No Joking About Expanded Playoffs

No Joking About Expanded Playoffs | 32 Thoughts

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In this edition of 32 Thoughts, Jeff and Elliotte open with a heated discussion about expanded playoffs in the NHL and how it would be beneficial for the league despite the turtle derby in the Eastern Conference right now.
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0:00 - A heated discussion about expanded playoffs in the NHL.
13:39 - A discussion around Auston Matthews as he notched 60 goals this season. How long will it take him to chase down the Gretzky/Ovechkin goal scoring record?
20:31 - They also talk about how it can effect the Leafs' decision on players like Mitch Marner.
32:05 - Talking about the Minnesota Wild losing their extra point in OT for pulling their goaltender.
37:00 - Discussing Jonathan Quick breaking the wins record by an American goaltender.
38:34 - Then, the fellas talk about the Seattle Kraken finally recalling Shane Wright from Coachella Valley.
52:34 - The guys answer your questions in the Montana’s Thought Line. 1:15:00 - Jeff and Elliotte close the pod by giving the Vancouver Canucks their flowers for being the first Canadian club to clinch a playoff spot.
Email the podcast at 32thoughts@sportsnet.ca or call the Montana's Thought Line at 1-833-311-3232 and leave us a voicemail
This podcast was produced and mixed by Dominic Sramaty and hosted by Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman.
The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.
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No Joking About Expanded Playoffs 32 Thoughts Podcast

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@squidMB Ай бұрын

Man i just wish we went back to the 1v8, 2v7, etc. in playoffs again

@royanderson3478 Ай бұрын

Yes . 1 vs 8 - 2 vs 7 ........or 1 vs 16 -2 vs 15 and just figure out the cross over home ice.

@royanderson3478 Ай бұрын

Elliot Friedman is a lot smarter 👌 than me, let Elliot crunch the numbers 😊

@coltsgotluck6518 Ай бұрын

The ONLY reason the NHL would expand playoffs is so the owners could make more money. As for competitive balance if over half the teams in your league are making the playoffs its hard to take them seriously. I would think the majority of people agree with that. Even at 16 this season there is probably going to be two teams at the bottom of the East who dont belong.

@dukem991 Ай бұрын

No big hard no to expanded playoffs

@dukem991 Ай бұрын

Elliot can be so long winded get to the point

@EKNYR Ай бұрын

Also; the reason no one takes the Canadian media seriously is stuff like talking about matthews getting to ~900 goals while he’s sitting at 360 right now. L o L

@spaidscollectables2224 Ай бұрын

Every sports media does that stuff

@Pablo-gl9dj Ай бұрын

Gave you a reason to make a comment.

@FAFO101 Ай бұрын

They were talking like its about to happened, Ovi won't have record for long 😂😅😂 will see if Mathews can score 50g at age 32-38 and no injuries....good luck with that.

@jugsteve Ай бұрын

Yeah, the American media is a shining example to the world...

@EKNYR Ай бұрын

@@jugsteve in the context of hockey, American media is much more sane lmao.

@rexxx4fun Ай бұрын

There is absolutely no reason to expand the playoffs. The only changes that the league needs to make is to go back to what they were once doing well. Go back to 3-2-1, and the 1-8 conference playoff seeding.

@zamboniman69 Ай бұрын

The Colorado Avalanche LOVE the 2013 Draft. Currently have 5 players on the roster (MacKinnon, Drouin, Nichushkin, Lehkonen, Wood) and have had 6 other players from that draft play games for them (Zadorov, Burakovsky, Compher, Andrighetto, Ryan Graves, Kyle Burroughs). Only Mack was drafted by them.

@dj4aces Ай бұрын

Buffalo last made the playoffs when Atlanta had a team. Buffalo won't make the playoffs again until Atlanta has a team. Bring the NHL back here to Atlanta, and the pieces all finally fall into place for the Sabres.

@crushdavis7048 Ай бұрын

Disagree on the expanded playoffs. The nba play in is one of the dumbest things ever. 2/3 of the league make the playoffs in the NBA. Teams like 10 games below 500 are gunna make it. Hell no

@kiroolioneaver8532 Ай бұрын

Even if you don't think a play-on is merited in hockey, you can argue it was absolutely necessary in the NBA. There was usually a dispartiy where you had teams perennially tank just in the hope of getting higher draft picks instead of actually competing. The play-in has made for a much more active trade deadline where a lot of teams are actually buyers and you have two races; to finish top six and to finish in the play-in.

@stevebloomer2920 Ай бұрын

The NHL dreams of playoff games in July

@cyan5161 Ай бұрын

The only reason the owners might want an expanded playoffs is because more games is more revenue for them. As a fan I could care less about more non-competitive teams making the playoffs, I'd rather more good matchups than more bad matchups.

@RRaquello Ай бұрын

1974 Islanders got Bryan Trottier, Clark Gillies, Stefan Persson & Dave Langevin. Two Hall of Famers, two key defensemen, all 4 time cup winners with the Islanders dynasty. Langevin originally went to Edmonton in the WHA for a couple of years and was reclaimed by the Islanders in the merger arrangement, which made Dave Lewis available for the Butch Goring trade. So you can say that draft produced 5 players, or 1/4 of the Islanders dynasty roster.

@kiroolioneaver8532 Ай бұрын

Was against the MLB expanded playoffs (to five and then six) and was against the NBA play-in. However, now that both have happened, what you see is more interest in the game by more fanbases longer and later in the season. The trade deadline because more exciting as more teams look to add that piece to get it and also the biggest stars (like Crosby and Ovechkin) are (like LeBron and Steph) guarenteed to get in thus increasing overall interest. It discourages tanking as more teams try to compete for that final spot or spots (as well as a race to get the bye(s)/home court/field/ice advantage). Having the teams play an additional round is not like baseball where not playing can actually hurt you. The ideal solution would be to play a twice a week (one mid-week and one weekend game per team) schedule and get to 64 games so that the regular season matchups (like in soccer) hold more meaning (in that case you could even cut dwon the number of playoff teams to just the division winners) but barring that expanding the playoffs is the way to go.

@2Jim2u Ай бұрын

The story isn't necessarily about Montreal, nor Edmonton. Its about a start-up franchise out of Colorado, and not really a start-up franchise, as the players moved from Kansas City to Colorado. Ramage draft (who was traded to St Louis for 2 first round picks - John Maclean and Rocky Trotier's first round picks, but that was after they traded 3 first round picks (June of 81,82 pick traded in July 1981, 1983 pick traded Oct/Nov of 1981). Its interesting that Elliott mentioned Detroit's selection of draft players, considering that trade of the '83 first round pick by Colorado to New York may have affected whether Lafontaine was selected by Islanders, and Yzerman was selected by Detroit, it was originally Colorado's pick, 3rd overall, Kluzak the year before, and Carpenter, etc (in reverse order). Does Muller even play for New Jersey?

@RRaquello Ай бұрын

As a hockey fan growing up in NYC at the time I can confirm that Rangers playoff beard story. It was something they came out with before the playoffs started, it was in the newspapers, everybody following hockey in NYC heard about it at the time. It was on John Sterling's radio show, etc. Unfortunately the Rangers playoffs ended in 3 games, being eliminated by the Islanders, so the beards didn't have much chance to grow. The Islanders might have picked it up from the Rangers to goof on them, because over the next couple of years, even before they won, you'd see players like Gillies, Jude Drouin and the Potvin brothers with playoff beards.

@EKNYR Ай бұрын

With all love and respect: I don’t care about the cap, the league’s revenue, etc. I know media people do bc it’s their job. I’d rather have competitive integrity; meaning that these 22-16 place teams miss as they should.

@RRaquello Ай бұрын

I'm thinking the same thing. It's important to players, owners, management, but not to me. It ain't my money.

@TheJasonVoorhees Ай бұрын

Each division top 3 make it. Each division has 2 WC spots. At the end of the regular season each division has a WC vs WC one game win and you're in game to determine 4th. Round 1 of playoffs is 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3. Round 2 is division championships where winners are awarded with one of 4 new division championship trophies. Eliminate east vs west and reseed round 3 into a Final 4. (1) division champion vs (4) division champion, (2) division champion vs (3) division champion. This way any 2 division champions could end up playing for the Stanley Cup. Round 4 Stanley Cup Final. Also you could tie it into the all star game format.

@kevinchapman8766 Ай бұрын

Playoffs need to be expanded to 20 teams. What no one seems to mention is that under the current format, there's virtually no reward for winning your division

@waldmarwolchuk9483 Ай бұрын

BEST Podcast i have head in a longggggggggggg time ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

@Zeneroth Ай бұрын

Personally I think the amount of teams if fine, 16 teams out 32. Playoffs already take about 2 months, is fine. I wish they would go back to 1 vs 8, which divs, but div leaders don't get top 3 seeds, it's just straight seeding by points. Then re-org by seed number ever round like NFL does.

@FireAtWiII Ай бұрын

Its not a true 31 Thoughts pod if Elliotte doesn't mention what Hrudey thinks of someone.

@Tlilancalqui Ай бұрын

Expanded playoffs are fine, but you gotta preserve the integrity of the game. It doesn't matter how many goals you score, it's who has more at the end.

@proffingers Ай бұрын

SUIT AND THAI, common guys it's right there

@TH-tl6sy Ай бұрын

Its ridiculous how they schedule the oilers final stretch then move up the playoffs. Back to backs road trip top teams. finish in Colorado on April 18 after a back to back 5 games in 8 days. Playoffs start 2 days later. Getting out of the 1st round will be the hardest round ever!

@BuddaBoomer Ай бұрын

I think they'll HAVE to expand the playoffs if the league expands to 36 teams or whatever some people are saying, but i doubt they'll do it before that, if at all.

@jeremybrazier786 Ай бұрын

I wouldn't want my team to have a 5-day break at the beginning of the playoffs. Too easy to lose any momentum you built up

@robweeks1453 Ай бұрын

Exactly. You take the entire grueling schedule and finish first and then all of a sudden the shittiest teams get a chance to gain some momentum and take out the first seed first round. I like the idea of mini series within the season with more divisional and intra conference games. You basically have playoff rounds for points in the standings .

@brycemcneil4404 Ай бұрын

3:51 re: "competitive reasons," you have to remember that there is no perfect playoff. It's about balancing the need to make the sport as entertaining & high stakes as possible with the need to feel like the champion is in fact a worthy one. That said, I wish the NFL had stuck with their 12/32 format. That to me was the best playoff format in major league sports.

@Implicit_Truth Ай бұрын

NHLPA would have a hard time approving this without a bigger cap bump. Players in the playoffs don't get a paycheck, more unpaid games needs some sort of tradeoff.

@MajorCanada Ай бұрын

Just do a 3 game play in like the bubble. So easy. You pay the price if you sneak in like the Canucks in 2020.

@kenklak Ай бұрын

"If you're not there, you must be jail. And if you're in jail, BREAK OUT!!!!"

@chestercheeto9768 Ай бұрын

If I was leaf’s management I’d ask if Tavares would be open to be traded and if not I’d just scratch him until he caves

@GoodMenstruationAttitude Ай бұрын

wow Elliotte is pro selling more tickets to meaningless games? SHOCKER

@mike196212 Ай бұрын

The Leafs won their last Cup on May 2,1967,also the last game played in the old ''original six(actually inaccurate)'' league. Expanded playoffs? Pure greed. Ken Dryden rightfully,I think,believed that hockey meant more to Canadians than baseball meant to Americans. Not many fans will stay away even if the Cup is eventually awarded in August.

@camerondrummond9918 Ай бұрын

shoutout ricoh coliseum

@firstlast9707 Ай бұрын

It's a great idea. It makes the regular season MORE IMPORTANT because if you don't get a top 7 spot, then you play an EXTRA ROUND in the most brutal playoff in professional sports. Also, top teams get MORE REST. Of you could have top three teams in each division skipping first round. Three game series. 3v3 OT until there is a goal.

@firstlast9707 Ай бұрын

2012 kings with the 8 seed still would have won cup under this system.

@kiroolioneaver8532 Ай бұрын

Yep one of the benefits of the NBA season (much like soccer) is you create two competing races; to get into the top six and to get into the four bottom play-in spots.

@RoamHockey Ай бұрын

the first half of your comment I agree with totally.. but 3 on 3 overtime has zero business in the playoffs..I hate it even now let alone in the regular season

@1pbdecoded1pb Ай бұрын

I shut this off when he said Ovechkin the transition goal champion will be passed by Auston Matthews. It's what everyone is talking about. Only Morons would hold that conversation. Bye Jeff!

@robweeks1453 Ай бұрын

Statistically he is on pace to pass him. Why not talk about this when they are the 2 best goal scorers among active players who currently are looking at one of the most sacred records ? This shouldn't be the focus but should be a mention which is what it is in most podcasts I listen to.

@viperswhip Ай бұрын

I don't want the playoffs to expand and just so we are clear, I support the Canucks, who are eternally mid. Okay, maybe if you get rid of the Wildcards, and so the top 3 from each division then the next 4 teams have a best of 3 tournament (not 3 on 3, I was so f'ing bored with the All-Star Game, longer than 5 minutes, NOPE), I could get behind that, they play for last two playoff spots, fine.

@dagger4442 Ай бұрын

I would rather them focus on changing the rules around altering teams in divisions. Like moving teams out of divisions every 5 years or so. Its very boring and a bad look when certain teams always play eachother and one team always wins. Public perception is not good people will start to think its a rigged league. I think the main focus and selling point is would this effect the game negaitively at the expense of abit more revenue? Would this make the fans happy? or just acouple of teams?

@vimmentors6747 Ай бұрын

Are you a great player if you score a lot of goals but you wont give up some of those goals to make your team better so you never win a Cup?

@nickchristoforou7850 Ай бұрын

Don't agree Elliott. All that fuss just for one home playoff game? It's just not worth it IMO. I like the playoff format as is, but would ditch the divisional playoffs and go 1 vs 8, etc.

@notesandfragments Ай бұрын

No more teams in the playoffs. Stop the insanity. All we want is for it to go back to 1v8, 2 v7 etc. Two conferences, no more divisions.

@jonahs5956 Ай бұрын

Keep it at 16 for now, once the league gets to 36 teams which it seems it will in the somewhat hear future, expand to a 20 team playoff.

@spaidscollectables2224 Ай бұрын

Just a thought but if teams knew they could get into the playoffs we would probably get more buyers at the deadlines as well gate and etc helps too

@kiroolioneaver8532 Ай бұрын

This is EXACTLY what's happened in the NBA. The trade deadline has been much more exciting with the play-in.

@miggslor9985 Ай бұрын

Please... no play-in bs. Leave the playoffs alone. 16 team make it, 16 teams don't. I would rather they get rid of the current format and go back to 1 vs 8... but no expanding.

@TwoToneTonyLee Ай бұрын

Did Elliot get new dentures? Or was he just drinking milk, god the awesome mouth noises were unreal. Someone Get on a treadmill, so he’s not breathing so hard too. Between Jeff Incessant ramblings and Elliott breathing and mouth noises. I had to take breaks from listening.

@jugsteve Ай бұрын

So a bad reason by a bad management group that has let the NHL stagnate from the position of strength it had in the mid-1990s.

@danrice8845 Ай бұрын

Why not get rid of the playoffs and just give everyone a participation ribbon? There are only two groups who would benefit from this, the hockey media and gamblers. What a load of nonsense.

@biglebowski3961 Ай бұрын

This pulling goalie with a tie game fad. Vegas got a free point because wild did that. Both oilers and kings are in a race with Vegas in the standings. How is this fair?

@biffstrong1079 Ай бұрын

It's pointless to ruin your playoffs and make them not-see watching. The extra best of three , best of five playoff rounds the NHL held back in the 70's 80's resulted in a lot of sub optimal results and series . The same way the rigid divisional playoff structure that the NHL had already tried and failed with back in the day hasn't worked that well when they returned to it. I would go with a one versus sixteen format and not be penny wise on the fuel costs. At the very least go back to one versus eight and don't triplicate this mistake ever again. I wouldn't add undeserving team's to play some horrible first round that helps invalidate your regular season because some crappy team sneaks through for a round or two. The beauty is the NHL has tried these playoff formats and they have failed. So the experience is there. Learn from it. Back in 1975 the Islanders, The Penguins, Blackhawks and Maple Leafs all won those first idiotic best of three series. They all lost in the next round except for the Islanders who beat Pittsburgh. Then they lost. The Islanders in 1980 won a cup after winning a preliminary best of five round. They however had finished second in their division. They had 91 points they were the fifth best regular season team in the league. The 79 Rangers made it to the final and they were a real playoff team. They were also fifth in the league. There is no one winning these idiot preliminary round series that wasn't a real playoff team or making it to the final. In 1979 you had 17 NHL teams and there were 12 playoff teams. Try not to go back to that insanity. Learn the lessons you have already learned. Buffalo could have solved their problem any time in the last three years by settling on a useful veteran goalie that wasn't Eric Comrie. Their defense is coming around. Oh my goodness get a vet to go with them. Get a vet. Lukkonnen can be the starter with a veteran. Levi can win the job if he is able. Get a veteran. Spend a little money on a starter.

@robertmclean2812 Ай бұрын

Expanding the playoffs is foolish . Let's not reward poor teams. It's supposed to be hard to get into the playoffs. " Don't wish it was easier, wish you were better. "

@CapsBrotha Ай бұрын

Matthews will eventually become injury prone over his career and never touch Ovi’s all time goal record

@keithleach1880 Ай бұрын

and everyone gets a participation prize.

@nathancampbell1650 Ай бұрын

Dallas

@HeWhoRoamsAimlessly Ай бұрын

No expanded playoffs. Nope. Don't care. The tighter and more competitive the stanley cup playoffs are the better. I'd rather see a different approach to granting to first over top 5 picks.

@biglebowski3961 Ай бұрын

Nhl is already watered down. Now they are talking about expanding to even more teams. Expanding the playoffs? Are wild or blues playoff material? Many teams don't even have enough nhl ready players on their roster. Sharks. Ducks, Hawks, are an insult to their fans. League should actually be downsizing instead of expanding.

@asudbury817 Ай бұрын

If playoffs expand , won't need to watch regular season anymore. While I hate this, it would free up weeks of my life so maybe not a bad thing. Cap has been fine has introduced parity which is good. I think Elliot is overstating how much people have issue with current cap. He's offsides here- sounds like the typical 'insider' propaganda

@kiroolioneaver8532 Ай бұрын

What actually happens with a play-in where a team or teams have byes (like in baseball, football, and basketball) is you have two races; one race to get the bye/home court and another race to get into the riskier play-in.

@Not_Lenny88 Ай бұрын

Dude, Marek, please stop talking over Elliotte.

@mosert82 Ай бұрын

Glasston Matthews will never reach those goal totals

@boz2998 Ай бұрын

Shut up!!!!! Expanded playoff is an awful idea. They play 82 games for a reason. And wild card series will kill playoff pools. Playoff pools drive interest especially for people that might not watch.

@derekparsey1168 Ай бұрын

Just over half the teams should make it. Anything more is a circus

@hockeyfan7100 Ай бұрын

FEWER teams should make it. NOT more.

@derekparsey1168 Ай бұрын

@@hockeyfan7100 Good luck selling that to the owners

@mickeymasters8294 Ай бұрын

PROBABY THE WORST TAKE IVE HEARD FROM ELLIOT! NO EXPANDED PLAYOFFS..WHAT IS THIS TUMMY STICKS? WE HANDED OUT PARTICIPATION TROPHYS NOW?. EVERYONE GETS A STAR ON THE FRIDGE?

@boz2998 Ай бұрын

Elliot you live in your weird media bubble, you don’t represent the average NHL fan

@danbeaudreau499 Ай бұрын

More hockey is never bad.

@brodeur7 Ай бұрын

Hahahahaha shut up about matthews what a joke

@frozenpoopy Ай бұрын

I don't care about the cap, just reseed the conference to 1-8 instead of current format. And honestly NHL shouldn't be afraid about the fighting and hitting. They should embrace it and post biggest hits of the week or best fights of the week.

@KT22672 Ай бұрын

As a kid I remember when they would run actual highlight reels of hockey with all the goals, the best saves, the biggest hits, and the fights and scrums, now they just show the goals, they don't even get all the good saves.