Of Mîm & the Dwarf’s Curse | Of The Children of Húrin: Tolkien's First Age Explained

Of Mîm & the Dwarf’s Curse | Of The Children of Húrin: Tolkien's First Age Explained - Part 4 of 13

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A sinister tale of the Petty-dwarves...
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@denissediaz3640 Жыл бұрын

I think one of my favorite parts of this story is friendship and how Tolkien didn’t shy away from showing how a man can love another man as friends and it’s just completely normal. It shows another side of masculinity that is not often depicted anywhere else yet I feel is really important to showcase. Recently, men’s social circles are shrinking, especially when it comes to close male friends, and it is nothing but detrimental to both physical and mental health. It is important to have models of how men can both be absolute bad assses and still love their besties and the same time ❤😂

@patrickhenry236 Жыл бұрын

What you are describing is called "brotherhood". Until the drive to wokify the military, this still existed in our military and was quite strong. That's a secret behind Tolkien's writings, socialism and "equity" or the drive to force the same outcome on everyone through dominion ultimately destroys those natural bonds.

@kylewilliams6091 Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately being masculine is being toxic in today’s society

@kenntakac5034 Жыл бұрын

That is one of my favourite thing about Tolikien. He shows pure love of heart and friendship that has nothing to do with sexuality, so hard to find in today´s world...

@umadbroimatroll7918 Жыл бұрын

@@kenntakac5034 he was in the trenches, he loved and was loved by his brothers in arms. It's a brotherly love you can only find in hard times.

@ralphwellman1435 Жыл бұрын

Him like a lot of others just repeat the same Information over and over eith slight iterations and slowly adding a bit more. It's all about money and this guy sounds like he loves his own voice. Uch

@LordOfTheLore123 Жыл бұрын

Mim and the Noegyth Nibin are my one of my favourite lesser known groups. The death of Mim's son over a sack of potatoes is one of the most tragic deaths in all of Tolkien's work.

@EderReis Жыл бұрын

Turin's honor was shattered that instant

@BrooklynRedLeg Жыл бұрын

Mîm really was a tragic figure. And its not like the Noegyth Nibin didn't have SOME legitimate grievances against Thingol's folk (and maybe Denethor's) for hunting them at first, showing just how ignoble Elves could be in all honesty. Too many people think of Tolkien's Elves as perfect when they are anything but, especially if you read any of The Three Great Tales and/or The Silmarillion.

@lizatsitrin3105 Жыл бұрын

Every time you sing the praises of those most wonderful legends, Beleg Cuthalion and Finrod Felagund, my heart sings along

@johnicenogle593 Жыл бұрын

Aragorn would probably smile and agree with you

@dictatoribenevolo8394 Жыл бұрын

yeah, strider wouldn't mind

@haleyschreiter9746 Жыл бұрын

I quite agree: Finrod, Beleg, & Fingon are all friends the caliber of Samwise the Brave! Unfortunately, none of them get Sam's happy ending....

@dv6342 Жыл бұрын

Beleg agrees in hero.

@FinrodFelagundTheFair 3 ай бұрын

Please, leave me out of this. I do not belong among the likes of Beleg Cúthelion and Fingon. Those kin of mine were the best of the best. The most righteous among us that I could only hope to equal. They set the example for the rest of us to live by. All I can do is hope that my deeds compare in measure to those great kindred. Also I feel King Elessar Telcontoúr would agree with me that there were far greater and more majestic men and elves that walked this world than us. For our deeds do not compare to Fingolfin or Beren. Nor do we compare to Glorfindel or Maehdros. Pardon my rambling, I tend to get carried away when speaking about those dark times. As for my part, all I did was act out of love for Barahir and Beren. Not for my oath. That was second. But, I cared for them as I care for myself. And could not stand by while Beren risked everything for Lúthien. A man among men he was. As fair as any Elf and far more caring.

@jameshitt3263 Жыл бұрын

Turin is caught in the middle of this triangle of incompatible people: Mim, Androg, and Beleg all don't get along with each other, but they all share some or another kind of love or fondness or loyalty to Turin. How does he keep getting himself enmeshed in the most complicated and difficult situations... (Also, I keep thinking to myself about black Anglachel, hidden in the background once Beleg arrives...)

@tomk537 Жыл бұрын

Again - by drawing parallels like that between Gollum/Frodo and Mim/Turin - this enriches the both individual stories and arc of the meta-narrative - and provides greater insight into the mind of the author- bravo!! Tolkien Untangled is my favorite lore channel by far!

@ddavidjeremy Жыл бұрын

This channel brings me great joy. It has reinvigorated my love for Tolkein and that value cannot be overstated. Thank you so very much Dave.🙂

@arespaulson414 Жыл бұрын

Holy fuck. Sorry.... language... but... OH MY GOD. I cannot wait for your next instalment. I've read these works but honestly, I feel like I must have been sleeping through them. Your retelling and reframing leaves me in tears. It's magical!

@MrARock001 Жыл бұрын

To start with, the term "petty" in the way Tolkien used it would be from the French word "petit", just meaning small, rather than our current usage meaning spiteful. Humanising (for lack of a better term) the Petty Dwarves, and Mîm in particular, really throws the narrative around the Noldor into another light. Suddenly the "good guys" are shown to be arrogant conquerors and settlers, taking lands and hunting the people who already lived there like animals. The fact that the Petty Dwarves were just assumed to be evil because they were outcasts from dwarven kingdoms illuminates the kinds of prejudice alive in Middle Earth at the time. But it wasn't the Petty Dwarves who awoke the Balrog, nor the Petty Dwarves who were deceived by Sauron into taking rings of power.

@ddavidjeremy Жыл бұрын

An important distinction.

@Crafty_Spirit Жыл бұрын

You are saying Tolkien deliberately used French-derived vocabulary? I find that hard to believe, I mean his spite went as far as to give only the Sackville-Baggins in the whole of Arda a French inspired name 😂

@ddavidjeremy Жыл бұрын

Petty in the late middle-English derivation just means smaller or lesser. Now we can resume not speaking about the French.😅 I'm kidding France, you know I love you. There's the fries, and the kissing, as well as the connection. And perhaps other things that are French? Who knows, really.😊

@thecappeningchannel515 Жыл бұрын

Tolkien has Rohirim hunt the wodewoses too like animals. He had a decent understanding of good guys shadier sides.

@jodifu6274 Жыл бұрын

@@ddavidjeremy Escargot.

@Gorlim_the_Unhappy Жыл бұрын

I really appreciate your focus on Mìm, his character deserves the through exploration you gave him

@haleyschreiter9746 Жыл бұрын

Tangent or not, I love how often you draw the parallels between Melian and Galadriel, and the profound impact that the former had on the latter! Also, I didn't realize that Mim had a personal history with Finrod... haven't gotten that far in the History of ME yet 😉

@Crafty_Spirit Жыл бұрын

I think that information was published just in the very recent Nature of Middle-Earth

@hfcriske Жыл бұрын

This is the only time ever a tangent about bread has interested me. :)

@aarontalksculture4946 Жыл бұрын

Noldor on hunting petty dwarves - "Oh sh*t! Those are people?! Eru will sort it out..." 😒

@christianstibich7454 Жыл бұрын

A day that starts with Dave's middle earth is a nice day! Thanks for the video, my friend.😊

@nils52911 Жыл бұрын

Checked everyday whether this episode was uploaded. This series is absolute class and you are master of your craft! 🎉

@DC-ps3kn Жыл бұрын

Dave of the many Colours, thank you again for a wonderful video. Friday goes by at a rush with work deadlines and meetings and the knowledge that your video is there, calling all day like a lover waiting for the reunion with a loved one… Love the tangents and lembas and Galadriel and Frodo and the hope for salvation. Can’t wait for the next.

@tarynolyvia Жыл бұрын

This was a beautiful dissection of Mîm and the complexities of Tolkien’s story changing over time. I appreciate that you explain the gray area, and that it’s not as simple as “cannon” or not. It was a masterful explanation yet again! Thank you, 🌈 Rainbow Dave! ☮️

@MrARock001 Жыл бұрын

Your Christopher Lee-as-Mîm voice is impeccable! 🤌

@gunnil.6075 Жыл бұрын

I could listen to you all day! Best regards from Germany

@shawnnorton2218 Жыл бұрын

Today was a good day!!! Awwww yeah! Let’s go~ you da man Dave!!

@joenewton9739 Жыл бұрын

I have thoroughly enjoyed just about every Tolkien legendarium video you have ever made. Your videos are masterful and thorough and that’s why I was completely surprised when you omitted one of the greatest lines ever spoken from Beleg to Thingol. “Then give me leave my Lord to go to him and guard him, then let no one say that Elvish words are lightly spoken!” This omission is practically egregious! I expect to see it addressed lol.

@Syntheconductor Жыл бұрын

Incredible companion to my afternoon as always!

@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615 Жыл бұрын

Great Job Mellon! Well met RD! This part of Turumbar's tale just goes to show that you should never underestimate the will of a vengeful soul..

@astridchladek1927 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Dave! I was already worried… what a wonderful way to start a weekend 🌈🤩🤩 one thing I have to sadly say, though… you have forever spoiled me for all the other Tolkien content creators …. I seem to find real pleasure only in watching your videos. But… what a pleasure it is!🤩🤩🤩

@ianmacdiarmid1249 Жыл бұрын

Another awesome Friday thanks in part to a Tolkien Untangled video

@erichpizer1 Жыл бұрын

love this series graphic commentary analysis anticipating every instalment . Turin was my favourite chapters in Selmirillion 20 years ago when i read it and never forgotten

@AlexMartin-yv1lb Жыл бұрын

I find it interesting that greed is such a strong dwarven character trait given that you can argue that Aule’s greed is the reason they came to exist. It almost like they inherited Aule’s greed as much as his love for crafting.

@mariaangelitaanderson469 Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@Crafty_Spirit Жыл бұрын

Aule was not greedy, he shared all his works willingly with basically the whole world. He was motivated to create Dwarves because he longed for company

@AlexMartin-yv1lb Жыл бұрын

@@Crafty_Spirit I’m not saying he was greedy. Everyone has a degree of greed to themselves. But he made the dwarves in secret because he longed for something he couldn’t have. It was an act of greed, that does not define him as greedy

@michellebeckham5310 Жыл бұрын

@@AlexMartin-yv1lb , you're right. It's more like a need to have something right away. And dwarves love of treasure is how that feeling Aule had manifests in them

@jodifu6274 Жыл бұрын

@@AlexMartin-yv1lb I would say impatience might have been a more descriptive term for his (sub) creation of the Dwarves, though greed isn't necessarily inaccurate. I love how when Iluvatar catches him and says "what are you up to, Son", and he's like "just trying to imitate you, Dad."

@missiejoy Жыл бұрын

Wonderful Sigh! Was waiting wistfully for this and it was well worth the wait. Hee hee alliteration.

@tglrod Жыл бұрын

Yeah! A new video! Looking forward to listen to it 😊

@WhoIsCalli Жыл бұрын

I’ve never known which way to fall on Mim - empathy or a deserved ending. Maybe empathy.. but still such a part of the story that brings up emotions. Thanks 🌈 Dave

@michaelsmyth3935 Жыл бұрын

Empathy, the Nolder hunted them to near extinction. Drove them from their homes, you know, your basic Noldor led genocide.

@johns1625 Жыл бұрын

@@michaelsmyth3935 Justified

@lolloblue9646 Жыл бұрын

Both. Past experience doesn't justify what he did, but it is fair to feel sad for his life.

@Sapient_Pearwood Жыл бұрын

Man, another amazing video. I can't get enough of this story. And Beleg finally coming back into it juat makes everything better

@MrARock001 Жыл бұрын

Just noticing this time through, the parallel between Lembas bread and Earth bread. Both are closely guarded secrets to their cultures, and make the difference between life and death at critical moments in their respective stories.

@m4rc0678 Жыл бұрын

I have, for a couple of hours now, been scrolling through the comments on a lot of this channels videos, as well as other «tolkien-themed» channels, and I have to say that never before have i seen a comment section so peacefull and respectfull, and not to mention informative and interresting! Tolkien fans are just the best.

@tolkienuntangled Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much. I’m fortunate to have great viewers!

@mariaangelitaanderson469 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this deep explanation, this is one of the parts of the story that brought up the most questions for me , even trying to imagine the place... And yes, just like Gollum you wish the friendship can save him... Amazing too what you said about the legendareum spinning out from here, something about this story and how it captures the suffering of men, near to Morgth, it just changed my way of seeing Middle Earth and the meaning of evil.

@Sock-Monster-Simian Жыл бұрын

Always love hearing Rainbow Dave gush over awesome elves.

@durandvictorien5706 Жыл бұрын

Great video and great Chanel ! You inspired me to read all of Tolkien (which as a French guy is not always as easy as it seems !) ^^

@chaiwarrior11 Жыл бұрын

Many thanks, sir.

@SpeakyDeak Жыл бұрын

thank you, i look forward to your vids more than any others and i so am for the next

@leigometido Жыл бұрын

Another astounding vid, brother. Of all your awesome content this might be one of your finest. But I have a hint the next one will be just epic.

@ladyfantastic765 Жыл бұрын

thank you so much for this, Rainbow Dave! Your children of hurin installments also fall on my payday...so it's always a nice way to end the week! hehe! be well!

@turinturambar1159 Жыл бұрын

Thank you again, Sir Dave, for continuing to tell one of my absolute favorite stories from the legendarium! Your labor is adored, and appreciated! Be good to yourself!

@sadek__4952 Жыл бұрын

Started my day with this notification, OMG

@ThunderhawkVeronicaLazerwolf Жыл бұрын

This was awesome! Thanks for the hard work, as always! I feel your drive to be comprehensive is inspring!

@PleaseNThankYou Жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly for your time and labour. You always put those to good use.

@fiddleback1568 5 ай бұрын

Tolkien was very talented with designing so called villians with complex origins and motivations. Mim and the Petty Dwarves are dastardly, pitiful, and sympathetic.

@DHTC888 Жыл бұрын

O MY GODDD thanx Rainbow Dave!!! 🌈❤️💛💚💙

@astridchladek1927 Жыл бұрын

Danke!

@BrianStorm742 Жыл бұрын

This was epic, once again! Can't wait for the next one!

@HerrderRingeFan1 Жыл бұрын

I never understood why People call it "Complaint of Mîm". Yes "die Klage" can mean to "complaint" but has many other meanings and I feel complaint doesn't really hit right. Personally I think "lament(-ation)" would be the more fitting re-translation

@Crafty_Spirit Жыл бұрын

Lamentation should both cover an aspect of accusation and a sorrowful complaint, I like it

@JezzieBell666 Жыл бұрын

Friendship: restored Lembas: eaten Heart: swole

@MrARock001 Жыл бұрын

Great video! Can't wait for the next one! ❤

@Charlie.a Жыл бұрын

Awesome!!! Thank you for all your hard work.

@genoman87 Жыл бұрын

Sir Rainbow! I absolutely LOVE your videos and thoroughly enjoying the Children of Húrin series. i recently finished your adapting the second age series, i was wondering if you ever plan to do a second age series like you did your the first age? Anyway THANK YOU for all of your hard work on these videos they are so so so enjoyable to watch and to hear you tell Tolkiens epic tale! Big love x

@jeffelliott7353 Жыл бұрын

Oh damn. I only just noticed that this was just posted. Alright, time to assault my boxes of books and drag this out. I can't wait. "Well met, indeed."

@allthings2allmen 2 ай бұрын

Hey Dave! I gotta tell ya since I've lived here in south Alabama for 30 years I've come to really love good cornbread. So naturally, at the first mention of elven corn bread made with magical corn no less, I got pretty excited!

@GlenLake Жыл бұрын

So well done! Thank you.

@NuTfielDRobErT Жыл бұрын

Wow well worth the wait👍

@willdemi5618 Жыл бұрын

God i laughed out loud when you said "..which demonstrates a great amount of self control on my part" because A. yes, yes it did. And B. I had been waiting for a Beleg tangent, we share alot of favorite elves (I get the feeling alot of people do reading comments). Ahh its rare and i appreciate the laugh. Great work my friend. Liked and commented as always. Keep making these phenomenal videos, many share in your passion but few show it so openly nor share it so freely and truly I am thankful. Ill keep sharing with friends (some are finally starting to get into the FA and SA stories thanks to your charming and entertaining delivery!) As you deserve every sub and many more than you have currently (although for 3 years doing beloved and well covered stories, id say youve done very well and I wish you more success)

@willdemi5618 Жыл бұрын

Lol I dont know how I feel about your improved cliffhanging ability though! ❤️

@itayshorek6872 11 ай бұрын

Such a masterpiece. and I don't speak about the obvious one that Tolkien creating I'm talking about yours. Thank you Dave

@tolkienuntangled 11 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@jobrown8146 10 ай бұрын

*COMPLAINT OF MIM THE DWARF* - I did a search and found this - I TRANSLATED TOLKIEN'S "LOST" POEM | 'The Complaint of Mîm the Dwarf' by Brewing Books. The link starts from the reading of the translation: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iZ2qfaV3ms3Lqas.htmlsi=0VUG-qLEoI0WO4jI&t=495

@jessewilliams9195 Жыл бұрын

Amazing. Thank you Rainbow Dave

@thurvinfrostbeard1838 Жыл бұрын

Hi! Absolutely love the work you put into making these! Thank you c: are you palling to make a video about Gondor/it's fiefdoms? I feel like that's something not widely covered yet. I also would apprecciate your thoughts on especially the fiefdoms (maybe headcannons) since they are among my favourite tidbits of lore. Have a nice day!

@tolkienuntangled Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I plan to get to the history and geography of Gondor eventually.

@czcrossman Жыл бұрын

Very VERY cool one! I’ve watched dozens of your videos obviously and I love them ask but for some reason this one was SUPREMELY interesting & entertaining! I think party because this is such a poorly explored & little known chapter of the story of Middle Earth. Mim is such an interesting character…I’m not sure if I like him or hate him lol 😂 Either way, I thoroughly enjoyed your video about the Petty Dwarves!!

@tolkienuntangled Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@DanielHammersmiths1000 Жыл бұрын

I love your videos,they are amazing,you make tolkien stories live!I can't wait for you to get to the fall of gondolin,i really hope you adress one of my favorite elves,Ecthelion of the Fountain😁

@ddavidjeremy Жыл бұрын

Yesssssssssss!!!!!

@BrianStorm742 Жыл бұрын

It would be practically impossible to omit Ecthelion from that story

@ianheins650 Жыл бұрын

Nice work dude

@michellebeckham5310 Жыл бұрын

Oh boy, i know what's coming. Epic awesomeness and bull crappy all at once. Gonna need a box of tissues for the next one.

@atanamorell2 Жыл бұрын

Love your work 🌈💕

@thatcrossfitdude Жыл бұрын

Yes, yes, yes! Thanks, RD ❤

@badsitvfx652 Жыл бұрын

Bravo again!

@totaruf1516 Жыл бұрын

Fuck yeah ,, let’s goooooo 🔥🔥🔥 The best story teller on KZfaq ❤

@Enerdhil Жыл бұрын

Poor Beleg. He attached his fate to the worst person possible.

@mlebrooks 7 ай бұрын

I want to write the same comment on every video. I appreciate your sincere passion for your subjects. I am impressed you pronounce all the names.

@tolkienuntangled 7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@sdazzle2460 11 ай бұрын

Epic. Helping out the algorithm with comments.

@richardjohansen5371 11 ай бұрын

The tale should be called "Turin and Beleg: A Bromance"

@florianpollard3460 Жыл бұрын

I love Turin's story, it is so incredibly dramatic.

@halmkbir866 Жыл бұрын

Can you please post your videos in regular basis like every week. Because we wait and wait and don't know when you gonna post the next one. Another thing you used to post them faster than you do now, so hopefully you gonna do that from now on. Great job by the way, keep on. Love your videos.

@victorianguyen6620 Жыл бұрын

Go to the community post for an explanation of your request.

@Enerdhil Жыл бұрын

🌈 Dave puts a tremendous amount of time into each video. They are mostly over half an hour long. Would you rather get a 8-12 minute video once a week? Not me. I appreciate the quality and the length of these videos.

@fiddleback1568 Жыл бұрын

Deign and Churl I'm bringing back into common usage. Whose With Me?

@joluoto Жыл бұрын

Meme, the one dwarf that will never be forgotten.

@shinjinobrave 6 ай бұрын

Ever since I read the Silmarillion I have been baffled that there is a dwarf deadass named Meme and no one is talking about it.

@PrometheanRising Жыл бұрын

I find the idea of conditional gift-giving on the part of Melian to be interesting.

@alexkats30 Жыл бұрын

I just saw a video where you promised a remake of your Rings of Power season 1, but I can't find it. Is this something you are still working on?

@AaronHarvey-sq6kv 11 ай бұрын

I keep re watching these collections because they are SO WELL DONE! Easily one of the best Tolkien channels out there.

@muyspicypepper8258 Жыл бұрын

@tolkienuntangled could you tell us, in or off video, about how many people are roughly in this group of outlaws? Just curious. Cuz sometimes I think it 5 people, sometimes I think it 40. Lol. I'm not gonna try and spell the name of the band of outlaws lol

@tolkienuntangled Жыл бұрын

Originally there were 60 of them, but by the time Túrin joined they had dwindled to 50, and by the end of this video it’s probably about 40.

@superyoda993 Жыл бұрын

Ty Dave

@fred20097 2 ай бұрын

You refer to Galadriel in this as if she has a large role in the lord of the rings. You're wrong. The rings of power thankfully remedy this. I love how they show Galadriel in that. She struggles as much as anyone to defeat evil. What a brilliant tv series!!!

@samueletson22 Жыл бұрын

14:00-15:35.. name of background song/music?

@BrooklynRedLeg Жыл бұрын

They were likely banished from the original home of the Dwarves: Mount Gundabad. And I think they are the reverse of Durin's Folk. Durin had no mate and thus didn't take a wife until the 2nd or 3rd generation of Dwarves were born. And it was how he also gained followers. His children became the Royal Line, while the rest of Durin's Folk were those that followed Durin to where he founded Khazad-dum. The Petty-Dwarves were probably 3rd and 4th generation Dwarves who were banished, and so maybe banded together to found their own "house" (as it were).

@totaruf1516 Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@tolkienuntangled Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@totaruf1516 Жыл бұрын

@@tolkienuntangled no thank u 🙏🏿 Just Keeping on going 🔥🔥

@sarahgould5435 8 күн бұрын

In Turin's defense, he *was* raised by Thingol. I don't think it's really fair to blame his difficult personality traits entirely on Morwen. 😋 I don't think being charmed by Beren dragging himself back bedraggled, missing a hand, *knowing* Thingol was trying to get him killed, but still succeeding and being downright cheeky and difficult about it as he bleeds all over Thingol's floor changed Thingol's underlying difficult personality. It just allowed Thingol to take a second look at some Men.

@straightshowtunelove Жыл бұрын

Mim reminds me a little bit of Shylock from "the Merchant of Venice"

@lizziesmusicmaking Жыл бұрын

Where did you find the info on Finrod's interactions with the petty-dwarves at the beginning of Nargothrond? The little I'd been able to find out from HoMe didn't have any of those details on the initial friendship between them or the petty dwarves trying to kill him, or Mim's personal involvement. I write fanfiction, and try to make the details as accurate as possible. Can you give a reference for me to go look at?

@lizziesmusicmaking Жыл бұрын

Oh, it's in the most recent one, which I haven't read yet. Clearly I need to change this... thanks for the new info!

@MurthorOathstone Жыл бұрын

The music you chose for this video in its first 12 mins makes the petty Dwarves seem really creepy. Almost like they are some lesser creation of morgoth or some sort of race from the void, like ungoliant. That or some variety of Mutation of the Dwarven race which could be a reason why they were cast out by their own people, and from there just de-evolved even further. Just plain scary stuff really.

@blaircolquhoun7780 Жыл бұрын

Was the Dragonhelm part of the relics of Arnor?

@gptsiteuser Жыл бұрын

He’s like the hound lol

@johns1625 Жыл бұрын

You know it makes perfect sense to me that they would be known as petty Dwarves since even though I can really empathize with Mim, at the same time, I really don't care to lol. He was not treated fairly but at the same time was truly awful and evil to Turin and deserved everything he got aside from laying his filthy hands on the treasure of Nargothrond.

@leetaylor123 Жыл бұрын

Contrast Turin and Tuor’s story. Ulmo always knew the house of Hador would deliver the salvation of the Noldor but did he know it would be Tuor or Turin? For much of the story it could have been Turin, or Tuor but the decisions made by each (and the choices of the mothers) delivered them to their fate. This is very similar to JK Rowlings concept that the “Chosen One” spelled out in the prophecy could have been either Neville or Harry at one point. JK Rowling studied this material very closely indeed.

@michaelsmyth3935 Жыл бұрын

17:00 Turin had no hope of saving himself, let alone Mim. Mim ended up as he was as a direct result of being cheated, stolen from, and cast in to the wild by those precious Elves. Why is it just fine when the heroes are doing evil? Extortion through threats of physical violence, what a great bunch of guys.

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

I always thought they were a different species and the title of dwarf comes from those who have the lineage to the dwarven fathers that were created by Aulë and that had the breath of life from Eru… as the elves were mistaking the dwarves as the violent petty dwarves they met earlier before the dwarves and thought they were the same thing which is what lead them to indiscriminately hunt and kill any dwarves they saw before they knew the difference and by then the relations were already becoming rocky as the dwarves yet again felt persecuted as always.