Senna's Interactions Explained

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4 жыл бұрын

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@wastedsoul1024
@wastedsoul1024 4 жыл бұрын
Lucian: I shoot something twice, and then you shoot it a third time. *Jhin jumps out from the ceiling* *_F O U R_*
@nerv-nz2tt
@nerv-nz2tt 4 жыл бұрын
repost oh wait this is not reddit recomment
@tomislavmidanovic8666
@tomislavmidanovic8666 4 жыл бұрын
This is deserving of so many more likes
@muhammedemirulcay4533
@muhammedemirulcay4533 4 жыл бұрын
@@tomislavmidanovic8666 no it doesnt .I probably seen this comment like a thousand times already
@nerv-nz2tt
@nerv-nz2tt 4 жыл бұрын
@@tomislavmidanovic8666 original is from senna voice reveal
@Shashu_the_little_Voidling
@Shashu_the_little_Voidling 4 жыл бұрын
@@muhammedemirulcay4533 Well, I haven't, and I thought it was funny
@Gamemaster13000
@Gamemaster13000 4 жыл бұрын
Senna: You took everything from me! Mordekaiser: I don't even know who you are.
@ketchoup4187
@ketchoup4187 4 жыл бұрын
I understood that reference.
@colinhazel5140
@colinhazel5140 4 жыл бұрын
Uncle Steve would be proud. 😌
@zyibesixdouze4863
@zyibesixdouze4863 4 жыл бұрын
Morde isn't the Ruined King
@brock1594
@brock1594 4 жыл бұрын
Gamemaster13000 Mordekaiser: ...... I need more bricks for my castle, I don’t care what you say.
@knockoffmjolnir4864
@knockoffmjolnir4864 3 жыл бұрын
LMFAO!!!
@malicewithalice
@malicewithalice 4 жыл бұрын
Give Riot some credit for bringing some humanity to some of the characters. I love these interactions between her and Lucian. It really does shine a light on their relationship as a whole.
@phoenixflamegames1
@phoenixflamegames1 4 жыл бұрын
malicewithalice I’m already happy they gave us senna. Ever since I mained thresh (second main) I wondered what she looked like and how she was.
@solerosable
@solerosable 4 жыл бұрын
Senna: proves she’s a character by joking around with her partner Necrit: WHY? YOU SHOULD ONLY SPEAK IN LORE DUMPS!
@blairwest5962
@blairwest5962 4 жыл бұрын
That's exactly how I felt lol. I mean lore is nice for sure, but you'd expect her interactions with Lucian to be as they are(flirty jokes cause they havent seen each other in years). I mean look at Xayah and Rakan: not much world building there either lol
@myhlosic
@myhlosic 4 жыл бұрын
@@blairwest5962 Xay and Rak have such sexual tension it's iconic
@SuperTHEcross
@SuperTHEcross 4 жыл бұрын
"These interactions are kinda "why"?" The why is *Love*!
@epsresso1857
@epsresso1857 4 жыл бұрын
i would've liked this comment, but it was at 69 likes
@raindropsr9892
@raindropsr9892 4 жыл бұрын
@@epsresso1857 bUt It DoEsN'T pUsH tHe LoRe FoRwArD
@alexandruplescan912
@alexandruplescan912 4 жыл бұрын
When senna refers to walls, she also refers to her emotional walls she put after Lucian's father died, because she was afraid of letting anyone in as she was too scared to see them die due to her curse.
@burningdreamsinheaven8917
@burningdreamsinheaven8917 4 жыл бұрын
i dont know the lore so i thought it was the walls of her vagina.
@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena
@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena 4 жыл бұрын
@@burningdreamsinheaven8917 same
@GamePandaXXL
@GamePandaXXL 4 жыл бұрын
I love how Senna is constantly roasting Lucian
@tobiramasenju3064
@tobiramasenju3064 4 жыл бұрын
her interactions surely has to do with the lore since like, everybody almost knows lucians lore even from interactions towards him.
@hambonusmaximus
@hambonusmaximus 4 жыл бұрын
The quotes at the beginning were mostly just playful banter, like with Rakan and Xayah. Not necessary, but still adds character
@Azrimohr
@Azrimohr 4 жыл бұрын
8:17 I think that's a reference to their story, how Senna has a stoic character and Lucian's personality made her open up to him.
@magico1231
@magico1231 4 жыл бұрын
It can also be a sex joke. An innuendo if you must
@cnightly3824
@cnightly3824 4 жыл бұрын
Ulises Gonzalez worthy of a Lenny face
@magico1231
@magico1231 4 жыл бұрын
@@cnightly3824 indeed
@benjamincederberg818
@benjamincederberg818 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure her lore talks a lot about how she built walls so peaple wouldnt get close to her and then die to the mist, and that only (someone as stubborn as) Lucian could get past them. idk how Necrit missed it
@magico1231
@magico1231 4 жыл бұрын
@@benjamincederberg818 pretty sure she meant it as a metaphor not literally. I just made that joke. I'll wait for necrit lore video
@srbenda2349
@srbenda2349 4 жыл бұрын
Senna after she turned around in threshs lantern: so i started blasting
@nettioma1235
@nettioma1235 4 жыл бұрын
In the other Senna interactions video by skinspotlight. Senna said to Thresh about his coward heart beeing center of lantern. Can you exsplain that dear loregod?
@vicio19995
@vicio19995 4 жыл бұрын
senna, have no clue about what she is talking about, there you have it (when thresh dies his souls goes to the lanter sooo his soul is NOT in the lanter)
@Dinodroid3500
@Dinodroid3500 4 жыл бұрын
Shes taunting him
@UmbraMan1
@UmbraMan1 4 жыл бұрын
Thresh is exposed as a bitch and his fanboys are triggered.
@fatmand5920
@fatmand5920 4 жыл бұрын
In the interaction she actually says in the middle of the lantern there is a screaming soul I think it's you're soul Thresh
@onetwopikachu8122
@onetwopikachu8122 4 жыл бұрын
I actually saw in a video(can't remember which channel) where Senna has a quest Vs Thresh, Kinda similar to Khazix Vs Rengar quest or Ashe Vs Sejuanni Vs Lissandra quest.
@egemenbora
@egemenbora 4 жыл бұрын
Remember the leak while ago when the Name Aphelios appeared in riot playtest recordings. Name meaning farthest from the sun. I think Aphelios is our Lunari ADC (It could be a code name)
@7evenZee
@7evenZee 4 жыл бұрын
:0
@egemenbora
@egemenbora 4 жыл бұрын
7evenZee yaaay! I was right
@7evenZee
@7evenZee 4 жыл бұрын
Bora :000
@luna4076
@luna4076 4 жыл бұрын
damn bro you was right
@Axindoor
@Axindoor 4 жыл бұрын
5:20 what Senna means is that Demacia didn't bother to help them when they were attacked by the Harrowing and is planting whether they would abandon him (any Demacian) were it to happen again to the Demacian in question
@amen123abcd
@amen123abcd 4 жыл бұрын
Lore: Small detail Necrit: *See this.*
@CuriousLumenwood
@CuriousLumenwood 4 жыл бұрын
I know the interactions between Senna and Lucian don’t add much, and I’m totally okay with that. I just really love that we have another couple besides Rakan and Xayah. It’s really nice to just hear them
@sonicandtailsrock1
@sonicandtailsrock1 4 жыл бұрын
I have to say I recently saw some of Necrit's older videos, and his English has gotten much better and faster over time. You can tell the difference. Kudos to you!
@estrellaescobar5723
@estrellaescobar5723 4 жыл бұрын
8:04 That interaction is a reference to his biography. As the black mist haunted her since she was a child and brought misfortune to everyone she knew, she "built walls" to be emotionally detached from everyone... until she met Lucian.
@joellloyd2064
@joellloyd2064 4 жыл бұрын
And/or it was in reference to Lucian tearing her pussy up
@betwixtdimensions8871
@betwixtdimensions8871 3 жыл бұрын
Your Lunari breakdown was illuminating, very good reasoning; great content as always
@kamilczyzewski8753
@kamilczyzewski8753 4 жыл бұрын
I literally asked you about it today on Twitter XD Thank you Necrit ❤
@ariancomment9657
@ariancomment9657 4 жыл бұрын
Love your vids good job!!
@ryuujingunpla5394
@ryuujingunpla5394 4 жыл бұрын
Senna Interaction with tristana. Senna: mine's bigger.
@thesheriffofpiltover3807
@thesheriffofpiltover3807 4 жыл бұрын
Pulsefire caitlyn: Am I a joke to you?
@anadaere6861
@anadaere6861 4 жыл бұрын
Laughs in DC Jhin Yah foolish mortal and your feeble creations cannot compare to my ARTISTIC GENIUS OF A GUN *laughs in 4*
@ryuujingunpla5394
@ryuujingunpla5394 4 жыл бұрын
Jinx: really? I have a mini gun and a rocket luncher. Beat that.
@7evenZee
@7evenZee 4 жыл бұрын
BarrelMuffin its for snack breaks
@n.pinckney1271
@n.pinckney1271 4 жыл бұрын
8:04 walls I believe talk about her personality. In her story she shuts people out because of her curse.
@dynamiteruption
@dynamiteruption 4 жыл бұрын
Encountering Fiddlesticks: Another nightmare? Nocturne: I exist too, you know.
@kazu878
@kazu878 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Necrit, don't worry, I always watch the Skin Spotlights video before these videos.
@gamingidiots8671
@gamingidiots8671 4 жыл бұрын
Necrit *likes interactions from champions who talk about lore* Tahm Kench:"Let me in, let me iiiiiiiiiiin
@bthsr7113
@bthsr7113 4 жыл бұрын
I found you after skin spotlights, so in the future I'll probably watch you break the lore down after watching all the interactions on his video.
@paul9218
@paul9218 4 жыл бұрын
Love the puppet, saw it on Twitter and very happy you use it.
@vaggeelakis2242
@vaggeelakis2242 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Necrit, are you going to cover the lore of the new skinline : True Damage?
@bokitheemperor9962
@bokitheemperor9962 4 жыл бұрын
Yes he will,probably
@vaggeelakis2242
@vaggeelakis2242 4 жыл бұрын
@@bokitheemperor9962 yeah I am 100% sure he will do one, but ya know, I just wanted the confirmation
@swaggybaum6992
@swaggybaum6992 4 жыл бұрын
Waited the whole time for this video
@hamsalak9779
@hamsalak9779 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are masterful
@bthsr7113
@bthsr7113 4 жыл бұрын
I like the flavor interactions. These two bantering back and forth makes sense. They're busy enjoying the present with each other.
@Saltbeand
@Saltbeand 4 жыл бұрын
was waiting for this :D
@nikolawesely96
@nikolawesely96 4 жыл бұрын
the reference about the mist and help would make sense when taken into account the side mission with thresh
@nortcipe2090
@nortcipe2090 4 жыл бұрын
Oh boy been waiting for this
@creeperss11
@creeperss11 4 жыл бұрын
added 3 seconds ago been waiting for this
@Twomorre
@Twomorre 4 жыл бұрын
I just realized he's from CZ, well i guess im blind.
@drazdilshitpost
@drazdilshitpost 4 жыл бұрын
or deaf because of the accent
@einmulti7832
@einmulti7832 4 жыл бұрын
Yup, I also recently found out :D
@magpie4168
@magpie4168 4 жыл бұрын
wait what??? tedy cožeeee? :D
@Donkeh972
@Donkeh972 4 жыл бұрын
Ešte vám mliečko po brade tečie a nemate ani trojciferne iq nato aby ste si otvorili google a napisali odkial necrit pochádza deti :)
@magpie4168
@magpie4168 4 жыл бұрын
@@Donkeh972 tak ja se nikdy neptal nebo nezajímal :) ale přide mi to pravě cool že je z česka. btw proč hned tak toxic?
@benjib0yyy
@benjib0yyy 4 жыл бұрын
Love your channel and love your content brother, but you be taking your sweeeeeeet ass time sometimes and my nerves die weekly waiting for your amazing content lol.
@kulturertbaker5371
@kulturertbaker5371 4 жыл бұрын
Jhin: "Four" *Guido Mista doesn't like this.*
@user-ni2tp6ey6l
@user-ni2tp6ey6l 4 жыл бұрын
Necrit Squad! I was expecting your new upload!
@josiahdaviddeperalta9793
@josiahdaviddeperalta9793 4 жыл бұрын
Its really nice I've been watching your Vids for a year now and it helps me a lot to understand each and every champion that im playig and each and every updates the League has been releasing. And btw im setting my eyes now at the book that Riot is releasing, may i ask how can i get my hands on to those books😊 Im from Philippines btw. Thanks a lot😊😊
@tevitateulilo7573
@tevitateulilo7573 4 жыл бұрын
I really thought there would be an interaction with pyke. Pyke has an interaction with Lucian saying he’s met a ghost claiming to be his wife, thought she’d say hi to pyke or something.
@prideless2122
@prideless2122 4 жыл бұрын
well pyke was not in thresh's lantern
@tevitateulilo7573
@tevitateulilo7573 4 жыл бұрын
Vysarx der Schänder that’s not the point he’s met the ghost claiming to be Lucians wife(senna)
@prideless2122
@prideless2122 4 жыл бұрын
@@tevitateulilo7573 its just a taunt u know? and it wouldnt be possible for pyke to meet senna
@shingurren
@shingurren 4 жыл бұрын
I thought that second interaction implied lucian tried to pick it up when she wasn't there.
@shad899
@shad899 4 жыл бұрын
Love ya Necrit!!!
@pancakes322
@pancakes322 4 жыл бұрын
I remember hearing a senna line about her calling thresh a cowardly soul in the middle of the lantern, but it wasnt in the video
@JayKorota
@JayKorota 4 жыл бұрын
They did the thing with the Lunari tag already at the Pantheon rework. My theory of that being an Lunari teaser was dismissed by others back then but i think this happening twice with the roadmap in mind is a pretty good evidence
@DamianCRWDctrl
@DamianCRWDctrl 4 жыл бұрын
I've waited for this video
@sqentontheslime1967
@sqentontheslime1967 4 жыл бұрын
I reckon while the fiddle interaction was made with the new design in mind, but fiddle causing nightmares is probably from it just looking scary as heck, I doubt he actually influences nightmares other than just being scary, that’s nocturne’s job.
@zyibesixdouze4863
@zyibesixdouze4863 4 жыл бұрын
Nocturne is darkness, not nightmares. Fiddlesticks is fear incarnate of the runeterra universe.
@sqentontheslime1967
@sqentontheslime1967 4 жыл бұрын
Zyǐ Bésixdouze Didn’t nocturne show up in various people’s nightmares in one of his stories? Maybe that was something else. Ah yes, wasn’t it that story with lux stopping a nightmare monster? I guess that wasn’t nocturne. So he’s fear incarnate eh? Thanks for letting me know, I guess kindred isn’t the only spirit personification of something anymore.
@zyibesixdouze4863
@zyibesixdouze4863 4 жыл бұрын
@@sqentontheslime1967 For all we know, Nocturne and Fiddlesticks could all be lumped under nightmare spirits, there needn't be just one. But if I were to wager, Fiddle is fear and Nocturne is darkness (in sleep)
@eduardosilva8344
@eduardosilva8344 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know if anyone suggested this but it would be really cool if you made a series of Lore according to the timeline, from the beggining of Runeterra until now, that would be a sick series to watch!
@buttermoth8669
@buttermoth8669 4 жыл бұрын
I kinda want to see a theory video on what might be controlling the mist it’s self, like what creature is controlling the shadow isle because other then the champs from the shadow isles it seams like the mist always moves with a plan, it seams to be controlled and on a schedule almost, so I would love to hear your theories on that
@LilJDBamBam
@LilJDBamBam 4 жыл бұрын
“Lucian has a way of breaking down my walls” is also a spicy joke
@stiliyanbekyarski2030
@stiliyanbekyarski2030 4 жыл бұрын
Take a shot every time Necrit pauses the video and begins his sentences with “SEE THATS/THIS IS...”
@abelnazreen5719
@abelnazreen5719 4 жыл бұрын
Dude I only got one Liver
@hynoid.snightmare9393
@hynoid.snightmare9393 4 жыл бұрын
Xayah and Rakhan 2.0 And I fricking love it. (you can murder me for misspelling Rakhan later.)
@johndadatsis3632
@johndadatsis3632 4 жыл бұрын
Will you make a video about the new skinline? True damage one
@BrodinYT
@BrodinYT 4 жыл бұрын
The Joke Was He Doesn’t Know What He’s Doing So Senna’s Weapon Is Heavy AF To Him.
@abymarkose8261
@abymarkose8261 4 жыл бұрын
When is the Lorebook vid gonna come out. Finished reading it and kinda wanna know your take in it.
@zyron8214
@zyron8214 4 жыл бұрын
8:26 RIght now there is a teaser for the new Lunari champ at the game. SOmetime when a champ dies a blue flower appears. This flower is also surroundet by this chain we saw at the roadmap. When we combine this with the next new champ we can say that this is forshadowing for the new Lunari and that we dont have to wait so many weeks befor we get this champion.
@szymciupol
@szymciupol 4 жыл бұрын
For the fly problem I'd suggest investing in a electric fly swatter, those things work wonders.
@creatressanna8714
@creatressanna8714 4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that Zoe activates Lunari interactions as well, unless the champion has an interaction specifically for her instead. But the Lunari quote will definitely include the upcoming champion as well.
@sadesemolu
@sadesemolu 4 жыл бұрын
That Halloween cap actually made me uncomfortable. Ty for going back to the normal one.
@Kakul_Saydon
@Kakul_Saydon 4 жыл бұрын
there was a quote from senna i think where she says that there is a soul in the lantern that asks for help and that soul is threshs
@yulithecreator6889
@yulithecreator6889 4 жыл бұрын
It's kinda like a xsayah & Rakan type o thing :D we dont learn new stuff, but it's a treat
@marmyeater
@marmyeater 4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the island she was talking about the second time was the shadow isle she reunited with Lucian on.
@knockoffmjolnir4864
@knockoffmjolnir4864 3 жыл бұрын
I totally get what you're saying about the superficial nature of her interactions with Lucian, but they still make me smile. Nice catch with the Lunari thing.
@yesman2948
@yesman2948 4 жыл бұрын
In regards to Mordekaiser being from the Shadow Isles take a look at all the interactions the alters on Twisted Treeline have with him they know him and all about him the man says I will serve you Lord Mordekaiser so he might actually be there. There are a lot of them I can't remember them all.
@harryosborne8215
@harryosborne8215 3 жыл бұрын
“When the mist comes to Demacia...”
@hmmm.324
@hmmm.324 4 жыл бұрын
11:30 Its more of, she doesnt see thresh as the true enemy. Theory has it, It is most likely the Ruined King she is after. Or atleast of what I've heard...
@r.r815
@r.r815 4 жыл бұрын
Her bio literally says she and Lucian are moving on to the ruined king. I kinda want to see senna and lucian seeing yorick absolutely storm after mordecai and they're just like "nope"
@razb.t7187
@razb.t7187 4 жыл бұрын
Necrit, you have any video about the lunary/solary?
@Nube_Morada
@Nube_Morada 4 жыл бұрын
It's finally here
@pseudotenshi3431
@pseudotenshi3431 4 жыл бұрын
Wonder if there'll be an Illaoi story update, since the mist is getting updated. Plus can I ask something Does Nagakabouros really repel the mist?
@111Tommyg
@111Tommyg 4 жыл бұрын
My theory on the mist could be that it might be the ruined kings wife who he tried to resurrect but has been cursed so all it can do it howl at its inhabitants
@bergkatze3186
@bergkatze3186 4 жыл бұрын
I love necrit
@kazehini1196
@kazehini1196 4 жыл бұрын
Petition for a new top 5 based on lore list
@Jonttu12345678910
@Jonttu12345678910 4 жыл бұрын
Just thinking, she has quote with Yorick, and i was hoping that you had mentioined that if that has any purpose :D
@mariogorgees3489
@mariogorgees3489 4 жыл бұрын
How to get rid of Flies 1) Fill up a plastic cup 1/4th of the way with Vinegar 2) Cut a piece of banana and put it in the cup with part of it above the vinegar 3) cover the top with a plastic wrap 4) poke a hole into the top of the wrap 5) Flies will go into the cup but they won't be able to get out once inside. Problem solved... or get some Fly Paper Strips to do the Job
@TheShadowHonchkrow
@TheShadowHonchkrow 4 жыл бұрын
So, the part at 9:12 where you're talking about Skin Spotlights taking from the code, that's 100% correct! Uli has stated multiple times on Twtiter that he datamines the latest PBE patch for stuff like this
@catfood4142
@catfood4142 4 жыл бұрын
check Lucian's new interactions, quite a bit lore wide stuff there
@JurgenKristoff
@JurgenKristoff 4 жыл бұрын
Didnt noticed the lunari thing, i supose morde is coded as shadow island then.
@ninodacumos1413
@ninodacumos1413 4 жыл бұрын
The upcoming champ is a lunari.check their dev blog/champion roadmap. There's a teaser there which looks like a bracelet
@dvvna
@dvvna 4 жыл бұрын
Necrit i think there's something interesting in true damage skins splash art, you need to review it!
@gabrielamarieocreto8864
@gabrielamarieocreto8864 4 жыл бұрын
Hey necrit!! I want u to do a lored on the KDA. Please explain why Akali quit KDA i need explantions pleeeeaaase
@SparkeyAvalon
@SparkeyAvalon 4 жыл бұрын
Why does Lucian still have 2 guns? In the cinematic one of them was cut in two.
@ZenKih
@ZenKih 4 жыл бұрын
1:30 *Modern technology Laugh out loud Also, with these videos, i feel like it started out very detailed from you and you tries to cover most quotes, but as the vod goes on, the reflection on each quotes gets less and less (IDK whether you are just trying to make the video shorter though) Either way, great job, love your works
@YukihyoShiraki
@YukihyoShiraki 4 жыл бұрын
As to the demacia gates, the way her line goes it sounds like her island expected help from demacia or even went to them as refugees but their gates were closed, shutting them out and denying succor. This reminds me of ishgard in FFXIV who closed its gates to the rest of eorzea to focus on their war with the dravanians. I see demacia closing their gates to the world to focus their fight against magic
@erikklasen6440
@erikklasen6440 4 жыл бұрын
do a lore vid on every unknown place on the map
@ProfGrimm
@ProfGrimm 4 жыл бұрын
Do u think tresh will be get a rework ?
@evilcat542
@evilcat542 4 жыл бұрын
necrit plz explain to me why is it that mordekaiser is still considered a shadow isle champ even by new ones when it has been clearly stated that he have no tie with it (and is like terribly more powerful than the mist and what it contains (correct me if i'm wrong))
@DjuraValtr
@DjuraValtr 4 жыл бұрын
What about Lucian and Yorick? In Yorick's story he was taunted by a black mist. Could this black mist and Senna's mist be the same?
@OKIGorgon
@OKIGorgon 4 жыл бұрын
There is already youtube video showcasing all her abilities, so we all probably know what she can do... Especially that global Lux's R with W on top of that.
@anadaere6861
@anadaere6861 4 жыл бұрын
Lucian broke 1 of his guns right? Would he get a rework? Even something small
@dantesama5986
@dantesama5986 4 жыл бұрын
Good content
@kyleoncreed4227
@kyleoncreed4227 4 жыл бұрын
Imagen if the void and the mist started working together to consume the entirety of Runeterra Nw that's some nightmare fuel
@gabox340
@gabox340 4 жыл бұрын
bro she fires mist with the upper barrel and light with the lower barrel of her gun lol
@marianoel5364
@marianoel5364 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah that ranged fiora parry was OP i guess
@AldricSaint
@AldricSaint 4 жыл бұрын
The shooting reference which can be "falic" is also to a reference that senna is a better marksman lore wise
@dantezarath4274
@dantezarath4274 4 жыл бұрын
What if the quote to thresh is a hidden reference that we might be getting The Ruined King as a champ (saw this in another video)
@alexanderdejesus4986
@alexanderdejesus4986 4 жыл бұрын
Necrit her walls can also be a reference as them as a couple. As your significant other always has a way of breaking you down, like walls.
@Ray-yr8wv
@Ray-yr8wv 4 жыл бұрын
Necrit can you please explain senna and sylas interactions
@spassgost1762
@spassgost1762 4 жыл бұрын
Interactions don't just have to push the lore. If they just add character to our characters that's great. I love Senna and Lucian's interactions.
@sinvalenciano8305
@sinvalenciano8305 4 жыл бұрын
this kind of relationship please
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