No More Rolling Coal: Tuning a P-pump AFC

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Rolling coal is a complete waste of fuel/money. A properly tuned diesel truck should not leave clouds of black smoke. Watch me tune this p-pump 12 valve Cummins and learn how to tune your truck correctly. The principles talked about in this video also apply to the VE pump 1st gen cummins.
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@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
My first time adjusting a P-pump! Go ahead, roast me in the comments OR let's hear suggestions for my next attempt at tuning this thing!
@houston19871
@houston19871 3 жыл бұрын
I just did my and my smoke screw i turned it in till i felt it touch the diagram and ended up turning it in 3/4 after driving it start wheel 4 turns from being all the way back stock fuel plate and 3k springs with afc all the way forward and fuel plate it barely smoke on take off very light haze and clean till rpms reach 2800 then it goes back into fueling 34max psi boost
@tomprice2407
@tomprice2407 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for cleaning up the Exhaust. Rolling coal is pointless and not cool anymore
@D.M.Designs
@D.M.Designs 2 жыл бұрын
I like my 12 valve clean too. It is just the nature of the beast with a mechanical pump and static timing. If we could make an on the fly timing gear that can work with a more "intelligent" AFC device we could have a better 12v that is still more reliable than any newer truck.
@ercysuazo726
@ercysuazo726 Жыл бұрын
@@D.M.Designs afc live
@AlaskaMike72
@AlaskaMike72 Жыл бұрын
"Rolling coal" is just plain stupid. Thanks for posting a great video on properly tuning the P7100.
@rayjay6769
@rayjay6769 2 жыл бұрын
Nice detailed video and adjustment descriptions that you went through to get the truck to where it ran best for you. I've never messed with a P pump before either, and your descriptions will help me know where an approximation might work from my Step Van. I have not seen any other video out there with adjustment descriptions and video. You did an awesome job, and thank you very much for taking the time to post this video!
@BRWfilms
@BRWfilms Жыл бұрын
This was very educational for me. I really have been wanting to get rid of the excessive smoke on mine. Thought I had to buy a bigger turbo but really not ready to order it. Will try this instead for the time being
@samoandude6838
@samoandude6838 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this. I'm new to the p pump cummins and appreciate your time.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
I'm new to them as well so corroborate my videos with other information as well
@matthewbenson7143
@matthewbenson7143 3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say thanks for doing this. I haven't adjusted my AFC yet either and was wanting to see something in truck as opposed to on bench.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matthew! We're getting in to some uncharted territory for myself so I feel very vulnerable making videos like this but I'm glad it helped
@EVtripper
@EVtripper 11 ай бұрын
This was a great video. This applies to my 12v 5.9L Cummins and my VW 1.6td idi engine too. (both VE pumps)
@loganbuzby865
@loganbuzby865 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for the in-truck view of things. Very helpful!
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@DuddiesAdventure
@DuddiesAdventure 3 жыл бұрын
Much better tuning. Truck looks like its runs great and right now. Great Job Tim!
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Duddie!
@mattleonard5268
@mattleonard5268 3 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna try your way to tune my 95 12v cummins so I can get max power without bogging the turbo or dumping smoke. I’ve been messing around with it but I can’t seem to figure out just the right combination of smoke screw and star wheel. Thanks for the good video.
@mattleonard5268
@mattleonard5268 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite way to tune the star wheel with a stock hx35 is by removing it and applying regulated shop compressed air at 35 psi to the afc. Then adjust the star wheel as needed to get full rack travel at 35 psi of boost.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
Great idea!
@Harrisonweightman
@Harrisonweightman 2 жыл бұрын
Any videos of this procedure by chance?
@ceejaylong444
@ceejaylong444 Жыл бұрын
I need someone to show me how to do this
@mileaux
@mileaux 3 ай бұрын
nice! make a vid on that.
@taymDodge
@taymDodge 3 жыл бұрын
Set of the LMC Truck door seals arrived this week. They definitely look good, will let you know how they fit/function after the install.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
Oh boy!! I'm curious to hear your review
@CustomJeep
@CustomJeep 6 ай бұрын
Great video. Appreciate the info. Alot easier to tune a 12 valve than I thought. Putting one in my F350 once the 7.3 decides it needs a major repair. At 317K miles it's anyone's guess how long it will last. Seems to run ok, but we will see. Already have the full conversion kit to mate the 12 valve to the ZF6 manual.
@NVSRides
@NVSRides 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. 👍
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 👍
@tetradgroup
@tetradgroup 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I learned something I didn't know that I didn't know 👍
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Audio will be taking a step in the right direction thanks to you 👍
@tetradgroup
@tetradgroup 3 жыл бұрын
@@decentgarage looking forward to it
@davidwilder7109
@davidwilder7109 2 жыл бұрын
Good video. My 97 is over fueling bad. Not sure who was into it over the years, but constant smoke. Planning on seeing what I can do about it this coming weekend.
@thelagmeister
@thelagmeister Жыл бұрын
My 97 does the same thing. It smokes a little all the time.
@bplumbj
@bplumbj 3 жыл бұрын
And this episode sponsored by Sonic drinks 🤣 Yeah, no more depends! Keep up the good work Tim, you help a lot of us.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
The sonic cup was unintentional haha but hey now we have another unofficial sponsor 🤣
@jacobstoor3151
@jacobstoor3151 2 жыл бұрын
I really miss my crew. Should have never sold it but life is what it is. Great video. Had to subscribe. When you do the GSK make another video.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
I will never sell mine. GSK video is out. Let me know if you can't find it 👍
@curtisgerhart396
@curtisgerhart396 Жыл бұрын
Dude!! Fantastic video. I am professor that loves tinkering with my Jeep with a 4BTAA. I get very frustrated with videos on these mods in a lab/bench. Are you kidding me?! How do you tune or adjust these on a bench? How many 4BTers are modifying 4BTs on a bench? The vids I have seen will inform the viewer how and that is it. As a professor, in my discussions and teaching, if my goal in teaching is start with answering the "why" with the "how" I am successful. I have failed if I don't and students will not get the understanding they need. You did a great job in explaining how, but including the answering the "why." Few KZfaqrs do this in their instructional videos. There's several books on this. First one is titled: "Start With Why, by Simon Sinek.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage Жыл бұрын
Curtis I'm glad this was helpful. I'm also a professor so I guess teaching this way comes more natural to me. I'll check out that book for sure 👍
@jimkillen1065
@jimkillen1065 Жыл бұрын
I remember this video .. i many years ago wanted to help my truck it got poor mileage and just seemed lacking in power . So i finally after everyone saying O will burn a hole in the piston. I gave the engine timing the mileage went from 16 to 21 on the highway . 17.5 deg or close to that timing . Power i installed a 10 plate all the way forward. The AFC all the way forward. Gave it some preboost . 3 k governor springs.. 215 injectors..i got them from Piers in Canada . Believe it or not with a automatic i could drive it with a lite foot and it did ok . . But when i installed a g56 things got worse . I finally got tired of the smoke very quickly.. Cruise control was a pain in the butt on hill as the cruise will give the truck more throttle . ..So i orderd the spring kit for the AFC and installed it .i then started adjusting the star wheel back . The truck seemed to run better but it would stll smoke pretty good .. i adjust the pre boost back also ..Finally after a few attempts the star wheel , i loosen up the AFC house and slid it all the way back . That finally got the smoke under control. Still runs good ..shifting through the gears is good . I can if i want make it smoke a bit . But for me its a lot better to drive . . I dont care about high end hp . I just want smooth power and not deal with people. Drama , smoke ..To be honest its still a lot better than it ever was stock .. .
@mileaux
@mileaux 3 ай бұрын
16mpg…that’s what i’m getting right now on my 97. i got to figure out my pump.
@Nickell666
@Nickell666 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a 2nd gen 12v with an s400 and 150hp sticks. Thing smokes like crazy 3rd gear on with light throttle. I haven’t tried adjusting anything yet bc it does run good, but I think it needs some fine tuning
@steele_moto932
@steele_moto932 2 жыл бұрын
Hey I’m diesel tech and my personal truck is a 1997 12v and a few mods I would recommend would definitely be a #10 fuel plate for less low rpm fuel , also I would recommend a new afc spring that is longer I believe the one I put in my truck was from bd diesel and it lets the afc have more travel and a smoother ramp up of fuel with boost
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
Great suggestions man! I've since upgraded the AFC spring and that made a huge difference.
@BRWfilms
@BRWfilms Жыл бұрын
I need those seats and center console!
@cullenhopson9440
@cullenhopson9440 2 жыл бұрын
I got mine tuned to just about perfect for best fuel economy while towing a gooseneck with 30k on it, got a 100 plate and 30 psi of boost, I’d love to be able to turn it down tho for when I haul my 5th wheel and then just drive back and forth to work… I think afc live is in my future lol
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
I really want to go AFC live on Prospector Bob as well!
@jeremylaurenorrdorsey7492
@jeremylaurenorrdorsey7492 2 жыл бұрын
may want to slide the afc housing and adjust the star wheel from there seems like it would put less pressure on the spring
@davidzigrang7924
@davidzigrang7924 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tim
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks David
@davidzigrang7924
@davidzigrang7924 3 жыл бұрын
I like all your videos and the projects you do I always find something that helps me with my projects thank you for your time David
@vendetta1306
@vendetta1306 2 жыл бұрын
Much obliged
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@carlk6398
@carlk6398 Жыл бұрын
Great Video, one of the simplest on setting up AFC. So many just say "everything full forward!" without a thought to how it all works. Simply getting the preboost dialed in on my truck resulted in better fuel mileage; going from 13 mpg to 15 mpg, mostly city driving. I adjusted mine similar to your method and it's now a blast to drive. Throttle response is so reactive, surprised how little it takes to get moving. I can even cruise @ 65mph with just the weight of my foot on the throttle. Then lean into it and gobs of power on demand. Considered the AFC live, but once you get the AFC dialed in, it's pretty good for most scenarios.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage Жыл бұрын
Glad this was helpful. It's a pretty straight forward process once you understand it
@michaelschwarzbach8064
@michaelschwarzbach8064 2 жыл бұрын
Smoke definitely makes horsepower. I just turned mine down to not smoke. It’s slow af compared to how it was. I could spool 45+ psi through my S366. Now it struggles to go over 30. Turning it back up after I’m done traveling.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
Correct. Smoke = more fuel without adequate air supply. So if you are making with more power witlots of smoke this tells you that you need to upgrade the air side of the equation. Fuel is not the only variable
@alphataurusii
@alphataurusii 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, I'm from Germany, why do so many Americans love to let their trucks soot? Greetings from Germany🤗
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, not sure about that either but i hate when people roll coal.
@D.M.Designs
@D.M.Designs 2 жыл бұрын
Because in America we have "County Fairs". They often have tractor pull events. As a child pulling trucks tuned for max W.O.T. power left such an impression on our young minds we assume that is the way to make power on our personal trucks that are barely used at W.O.T. and need a usuable range of power. Smoke is a by product on an all out competition motor, but many can not distinguish the needs of a comp motor from a mixed use motor. Also in America we feel what we make with our money is our choice and property and I am cool with that too. I am all for simple mechanical motors. We just need bio fuel in warm weather. Stop regulating citizens and step up to Big Oil, Airlines, Shipping, and 3rd world factories.
@mohamedabada7101
@mohamedabada7101 2 жыл бұрын
I love you bro your awesome
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
I know 😅
@tryduck6993
@tryduck6993 2 жыл бұрын
exactly how I did my 8.3 in DP now it pulls mountains dragging 33k lbs up no problem.When I got it years ago it would handle steep mountains but barely get up them at 55 . Once did the 75hp throttle plate kit and tune I had no issues holding 65 up and feel it would even accelerate to 75-80 with no problem. I do try to hold around 60-65 to maintain Low EGT temps with 12mpg because even at 70 it drops off 10 mpg and 75-80 about 7mpg With the pump mods. Runs like I am driving a pickup and have to set cruise on long drives or I would often end up past 75 not even meaning to as I followed Trucks.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's amazing how far some pump tuning will go.
@daveriddlelin9327
@daveriddlelin9327 2 жыл бұрын
I got 8.3 in 32ft… flipping rocket in the mountains.. weighs 21 k ,, guessing at 40 lbs boost 1200 degrees 2100 450hp. power clamps crazy above that.. absolutely blows people’s minds … 12 mpg at 70
@daveriddlelin9327
@daveriddlelin9327 2 жыл бұрын
Reason fuel mileage drops is rpm more then anything.. Cummins at 1500 rpm sips fuel.. makin same power at 2100 twice the fuel… ur rigs need gear change but too expensive.. speed limit was 55 when built.. with tuning easily take tall ratio bet 15 mpg at 70 possible.. I take a lot of two lanes average 50 mph get 15 plus without trying in hills… flat land 75… 8 mpg
@daveriddlelin9327
@daveriddlelin9327 2 жыл бұрын
Hard to get info on 8.3 pumps when I contacted after market they claimed a 325 pump was already maxed out..they sold nothing for them…. Slid stock plate all the way.. turned up boost.. more then enough fuel for at least 550 hp from stock 8.3 pump.. they aren’t same as pick up pump.. bigger delivery valves plungers move plenty of fuel.. if u haven’t.. turn up waste gate.. at 30 35 psi it’s whole different experience
@mattleonard5268
@mattleonard5268 2 жыл бұрын
35 psi of boost is the magic number for performance and efficiency with a 12v and a stock hx35 turbo
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
Finally got it there with a new lift pump
@Deezle_Gaming
@Deezle_Gaming 2 жыл бұрын
AFC position also matters. My AFC is slid all the way forward the smoke screw is backed all the way out and it still makes a decent cloud down low.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah i didn't mention that but i believe i have my housing all the way forward as well
@Deezle_Gaming
@Deezle_Gaming 2 жыл бұрын
@@decentgarage That interesting ours are so different on the smoke screw position. Maybe the pump matters too, mine's a 215hp pump.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
@@Deezle_Gaming when this video was filmed i only have about 8-10 psi of fuel pressure. I just fixed that and will be retuning it again. That's probably the main difference
@joelrush953
@joelrush953 3 ай бұрын
Do I need to mess with my star wheel if my truck is only Rolling coal pre boost? Or do the smoke screw and star wheel work together so if you adjust one, the other will be off adjustment?
@mattleonard5268
@mattleonard5268 2 жыл бұрын
You don’t need a lot of preboost screw, only about .5-1.5 turns past contact with the screw. Any more will make the idle mixture too rich and it will run too rich till it spools the turbo.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah i readjusted that. It was too rich
@deerchaser7395
@deerchaser7395 Жыл бұрын
Power driven diesel makes a afc live kit for p pumps
@mutantryeff
@mutantryeff 3 жыл бұрын
Need to work on my VE tuning. First need to adjust valves as they are a bit clanky.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
Check out my valve adjustment video!
@mutantryeff
@mutantryeff 3 жыл бұрын
@@decentgarage I used to do all my valve adjustments since early 90s, but now I get the kid to do them as he is more flexible. Have you ever used or heard of the 'McKenzie Tool Company B&C TDC LOCATOR PT31793'? A very accurate way to find TDC for pump timing. I have one of the few of these tools ever made.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
@@mutantryeff I've never heard of that. Now I'm curious
@mutantryeff
@mutantryeff 3 жыл бұрын
@@decentgarage I'll see if I can get some photos and forward. It might take a few days.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
@@mutantryeff please do. My email is in the video description or I'm on instagram
@bplumbj
@bplumbj 3 жыл бұрын
So the smoke screw could use adjusted if the engine has a hard cold start issue, even when it’s not very cold, just sits overnight?
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but another tip if you have hard starts is to just bump the throttle real quick when you start it 👍
@ryanm4738
@ryanm4738 3 жыл бұрын
Or try replacing your fuel filter
@daveriddlelin9327
@daveriddlelin9327 2 жыл бұрын
Egt is best way…only way to know really.. at 20 psi I like 1000 max at full send 1200 1250… with haze u got now it’s too hott for sure
@mattleonard5268
@mattleonard5268 2 жыл бұрын
My p pump 12v doesn’t smoke at all no matter what. I wish it would smoke like yours, but only when I really want it to. Are you not running a fuel plate? I have a 100 fuel plate in which is one step below a 0 fuel plate.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
Mine has a 100 fuel plate as well
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
Keeping watching the videos on this truck. I just barely got it running good.
@seanjuth
@seanjuth 2 ай бұрын
Do you have a fire alarm fan in your family?
@johnmaxx4818
@johnmaxx4818 Жыл бұрын
N o matter what I adjust,the only way I hear the turbo is air cleaner 90 pipe removed
@decentgarage
@decentgarage Жыл бұрын
What year is your truck and what turbo.
@johnmaxx4818
@johnmaxx4818 Жыл бұрын
@@decentgarage 97 stock,4inch exhaust,12 valve 0 plain fuel plate
@decentgarage
@decentgarage Жыл бұрын
@@johnmaxx4818 have you pulled the silencer ring out of your hx35 turbo?
@johnmaxx4818
@johnmaxx4818 Жыл бұрын
@@decentgarage yes
@johnmaxx4818
@johnmaxx4818 Жыл бұрын
@@decentgarage I believe it's in the AFC housing you know the smoke screw or the spindle
@greendodge98
@greendodge98 2 жыл бұрын
Put AFC LIVE on it from Power Driven Diesel
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
That's going to be coming soon
@fullsendz3231
@fullsendz3231 Жыл бұрын
Why would you not want to roll coal? You need the option to roll coal so you can roll coal on teslas. 🤦🏻‍♂️
@brycemanuel4205
@brycemanuel4205 3 жыл бұрын
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@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
She most certainly did
@tarnow07
@tarnow07 2 жыл бұрын
annoying watching first-timers fiddle around, just put a AFC live on it with a long travel kit on it, then you can fiddle around all day long without having to even pull over. lol. also for adjusting the star wheel, hook it to shop air with a gauge on it, adjust it so it starts moving at about 15 psi depending on your turbo set up.
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to annoy you... 😔
@redfuel6bt
@redfuel6bt 3 жыл бұрын
Soooo all the truck and tractor pulling guys are doing it wrong? Smoke obviously = power, the millions of truck and tractor pullers are NOT wrong!
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
This is comparing apples to oranges. Sled pulling vs daily driving is a very different scenario. Sled pullers need extreme HP for seconds. They also needs huge amounts of fuel to spoil the turbos they run. This is not the same for daily driven diesel trucks. I'll leave it at that.
@kaydewhipple7696
@kaydewhipple7696 3 жыл бұрын
Look on DAP diesel thry have a afc spring kit get the springs thry are longer and will work alot better and set the star wheel all the way down. Idk how we can go about it but you can contact me and I can help you more
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
I'm still trying to research the AFC spring. I've heard mixed reviews on running a stiffer spring.
@kaydewhipple7696
@kaydewhipple7696 3 жыл бұрын
The after market springs are not stiffer ...they are longer and are way more tunable
@decentgarage
@decentgarage 3 жыл бұрын
@@kaydewhipple7696 interesting! That sounds like what I want then. Thanks for the clarification
@jimkillen1065
@jimkillen1065 Жыл бұрын
​@@kaydewhipple7696 I appreciate the information. I interested in a longer spring I think as I trying to adjust my afc to reduce the smoke . I tried to reduce the smoke but I adjust the spring back and the truck seems to run better and less smoke but I think I running out of adjustment . So do you know which spring kit is the one to buy as they seem to offer different ones thanks
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