New Subclasses in Explorer's Guide to Wildemount!

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More Wildemount! This time I'm covering the 3 new subclasses released in it, the Echo Knight Fighter, Chronurgy Wizard and Graviturgy Wizard. They're all unique and powerful, but I think Echo Knight is by far my favorite. It's also the first time in a long time I'm interested in playing a Fighter. What are your thoughts?
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Chronurgist Wizard 5:10
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@sejongtakenaka 4 жыл бұрын

Time to make a Hollow Echo Fighter known as "The Hollow Knight"

@mizerablegit4720 4 жыл бұрын

Get out 😅

@Pandormu 4 жыл бұрын

you win everything :D got a chuckle out of me

@aidanmills6136 4 жыл бұрын

You could homebrew an insectfolk race to go along with it.

@kholdstare1672 4 жыл бұрын

@@aidanmills6136 As someone who loves both Hollow Knight and D&D, I actually googled it a little while back, apparently there's a few instances of people homebrewing Hollow Knight stuff for D&D. (Partial) Bestiary of Hallownest: homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/HkY1IbG8V IMO, best Hallownest Playable Race: www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Hallownest_Inhabitant_(5e_Race) And, Hollow Knight custom Class, if that's up your alley: www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Hallownest_Knight_(5e_Class)

@shihi51 4 жыл бұрын

Never have i EVER read a subclass for a martial class and instantly come up with a character idea. They really struck gold with the Echo Knight

@bsmith6784 4 жыл бұрын

is it Naruto? lol

@emc246 4 жыл бұрын

Copying my comment here, it's long. Echo Knight sounds like it could make an awesome tank. If you max out your Dex/Strength to give it the highest armored possible you could block enemies on 2 adjacent tiles (for example, a small hallway) or 2 completely separate locations (ex: defending teammates who were separated). Even if the echo doesn't live long, you can make another on your next turn and switch places to be wherever you're needed most. 2nd thought: do the echoes have racial traits when created? A lot of cool combos could probably come from that, but the first one in my mind was Half-Orcs' ability to survive a deadly attack with 1 hp, allowing echoes to take 2 hits instead of 1.

@chrism6315 4 жыл бұрын

@@emc246 I think the biggest plus is sentinel, being able to hold people in place from two locations is possibly too good

@aodhfyn2429 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@aodhfyn2429 4 жыл бұрын

@@emc246 I do not believe the echo receives any of your other features. Its capabilities are clearly outlined, and it does not say it is a copy of you. The one thing it gets are features benefiting your attacks, as it serves as a literal extension of your attacks, so when you attack with it, it's actually you attacking.

@jinxtheunluckypony 4 жыл бұрын

Here’s my idea for an Echo Knight. The main character is a little kid and her Echo is her future self who’s desperately trying to keep her past self from getting killed.

@thesepretzelssuckass247 4 жыл бұрын

She was a consecrated Kryn warrior but is cursed will not be able to rebirth if she dies again

@HokkaidoMaster 4 жыл бұрын

That is rad

@scaevola 4 жыл бұрын

"main character"

@jinxtheunluckypony 4 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Snavely The one with a character sheet. Echoes are just a body with one hit point you can use to serve people attacks like a middle manger who delegates all of his responsibilities to someone else.

@scaevola 4 жыл бұрын

Jinx Jade i know what the echoes are lmao

@LordZeebee 4 жыл бұрын

Imagine Convergent Future as the Chronurgist catching the die as it's falling, asking the DM what number would succeed and then putting down the die with either that number or one below. That's it. Could've been written better but that's what the ability does.

@DMKen 4 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. You don't succeed on a 5, your 5 is now whatever number meets the DC

@sethshinoko6611 4 жыл бұрын

I agree that’s how it’s supposed to be interpreted

@MrVGamerV 4 жыл бұрын

Thy could have just said you choose if it succeds or missed. But I am curious if the intention was to allow it to bypass crits and crit misses.

@The_Yukki 4 жыл бұрын

I see the convoluted text as a mean to give it a work around. Let's say your fighter attacks a wizard, rolls 10 total vs wizards idk 14 ac, chronurgist turns that 10 into 14 as reaction, wizard can use his reaction to use shield and get higher ac

@Khaons 4 жыл бұрын

For a moment I thought I worked like this: if someone tries to hit and the dice plus the bonuses rolls like a 23, you can say "no lul, my AC is 24"

@sorrowrpg6739 4 жыл бұрын

There's a simple solution to your doubts, it says: ignore the roll, so there was no "1", there was "something" that hits.

@holden426 4 жыл бұрын

That's how I took it as well. You ignore the roll of the die and just use the number. It's either enough to hit/succeed or it's not.

@theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet 4 жыл бұрын

Assuming AC or DC 16, you can force a success of exactly 16, or you can force a failure of exactly 15.

@MrKaelas 4 жыл бұрын

@@theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet that's how I interpreted it. Whatever your target number is (AC or DC or skill check) you can either succeed, or make it a failure by 1 number.

@Onixsword 4 жыл бұрын

There are some ways to work with that "1". If you use the convergent future to succede a roll against a wizard of 14 AC, the wizard can use it's reaction to cast shield and block your now roll of 14 with an AC of 19.

@MrKaelas 4 жыл бұрын

@@Onixsword same with it being a 13 though, which is more how I interpret the ability.

@levkrasovsky4920 4 жыл бұрын

Alright, now the fighter has the stand-user subclass, which could double well with the Astral Self monk in the same party

@JayfroC 4 жыл бұрын

ft. the Ancestral Guardian barbarian

@ataberkdedemen9802 4 жыл бұрын

Ancestral guardian barbarian (XGtE) & wildfire druid (UA) are also stand user subclasses.

@levkrasovsky4920 4 жыл бұрын

@@ataberkdedemen9802 Oh yeah, true, thanks for the reminder! Now, how viable would this kind of party be?

@IHateNumbersOnNames 4 жыл бұрын

Time for a.... *Fucking Crusade*

@lordilluminati5836 4 жыл бұрын

@@levkrasovsky4920 the wildfire druid would be pulling double time as the only healer and support caster-while also being a damage-centered subclass. meh, they'd still melt everything IMO, the ancestral guardians would mean that when the echo knight uses his echo to eat hits for others they'd have disadvantage to hit, but that's a 1/SR ability. basically, a lot of tanking and a lot of instant damage. the fighter should use an ASI on the healer feat so they're not all dependant on the druid, but that's a very durable party anyway.

@JayfroC 4 жыл бұрын

Whoa, I can play as a time wizard? *Brooklyn accent intensifies*

@Realperson16 4 жыл бұрын

YGOTAS Reference?

@DeetotheDubs 4 жыл бұрын

Nyah!

@UrsaFrank 4 жыл бұрын

You can but you have to flip a coin first. Call the flip wrong and your character and party dies

@Realperson16 4 жыл бұрын

@@UrsaFrank lol

@JayfroC 4 жыл бұрын

@@Realperson16 Sure is, friend ^^

@WhiteSekii 4 жыл бұрын

2 extra feet of movements means that 1 foot is 3 feet. It's more than difficult terrain, it's 15 feet per square.

@maxttozer5037 4 жыл бұрын

you also cant get around it with effects that circumvent rough terrain, which is nice

@chiloutdude5130 4 жыл бұрын

On Convergent Future, it says you ignore the die roll and then make the decision; as such, I believe what it's saying is less "1 is good enough to hit" and more "Actually, he didn't roll a 1, he rolled exactly what he needed to, combined with his modifiers, to hit that monster's AC. Whatever that number is." Conversely "No, that monster didn't roll a nat 20, he rolled...whatever he needed to roll to miss my AC of 13." If it was just a matter of deciding that the 1 was good enough, it wouldn't say to ignore it. I agree it's written badly. I think it'd be easier to just copy the wording of Legendary Resistance, where they can just choose success (or failure) instead. There may be a reason why it uses numbers instead of just choosing to succeed/fail, but I can't think of it off the top of my head.

@jessebyrd5621 4 жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I am thinking! I've seen similar abilities in other games, so it came more naturally to understand that the ability changes the roll to the number needed, and then augments it.

@Negeta 4 жыл бұрын

There are some checks that are made worse by failing by 5 or more, like a Medusa’s gaze or some traps going off on a thieves’ tools check to disable. I imagine the point of specifying is for those niche cases. “He only failed the petrifying gaze by 1, so he’s not automatically petrified.”

@alanglass7949 4 жыл бұрын

I think its worded that way because I believe the idea is that you are using potential timelines as a guide to determine the outcome and if something is actually impossible then you can't rules lawyer a success, in the cases of inexperienced DM's.

@walterberger1930 4 жыл бұрын

I think its worded like this because if a player were to nat 1 on a attack role, and then the wizard uses this feature to try and make them hit, they would still miss because its a critical failure. When you nat 1 it doesn't matter if your modifier is 5 and their ac is now 6, you still miss. Where as choosing for a creature to succeed or fail negates crit fails and successes.

@chiloutdude5130 4 жыл бұрын

@@walterberger1930 Except it expressly tells you ignore the die roll.

@DanielEleveld 4 жыл бұрын

According to Crawford, fists are weapons when used to hit. Violent attraction lets you add 1d10 as a reaction. Bar room brawl time.

@joshholmes1372 4 жыл бұрын

I would have liked the graviturgist to have the ability to reduce damage and fall damage.

@karpmageddon4155 4 жыл бұрын

I was surprised to not see fall damage reduction but I guess they figured that it step on the toes of feather fall. And honestly if I take this subclass, I'll end up taking feather fall anyways for thematic reasons at least. So no big deal but it does seem like it should be there.

@joshholmes1372 4 жыл бұрын

@@karpmageddon4155 good points

@ATinyWaffle 4 жыл бұрын

They should have got Reverse Gravity always automatically known!

@binolombardi 4 жыл бұрын

Feather fall seems like a good pick for that.

@bsmith6784 4 жыл бұрын

@@ATinyWaffle Wouldn't make that much sense to single out that one spell when they're adding brand new gravity-based spells

@NRush1100 4 жыл бұрын

For convergent future you're leaving out the fact that it says "ignore the die roll." Essentially, as a reaction, the chronurgist can do the same as the divination wizard's portent. The differences being the choice can be made after rolling, and instead of changing the roll to a specific number they make it meet the AC or DC needed to succeed fail by 1. So in your example of a crit fail, for the expended reaction that chronurgist changes that crit fail to the minimum needed, be it an 8 to hit a zombie or 21 to hit a well armored fighter

@JohanLevyTheCreator 4 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking

@kylestanley7843 4 жыл бұрын

Because fuck portent I guess lol

@andrewmcmillan229 4 жыл бұрын

@@kylestanley7843 Portent doesn't cause exhaustion

@malmasterson3890 4 жыл бұрын

@@andrewmcmillan229 And portent is level 2,meaning it's still much better as a rogue, fighter, and artificer dip.

@UmekCrafter 4 жыл бұрын

Also 1 more, or 1 less then enouth is not a lot and enemy bard would easly counter that

@agent00puffball 4 жыл бұрын

The Echo Knight is awesome. Really hit it out of the park with that subclass.

@greyborg3846 4 жыл бұрын

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@thesepretzelssuckass247 4 жыл бұрын

*Dndbeyond guys*

@Killstone12 4 жыл бұрын

For anyone still confused about Convergent Future it is meant to work like this: 1) Lets say an enemy makes an attack and rolls a Nat 20 with a +5 to hit on an AC 16 PC. 2) Wizard uses this ability and makes the (number rolled = to AC/DC - modifier, then +/- 1) depending if they want the person to succeed or fail. 3) So "The minimum number to succeed" is referring to after adding Modifiers as shown in the equation above. 4) Meaning this would cause the enemy to have ended up rolling either a (16-5=11-1= 10) or a (16-5=11+1= 12) on their attack roll depending on what the wizard chose. 5) There is 1 caveat which is the number has to be inbetween 1-20, so if a moving a boulder requires a DC 30 Str check, and the PC has a +5 to Str then in order to succeed they would have to roll a 25 which is impossible so it would become a nat 20 which yields them a 25 which is still a failure. HOWEVER when it comes to ATTACK rolls that would mean they would Crit and get to double the damage dice, same goes for a Natural 1 on an attack roll.

@ibrahimharmoush6942 4 жыл бұрын

I really wished that instead of 2 wizards, we would've got a sorcerer subclass with either flavors

@persephonehades7547 4 жыл бұрын

Or a rogue with time abilities.

@blackfang0815 4 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. Wizard has like twenty subclasses now and makes all the magic users share their toys with them, and Sorcerer has what, five subclasses?

@NotsoNaisu 4 жыл бұрын

I'll be honest though I think the Clockwork Sorcerer from the recent UA's actually kinda helps cover that feel whether intentionally or not. >.>

@malmasterson3890 4 жыл бұрын

It also irks me that now the wizard is tied for most subclasses. *sad divinity noises*

@zach1972 4 жыл бұрын

@@blackfang0815 The problem is that a lot of Wizard subclasses aren't that good, as far as I've read, most of the schools of magic subclasses aren't great

@robmartinez1627 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for being so on the spot with you uploads and coverage of d&d news in genral. Its criminal that you dont have more subscribers. Hands down your my favorite d&d youtuber

@YourBoyNobody530 4 жыл бұрын

So one thing I would love to do with the echo fighter is have the character be blind so they hear echo's of other worlds to call upon then do something like summon a familiar so you can see through the familiars eyes

@Mugthraka 4 жыл бұрын

Avatar last airbender's Toph Baifong. Use vibrations as echolocations to see around her and to create Echos.

@mjr8888 4 жыл бұрын

Weakness: anything not touching the ground. Result: hilarity.

@YourBoyNobody530 4 жыл бұрын

@@Mugthraka Not quite considering he will have an echo fighter, and doesn't use earth bending also I don't play female characters because I'm not good at roll playing them

@YourBoyNobody530 4 жыл бұрын

@@mjr8888 Well blind sight does go vertically also hearing and smell are a thing so using those he could do some work

@YourBoyNobody530 4 жыл бұрын

@@mjr8888 Though I completely agree in the hilarity part as it would just be cool you just need to pick up the ritual casting feat to summon up a familiar or put a few levels into wizard

@Lawlbyte 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! I believe the interpretation of the Convergent Future subclass feature is that the rolled number is changed similar to how the Portent feature of a diviner wizards replaces the roll. I think the wording is written as such to make it more general so that it can apply to rolls when the players do not know the AC or DC required to succeed.

@wildankautsar7148 4 жыл бұрын

Echo Knight feels like an official brother of The Order of Ghostslayer

@shanerooney7288 4 жыл бұрын

8:12 "Convergent Future" ability. I'm pretty sure his interpretation of the ability is wrong. [9:08] "The chronogist can say 'Five is enough' " No.... the way I read it is that if you need a roll of 10 to succeed, then the chronogist can say you either rolled a 10 ("the minimum needed to succeed") or a 9 ("or one less than that") NOT saying that "five is enough" but quite literally IGNORING THE DICE ROLL, just like the wording of the ability. [9:40] "a nat 1 is always a miss and a nat 20 is always a hit" But we are _ignoring the dice roll._ You didn't roll a nat 1, you rolled whatever the chronogist says ("The minimum needed to succeed"). The enemy didn't roll a nat 20, the enemy rolled whatever the chronogist says.("or one less than that"). EDIT To be clear, it is the minimum roll needed to succeed, not the AC. If you have an AC15 and a +5 mod, the roll needed is 10.

@LordEnder97 4 жыл бұрын

Shane Rooney Thank god that some people actually understand the ability. hearing almost everyone saying its worded "funky" HAS BEEN DRIVING ME F**KING INSANE!!!!!

@Jhakaro 4 жыл бұрын

In fairness I read it more as you roll a 1 but can decide that 1 is enough. Do t know why he'd be adding modifiers to it but still if the intended use is as you say and you actually change it to like 15 to hit an AC of 15 or one less then it is worded a bit odd. Once you see that interpretation it makes sense but at the same time it says ignore the die roll not ignore modifiers so like let's say an enemy rolls a 19. And you say no the roll is 16 because your AC is 17 do they still add their modifier to that result making the ability in this regard practically useless in most situations? Diviners swap out rolls but still add mods to them after. Is this different? It's very unclear

@shanerooney7288 4 жыл бұрын

@@Jhakaro , you're getting confused because you're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. "You roll a 1 but decide 1 is enough" doesn't fit the wording of the ability. You roll a 1... And then completely ignore the fact you rolled a 1, because the ability says "use your reaction to ignore the dice roll..." Once you realize the old dice roll is ignored the next part makes more sense. You can't determine the AC based on the roll because we have ignored the roll. Thus clearly we must determine the roll based on the AC. BUT... Your point about modifiers made me realize I'm oversimplifying it. It should be based on your AC + modifiers. If you have an AC15 with a +5 modifier, what roll is "the minimum needed to succeed" ? 10. Rewording the ability to make it easier to understand wouldn't be a bad thing. But I don't see it as a necessity. The ability can be understood as is.

@AdrasAdraki 4 жыл бұрын

Backseat dm?

@minibuscus2 4 жыл бұрын

Convergent Future works like this: creature makes an attack roll saving throw or ability check, you ignor the roll and it turns into just enough to hit (ie AC of the bear is 19, your roll becomes a 19) or it becomes 1 lower then the number needed to succeed (ie the AC of the bear is 19, your roll becomes 18) Think of it like the diviner’s potent ability but instead of a set number it is either the exact the number needed to succeed or 1 less than was needed to succeed

@Agroveb 4 жыл бұрын

I think the point of the chromomancy feature being phrased that way is so that the roll doesn’t automatically succeed or fail. This way something like shield or cutting words can still change the outcome

@fascistfig6613 4 жыл бұрын

Echo Knight? More like Bright Lord, just need spirit guardians and dominate person/monster then bam

@bsmith6784 4 жыл бұрын

I don't get that reference. I mainly thought of Shadow Clones lol

@fascistfig6613 4 жыл бұрын

B Smith Bright Lord is Shadow of Mordor/War lmao

@mikecarson7769 4 жыл бұрын

thank you for for the informative review so quickly! insights are helpful while going through all of this new information 1. Echo Knight jumped out as fun to play, both as character and NPC - could work thematically with another character of a Divination Wizard or this new Chronurgy Wizard 2. Graviturgy Wizard seems interesting - would be curious to see it in action, maybe in combination or competing against someone with telekinesis 3. Chronurgy Wizard seems like a thematic twist of the Divination Wizard - in both cases, would be tempted to add feats of "alert" and "lucky" - could be super villain 4. still reading through the new spells and other information - already can see options that will enhance and expand the three new subclasses, more than what i would have thought at first when reading the subclass descriptions

@HugoGlz56 4 жыл бұрын

I've seen the listing in DnD Beyond and I think it's great value, 3 subclases, 48 monsters and 46 magic items and 15 spells.

@bryansinger3751 4 жыл бұрын

Convergent Future: if a creature's AC is 16, you can make the roll 15 or 16. It is worded in that way as to not make this feature create an automatic hit. If you make the roll a 16 the enemy can use Shield to increase their AC, making the attack miss. The wording also allows for Legendary Resistance.

@Artemisthemp 4 жыл бұрын

Agree with you. I got so excited that I made a Echo Knight backup character

@ASquared544 4 жыл бұрын

That Chronal Shift ability reminds me of an altered portent, where it is comparable, but not better nor worse than it. Portent gives you insurance, knowing exactly what the result of your alteration will be, while Chronal Shift allows you to change things after the effects of the result are determined.

@chameleonx9253 4 жыл бұрын

Convergent Future is basically just saying that you ignore the dice and choose what number was rolled. So if you attack a creature with AC 18 and your attack roll is a 4, the Chronogist can say "Nope, that was an 18." Likewise, if your Save DC is 15 and the enemy saves with a 25, the Chronogist can say, "Nope, that was a 14."

@GURGLEGUY12345 4 жыл бұрын

I'm really glad they finally came out with a time mage. I've had this idea for one that was basically just the infamous halfling Divination Wizard flavoring luck as time magic.

@StevoM08 4 жыл бұрын

Was reading these before bed last night and man the echo knight is the only fighter I ever want to play now.

@karpmageddon4155 4 жыл бұрын

Everyone has pointed out Hollow Knight but an Echo Knight hollow could easily be the Lord Marshal from Chronicles of Riddick, which they pointed out as a creepy way to imagine your other self. 🤓

@darkangelziggy286 4 жыл бұрын

I definitely was picturing the final battle from the Chronicles of Riddick when he was describing the echo's combat abilities.

@biohazard724 4 жыл бұрын

Or Zane from Borderlands 3

@karpmageddon4155 4 жыл бұрын

@@biohazard724 True. And in fact looking at recent UA, newly released subclasses and the artificer, it definitely seems like people on the design teams are a fan of Borderlands. As at this point you can recreate many of the Vault Hunters with relative ease.

@masonkelber4381 4 жыл бұрын

The first thing I thought of when I heard echo fighter was you could essentially have madara’s limbo clones.

@FalloutBattles 4 жыл бұрын

These look awesome!

@Unseenarchivist 4 жыл бұрын

Echo Knight has so many fun possibilities, honestly one of the things that occured to me with it was the potenial for a ranged combat based Echo Knight with the free attacks from the echo plus the ability to snap to it's location.

@TheLordofMetroids 4 жыл бұрын

Summon the Echo with a bow equipped, switch to a melee weapon, and now you have a convenient fall back position.

@VoronelType00 4 жыл бұрын

What'd you mean funky? Convergent Future it's pretty simple. You IGNORE the dice roll, so it doesn't matter if the result is a 1 or 20. The time wizard then say if was a success or a fail by 1.

@twheelchairracer26 4 жыл бұрын

While I think the wording is clunky too, I think the chronomancer final feat is it allows you to ignore the dice roll since that's what it says. I think it's a slightly weaker version of divination wizards spell. Basically if you roll a 1 but the DC is 15 it changes the total number you got including modifiers to 15. If you want an enemy to fail it changes their total number rolled to 14.

@ANDELE3025 4 жыл бұрын

Excluding the modifiers. It explicitly states you treat the roll, not the result.

@AVeganPotato 4 жыл бұрын

I think its important to note that the last feature for gravity wizard isn't difficult terrain because that doubles the amount of movement needed so it takes 4 feet for every one foot moved which is crazy powerful

@s.colins2050 4 жыл бұрын

I think you would benefit less from thinking that convergent future is an ability that changes the DC of a roll, and one where you pick the timeline where the roll itself just barely succeeds or fails, and have that be the one the players experience. That said, there's little wording on how that would effect a crit success if it is the minimum needed to succeed. I think that's where my issue with the funky wording comes from. It's an easy enough ruling for the DM to make in my eyes, though. Not commenting on the preferences I have for it, just that it's a yes or no question and one I don't think would require a deep dive in a book to make it on the fly.

@bsmith6784 4 жыл бұрын

it also doesn't seem to account for other after-the-fact modifications like Bardic Inspiration, etc

@s.colins2050 4 жыл бұрын

@@bsmith6784 I mean, that's just math to figure out the minimum needed to roll. Because it's basically a succeed or fail, any bonuses are arbitrary. Subtract any character based bonuses like persuasion or an attack roll bonus from the DC. After that, you have the combined minimum that any rolls would have to equal out to. Doesn't matter what they equal, so long as they equal that, or 1 below it. It's just an arbitrary way of saying success or failure, so the rolls themselves are arbitrary, and just fitting into the rules of the game.

@bsmith6784 4 жыл бұрын

@@s.colins2050 If that were the case, it'd take up less text to just say "succeed or fail" - which is something publishers always look for. It _not_ doing that means these implications are probably correct - non-inherent modifiers to the roll can change the result over that threshold. At the _very_ least modifications to the roll that occur _after_ you use convergent future would do that.

@Jhakaro 4 жыл бұрын

@@s.colins2050 nah I don't think so. As others pointed out, if that were the case it would just say succeed or fail. It seems you still add modifiers and such. Like bardic inspiration or bless, you can't even know what you'll roll before hand so you'd have to roll all benefits, add up you mod and then subtract that from the results just to find the roll needed to succeed or fail by one which would be a nightmare. It's worded pretty poorly regardless.

@solarisdevorak 4 жыл бұрын

I think the way that spell works is you decide if it's 1 more or less than the AC or DC... Regardless of what was rolled.

@ASquared544 4 жыл бұрын

I think the Convergent Future Ability is actually supposed to be interpreted to where you can make any ability check, save, or attack roll automatically succeed or fail, UNLESS it is a natural 1 or 20, as those fail & succeed regardless of what is required.

@Konpekikaminari 4 жыл бұрын

pretty sure it skips the roll completely basically once the roll is called for, but before it was made, you spend a reaction to declare the roll either successful or failed by 1 (probably for cases like "if failed by 5 or more")

@Lunarcheese72 4 жыл бұрын

So at 7th level, I can basically teleport 1000 feet if walk/travel the Echo that far? And, should I waltz the Echo into a place in the dead of night and say, I swing my mace from whatever hideyhole I'm in, I can take an additional attack with the Echo and straight up Renly Baratheon a motherfucker? Gimme.

@Killer66hitman 4 жыл бұрын

Get some points of rogue in ye and stealth kill anyone from a mile away

@Lunarcheese72 4 жыл бұрын

@@Killer66hitman Right? I'm thinking Assassin or Swashbuckler could be good. Or maybe a gloomstalker? many options to play around with

@agilemind6241 4 жыл бұрын

3 rogue (assasin), 5 fighter (echo knight) + 3 ranger (gloomstalker) = sneak into a castle find the BBEG asleep and make 7 attacks all as auto-criticals in one round from your echo... == Broken!

@mduckernz 4 жыл бұрын

I agree, the Echo Knight is probably the coolest and most powerful of the subclasses. I'm interested to see how you could use it with multi classing, and use the echo to gain reliable access to Sneak Attack 😁 by putting it next to enemies (so they're engaged with it). Also, useful for teleporting in and out of cover! Also could be used for infiltration at very low risk, by using it's Familiar-like features, controlling it remotely (up to 1000ft!) Since it has the same abilities as you, it's far more powerful than a traditional familiar for this purpose, because it can pick locks, disarm traps, etc, all with your own proficiencies! If it gets caught, attacked etc, you can just dismiss it, and there is literally nothing left behind to be incriminating, and you suffer no damage. You don't even need to spend anything (zero consumed materials cost!) to bring it back again when you next need it, unlike a familiar if it dies, and doing so is also a lot faster. It's a hell of a subclass, and has such good potential for story flavouring too...

@agilemind6241 4 жыл бұрын

Plus you can attack from it as if it was yourself and teleport to it or back again, so you can sneak in and make 7 attacks that are auto-crits if you multiclass right with zero costs or risks to yourself.

@sailorjef5072 4 жыл бұрын

Great review!

@denzii6636 4 жыл бұрын

Another great video !

@aliciacordero7436 4 жыл бұрын

The way I read that chronurgist feature is they can decide "no that misses" or "actually that hits". They ignore the die roll and decide the outcome themselves, the weird specificity just means that they can't decide it's a critical hit or a critical miss (the latter mattering if the group uses a critical fumble table)

@trinityshew9456 4 жыл бұрын

It says you ignore the roll. The nat 1 or 20 no longer exists. It changes the number to whatever hits or misses. If they roll a 40 to hit your ac of 16, the roll is now a 15.

@xdude0272 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Nerd Immersion, keep doing what your doing.

@MrJerichoPumpkin 4 жыл бұрын

about Chronurgy MAgic 14th level feature: it's worded that way so that other features can bypass it, like the ones that let you add a dice to a roll or to roll an additional dice

@Mr_Maiq_The_Liar 4 жыл бұрын

I think the way the convergent future is worded is to make automatic misses and hits like nat 20s and 1s have higher priority. Even if the AC is momentarily 5, you auto miss

@prophetisaiah08 4 жыл бұрын

A fighter that does more than stab? How novel. Champion: big stab. Battle Master: custom stab. Eldritch Knight: magic helps you stab. Cavalier: You and me are gonna stab! Arcane Archer: stab from all the way over here. Samurai: stab Asian style. Echo Knight: I can stab, but I'm also 2 people!

@Almighty_Mage 4 жыл бұрын

Well all martial classes basically just "stab"

@karpmageddon4155 4 жыл бұрын

😅

@thefunnynamehere266 4 жыл бұрын

rune night

@persephonehades7547 4 жыл бұрын

@@thefunnynamehere266 Giant stab.

@lordilluminati5836 4 жыл бұрын

it's a stabbing class, what did you expect?

@Naivedo 4 жыл бұрын

How Convergent Future works is: if you need 18 to hit, you can turn anything lower to a 18 including a nature 1 or if the enemy is targeting you, and they get 18 or a natural 20 to hit you, and your AC is 18, you can turn it into a 17. Basically, critical fails and successes are erased because the original roll is ignored. It is written in a way that ignores criticals, and turns them into normal hits or failures.

@spats3641 4 жыл бұрын

If I'm reading the wording of that correctly, it is each time a spell hits that you can move them. It's janky, but that means you can push people back 15 feet with each beam of Eldritch Blast if you have repelling blast, or add 5 feet to any of the other movement-impairing invocations.

@sparkytdk4878 4 жыл бұрын

If i had to guess the convergent future is worded the way it is because a nat 1 always missing/crit failing, and a nat 20 always hitting/crit hitting are actually optional/house rules. It is just that every one uses them.

@aricmajere1720 4 жыл бұрын

Convergent Future: It says in the text to ignore the die roll. You change the die to the number that is needed.

@khafaniking1230 4 жыл бұрын

I really want to make a stealthy dex fighter who is an echo knight, but flavor the echo as a shadow clone. Unleash an Uzumaki barrage with me and the clone pummeling some dude, and when I get “hit” just bamboozling them with a substitution. Use the shadow clone as a scout for reconnaissance as well.

@NerdImmersion 4 жыл бұрын

Just gotta find a way to get a rasengan ability

@alexjgilpin 4 жыл бұрын

14:42 It's not difficult terrain, it's super extra difficult terrain. Every foot costs +2 extra+ feet of movement, not 1 extra foot, so moving 5 feet under this effect would cost you 15 feet of movement.

@intoHeck1964 4 жыл бұрын

i think Convergent Future works similar to the rogues reliable talent where it alters the number rolled so that (even taking modifiers into account) the target can succeed or fail

@Pandormu 4 жыл бұрын

don't forget you can teleport to the echo while using Echo avatar which is effectively a 1000ft teleport per short/long rest, provided it gets to the location, which is nice

@712toaster 4 жыл бұрын

Gravity well; when you cast a spell (this happens before the spell resolves or is executed) per specific wording When-Cast. In my understanding you may cast a spell selecting a target, move the target, resolve the spell, etc.

@712toaster 4 жыл бұрын

Also my interpretation is heavily based in MTG, which it appears lately (5e) use the same language particularly with newer mechanics and supplements. I have found this approach to 5e rulings make a lot of sense thematically more often than not. Stack and layer manipulation as well as game state checks etc is what I’m referring to.

@kredonystus7768 4 жыл бұрын

Crits only work when it comes to damage rolls. I think the Convergent Future is worded like that so it won't affect crit attacks. So if you roll a natural 2 the Wizard can say that hits but if you roll a natural 1 it will miss anyway. If it was meant to bypass crits then the feature would have been worded along the lines off "When you or a creature you can see within 60 feet of you make an ability check, attack roll or a saving throw, you can use your reaction to make that roll succeed or fail (your choice)".

@SwordKirby110 4 жыл бұрын

With the Event Horizon feature it isn't difficult terrain on success, it's an additional 2 feet for every one feet they move, which is way better because it stacks with other movement penalties.

@captainthorrek262 4 жыл бұрын

I figured the roll changed to whatever was the bare min/max to pass/fail the roll. I like this, because it keeps characters from turning a fumble into a crit, or vice versa

@cirrezm 4 жыл бұрын

I think the Convergent Future ability is worded that way for reaction shenanigans

@Suavek69 4 жыл бұрын

Shadow mono or whatever it's called with 3 levels into fighter for echo abilities seems sweet as hell

@dapperdrifter5449 4 жыл бұрын

I read Convergent Future as you ignore the die roll no matter what it is, and the number becomes X or X-1, whatever the number needed is. So if a creature gets a natural 20 to hit a target with 16 AC, you take a point of exhaustion to make the total 15.

@GURGLEGUY12345 4 жыл бұрын

I played *Etrian Odyssey Nexus* recently, so the Echo Knight (which sounds a lot like the Hero class from that game) already appeals to me.

@OrbitalLunatic 4 жыл бұрын

I think you missed the part where Covergent Future ignores the die roll. It is just saying that if you have an attack modifier of +4 and your target has an AC of 19, then you can decide that the die roll is a 15 or a 14, ignoring whatever the die roll actually was.

@Idziemel1 4 жыл бұрын

OrbitalLunatic okay, but can you decide that it was a -4, if the enemy has a +16 bonus and your friend (sounds like a wizard) has an AC of 13?

@OrbitalLunatic 4 жыл бұрын

@@Idziemel1 I'd say yes, because that's what the ability states it does, but maybe a Sage Advice about die results would be helpful. It could have been worded, "you decided whether the die result is a success or failure" for sure.

@RoastedPheasant 4 жыл бұрын

My immediate thought on hearing about the echo fighter is “this will be really useful if I’m falling into a pit trap”

@JasonMcLaughlin19 4 жыл бұрын

I believe that with the 14th level chrono wizard ability it saying you the caster stops the target from rolling period and you decide whether they succeed or not

@christianthomas5188 4 жыл бұрын

I think the point of Convergent Future is that other class abilities can still come into play. So its not an automatic success of failure, like a bard could still effect the dice roll.

@LandonTheDM 4 жыл бұрын

Event Horizon is 2 extra feet per foot (3 ft total) so a speed 30ft goes to 10ft. :)

@kelvinvoorneveld7265 4 жыл бұрын

about the echo knight the lv 3 unleash incarnation is per attack action so if the echo knight uses action surge it can use it twice? and does the lv 18 legion of one give both the echos an extra attack with unleash incarnation. (this is in mind that you have enough uses of unleash incarnation)

@brodyschumaker4585 3 жыл бұрын

I play an Echo Knight Fighter in a homebrew campaign at third level and he is already nuts. Grapple and being restrained have no affect since I can swap with the echo whenever

@alisongill4425 4 жыл бұрын

Based on the language about Concentration in the PHB (p.203), I think there is a good argument to be made that you can concentrate on one of these abilities and a spell at the same time, which limits the impact of these abilities requiring concentration.

@hachi9404 4 жыл бұрын

using levitation and then slamming them down for 2d6+2d10 seems pretty cool.

@AstridCeleste96 4 жыл бұрын

Echo Knight has so much piled onto level 3 that honestly it seems more jam packed with stuff than many subclasses get at their second subclass feature (typically at 6th or so level). It doesn't seem busted, but it may prove to be too potent of a three level dip. It's hard to justify leaving behind a 15' Misty Step at will and other misc. melee upsides after doing a dip for Action Surge already, and compared to other Fighter archetypes may make it a bit ubiquitous when it's allowed. REALLY fucking cool though.

@goobertimmerman8082 4 жыл бұрын

10:24 I think they change the dice roll after bonuses to either the minimum for success or one less than the minimum for success

@wehtawnikrap 4 жыл бұрын

I was wondering about that. The wording is so bad.

@geoffreyperrin4347 4 жыл бұрын

For the Chronugy feature, i think since it says "ignore the die roll", you aren't saying "5 is enough", you are saying, "if the AC of the monster is 18, the attack total was exactly 18"

@adamisme5939 4 жыл бұрын

I would have liked to have seen the Cobalt Soul introduced as well, but I still really enjoy the subclasses we got.

@rogerjohnson2793 4 жыл бұрын

its in the tal'dorei campaign book

@jlajr1974 4 жыл бұрын

Echo Knight has some great stuff especially the extra attack at 3rd, but Intelligence to initiative, 2 rerolls per long rest, a few free Incapacitates all by 6th level is awesome! Then being able to cast any 4th or lower into a 1hr bead usable by anyone. They are both great new subclasses. If not a little strong..

@agilemind6241 4 жыл бұрын

Echo Knight is insanely powerful. Unlimited teleport as a bonus action is just ridiculous, and there are no duration or usage limits on the echo so you would just have it around all the time. It essentially makes you immune to anything that would reduce your movement speed. Plus depending on how you interpret it, effectively immune to fear and charm as well since the echo is immune to all conditions and you can choose to have it make all your attacks instead of you...

@jacobdavis5722 4 жыл бұрын

I think what Convergent Future means is, say your AC is 16 and and they roll a 22 the Chronurgist can say "No, you actually rolled a 15, so you miss." I think the janky wording is to allow for the inclusion of other roll altering reaction spells/abilities. For example say you miss on your attack on an enemy caster, but your party's Chronurgist uses Convergent Future to make your attack roll meet their AC. Then the enemy uses their reaction after that to cast shield.

@shaunnichols8170 4 жыл бұрын

Time to add Echo Fighter to my Hexblade paladin build for another swing of the sword. :)

@Arasmuss 4 жыл бұрын

Astral monk: hits wizard with a crit Wizard: THE WORLD!! You have to be faster than that Jojo! Fighter: OOOH MY GOOOOD!

@timothykrzywonski 4 жыл бұрын

the final ability can make it so everyone in your party succeeds on a saving throw or every enemy fails one since you can change the DC based on the highest or lowest roll.

@lordfatniss1318 4 жыл бұрын

What I took from the Convergent future was that you ignore the die, and say well you just hit the AC or just below the AC. So if the AC is 18, and you roll a 1, you can decide that the roll was either 17 or 18.

@theargawalathing 4 жыл бұрын

Echo Knight sounds fun as hell

@k-p116 4 жыл бұрын

12:10 - I think it would work with magic missile and scorching ray but only for 5 feet. It says when the spell hits, so I guess scorching ray's multi hit would count as one, since it's the same spell.

@antongrigoryev6381 4 жыл бұрын

Magic Missiles aren't an attack (attack means attack roll, magic missiles don't have one), and scorching ray is considered multiple attacks - each roll is a separate attack.

@k-p116 4 жыл бұрын

@@antongrigoryev6381 But the rule says "whenever you cast a spell on a creature, you can move the target 5 feet to an unoccupied space of your choice if the target is willing to move, the spell hits it with an attack, or it fails a saving throw against the spell." There are 3 conditions here: 1 - cast a spell on a creature, 2 - the spell hits it with an attack, 3 - it fails a saving throw. It does not say you have to make an attack roll, but the spell hits the target anyway. If an attack roll is necessary, then the rule should have specified that better. Anyway, it's always up to the DM.

@antongrigoryev6381 4 жыл бұрын

@@k-p116 "hit with an attack" always means attack roll. It's basic D&D therminology, that doesn't need to be clarified in every ability.

@zakiprice3841 4 жыл бұрын

For the echo knight, all I got was I can make shadow clones!

@xenoexe4954 4 жыл бұрын

(Me seeing the feature from echo fighter) TIME TO MAKE MY BOI LOWAIN FROM GRAND BLUE FANTISY

@loupe500 4 жыл бұрын

14:40 as written is 2 extra feet for every feet you move, so it's not difficult terrain. Differences: Difficult terrain: every feet you move you spend an extra feet to move (30 feets are now 15 feet) Event Horizon: every feet you move you spend 2 extra feets to move (30 feet are now 10 feet)

@scoopitywoop5665 4 жыл бұрын

Damn guess I’m using the Echo Knight to play Funny Valentine

@Aquila009 4 жыл бұрын

Oh... I read that Convergent Future differently. I read it as “You ignore the die, the die changes to the number needed to succeed exactly, or fail by one.” E.g.: you roll a total of 12 and the DC is 18. The chronowizard says: “You did not roll 12, you rolled 18 on the dot.”

@Aquila009 4 жыл бұрын

Gravity well, multiclassed into warlock with the pushing Eldritch blast......

@michaelanderson9947 4 жыл бұрын

is there synergy with the echo knights echo, and levels in rogue to sneak attack off of it?

@antongrigoryev6381 4 жыл бұрын

No. Echo is not a creature, you can get Sneak Attacks from it.

@WexMajor82 4 жыл бұрын

Convergent future is worded that way because Bard's inspiration or Favored by the Gods of the Sorcerer (and I am sure I am missing something).

@thurismundbotheric7598 4 жыл бұрын

You're miss understanding the capstone ability for the chronurgist, the way it's worded states that if, using your example, a player has an AC of 16 and the monster roll a 40 to hit, then the Chronurgist's Convergent Future ability changes it so that they rolled a 15 instead.

@bluhfer1445 4 жыл бұрын

I would like to see 2 subclasses come out.. 1. For wizard *demonologist* (defensive/offensive spells agains demons. Littke Utility.) 2. For warlock *demonology* (Mostly focusing on Demon pet class/little defense/little Utility. I would like to see these and i wouls be complete. Take Care Be Safe Stay Safe

@kronosDking 4 жыл бұрын

You can break Arcane Abeyance pretty easily - give a Find Familiar to each of your companions for a free advantage on an attack per round.

@darkseraph2009 4 жыл бұрын

The way I understood convergent future: You ignore the actual *roll*, and decide that the person rolling gets a total result equal to the target number, or a total result one lower. Meaning, if I'm rolling to climb a slick wall, and get a 13, I feel like that won't be high enough to not loose my footing. So I use Convergent Future and decide that what I rolled was actually enough to combine with my skill modifier to pass the check. It does not affect the actual AC or DC of the thing in question, rather you act as if you had rolled the target AC/DC minus your ability/skill/attack modifier, so that you hit the exact target number. Likewise for the second option, where you act as if you had rolled one under the target AC/DC plus your modifier.