This always happens

Apparently having big planes flying VFR is not that common there :)

Not rare at all - my company does it almost once a week.

It’s the fact that it was done under VFR.

My Ops Spec do not allow us to takeoff VFR from airports with operating ATC. I have never seen it happen. On flights that short I always wonder 'Should I bring the gear up?'

I just had this picture of a 747 stuck in traffic on I91 and screaming out the window at other drivers.

Laughing far too hard at this.

man i would hate just move to the next gate lol

The mental image of a jet casually strolling over to the BQE (Brooklyn Queens express for you non New York familiar) and then going up the highway to LGA.. hahaha

That one asshole behind him honks the horn one too many times so he hits the throttle and blows like 20 cars off the road. "Do you know why I pulled you over?" ... Can I say no?

Joseph Dale Yeah, but it’s a repositioning flight.

We used to do a 9nm flight in a Brasilia from an airport with runway 19/1... 9nm to an airport that was also 19/1. We would brief takeoff and landing while we taxied. We'd get a takeoff clearance from the departure airport and then we'll call the other airport and get a landing clearance while we were still on the ground. Instead of, "Acceleration v2+20 flaps up", we called, "Acceleration v2+20 landing checks."

Usually those flights are done later in the evening and it's always interesting when it's the other way around since the flight might be routed out toward Eastern Long Island to enter the landing pattern. Its not uncommon for a flight to be repositioned from/ to the NYC airports, some repositions into EWR heads as far south as PHL to enter the EWR pattern

@@DannyBeeVegas yep, Ive seen and listened to the atc as they spin around, they tend to head down to Robbinsville, sometimes as far as Philly depending on traffic at Trenton Mercer, or Fort Dix. As well as the numerous small county airports. Always an interesting site on a clear day watching a jet at a relative low altitude turn around.

Having left out of JFK numerous times, this is painfully true.

I think this is the best comment, against some tough competition, well done!

My god, I laughed my ass off just by imagining this

ha ha im dead

"Endeavor 5578 has Yankee....stadium."

This sounds like something Kennedy Steve would say.

@@thert.hon.thelordnicholson7261 lol

@@thert.hon.thelordnicholson7261 Wait what. Can you explain further?

@@jankeessteenbergen It's a parody of clickbait ads

@@CODMarioWarfare lol how did I miss that ty

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T Abel hahaha! Before they reach TOC its time for TOD already

Lol same 😂

ENVD to ENSS flaps are not retracted.

Best comment in this video

When I was flying part 135 we regularly made a reposition flight between two airports that were only six miles apart. They also had pretty similar runways. We would get our Landing clearance from the tower at the departure Airport by them calling the tower at the other airport on the phone. I would literally be cleared to land and take off at the same time. The running joke was, "Positive rate, gear down, landing checks."

Nope: "You're cleared for landing... Wind 270 at 11, runway 22R, cleared for takeoff"

I don't know man, getting from Queens to BK is pretty shit...but it's only $2.75, so just a tad bit cheaper then flying there ;)

It's about an hour. It is somewhat difficult to get your plane onto the subway at rush hour, though, so it's easier to just fly it. Lot of weird looks when you and your copilot are just trying to shove it through the door. Everyone has to scramble to move their luggage out of the way. They try to close the door on you. It's a disaster. 0/10 would not recommend.

Can’t fit an airplane on a subway

It was a reposition flight. Probably no passengers.

...except there is no subway linkage between JFK and LGA (never mind that neither airport is served at all by a direct subway)

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I laughed harder at this than thr video

Sat here cackling in my car in parking lot at this one...

@Calefar Dimani Not cool.

@Calefar Dimani I laughed too hard at this

I can hear AirforceProud now... "Endeavor 5578, winds 270 @ 11, caution wake turbulence from the departing hot air balloon, RWY 22R, cleared for take off".

Can't be. There is no hot air balloon doing 420 knots

@@jmullentech Have you seen the one with the "new controller" who won't clear him into Vegas? I love that one. This is pretty much the same level of confusion.

@@RubberDucky087 thats the best one

Endeavor, stand by, space shuttle on final.

His name is Kennedy Steve. Please correct.

@@beyondinsanitybr What if I was talking about Schipol Steve?

@@Quasihamster That's a character too!

Scuba Steve?

I think everyone knew which Steve he was talking about considering we're talking about a JFK departure.

Aquaz SFO to OAK

Ohare to midway

Tpa-Pie

Boeing Field to Sea-Tac

Ryland Spencer Everett-SeaTac

What a reference!

First Officer O'Reilly

@@mynickels reference to what?

@@NoNameAtAll2 look up “Bill O’Reilly We’ll do it live”

Didn't think I'd see you here

I actually had a captain say something similar to that a long time ago. It was a 6-minute flight from Campbell River to Comox, I believe, and he came on the mic saying something like "Our expected flight time today is six minutes, and our cruising altitude is...well...we won't actually have one because we're taking off and then we're landing. Heck, we're not even going to break cloud cover!" I don't remember what else he said, but it was a hilarious few minutes, at any rate.

@@RobinHood70 I've had something similar happen. I was flying from my local airport to Chicago, but my flight got canceled (forget why this was 10 years ago), so they rerouted us to their nearby hub airport for a connector to Chicago which was like a 30min flight from my home airport. Pilot came on and said "we know none of you are actually doing this flight to Washington to go to Washington, so I hope you all make your connectors and have a great trip to where you're going!" That drew a nice laugh from everyone.

@@RobinHood70 shortest flight I ever took was vancouver to victoria... it's not even a hop. yvr -> yyj

I used to fly regularly with United from Washington Dullas to Johnstown PA, the flight stops in Altoona, so Altoona to Johnstown is a max of 9 minutes but many time it was 7 minutes, no drinks. No announcement and no passengers sometime :) ( Fleecing of America, it is government subsidized) oh they did retract the wheels.

Lmao, this comment made me spit water. Thumbs up for you.

That's super fun, all flying no cruise. At least in FSX.

I've done even shorter doing a repo from ADS to DAL. Also talked to a flexjet pilot who did it once and as soon as he took off from ADS on 15 the Addison controller cleared him to land at DAL 13L.

I repo DFW-ADS or DAL-ADS often enough. I do get the gear up for a few seconds though.

My Flight Sim ops were often between CGX, ORD, and MDW

I've seen flights from RBD-DAL as well

Could a regular airliner (737, 747, A380, etc) fly VFR? Or is it specifically allowed in this case because the Endeavor is a relatively small plane?

Kyle Nakamura VFR has higher weather minimums. Most airline route lengths would make it inefficient to fly and dodge IMC. Airlines also fly in class A airspace which requires an IFR flight plan so unless they’re flying below the class A they’ll need an IFR flight plan anyways.

Kyle Nakamura theoretically if you had the money to rent one of those planes and also had all the applicable type ratings or endorsements, then yeah you could fly VFR in them. Most pilots get their instrument rating before their multi rating though, so it’s not as big of a factor. It’s more about the $$$ lol

@@kylenakamura4353 I believe that if you have passengers as an airline, you have to fly IFR. Here, it's was just repositioning, so no passengers. Hence, they were able to fly VFR.

@@kylenakamura4353 it's allowed because it's a repo flight = no passengers

What's VFR?

@@petervaicels8578 it means visual flight rules and generally big planes fly ifr (instrument flight rules) not vfr. Essentially it just means you need to be able to maintain certain visual minimums. Basically not flying in clouds.

@@gobarn1877 Which going from JFK to LGA if its clear there its gonna be clear at LGA. However this is not the easiest airport for VFR cause of where some of the runways are

Well if they stand under 18,000 they can

Thats why we don't have a flow.

country boy I do it all the time in the SFRA, look it up it’s a cool VFR workaround of sorts.

Yeah I would expect 9/11 memories would cause all sorts of paranoia in that area

Airlines don't let planes fly with more fuel than they need so I imagine this guy was running on wound up rubber bands.

@@Ixions well. downtown NYC is closer than LGA tho, so what's your point?

@@efari Well the first point is for the chuckles. Secondly, the guy flying VFR port to port LGA is less of a threat than the guy with paperwork flying LAX with a full tank of gas. Remember, if you want to fuck with someone visiting NYC point out that terrorists prefer a full tank of gas and show them videos of rats swimming up sewer pipes into toilets.

I guess this was a long time ago. You can certainly land at JFK, but the fees (as of today) are: Landing - minimum fee: $50 Landing - additional fee between 3PM - 10PM: $100 Departure: $6.95 per 1,000lbs Departure minimum fee: $25 Departure - additional fee between 3PM - 10PM: $100 Parking (up to 8 hours): $45 You're looking at $120 minimum just to the NYC Port Authority, or $320 if you're not an early bird. This is before and handling fees from the FBO, and there is only one FBO, Sheltair. Sheltair's handling fees for a small single engine piston plane start at $50, although if you pump enough of their $9/gallon fuel they might waive that for you. Technically any certificated aircraft can land at any public use airport, which does include JFK, LaGuardia, O'Hare, Atlanta, etc. They control GA traffic by making it prohibitively expensive to land there just for fun. Teterboro is the go-to for private planes. It's still not cheap, and your Piper may look a little out of place next to a Boeing Business Jet or a Gulfstream, but it's better than JFK/LGA.

It was during Storm Sandy (made the landing a little interesting!), and I purposely chose the dead of night, to avoid stressing a busy system. They knew then that the fees were going to be artificially raised in the near future, and were very unhappy about it - for some reason they loved having such a small (and boring!) plane fly in, thought it was a great laugh, and were very encouraging! One of the best things about large US airports is their delight in mixing small/slow aircraft between airliners safely without disruption - they seem to regard it as a mark of being an excellent air traffic controller, rather than as a chore/annoyance!

@@Mojoissimo We used to own a Piper Arrow 200. Solid-ass airplane!

Piper November 3454 Lima Follow the British Airways 747 and line up and wait on runway 31L. Caution wake turbulence.

My old airline we could do vfr but it was removed from our manual. We used to do LGA and jfk to PHL vfr a bit.

Yeah, I watched specifically because this is the sort of thing I'd do on VATSIM :)

@@philipmcniel4908 lmao I literally had that exact thought

On FSX offline I always accidentally hit the cancel ifr button on the atc window and I am like "NOOOOO" I refuse to do VFR in a 737.

DorianTM Why don't you use vatsim ?

@@noah9130 not experienced enough

decline2state Oh fuck yeah that would’ve been hilarious.

@@joshuam20 "5578, roger... Taxi via Bravo and hold short of November - give way to the school bus carrying children on the way back from the museum on your left. Once clear, proceed down the road and give way to traffic. Actually, can you pick up the LGA tower a round of starbucks as you pass down 3rd?" "Affirm"

@@Trek001 Ha!

I was flying a C-172 London to Khartoum last year and had to go to the briefing room in Athens to manually file my flight plan. Because I’d been in the plane ready to start up for the flight to Crete, I was in my life jacket. Was so funny walking past many Aegean Airlines crews all wearing sunglasses indoors etc. They definitely noticed. Wearing a life jacket in front of a load of airline pilots is a good flex

Yeah this is the second time I've watched this and just thought about this. I think he could go by callsign if he made a VFR flight plan, but we know he didn't.

I'd've said "Endeavor N123AB"

Yeah, but the pilot was probably still in the mindset, since he did file a flight plan.

You can use a callsign on a VFR flight plan.

@@N1120A Does it need to be a company callsign or is "Harambé 5" legal?

I'd like to become a pilot, and thinking about it, I realized only retracting the gear makes sense as it's solely detrimental to safe flight when in the air.

love it

You're a cool dude

I would have loved to see that.

Your landing and takeoff rolls must've been very short.

Comment correction: "This is hilarious!"

Thank you! I didn't catch it.

Jaime Mierow Haha thanks, damn autocorrect

@@MusabJilani damn it. You edited your comment and i spent 5 minutes trying to figure out where it was wrong lol

Jacky Robertson pkwy is faster😂😂

@@henryweber393 Haven't been out that way for a while. LOL

Yeah, but make that 'second exit mistake', and wind up on the Van Wyck headed for the Midtown Tunnel....

Cops wouldn't like the idea of a plane on the street. The wingspan us too big and would take out anything it hits, signs, traffic signals utility poles.

What about the Van Wyck? They say no one's ever beaten the Van Wyck

looser

It would have been better if he was told "Stay clear of the Bravo". LOL

Don't assume my make & model!

one joke

A Cessna 182 out of JFK ?

I laughed harder at this than I should have. Nice one.

Biggest damn Cessna I've ever seen!

The Angry Puppy.

Notice how they vectored the plane like it was IFR. If the flight was longer they could have flown around a bit for fun before landing. LOL

Vfr for a large airframe in jfk LaGuardia must be just so insane it just doesn’t happen.

@@americanswan In class bravo you follow vectors from ATC

@@jaybrooks1098 A CRJ-200 is very hardly a "large airframe" though.

​@@americanswan You'll always be vectored in Class Bravo whether VFR or IFR unless they tell you to follow a VFR transition. This was essentially IFR but without the paperwork

On Full House Stephanie and Michelle once thought they were going from San Francisco to Oakland, but were really going to Auckland.

I was once on a flight from Oakland to San Jose.

LGA is class B

or just shove all the passengers into a bus from LGA to JFK

GAC not a passenger flight, it’s for repo

Van Wyck is never easier than anything.

They say no one's ever beaten the Van Wyck.

Yeah... It's a good thing that the keys to the airplane are kept locked in a safe. Otherwise, repo guys would take them and fly them to the repo yard!

You can't believe what you see on TV. That's not how repossessions work for aircraft.

(I live in Norfolk now) that was what? 1 minute from ORF to PHF? 🤣

There was also a regular ONT-LAX flight but I forgot the airline.

kewkabe I know Skywest flew that route and i took that flight once when I was coming home to Fresno.

Since they were just repositioning the plane without passengers it’s probably allowed

Most companies allow it so we can cancel IFR late at night going into uncontrolled fields.

2 things, did they have to carpet dance after this and is it Endeavor put out a memo over this incident?

@@dstblj5222 what incident? It’s just a VFR departure out of JFK. 🤷‍♂️

@@JJay512 endeavor put out a memo regarding an incident of unprofessional flight deck conduct shortly after that time

I think it's more disbelief than misinterpretation

What is vfr?

Shubham Sultania VFR Visual flight rules. Being able to fly a plane by seeing the outside world versus IFR instrument flight rules, fly a plane in the dark for example by using cockpit instruments.

@@s2sultania VFR is an abbreviation that stands for "visual flight rules". It is one of the 2 forms of navigation used by aircraft. The other is IFR or "instrument flight rules". During IFR flight, navigation of the aircraft and separation from other planes are directed by people on the ground using radar and other devices. Pitch, roll, yaw, altitude, and direction control may be performed using only the aircraft's onboard instruments. (Hence "instrument" flight rules) The pilot is usually "vectored" along a pre determined path. During VFR flight, the aircrafts navigation is at pilots discretion,(within a set of rules) and physical separation between other aircraft is the pilots duty using see-and-avoid out the window. There are exceptions, such as entering controlled airspace around a busy airport. That requires prior permission, (even for VFR pilots) and pilots are required to follow that controller's directions while in controlled airspace. Most larger aircraft fly faster and or higher than would be safe or legal under VFR rules. Also airlines may have policies that require all flights with passengers fly IFR even if it is a pretty day. Another huge consideration is the sequencing of aircraft into and out of busy airports. If a bunch of VFR airliners arrived unexpectedly all at once, the local controllers would be overwhelmed, so they sequence them. There are times when VFR flight is illegal. Flight above 18,000ft is restricted to IFR under most circumstances. Other conditions such as foggy weather, or flying into clouds, or flying in any situation that obscures your view are illegal because the pilot has to maintain visual separation with other aircraft, and cell phone antennas etc using "see and avoid". It was atypical for the airline pilot in this flight to be VFR. That was the source of the controllers' confusion.

That could be confusing

Flying ZRH to AMS sure does feel that way as well.

There are dozens of VFR flights there every day. Just not by airliners.

Have you seen the roads of new York ? 😂

Yes I have. I go up there often. I stand by my statement hahaha

Well, it's JFK and LaGuardia.

It's the fact it's a big jet flying VFR in Manhatten airspace. Probably pretty rare.

yeah pretty stupid

@@GregoryVeizades Not a big jet. A jet, yeah, not a big one. One of the smallest actually.

He would have landed with VFR before he gets his IFR clearance LMFAO

The quality received by crew and atc is far better than what we are hearing.

its compressed audio that was recorded and compressed for legal reasons

It's called trunked communications, same reason police traffic sounds so bad.

It's also fairly narrow band AM as all ATC is (and has been for years) which has never been the best for quality

thefactorypilot145 Why? It is still in a radar environment. You are still being vectored. The only difference is VFR altitude and cloud clearances. If it was a nice VFR day, then why not? Everyone knew they were coming...

I thought cloud clearances were to do with instrument rating of the pilot and not the type of flight. Can you fly "VFR" into a cloud and ask for flight following ?

@@narendranbhaskar Absolutely not! VFR has nothing to do with pilot rating except that only a pilot with an instrument rating can file an IFR flight plan.

@@narendranbhaskar Flight following is only a VFR clearance. You are still responsible for cloud clearances while getting flight following. This flight was being radar vectored in a radar environment on a VFR flight plan. They were not receiving flight following in a non-radar environment.

Scott Butterworth why? Because nobody knows what you’re doing in a very busy airspace. I did a repo once between two busy airports close to each other like this under VFR and it was a disaster. I wasn’t the CA tho. Never doing that again. Always file IFR because chances are all the controllers will not be on the same page as far as your flight number and you’ll get a lot of confused controllers. Last thing you want is confused controllers in a busy airspace with southwest planes and Cessnas trying to run into you.

in a hot air baloon

AADFWspotters They would still need some sort of clearance because they would be in class B the entire time. And in constant radio contact because of the large number of departures and arrivals between the 2 airports.

But I do know what you mean.

VFR in a Cessna is easy. VFR in a jet, over NYC is dangerous.

@@afcgeo882 dangerous is a bit of an overstatement.

AADFWspotters2 Oh? So we’ll just dismiss fairly regular fatal accidents that happen here with VFR fliers? The helo and GA traffic take up the lower altitudes, with the hudson corridor being uncontrolled. They fly at low speeds. The multiple airport approaches and departures slot just above that. Above them are numerous northeast corridor flights that are plowing non-stop. Then we add restricted air space and a plethora of high rise buildings. At 200mph+ this all becomes obstacles to aviation. There’s a very good reason why no one flies VFR out of LGA or JFK. Even Cessnas do IFR here.

Raptorz it’s likely due to the company tag on the aircraft call sign. Usually company aircraft don’t fly VFR lol

The eastern corridor is some the busiest airspace in the world. They always stressed. Plus they have 9/11 looming over them at every moment.

They New Yorkers. It is their standard language.

We are new yorkers

It's called a northeasterner's accent

Just Another Aviator there are accents, but also tones. The first controller definitely had an annoyed tone at one point.