've ever heard/seen in all my years of study, & of learning current socio-political affairs, after originally studying formally in D.C. in the USa.

@joancramer7484 Ай бұрын

What a wonderful, interesting woman. Thank you so much for introducing us to Natalie Sabanadze. I loved this interview. Prayers for Georgians. 🥰🙏

@SiliconCurtain Ай бұрын

👍👍👍🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪

@dianetourje1359 Ай бұрын

I'm very glad to hear from someone who is in the Georgian resistance

@mylessalmon2569 Ай бұрын

Georgia fights on.

@grexz1 Ай бұрын

Seeing Georgians wave an EU flag on protests fills me with an sense of solidarity and hope.

@user-nt6ss3on3b Ай бұрын

Putin's bandits are already openly threatening Independent Georgia that they will send in troops and crush the resistance of the Georgian people on the streets. And where is the reaction to this from the United States and Europe? If the Georgian uprising will be suppressed, it will be solely the fault of the insufficient reaction of Europe and the United States. just like they allowed Russia to attack Georgia in 2008 and occupy part of it. At the same time, without punishing Russia in any way. And now both Ukraine and Georgia must deal with the consequences of the West’s indecisiveness back then.

@mikekolyshkin3931 Ай бұрын

Thank you, Jonathan, for inviting such a great guest! It was a very insightful conference. 🇬🇪 🇺🇦 👍

@SiliconCurtain Ай бұрын

👍👍👍

@henriikkak2091 Ай бұрын

What a fantastic guest!

@martyrockatansky2696 Ай бұрын

i love peoples who value freedom over security/authority. very well put. thank you for the interview with this beautiful lady.

@whylie74 Ай бұрын

Why are they hell bent on joining the EU if they value freedom so much.

@davidwright5094 Ай бұрын

@@whylie74 Freedom: it has been proved possible for a member state to leave the EU without in the process becoming subject to artillery, missile and drone attacks on cities, armour and infantry incursion across ones borders, or EU-orchestrated assassination attempts against leading figures of the leave movement -- unless I inexplicably slept through such events during years between 2016-20, which seems unlikely.

@RennieNightcart Ай бұрын

What a brilliant and captivating Lady, Ms. Sabanadze. I could not take my eyes from her. Great interview.

@nicolaebulgaru Ай бұрын

Thanks for clear and on point info.

@martavdz4972 Ай бұрын

I've just seen a FB post by the Latvian president, saying "My solidarity with the people of Georgia and their struggle for their European dream". Thank you for the great interview, Jonathan!

@EEX97623 Ай бұрын

Baltic states stand for freedom of all from Putin’s clutches. Greetings from Estonia.

@GMT_400 Ай бұрын

Chatham House! 👍. Keep going, and going. Good discussion.

@SiliconCurtain Ай бұрын

👍👍👍

@olliestudio45 Ай бұрын

Was looking forward to info on this topic. Thank you.

@timmommens901 Ай бұрын

Listening a second time. To let it sink in. Well spoken she is. The message coming over loud and clear. 👋🇧🇪🇰🇷🤝🇬🇪🤝🇪🇺

@Donovanwashere Ай бұрын

🇺🇦🙏🇺🇸💪 you are doing tremendous work, Jonathan 🙏

@cabbking Ай бұрын

What a pleasure! This woman is so bright and easy to understand!

@StefanMochnacki Ай бұрын

Jarosław Kaczyński's Law and Justice party tried exactly the same in Poland, but lost power following elections in October, 2023. There were similar though more peaceful demonstrations in Poland in the 2015-2023 period, in opposition to the autocratic direction of Law and Justice. I wish Georgians all the best, corrupt national populist autocracy can be defeated. However, as everywhere, democratic forces must ensure that they have sufficient rural/small town support, because the level of urban mobilisation can be misleading if the silent non-metropolitan majority supports authoritarian autocracy. It's "Somewheres" versus "Anywheres".

@3029dz Ай бұрын

LOL, Tusk election funded by American Democratic Party which is in Alliance with Soros and WEF goons. Same people funding UNRA-Hamas. Not going to get Real Freedom from these groups for sure. Just because they oppose Putler does not make them a good answer.

@TheKirstebee Ай бұрын

Love your work!! 💙💛💙💛

@tatyanatavares4168 Ай бұрын

Keep going Georgia!. Keep the energy up. When the orange revolution kicked off every single Ukrainian had turned into a stinging bee from a worker bee. Senior people were tying ribbons around trees on roads - towns, cities, villages.. yellow and blue were flying everywhere. My mum was complaining that Kherson city mall had run out of the ribbons. lol My uncle's small village had collected very small donations from each family in the villages just to cover the cost of petrol for a coach to represent their village in Kiev and it was enough. Ukrainians in Kyev was all busy housing for free Ukrainians on the streets and feeding them and caring for them. Just taking them by hand and taking them home. The society had truly formed into one movement. I was raising alarms with UK newspapers -putting my PR course into action. There is something everyone can do. You only have one lousy oligarch to sort out. Who does he thinks he is to be deciding for the entire nation? Glory to Georgia. ❤❤🤍🤍 Slava Ukraini

@LisaNH934 Ай бұрын

💙💛 Ukrainian Spirit 💪

@irongron Ай бұрын

The Georgians were probably the first ever in the USSR to get away with an huge anti-Soviet protest in 1978 in Tbilisi. The Brezhnev government covered it up sop hardly anyone in the USSR knew abut it back then. - "On 14 April 1978, demonstrations in Tbilisi, capital of the Georgian SSR, took place in response to an attempt by the Soviet government to change the constitutional status of languages in Georgia. " - Pro-R.S.F.S.R. ruzzians also started the trouble in Abkhazia that is a problem to this day.

@anibbotson Ай бұрын

@@irongron Go back a bit further, to 9 March 1956, when the first resistance to the USSR started! 👍

@samsungtap4183 Ай бұрын

All the spin in the world will not change the fact that the democraticly elected government of Ukraine was over thrown in a murderouse coup d'etat and that's how history will remember you. The president of Ukraine had to climb out a window and the Ukrainian constition was thrown out the same window. The American under secretary of state Victoria Nueland boasted that she had bought Ukraine for $5 million...she BOASTED

@irongron Ай бұрын

@@anibbotson Yea, Budapest, Hungary, but that was in the Warsaw pact and was suppressed very violently. The Georgian protest in 1978 was actually in the USSR proper and they seemed to get away with it to some extent.

@djparn007 Ай бұрын

Thank you, Jonathan. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

@robertmiskey5502 Ай бұрын

Good Luck Georgia in achieving your goals.

@carolwilliams8511 Ай бұрын

And thank you for fighting in Ukraine.

@Edo9River Ай бұрын

❤❤❤What can we do to encourage Georgia people ?

@factabulous Ай бұрын

Interesting talk - I've been hoping you would cover Georgia since the mainstream press is the UK seems to be ignoring it even more than Ukraine. I hope the people of Georgia can avoid falling into Putin's grasp.

@Sylvie_M Ай бұрын

What a great discussion, Jonathan. Keep up the good work.

@johncromwell2529 Ай бұрын

Great interviews Thanks Jonathon

@mikekolyshkin3931 Ай бұрын

Hi, Jonathan! Please correct the mistake in the header: not 'Maiden' but 'Maidan'.

@SiliconCurtain Ай бұрын

Done! Thanks.

@sumiland6445 Ай бұрын

💛💙💜💙💛 vicious storm out tonight. But I'm here, listening uninterrupted 😊 warm and dry. 🇺🇦 🌏 🇬🇧 🇺🇸

@taxofonas Ай бұрын

Great conversation. Stay strong, Georgia! I just assume that the title meant to say "Maidan style"?

@SiliconCurtain Ай бұрын

👍👍👍🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪

@claudiocorrodi2303 Ай бұрын

Thank you very much for this interview!

@user-ld6jv3vc3b Ай бұрын

We have a day of family strength in Georgia and we go out in every Citys to protect our nation 🇬🇪🙏🙏🙏

@MLE750 Ай бұрын

Great interview and interviewee.

@seamusg5738 Ай бұрын

Thanks J.

@francescamelandri3895 Ай бұрын

thank you Jonathan for this insightful and relevant interview with the great Natalie Sabanadze

@ehawolczecki8759 Ай бұрын

Totally enjoyable interview.

@DarkestAlice Ай бұрын

Thank you, Jonathan, for this very interesting conversation with Natalie Sabanadze. I hope, Georgia will not be left alone, like Ukraine after Maidan, so we can welcome Georgians into the EU soon. 🇺🇦 Перемоги і миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦

@0Cico0 Ай бұрын

There are similar talks about "foreign agent law" in Slovakia...

@jorgeluiscapiello414 Ай бұрын

Keep fighting. Exactly what happened to my country Venezuela. Start with a democratically elected government to end in a corrupt dictatorship.

@halporter9 Ай бұрын

WOnDERFul interview.

@dianetourje1359 Ай бұрын

Does Georgia have someone or several people that the polity would replace the autocrst?

@pickmaster Ай бұрын

Good, informative interview! Thanks Natalie. ❤

@henriikkak2091 Ай бұрын

9:13 One more reason to kick Hungary out of the European Union. Many seem to think that EU membership protects countries against democratic backsliding. This is obviously not true, proven by several countries, first and foremost, Hungary. European countries becoming more authoritarian is an issue we have to deal with, but we can deal with it better when the union does not have members that are actively trying to sabotage it.

@3029dz Ай бұрын

Funny because Hungary wants to leave but EU keeps handing out Money to stay.

@henriikkak2091 Ай бұрын

The stakes are simply too high right now. I think it would send a clear message to members and aspiring members if we stood firm and upheld our principles: Democracy and the rule of law.

@olliestudio45 Ай бұрын

Better Hungary pissing about than another Belarus. The EU should also increase qualified majority voting and work to bolster governance, security, democratic mechanisms and effective policy processes.

@henriikkak2091 Ай бұрын

@@olliestudio45I honestly don't think so because unless we scare them straight, other countries like Slovakia will take heed; that they can keep receiving EU money and simultaneously scupper democratic processes inside the EU. This is a huge incentive for corrupted leaders of Orban's ilk.

@henriikkak2091 Ай бұрын

@@3029dzHungary can make like the UK and leave at any time.

@user-vb1hy3li1h Ай бұрын

Interesting discussion thank you for bringing it. Letting Russians into Georgia after 20% of the country was invaded was a very bad idea. Georgians are brave and wise I hope that they prevail against their Russian puppets

@mosatsoni4324 Ай бұрын

People of Georgia will prevail. Romans, Persians, Mongols have come and passed. One puny oligarch is no match for us! Onwards to Europe! ✊

@larr5e Ай бұрын

I have thought for a while that Natalie is a cutie. Will hear the audio version later. Thanks, Jonathan!

@sophiedaoust9864 Ай бұрын

Very, very interesting! I do hope these protests will be covered more by western media. Go Georgians!

@tetianavarvynska2125 Ай бұрын

FREEDOM To SAKARTVELLO!!!!

@331SVTCobra Ай бұрын

Nation of Georgia: bravely protesting for freedom, fighting Putin's autocracy. Georgia USA: Thinks Moscow Marge is great.

@scottyd3138 Ай бұрын

This was a really good video, really explained what is going on in Georgia

@stevenjohns-savage7024 Ай бұрын

Thanks Jonathan 😊. This doesn't sound good for our children. Keep up your guys great work 👍

@oscarmora4602 Ай бұрын

Interesting

@siweiss9214 Ай бұрын

beauty and brains. what a treat may I introduce myself

@mikeroo8736 Ай бұрын

Excellent interview long live the people of Georgia free and independent from the Moscow tyrant

@WalterBurton Ай бұрын

👍👍👍

@WalterBurton Ай бұрын

The simulation is broken, etc. 😔

@karljuhans Ай бұрын

Thank you, Jonathan. I would like to know what is the % of pro Russian and definitely pro Georgian people (and maybe cityzen who are hesitant or don't care). And how many Russians there are in Georgia right now? It's because in newspapers there are many headlines like "Georgia is now gone ..." and so on.

@stevenjohns-savage7024 Ай бұрын

Overstay there Wellcome. That hit home strongly

@ruthwolfer4154 Ай бұрын

and, to all this concerning mess arising again = there's Scholzes prudence stubborness on top !!

@Gmx92 Ай бұрын

Still do not know how georgia could possibly be considered Europe. Has minimal historical connection to Europe, doesnt border any countries in the EU, has much more ties to iran and turkey than any eu nation

@reaperbsc Ай бұрын

So? We in the West value ideas. Not where you were born.

@johnt3805 Ай бұрын

By European, they mean in values. Japan is even part of the west now!

@Gmx92 Ай бұрын

What are "European values?" Can Argentina join the eu? What about Azerbaijan?

@annedebthune3084 Ай бұрын

Wait did she say the leader of Georgia lives half his time in France!,,,! But he wants to be in Putin pocket😮

@zingardoh1 15 күн бұрын

It is bad to be an enemy of USA but it is worse be a friend.

@user-qi8kc8jk1l Ай бұрын

Keep going Georgia

@LarsConway-zt3hi Ай бұрын

Freedom for Georgia (from Russian interference)

@considerthis7712 Ай бұрын

Nothing surprising here.

@lechkonradpowichrowski3965 Ай бұрын

Dear Natalie, what I enjoyed in your thoughts is something that's rarely present in nowadays political discourse. It is how the democracy can turn naturally into an autocracy, in a very creepy way. What has happened in Georgia. But, quite surprisingly for maybe many observers, may happen in the countries like Poland with the so-called pro-EU new government elected in October 2023. The new goverment succeeded to destroy the media independence, to produce legal anarchy by appointing people on non-existing unconstitutional positions in topmost legal system. Supported fully by the EU and the ruling elite in Brussels. So, there are many recipes and I suspect that these have been tested by the Georgian Dream. Poles are quite similar to the Georgians in their mindset. Funny enough.

@giovannichiaranti9775 Ай бұрын

Commento tattico

@user-ue3qf2vd7l Ай бұрын

You are really going after the truth.Good Work.

@terjeoseberg990 Ай бұрын

She described Project 2025 in the United States. Basically Putin is trying to accomplish the same things all over the world, including the United States.

@terjeoseberg990 Ай бұрын

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@terjeoseberg990 Ай бұрын

Project2025…

@terjeoseberg990 Ай бұрын

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@terjeoseberg990 Ай бұрын

org…

@terjeoseberg990 Ай бұрын

At 18:32, “Now there’s another very interesting case …” This is exactly what Project 2025 is.

@zakrewzakrevskii3208 Ай бұрын

Pls read US Law, you will be astonished:)

@reaperbsc Ай бұрын

At how different it is you mean?

@arianhrodkeltoi8104 Ай бұрын

It was written by Dugin. Putin & Dugin share the same ideas. Within the Kremlin propagandists community, Dugin is seen as The n1 Guru, and "Putin's closest advisor", quote. I really don't understand why Dugin is usually dismissed as extremely influencial. His ideas sound surreal, lunatic, the white bearded crazy man, hard to grasp... doesn't fit a respectable image? Yet, HE IS extremely influencial. Dugin is the one writting down the ideologic base of Putin's spiel. Goes back to the 1990s, before Putin's rise. 1997 Dugin published the book still being used as the base for Russia's Imperial Plan "4th Political Theory", the "Multipolar World". Just recently, 2024 Jan/Feb, they translated the book to portuguese, and are activelly advertising it. Same for other languages.

@deanejoyce5393 Ай бұрын

MGGA … Make Georgia Great Again 🇬🇪🇬🇪

@reaperbsc Ай бұрын

No, just no. Do you understand what MAGA stands for? It represents the ideology the Georgians are protesting AGAINST.

@deanejoyce5393 Ай бұрын

@@reaperbsc the nuance you misunderstand is a sea change in perception that MGGA really means “ kick Russians out”, in fact MAGA is becoming “ kick Russians out”, too.. just look around and you will see good things happening

@gerryhouska2859 Ай бұрын

The world is a wonderful place! We, too, are Caucasians. I must admit I belong to quite a few "foreign agent" NGOs like Medicine sans Frontiers, Amnesty International, UNHCR, Greenpeace, Getup etc, the kind criminalised by the Kremlin, and proud of it.

@1952bane Ай бұрын

😉

@johnfallon6906 Ай бұрын

🎯🙏🔱🔱🔱🔱🔱🔱🔱🔱🙏🎯😉

@sirrodneyffing1 Ай бұрын

Georgia HAS to be helped to be free of Russian menace too. Russian invasion was appalling, and the West’s weak reaction to it. Turkey is a hybrid regime..almost.

@mattcat83 Ай бұрын

Why does it matter whether or not the CIA is agitating protests when those protests favor freedom and democracy? Are freedom and democracy not worth having if only because they are promoted by foreign agents? No, of course not.

@dirkhouben9960 Ай бұрын

Do you really think the US (CIA) will bring freedom and democracy to those protesters? Ask the people of all those numerous other states that experienced the US foreign policy dream...

@reaperbsc Ай бұрын

We have in many other countries, so yeah. I do.

@richardaspinall4170 Ай бұрын

Russia and the US have identical Foreign Agents laws which protect them from subversion from foreign-funded agencies. The Georgian government must have a mechanism for protecting Georgia from being used as a Western Proxy to threaten Russia and in so doing avoid the backlash of Russian aggression which would be the worst nightmare of all. I find it extraordinary that the Georgian youth appear blind to the consequences of their actions when they have a parallel in Ukraine.

@ericteng7725 Ай бұрын

A bit long winded and slightly boring, but I'm beginning to like her!!

@hunterphung3638 Ай бұрын

US Trump is the same shit.

@martingisser273 Ай бұрын

At the very end the question is begged, so, why then did they reintroduce this law? (Yes, power makes stupid. But that stupid? Smells like stupid Putin has a plan with Georgia.)

@jossiesh7649 Ай бұрын

Stop your lies. The same law exists in the US.

@dirkhouben9960 Ай бұрын

So Georgians are protesting against transparency of financing of foreign NGO's? Georgians want an Western style democracy, then why are they demonstrating against a law which is exactly a type of US law (see FARA act)? The US has this Law much longer than Russia.

@hks2377 Ай бұрын

It’s not like the US version of the law, though. The US law is specifically about organizations & individuals who lobby the government. Georgia’s proposed law is closer to iterations of Russia’s. It targets based on funding, not on the purpose of the organization & has a provision allowing the government to ban organizations it deems too foreign, not just inform the public of their funding sources.

@timmommens901 Ай бұрын

You are trying hard. Try harder 😊

@Canonfudder Ай бұрын

Goto be better- or its donetsk for you. Troll like the wind.

@sparkyy0007 Ай бұрын

I guess unlike Europe, Georgians like the idea of seperate mens and womens bathrooms.

@ivanprilepchanski7052 Ай бұрын

Georgia is european and North Atlantic country?? This women has to go back to elementary school. The very same law is in power in the USA. Its called the FORA act . Read it and learn.

@hks2377 Ай бұрын

The US law & the Russian one are very different. Read it & learn, then stop spreading disinformation.

@timmommens901 Ай бұрын

Another one.... Try harder 😊

@martavdz4972 Ай бұрын

It can be considered European, nobody really knows where Europe ends. Some geographers place it in Europe. Its neighbour Armenia was one of the first countries in the world to officially adopt Christianity, so that gives it some shared history with Europe.

@dzurfluh2156 Ай бұрын

Russian government troll go home.

@EEX97623 Ай бұрын

Europe stops where Asia and Africa start, read up. Georgia is in Europe. A huge part of Russia is in Europe.