Yes totally. Thanks brother 🙏

You're so right Brad ✅️ 😩

Sounds great Nick. 👍

They need to leave this company alone I feel

The Gretsch BroadKaster was a GUITAR. Same consumer target, same type of product. That could really lead to some mishaps when ordering. This case is the same as a guy named Ford making guitars and getting sued by the motor company.

@@velutumbra The Gretsch Broadkaster was the name of a drum set at that time. Also, the guy’s name isn’t Fender. A better metaphor would be me staring a truck company and naming it Mercedes Benz, and then acting surprised when I get sued just because Mercedes doesnt make trucks. He’s making a musical product and intentionally named his product something with the word Fender in it. Stupid decision, but he had the opportunity to change it when Fender contacted him and he chose not to.

@@dragoonphotography5847 Ok it was a druum set, but Gretsch was a guitar maker also. But Mercedes Benz does make trucks. That was not a good example. ALso, there was a car company called Bedford. Ford did not sue.

I think the story was that Gretsch sent Fender a letter (maybe a legal cease and desist or threatening legal action? I don't know) and Fender wrote back and said something like, "oh, sorry about that. Ok, we'll stop." And then Gretsch actually responded to that letter, thanking them and apologizing for the inconvenience.

Yes totally it makes them look like bullies

Thank you my brother I totally agree with you 🙏

Yes that is right but they could stop ✋️

Lol 😆

Yes they should support this company. Thanks Andrew 😊

Yes they should have objected at the start when they got the trade name. To late now.

You are spot on brother

I agree totally what you are saying I own a Jackson as well fender owns Jackson scratch and there's one or two more companies fender owns or distributes for you might as well say they own them that's why they got sued for overcharging those in the UK that's exactly what they get good for them I am sick of all these big corporations bullying folks too look at Gibson and what they're going through now because of the same thing fender play is garbage I signed up for a year and it only took me two days to figure out that it was I canceled the subscription and demanded my money back they're not worth it both Gibson and fender or have gotten really crappy and instead of concentrating on making a good product they're too busy with their hands and everything but ensuing anyone they can and getting away with it and it's not just guitar companies look at Rockstar games they're horrible too

@@kennethhoneycutt4513 yeah man, unfortunately it’s the new dominant business model. The pandemic forced a lot of people online to buy their stuff, EAPECIALLY overseas in AU and UK where the lockdowns were the worst. This incentivized the bigger companies that had the money to advertise into pushing monopolies. they started going after smaller companies and using platforms like Google, KZfaq, Facebook, Twitter etc. to basically snuff out the competition. I don’t mean just guitars either, I’m talking Amazon and other big companies. Since the media platforms control the narratives, they control visibility to customers, and the entire advertising world, the companies with the most money could silence smaller companies and take up all the visible space. If it wasn’t for independent people on KZfaq and Facebook, these smaller companies are oils t be able to afford a voice. Even though I’m not a huge fan of people shilling products and companies, I absolutely respect it and see the need for it. If it wasn’t for KZfaqrs exposing people to these brands, these smaller companies just wouldn’t survive. And as much as I hate to point it out, you can plainly see even KZfaq and Facebook be very biased against people who are independent, who do their thing without their help. I’m not sure how long things can sustain themselves how they are. It might take some time, but the larger companies are about to get a serious reality check. I think people are tired of being fed ads and having garbage shoved down their throats by big companies in media, music, entertainment, Hollywood… etc. If you take a second to actually pay attention, people are getting pissed, and they’ve had enough. 🤷‍♂️

I totally agree 👍

Lol 😆 yeah

Thanks my friend you rock

Thank my friend I'm fighting it hard brother

So true papa blue.

United Suing of American entrepeneurs, it seems.

Me too

Yes indeed you don't see them fighting the auto industry do you.

Bless you Alan

Is such a shame Antonia

Indeed Dale it's not right

Seems like it brother

I bet they will fight and win brother

Thank you very much

@@Chinaguitarsceptic you are more than welcome. I am in the process of starting my own guitar company I’m just taking things very slow. I’ve got four prototypes done and I’m working on another five.

@@wingerfan1 awesome brother

They need to stop mate

@@Chinaguitarsceptic Of course, can't help thinking this may not have too much to do with Fender as such. They well may have a 3rd party company looking after things like this. Saying that, this has been going on long enough, Fender should have told them to stop long ago

They registered the trade name and fender didn't object until much later

Wordplay Windy / Defender English is a second language to me and even I get that. Why Fender does not, well... Easy money, I guess.

I agree but they should have done it at the start not waited and then bullied.

They should stop ✋️

Totally agree 👍

I'm not sure that would get Fender off their back

Yes totally. Thank you I'm doing OK other than my speech my friend 🙂

Oh dear sorry to hear that my friend that sucks

I agree 👍

There's lots of alternatives these days Phillip 😊👍

@@Chinaguitarsceptic right on

I agree John

I think all the branding is done and would be impossible to change so I think they Writtle have to throw out their stock to change the name

@@Chinaguitarsceptic Hence the name "deflector"! Better to change the name, than lose the company forever because of legal fees, nothing is impossible!

I don't think Leo would have allowed this.

@@Chinaguitarsceptic Me either!

@@Chinaguitarsceptic Yeah, the Fender Corp. will never get another dime from me, even before this travesty.

You're so right Ray it's crazy isn't it?

OK I understand your point but wouldn't it be better if they let this one go as it is a totally different product with no link whatsoever.

​@@Chinaguitarsceptic Maybe. For me, I guess it would depend on what Fender is specifically requesting from Win-D-Fender. It's implied that they are asking for a name change, but we don't get any specifics (and it may not be prudent to share those given the legal situation). Fender could be asking for a bare-minimum remedy, but it doesn't sound like Win-D-Fender makes a whole lot of money to begin with (based on the fact that they don't pay their founders a salary) and it could be that even the smallest ask is a major burden for them. I'll say this as a general comment and not specific to this situation: given the problems with counterfeit products (something you know a thing or two about :D), I'm not really surprised that companies have seemingly gotten more aggressive with this sort of thing, even on marks or products that aren't attempting to be direct copies or seem related.

Yes it's a great device and they had the name

I agree buddy they seem to be bullies. I really didn't know that. 😕

They should give it up Christine for sure 😊👍

@@Chinaguitarsceptic Definitely 100%

Oh dear you're not into him?