I like TFLTruck, ... BUT I agree with you Navy. I hate wishwashy walking down the middle. Take a freaking stand!

TFL doesn’t want to damage their relationships with either company. They get a lot of perks from both Toyota and Chevy to advertise those vehicles

2017 4runner SR5 PREMIUM 4x4 0 issues and will outlast your motor by hundreds of thousands of miles unless you have the diesel engine.

Yawn ! Don't keep vehicles long enough for that . Your boring vehicle isn't in the same class as the ZR2. It wouldn't last 5 miles on my trails. Pick on something your own class . Like a frontier ha ha

John Parsons those Tacoma fanboys at the worst. They’re too funny

@@2011buddylee I've already heard of that, actually i've heard of that years ago but have wait to see it happen, till then keep rocking your Chevy.

Hey James, comparing 4runner, tacoma and ZR2 right now.. wondering what made you trade your tacoma in for the zr2? thanks!

@@Dan007UT When I bought the Tacoma I was living in So Cal, and it was perfect for the weather and terrain. I moved to Colorado in mid 2019 and quickly found that the Taco was a little iffy when driving in snowy and icy conditions especially as I was constantly slipping and sliding, even with 4x4 engaged. I had some aggressive all terrain tires, so I know it wasn’t that. Anyhow, because of this I started looking into heavier duty and more robust vehicles such as the Ford Raptor. Found one that I liked and was about to pull the trigger, but something kept telling me to give the ZR2 a try, so I did. The ZR2 was every bit as capable as the Raptor (in a much smaller package) which meant cheaper cost, greater ease of parking and trail running. Sure the interior isn’t as refined as the Raptor’s but it works for me and does excellent in snow, ice, mud, hard compact dirt, loose dirt etc. Being able to turn the traction control off, and setting it to off road mode really opens her up, and that was definitely something that couldn’t be done in the Toyota! The Tacoma was more akin to driving a car with a bed. The ZR2 feels as solid as a tank, and drives like a truck. Overall the ZR2 is just much more robust in all respects, and it’s no wonder it’s referred to as the baby Raptor!

@@jamesestrada82 thanks for the fast reply! yeah I just test drove the 4runner and tacoma and neither really impressed me a lot compared to my 15 Forester. I shall go find a ZR2 to test out!

@@Dan007UT No worries! Good luck!

How’s that zr2 diesel been holding up for you? Still running flawlessly? 🙏🏽

Easy solve. Just don’t have other keys attached to the ignition key

billy mc I agree with all of this which is why I recently got a 2020 Quicksand Tacoma TRD Off Road with adjustable driver’s seat, Apple CarPlay and keyless entry on the passenger’s side too now! I am very happy with my choice. The the ZR2 has certain advantages, but I just don’t like the body lines, god awful instrument cluster and shifter. Plus those low hanging rear shock mounts are unacceptable in an off-roader. Oh yea wax coated frames just seem ridiculous on a vehicle to me. I just got out of my 3 year Silverado lease and downsized to the Taco, because it is fun to drive!

Pech Michael & Christina but a stock 4 runner will be more off-road capable than your tires + lift Silverado. Which, after all, this video is about off roading, and not about silverados at all

Also your anecdotal evidence isn’t what invalidates an argument. Toyota’s can say they have been more reliable because In the JD power reliability studies since before 2000, have always had their truck in the top 5. Where’s as many times dodge and Chevy are at the bottom. I drive a Colorado, but you seem like you just want to validate what you own. When the Silverado will never be able to go as many place as the Zr2 or a 4Runner/Tacoma.

You must not go off-road often then. ZR2 is so much more capable

I agree. The Tacoma is a damn handsome truck IMHO. Love the body lines compared to the ZR2. Plus, the expensive shocks in the rear hang lower than the differential. Always see them hit rocks while off roading. Have to at least get the armor to protect them. But the ZR2 too is much quicker however, the 8 speed gear box isn’t the best. My Silverado would often clunk changing gears. Both are nice trucks!

You still have your zr2 and how it’s holding up? Diesel or gas?

Toyota sucks

@@danr3545 very deep and insightful comment. 🙄

We ourselves cannot predict reliability, like predicting interest rates. We leave such things to the experts.....like CR

They are relocating away f4om the unions as well.

Yet CR ranks the reliability of the Colorado HIGHER than the Tacoma. It probably hasn't helped that Toyota is busy moving production of the Tacoma from the US to Mexico. The majority of Tacoma's are made in Mexico today.

@@hochhaul I think they are running from the unions.

@@johnhaslett6714 Toyota has never been afraid of the unions before. They're pretty good at motivating their US workers to vote no to unionization.

Anything that you don't like about your zr2? Just something you want fixed or to be aware of

@@thebardock6785 Wish it could accept 33" tires without a body lift and wish there was a little more room in the interior. Other than that She is perfect.

I've had absolutely zero issues with my ZR2 diesel through 20K miles. Tons of guys on the Facebook ZR2 groups have had no issues.

@@2011buddyleeYes I bought it brand new. Yes the dealership took great care of me each and every time the stupid thing broke down. Got tired of going in and getting it repaired. After 17 documented trips to the dealership for repairs on a BRAND NEW vehicle I was through. Enough said.

@@quintili1 That's great for you, for the rest of us not so great. TONS of guys on the ZR2 website on FB are STILL having tons of problems. I know cause I am still in the group. Like I said, IF GM can work out the bugs (and I hope they will) I may consider getting the diesel next time. Then again maybe I will be smarter and just buy me a used Diesel and only use it when I need it. Peace.

GM=GARBAGE MACHINERY

I’ve had my 18 for 16k miles. Just over a year of ownership and mechanically I’ve had no issues. I had a weird b pillar rattle they fixed but other than that ny truck has been great. I know people had a transmission shudder issue but that was also resolved sooooo I guess u had a lemon. It happens.

Easy fix move it to the bed 🤷🏼‍♂️

Diesel engine will always outlast petrol engines.

I’ve had two ZR2’s, 2018 gas and a 2021 Diesel Bison. No issues on either truck in 4 years time.

Dylan Walker I think it’s butcher Jones in AZ

Balefulmoon yeah all you do is use just the key only. Put the fob in your glove box

my 2003 Colorado zr71 with 500k kilometers is still in amazing mechanical shape. it served in the desert for 200k and then towing for 300k still drives and performs.

It is to me, I love having the diesel.

Great point

Right ... Tacoma all the way

@@2011buddylee mine is 6+...will see how far i get. Closing in on 160 000 kms or 100 000 miles. So far it has been super reliable. Has yet to be towed even once.

Tom Davis diesel engines will outlast petrol engine yeah il take the chevy

Chad Warden Modern small high stresses high output Diesel engines is b light duty applications will not necessarily outlast gas engines. These are high strung endings nit you fathers low rpm steady low output diesels. Also GM has this habit of poor quality these days. You take that diesel. Between the higher initial cost and the higher maintenance costs you won’t gain a thing, sir

@tacomahnster exactly right - still at a year later.

4Runner’s are just expensive mall crawlers 😂😂

*poor

Never heard of it, wheres proof

If you actually knew anything about this topic you would know that the frame actually has zero issue under payload or for towing. The issue you are referring to has happened to ZR2's towing trailers offroad that exceeded the maximum value of what they should have been towing in terms of tongue weight. The issue was not the towing capacity which is rated at 5000lbs but the tongue weight exceeded what it should have, which when hitting a large bump at too high a speed, caused the frame to bend. This isn't even a design flaw. The frame is designed to bend that way in order to prevent the force from kicking the truck up under the rear axels which would cause the truck to literally go heels over head and flip. Any time you exert a force of that nature it has go go somewhere, SO you have a choice, flip the truck rear end over front or at least pop it up in the air majorly or the frame bends. If you look it up this has actually happened to multiple raptors and Tacomas as well. Your argument is flawed as is your logic and your knowledge base in this topic. Do a quick google search next time and read a bit before making dumb comments.

I love how I completely disproved the op in my other post and he has literally nothing to say back to it bc he’s a know nothing Toyota cry baby.

@@2011buddylee I have met so many people who have switched to Toyota. I remember a while back meeting a guy with a new Tundra. I asked him how he liked the Tundra. He told me it was great. I asked him if he owned any other trucks...told me had just gotten rid of his new Silverado for the Tundra. He said when he had to go back a 3rd time for same warranty issue...he said you can keep this crap. I would say for every 10 who love Toyota...maybe the 11th has a negative experience. I have met many people with different models of Toyota with 400 000, 500 000 kms on then. The brand builds cars like nobody else. I would say Honda is not far behind either.

And somehow all that tape on the Toyota DOESN’T look boyish ? Really ??

@@sking2173 yup - somehow it works. YMMV

Mr Bob resale value on the chevy is just as good

This generation ZR2 and diesel are too new to know what the resale is going to be like. Rest assured when you add up a few rack and pinions the Toyota is going to need over it's life time it will deffinently cut into any resale advantage. I put more rack and pinions in toyotas than all other brands combined.....

Once you own a Chevy, you never want to sell it, but toyota guys want to trade in after few years.. smh

Not quite.@Leon Flames

I own both Toyota and ZR2 no comparison ZR2 rules 15 Toyota 17 zr2 plan on trading Toyota for another 2020 ZR2

Chevy has Toyota beat there too with the 3.6L V-6 @ 308 HP/270 lb-ft stock, more with some basic mods.

This test wasn't about engines, the host stated that.

The gas zr2 has how much more hp? Lmao the trd still gets wrecked.

But does it have all the fancy bells and whistles.

Gave up on Toyotas. They are reliable but so bland. I prefer a more interesting car over reliability. Hopefully Toyota can put out more interesting products or I'm not buying from them.