NEVER Clean Your CNC Machine Again

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Power Move Engineering, Inc.

Power Move Engineering, Inc.

Күн бұрын

UPDATE ALERT: Much of the hardware shown in this video is no longer up to date. We made many improvements and have received great feedback from those who have been using this system. For a more up to date version of this product, watch this new video instead: https::/ • Automated CNC Washing ...
This system provides a new method of automating the cleaning of chips that are created during heavy machining.
If you have any questions, please place them in the comments below and we will get to each one!
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www.swarfdiablo.com
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00:00 - Intro
00:20 - What is the problem?
00:57 - Solution
02:13 - End Effectors
02:41 - Through-Wall Fittings
03:04 - Wall Mounts
03:26 - Hardware
03:44 - UMC-500
04:30 - Lean Manufacturing
04:45 - What is Next?

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@tinkot
@tinkot Жыл бұрын
Would've been cool to see it in action
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
Which part would you have liked to see in action? We’ll include it in our upcoming YT video and/or Instagram @powermove_eng
@terrellbradshaw3504
@terrellbradshaw3504 Жыл бұрын
Precisely
@PiCkUpdk
@PiCkUpdk Жыл бұрын
@@powermoveengineering show us it working and cleaning. Not just an install video
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
@@PiCkUpdk We are working on that too right now. Trying to get all of it posted by first week of January.
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
@@PiCkUpdk it’s not very easy to get good video inside of the machine with coolant running but we’re working on getting a GoPro time lapse during a heavy machining job so stay tuned!
@weldmachine
@weldmachine Жыл бұрын
Looks like a great product 👌 All the best getting it out there and sold to those who need it 👍
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
Weld Machine, thank you!
@Te4mUp
@Te4mUp Жыл бұрын
More assembling/seeing it in action would be awesome
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering 9 ай бұрын
We finally have a new video up about this. I hope it helps explain a few of the missing things from this old video. Thanks for the comment.
@superbadchad45
@superbadchad45 Жыл бұрын
This is such a sick plug and play solution!
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
We tried to make it as easy as possible to install. The hose routing is still a project but well worth it. Thank you Chad!
@cameronwilkins7360
@cameronwilkins7360 Жыл бұрын
Awesome work! Love it, ill have to look into this, my UMC500SS gets soooo full of chips, same with ALL my other haas!
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
Yep! That’s what happens when you make a bunch of chips. They simply don’t flow naturally to the conveyor. That’s what we wanted to fix with this system. It works well because it cycles the standard flow through 12 hoses and 108 nozzles to help push chips. Let us know if you have any questions about it!
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering 9 ай бұрын
We finally have a new video up about this. We made a lot of improvements to the design and hopefully the new video explains some things better as well. Thanks for your interest. Let me know if you have any questions!
@3073Sean
@3073Sean Жыл бұрын
Please show it in operation,.
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
Sean, thanks for the comment. Which process would you like to see in operation? This was one thing that I was worried we didn’t properly explain. It’s out of order but I think it’s all in there. Let us know and we’ll include it in the next video. Thanks
@3073Sean
@3073Sean Жыл бұрын
@@powermoveengineering Your fast response tells me you're monitoring your advertising meaning you care based on your reply. Good on ya. What I meant by can you show it in operation is show a machine full of chips in operation and how it’s keeping the chips from building up. You have a product that many of us just might purchase. My recommendation for what it’s worth, more than likely the most used machine in all of the US is more than likely the VF-3. I see you have a VF-2 that would work for demo as well. In marketing to cover the masses why don’t you target the biggest community? Not that many of us have UMC’s. I will use my self for an example, I own a VM-3, pretty much the same as a VF. I have a single auger in the machine which if I am correct that is also the majority of the machines. My issue of which is a complete pain in the you know what is the areas right and left of the table all the way to the back wall fills up with chips. Honestly in my application I more than likely would only need 2 nozzles. One right, one left. To the comment I made, show it in operation. In your video you show the spindle flood coolant working and a couple of other really quick shots. For advertising and what I would want to see is in order of the following. What it is, this you have done. Show it installed on a VF: “clean environment” Show the routing of the pipes: You do this but it shows a metric load of pipes which might be a deterrent as folks like me don’t need all of that. This is where your R and D might want to figure out a way to make simpler versions, or one you can cap off for the fitting you don’t need. Something along the line of that, so it can become expandable so to speak. Show it in operation and how well it works: Maybe let some chips build up, turn on your system and let us watch it work. Then as you do in the video, break down the mechanics of it. Lastly I would say and this is my compulsive side, is the box your plugging into the mother board of the HAAS. Did you use the same gauge wire or bigger internal in the box? If not, that can cause an undervoltage which can damage other components. Aftermarket electronics on a 140K machine is nerve racking for me. Show us you have done your homework on Ohm’s law, meaning that the electronic monitor and the pass thru side of your box has ZERO drop due to internal components and their sizes. All in all, if you do anything, show it working on a machine removing chips. This is just food for thought. I think you might be on to something though. Sean
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
@@3073Sean You bring up some good points that I want to cover as much as I can in this comment and in our next video. I agree that medium sized vertical mills are the most common need for a tool like this. The design was meant to be universal and although dealing with the hose routing is a project, it only needs to be done once and can be completed in a couple hours of work. One important thing we focused on was making all hoses inside the machine run vertically and therefore not collect chips on them. The process of mounting the hoses to the wall is easy except the adhesive needs some time to dry. For the relay box, we believe all electrical wires, components, connectors, and the design to be sound. The 12V motor circuit uses its own dedicated power supply and does nothing to inhibit the standard pump operation. It just uses a relay to “sense” when the pump is on or off. I will put an electrical schematic on the website. We are filming a full installation video right now that will dive deeper into the hose routing and overall operation. If you have any questions though, let me know and I will be glad to answer! Thanks for the advice!
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering 9 ай бұрын
We finally have a new video up about this. I hope the action shots are much better in the new one. Let me know if you have any questions! Thanks
@ayatotakema1194
@ayatotakema1194 Жыл бұрын
cool how about a swarf conveyor for the discahrge?
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
Our UMC-500 has a conveyor and our VF-2 has an auger which are the two main options available for CNC machines in general. We think both styles work relatively well. However many enclosed machines have near-level floors allowing for chips to build up excessively and not travel naturally to the conveyor. This product is simply designed to push everything downhill and eliminate the need to rake the chips by hand.
@cheeriomartinez
@cheeriomartinez Жыл бұрын
Where’s the other video of it in action?
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering 9 ай бұрын
We finally have a new video up about this. I hope the action shots are much better in the new video. Thanks for the comment.
@davidbcn84
@davidbcn84 Жыл бұрын
Cool product! It is really needed for the Haas machines. Are the nozzle around the spindle open when your new nozzle are flussing in the min 2:29? Which pump do you use in your machine? Would you ship this overseas? It would be fantastic if you make a manual with recommended nozzle positions for each model? Or at least the most common ones.
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
The pump on our machines are the standard 1 HP (0.75 kW) type, not their "high pressure" option. I honestly don't recall if the spindle nozzles were open during that shot but I believe they were. We have done as much as we realistically can to eliminate coolant bottle necks throughout the system, so it flows quite well no matter what. In our upcoming VF2 installation video we are going to show absolutely everything needed to do a full install. This includes nozzle locations, recommended hose routing, how to use the included and non-included hardware, time lapse videos, and answering other questions. I am also working on upgrading the info on the website to include electrical wiring and hose routing schematics. Let me know if I can help with anything else. Thanks for the comment!
@davidbcn84
@davidbcn84 Жыл бұрын
@@powermoveengineering great! I would really like to test your system. If it works as expected we will make it standard in our machines. When are you planning to release the demo video?
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it! We are hoping to get the installation and demo video up by the first week of January.
@davidsanchezmolinero1847
@davidsanchezmolinero1847 Жыл бұрын
@@powermoveengineering Hi! Looking forward to see the installation and demo video? Would it come soon?
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
@@davidsanchezmolinero1847 We are still working on it right now and it will be coming very soon. We ended up changing much of the hardware to make the system easier to install and more universal to all machines. Keep an eye out for the new video soon or if you would like to know more specifics, ask here or send an email to Bryan@PowerMoveEngineering.com. Thanks for the reply!
@dirtboy896
@dirtboy896 Жыл бұрын
Very cool
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
Thank you Jon!
@SlowReactionDriversAreTheWorst
@SlowReactionDriversAreTheWorst Жыл бұрын
So once your invention goes into production, what price range is your chip flushing device going for.
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
We have had many part runs and revisions and we feel that the current product is bulletproof and ready. Everything is machined in-house and any purchased hardware is easily attainable. We are working on the full installation video now. It is for sale on www.swarfdiablo.com for $1175 including shipping and sales tax. Let us know if you have any other questions and we would be glad to help. Thanks!
@SlowReactionDriversAreTheWorst
@SlowReactionDriversAreTheWorst Жыл бұрын
@@powermoveengineering Can you do a time lapse video of chip build up in CNC with and without Swarf Diablo. You have invented a product in the cnc machining field that can address the issue with chip problem shops have. You stand to capitalize on your invention if machine builders and other people do not copy from your system. I can only imagine what a high pressure coolant pump in conjunction with your product can do to a VF series fill with chips like in the video at 0:46. I think it would be a good addition to your product line if you machine a part just like the End Effector but instead of a round ball nozzle it uses standard 1/4 or 3/8 Loc Line modular hose system which can screw in and connect to, so cnc operator can direct a jet stream of coolant anywhere in the machine when switching to different jobs. Also have you thought about using strong magnet on your wall mounts instead of adhesive glue where it can be reposition anytime...but not sure if magnets stick to Haas enclosure.
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
@@SlowReactionDriversAreTheWorst We will try to set up a time lapse during our next job that makes a bunch of chips. Thanks for that suggestion. Our initial design for the end effector had three NPT holes for Loc-Lines. It worked well but after researching the cost it became expensive quickly because the whole system would need 36 lines and therefore many fittings. Maybe we can still offer this as an option if people thought it was far superior to the adjustable balls. We also considered neodymium magnets for the wall attachment and tried many different sizes. It is possible to use magnets however we weren't able to find a way to shield them from collecting steel chips. Also, the hose can have strong curved memory and requires a decent amount of holding force to route efficiently. We think that the Sikaflex attachment was the best solution because it is very strong once cured, does not react to coolant, and can still be removed somewhat easily if ever needed. We plan to dive into all of these topics in our next how-to video. Thanks for the comments and let me know if you have any other suggestions or questions.
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering 9 ай бұрын
@SlowReactionDriversAreTheWorst We finally have a new video up about this. We made a lot of improvements to the design and hopefully the new video explains some things better as well. Also reduced price from my previous comment here. Thanks for your interest. Let me know if you have any questions!
@alexhurd1038
@alexhurd1038 Жыл бұрын
We can never escape the sikaflex lol
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
Yep! It’s too sticky to escape, almost like sinking sand 😅 We tested some other structural adhesives but nothing resists coolant long term like sikaflex does. Only downside is the cure time of a few days.
@bene6230
@bene6230 Жыл бұрын
Next invention should be doors that you can actually see through
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering 9 ай бұрын
Million dollar idea right there! We finally have a new video up about this. I hope you can see through the glass much better in the new one. Thanks for the comment!
@fredwu8613
@fredwu8613 Жыл бұрын
People are certainly very nice and encouraging for all the positive comments. I will share my opinion, please excuse me if this is too straight forward. Just wanted to help. The cost of this unit is about the same as an additional high volume/flow pump. Then an over head shower set up would be much more effective comparing to spraying one nozzle at the time. Additionally you won’t have to deal with chip build up on the hose, nozzle, mounting clamps that are mounted so low in the machine….It seem to me this solution it’s a little too complicated than it needs to be.
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering Жыл бұрын
We are currently working on some improvements that will lower the cost in the near future. We’re working on eliminating the relay box entirely to make it more universal and adding an option for only 6 outlets instead of 12 for smaller machines. Both of these will eliminate hardware and drive the cost down. I’m not sure if I understand the benefit of an overhead shower since it doesn’t sound as powerful or able to reach hidden areas. Our current setup does not collect chips on it because everything inside the machine travels vertically and the wall mounts are angled at the top for this reason. Spraying one nozzle at a time was the goal of this system to allow for high pressure to exit in every location. IMO there’s no need to flush any single area for more than a few seconds at a time. One potential downside of adding another pump is that it can empty the tank into the enclosure faster than the enclosure can drain back to the tank. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks for the feedback!
@fredwu8613
@fredwu8613 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the reply. I’m glad to hear that you guys are making improvements. Don’t get me wrong I believe the system will work. And I must admit the Haas enclosure it’s a bit challenging in the aspect of chip flow and drainage when it comes to high production work environment. Our shop has 4 Haas needs frequent cleaning but all other machines are fine without needing much attention we just leave the wash down and conveyor on as long as the machine is running.
@steinarne79
@steinarne79 Жыл бұрын
Though the product you represent is very nice, it shows why cheap machines is cheap, they have do take away so muchin every apartment to make it attractive on PRICE...not quality
@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering 9 ай бұрын
I agree with this. We are fans of Haas but you still get what you pay for sometimes. We finally have a new video up about this. I hope the action shots are much better in the new one. Thanks for the comment!
@run-cnc
@run-cnc 7 ай бұрын
these are Haas issues only. Haas is terrible for lights out machining.
@adriand.896
@adriand.896 5 ай бұрын
Not a Haas specific issue, but it's possible you've only seen it be a prevalent issue if Haas machines. We run a few DMG machines where it can easily become an issue if, like the video mentioned, the operator doesn't wash down the machine regularly
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