Night storage heater dissassembly

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ChumpusRex

ChumpusRex

12 жыл бұрын

Dissassembly of some "newera credanet" night storage heaters.
For those who aren't familiar with storage heating, these are electrical resistive heaters which are operated during off-peak hours (overnight - a tariff known as economy 7 as it provided 7 hours of cheap power), and heat large thermal inertia bricks which are stored within an insulated cavity. The heat is then released gradually during the day.
These were introduced in the UK in the 1970s due to the proliferation of nuclear power and the excess production of electricity overnight. These were offered in place of coal or oil heating, where the use of cheap-priced off-peak electricity made them relatively economic.
However, they remain more expensive than modern natural gas heating. They are also inconvenient, as they leak heat when charged which can lead to overheating during the day (especially the morning), and must be charged overnight - this requires a degree of planning, as the charge for the next day must be programmed the night before.
The credanet system was an attempt at electronic control of storage heating. A computer would guesstimate a charge level based on the previous days usage, and top-up as required during the day using a fan-heat operating on full-price electricity. Now defunct, this system failed due to a ludicrously bad user interface coupled with the poor controllability of storage heating.

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@davidbowie2046
@davidbowie2046 9 жыл бұрын
thanks for this,always wondered what a storage heater was
@FrontSideBus
@FrontSideBus 12 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I knew how these worked but I've never seen inside one. I remember in one of the places I used to work they had loads of these and the were fecking huge! I'd say about six feet long and about 2 feet wide!
@JRZphil
@JRZphil 7 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks mate
@randacnam7321
@randacnam7321 12 жыл бұрын
This is why I like woodstoves: NO complicated electronics.
@ChumpusRex
@ChumpusRex 10 жыл бұрын
The heater is extremely heavy, weighing about 100-200 kg with bricks. It will be very unstable on its feet, once unbolted from the wall, and if it falls could cause severe injury, and you may not be able to lift it back up. You need to take the bricks out first to be able to move the heater.
@BARBoynz
@BARBoynz 11 жыл бұрын
Never seen one with a scroll fan and electronic board before. The el-basic versions are reasonably common here in NZ
@ChumpusRex
@ChumpusRex 10 жыл бұрын
The side and back insulation is glass wool, or fibreglass. The front insulation is silicaceous aerogel
@ChumpusRex
@ChumpusRex 12 жыл бұрын
About 12p/kWh for a single rate tariff. Dual rate are about 14p/kWh (day) and 5p/kWh (night).
@RobtP6
@RobtP6 6 жыл бұрын
I have used the Viking system in the U.S. for about 30 years. Works great. The part I see missing here is a control unit. It's basicly a computer. It knows the temperature outside..inside..and the desired temperature at the thermostat and stores heat accordingly. Other than cleaning and lubing a fan or replacing a heating element every 3 or 4 years there have been no problems .
@RobtP6
@RobtP6 6 жыл бұрын
Correction..I typed the incorrect name. I ment Valliant heaters. Also American Techno Therm. There are 7 in total heating a 2900 square foot house on 2 floors.
@kennethwilliamson3792
@kennethwilliamson3792 6 жыл бұрын
If I wanted to remove my storage hear how would I go about disco sting it from the power and meter. I have one in my kitchen that doesn't acutely work and I have never used it and would prefer to remove it but I'm not an ectrition and don't no how to isolate it from the meter
@richH1625
@richH1625 5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of taking one to bits how many electrical bits shud I disconnected first? is their any asbestos stuff in their?
@gpkiindi9842
@gpkiindi9842 8 жыл бұрын
Hi, Great video. Could you also add some info on self help for common situations. E.g. how to reset the thermal cut out
@williamjones2138
@williamjones2138 10 жыл бұрын
what is the correct name for the insulation in my dimplex as i need to replace it many thanx
@vimalandrew2008
@vimalandrew2008 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Rex,The same heater is in my living room in Dublin. My kid put a fork into it (through bottom black panel holes) when hot air was coming through it. My wife said a small fire came out, power dripped. After we switched on the main, now only air is coming, not hot. What might have happened? Is it possible to repair it myself. What do I need to do? Please help.
@skygorider
@skygorider 11 жыл бұрын
Johnny cove always best to keep some spare thermo links in they are like solder and melt when too hot often melt on first few days you switch on in winter dead easy to replace if a bit fiddly. First winter day you switch back on turn charge very low then slowly increase over about 3 night's till you get to full charge. I melted the links in 1986 and 1987 and haven't melted them till this year
@andyj34
@andyj34 7 жыл бұрын
great video. my property has all electric storage heaters and like you said they're naff. Yes the heat the rooms during the day when you're out to work ... however on returning home after work say from 6pm onwards the flat is luke warm at best. Have you made any decision to replace the naff storage heaters with electric-on-the-wall heaters? if so, which model/manufacturer did you choose?
@catherinemoore3742
@catherinemoore3742 7 жыл бұрын
Hi, this is a great video. I have moved into a property with very old storage heaters, and full of dust. Please could you tell me if I should try to remove the front cover myself, to hoover out the dust? Would this be safe to do? Thank you
@ChumpusRex
@ChumpusRex 10 жыл бұрын
If you have an E7 meter, then you still should only have power to the heater during the night (unless the heater has been wired to the main fuse box, which isn't normal). Some suppliers will let you have a normal tariff on E7, by adding the readings together. But most suppliers don't let you, because they have to pay a different price for bulk energy that they send to an E7 meter; and if they give you a normal tariff on E7 it causes chaos for their accounting.
@ALLK1LL3RNOF1LL3R
@ALLK1LL3RNOF1LL3R 10 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have a night storage heater which I need to move temporarily before putting back, Will the heater unit be heavy after I have removed all of the bricks?
@sim6699
@sim6699 8 жыл бұрын
Storage heaters could be used for a wind turbines dump load, in times of high winds
@MrBorderghost
@MrBorderghost 10 жыл бұрын
I have these heaters in my new house and wanted to remove a couple, it says before I remove from bracket I must remove bricks first, is this because the unit will be heavy or is it because the bricks will fall out??
@ChumpusRex
@ChumpusRex 12 жыл бұрын
Indeed. It is a good idea. However, the implementation problems go way beyond just the interface. It's buggy, with heaters randomly shutting down. It's flaky - turning off a heater will confuse the programmer, and the heater won't come back on once mains power is turned on. You have to reboot each heater and programmer in order to get it to come back up. Sadly this clears the heating parameters in the heaters, so they need 48 hours to relearn the tariff structure and room heat demands.
@ChumpusRex
@ChumpusRex 10 жыл бұрын
Has your heater been wired in correctly. Normally, a storage heater will be connected only to the night fuse box, but electronic ones like this will have two connections; one to the night fuse box, and one to the main house fuse box. If it is wired correctly, you need to check if your meter is charging for night power at the correct time; they do sometimes lose track of time, and switch to night price in the middle of the day. The night fuse box is activated when the meter is in cheap mode.
@mattleading9888
@mattleading9888 4 жыл бұрын
Hi mate your really good with your technical words, but can you help me with my Newlec NL10581 Series B storage heater which is 2 year old and just stopped working , do they come with some internal fuse or something simple to fix, where I don't need get my landlord out , thanks Matt
@skygorider
@skygorider 11 жыл бұрын
Start again got older creda models bulletproof since 1985 now going wrong cold at the bottom red hot at the top melts the thermo coupling thought it must be the bottom element but from yours looks like the elements go up from the bottom so don't know why it's cold at bottom any thoughts?
@MrBorderghost
@MrBorderghost 10 жыл бұрын
my meter is on economy 7 so to my understanding it should only charge my storage heater up at midnight until 7am, but when I turned my storage heater on at 2pm after not being used for months within a few mins it heated up and gave out heat, where could the fault be? I have tried explaining this to my electricity supplier but they do not understand what I'm getting at as they do not fully understand how there own economy 7 should work.
@skygorider
@skygorider 11 жыл бұрын
I've got the older Creda heaters been bullet proof since 1985 now gone wrong. Cold
@MrBorderghost
@MrBorderghost 10 жыл бұрын
I am hopefully getting a standard metre fitted Monday afternoon from British gas, hopefully my heaters will still work, if so I should be on British gas clear and simple tariff at 14.2 pence a kW, quite annoying as I have just found out all my neighbours have gas central heating, but the previous tenant in my home refused to let them fit it at the time...
@clairecadoux471
@clairecadoux471 Жыл бұрын
Would like to have seen how u got front cover off.
@kevinjamesparr552
@kevinjamesparr552 8 жыл бұрын
I want to build a wood burning stove into the fire place and wall it in to retain heat from it. Will Vermiculaite bricks from these storage units do my job?
@towermouse65
@towermouse65 10 жыл бұрын
How do you remove the front cover..Would have thought that was first issue to address as on my Creda heaters can find no way to remove front panels?
@georgetempest2469
@georgetempest2469 9 жыл бұрын
3 small screws at the bottom edge of the front cover - you'd need to lay down on the floor to get to them. And you need to take off the control knobs too or they snap off
@MrBorderghost
@MrBorderghost 10 жыл бұрын
think I know what has happened, my meter is now changed to a standard tariff, I actualy prefer this but they are trying to force me back on economy 7 saying I have to as the metre was originally a economy 7
@williamjones2138
@williamjones2138 10 жыл бұрын
thanx 1 more thing if i add more insulation will it lower elec bill kindess regards bill
@ChumpusRex
@ChumpusRex 10 жыл бұрын
Probably not very much, but you could try it. The insulation is carefully designed so as not to be too good. These heaters are designed to leak heat during the day, to keep the house warm. Too much insulation will stop them working.
@andywalwyn
@andywalwyn 7 жыл бұрын
Aerogel is delicate, I wouldn't put that brick on it unless you are removing it for good.
@daystate123
@daystate123 8 жыл бұрын
how do you reset the thermal cut out please?
@VAX1970
@VAX1970 7 жыл бұрын
They have a fuse link that melts when the heater overheats. It needs to be replaced to restore function
@rebeccawoodhouse3820
@rebeccawoodhouse3820 9 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have 3 Credanet Newera storage heaters controlled by a panel in the kitchen. They are all similar models to this, with the fan heater at the bottom and the storage heater at night. None of them are working except for the boost button for one of them. Any ideas of what's gone wrong?
@georgetempest2469
@georgetempest2469 9 жыл бұрын
They are a British design - that's what is wrong ;o) They never worked properly from the start, lots of faults with circuit boards, thermostats etc. I would never recommend E7 heating to anybody.
@betteroffsingle
@betteroffsingle 9 жыл бұрын
George Tempest George, we have a very old heater of this make which finally quit working. Have spent the last few days on line trying to find replacement. While that can be done ok, it's finding a qualified person to install. At my age and having had back surgery some time ago, I certainly am not the person to tackle a job like this. Any leads or further advice would be much appreciated. Like, who sells and also installs? Thank You. JayD
@zx8401ztv
@zx8401ztv 12 жыл бұрын
Well, i dont suppose there is any lossless way of storing heat. The fancy electronics in that storage heater is just silly, its like having a p.c just controlling the kitchen toaster, just a waste of time. Simpler is less accurate but a dam site more reliable :-)
@timbyles4124
@timbyles4124 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't know Josh widdecombe did storage heater videos.
@lstar337
@lstar337 11 жыл бұрын
"Resistive heating is not very efficient" Actually it's 100% efficient as 100% of the electrical energy is transformed into heat. I agree that storage heating is not hugely 'effective' though.
@MrBorderghost
@MrBorderghost 10 жыл бұрын
help
@peterwalker3257
@peterwalker3257 5 жыл бұрын
Dimplex blower not working
@kevincampbell7525
@kevincampbell7525 6 жыл бұрын
is there any asbestos
@21stcenturycaveman33
@21stcenturycaveman33 5 жыл бұрын
Was just wondering exactly the same thing mate. I've 4 of these f*cking things in a house I'm renovating at the moment and I've been trying to get rid of them. Unsurprisingly, nobody wants the damm things - even the scrappers laughed at me and told me to f*ck off! Lol. Therefore, I thought I'd dismantle them so I can at least get rid of the metal and bury those bloody bricks. ATB, Des
@21stcenturycaveman33
@21stcenturycaveman33 5 жыл бұрын
Just found this buddy: www.storageheaters.com/asbestos-list.htm
@SirDella
@SirDella 3 жыл бұрын
@@21stcenturycaveman33 Why do you hate them?
@aptsys
@aptsys 12 жыл бұрын
It's quite a good concept, shame the implementation ruined the user experience.
@JohnnyCove84
@JohnnyCove84 11 жыл бұрын
I have the exact same storage heater they are shit not worth the money all of mine in my house break down every year like clockwork landlord refuses to remove them and electric bills go through the bloody roof now that it's Christmas again I am going to be freezing my nuts off
@thermalCat
@thermalCat 6 жыл бұрын
Yep. Total dogshit.
@21stcenturycaveman33
@21stcenturycaveman33 5 жыл бұрын
Unsurprisingly, nobody wants the damm things - even the scrappers laughed at me and told me to f*ck off! Lol.
@Lee2k4
@Lee2k4 6 жыл бұрын
They actually cost a fortune to run and are ugly horrible things. I am currently in the process of removing all mine
@georgetempest2469
@georgetempest2469 9 жыл бұрын
Worst design ever, expensive tu run and the spares cost a fortune. A replacement for the mechanical input thermostat with the melt fuse costs £88 incl. VAT!! By the time you fit a house with 4 or 5 radiators, you have spent more money than a gas or oil central heating unit would cost you. When ever you try to create heat via electricity, it will be very expensive.
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