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You can do all this with a Honda Civic.

I want to buy a new car and for me it’s between the 2019 Jeep Compass and the 2019 Jeep Cherokee. I will be traveling so I would like to get the 4x4 option. Which car do you think is the better option.

Please tell me you plan to upgrade that Cherokee and turn it into an off-road monster I would love to see a series on that

@@lfcbraga Exactly.... see my post....I like these vids....but these guys have never really been 'off roading'...

No most people think the new one is trash. Most people that actually owned a Real Jeep before. They aren't supposed to be "plush"

Shabeer Ali Nope! The old jeep looked like a jeep, not like all the other AWDs being rolled off the lines these days. I say this as a proud owner of a 2000 XJ! Lol

that doesnt sell anymore want a "real" jeep in 2018 just get the rubicon

I'm happy with my 98 XJ. A friend traded in his 2015 Cherokee because of too many transmission problems and it was ugly.

Same :\

Only a few years back they had several boxy models in the range which didn't sell well. If you want old school get a Wrangler otherwise you have to move with the times.

army man it’s more like a box or a rectangle

@@fiveowaf454 Yes and those boxy models looked like sh*t. Look at the new Suzuki Jimny - that's how you do "boxy" in todays times. You could easily do that with a new model of the Jeep XJ.

That part of why I bought a commander

General Ripper i love my boxy Jeep Liberty 2010

I'd be afraid of breaking the new one and getting myself stranded. I tend to drive a lot more enthusiastically than they did.

That's because you don't have the money to waste on the new one and create trail damage. There are people that can afford it and aren't afraid to drive it like it was made to be driven

Why

There 3 grand tho

The old xj can take a bit more of a beating than the kl

Yes!!

That and it is easier and cheaper to build into a true trail rig.

Effing eh rights bud! Giver sh*t! Personal experience tells me: 90% of the time your good to go 7% of the time, yeah you get stuck but you'll get out by yourself 3% of the time, yah, maybe a tow. Maybe the winch.. maybe both.. just depends on how much fun you where having 🤣😂🤣

Or even 2 years

Brendan Wright 🙄 older isn’t tougher

Yeah it’s fiat , will break down in 3-4 years guaranteed

Joe Stacks old tech is not more reliable. I’m 40 and I’m telling you it’s not. Using a Range Rover as an example is terrible.

LOL

@Mr. Tbag Jesus could you cry and complain anymore. The 3.2 Pentstar is a good and reliable engine. The car will be dust before the engine dies. Those Pentastars can easily do 350,000 Miles before any serious issues.

Ouch, who hurt you as a kid.

My DADDY Touched me......I am just sick you idiots making irreverent statements like the one you just did. It won't last as long as an engine that would never be allowed by the EPA to be made today and has less horsepower, is nosier, consumes more gas and doesn't run as smooth. Plus like I stated with today's high tolerances in engines the Pentastar has been around for a long time now and has proven to be reliable and will out live the car. So what does it matter if it won't theoretically last as long as the old Inline 6? You know how many old timers say this with ever car engine from 25 years ago.

Its a strait or inline 6 not incline.

@@markc6207 Hey Mark before you make derogatory comments that end up making you look silly, maybe you ought to carefully read over people comments next time seeing as you have the intelligence of a Liberal commie Hilary voter. I will give you a hint since you fail in the comprehension department. When I referenced the EPA that was in regards to explaining why the Automotive industry has been forced to using smaller displacment engines to the pint of many manufasctuers using Inline4's with turbo's. Thus, how could the AMC line 6 be used today when it will never even come close to passing the EPA standards. Sorry that I didn't make up the rules.

I have one, is powerfull

I just got a 2002 WJ Grand Cherokee with the 4.0L and it's great!

You think the 1999 was the best year ?

Love my '95

SAME! i got 390,000km on mine and she runs like new. Take care of them, cause they aint making any more!

As someone who owns the old one and is looking at buying the new one, that pocket money will quickly go away with gas if you intend on driveing any real distance.

Or some manual locking hubs...

One of my favorite things about my 88 Toyota pickup is it's not covered in cameras like all the new cars

My 92 Cherokee has no computer in the cabin and no OnStar. I am in complete control and I can trust my own vehicle.

Good point!

You related to Alex Jones?

Oh yah.

yep

mboiko getsome 33s and a lift on that thing

the problem is the kid driving

Tomowenazin No 34s with a 5 inch lift kit.

yeah should have used comparable tires.

You can't fix stupidity 😮

In their defense they are what the car would have come with. I think it is fair to run what the manufacturer spect'ed in the first place. You are right that tires are the first upgrade to any vehicle. My FJ Cruiser on stock tires would not have done much better than the Cherokee Classic did. I'm guessing my off road traction control would have helped a bit and I've got a stock locker in the rear. But over all the tires would have been very limiting.

They both had similar tires

Would have been much easier if he just used a little more throttle in the first place

@@EthosAtheos true but a straight 2019 Cherokee would have been a more fair comparison. This one is a Trailhawk with lockers.

All day. I've done trails like that in a Liberty without engaging 4WD.

I've driven a 95 Buick lesabre through worse shit than that. These guys are obviously enthusiastic amateurs.

right i have a 4.5” lift and 33” Patagonia’s on my XJ and lockers all around but i only need 2 high to get through most the trails i have around me

@@revwroth3698 no you haven't.

@@silversonic99 oh yes I have. Many times, in fact. That's the reality of living where I live.

The new Jeep is better

@@matthewrowley9679 in fuel economy and safety, yes. In nearly every other area... Not so much.

@@USAFJUNKIE what about luxury, I'm pretty sure it's better

New Jeep comes in FWD you can't near that. The old jeeps were death traps. Top heavy and rolled over like nothing

Huge dislike to Old jeeps

Laughed my ass off.

Yeah, that was quite laughable :-)

"water crossing"

My wifes crv would have no problem on this trail... What kind of test was this?

I've seen driveways that were that " challenging"

i also have a 95,96 xj but my 95 is a parts donor for the 96.

I have a 2003 Jeep Liberty 3.7 with 260,000 all orig. miles (works great) and will say this; getting rid of the ORIGINAL Cherokee and the 4.0L engine was a HUGE mistake.

I've got a 91 cherokee with command-trac I've been daily driving it and beating on it in the hills for 5 years and almost 100k miles just since Ive owned it. Now it's got 252k

I have the NP242 with fulltime 4WD and she drives great

I had an '88 with the NP242, then later a '97 with the Up-country package (skid plates, etc). I don't think there's anything cheaper to throw a 3" lift on out there. So much clearance and such a tight turning radius.

One main issue I never liked were those stupid plastic expansion bottles for the cooling system. The older ones split fairly easily.

Very true my husbands will never die!!

Keep living in the past grandpa

@@ADunc10 how long do you think Fiats last?

@@goosejuice8057 I've heard they break apart easily since the quality went down

Doesn’t change the fact that today’s engines and powertrains last longer than ever.

The weather isn't nasty until everything is foot-deep mud. :D

Did you notice the snowflake strike the right lense of his glasses?........DISASTER!!!

Did you notice the snowflake strike the right lense of his glasses?........DISASTER!!!

😅😅😅

@ You are right. It is also great at picking the kids up a soccer and grabbing groceries.

FCA split the Cherokee. They are testing the smaller fiat 500 4x4 is a jeep shell. The grand Cherokee resembles its predecessor.

:) They truly are terrible.

Just about to comment that

I'm sorry but Roman is pretty bad at off roading... Not sure how I'd do but watching him hit high point of rock right in the middle of the trailhawk is just so bad... Even I know you have to put your wheel over the rock not your oil pan

@@23dunmc yes

@@dougsfan9984 I'm pretty sure they decided to go down the middle knowing full well they would scrape. It's not really offroading if you avoid the obstacles.

Here is their best off road test to date. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b7JhrJOElc3He6M.html

Trust me, we have good trails. Even Cow Mountain OHV has decent stuff. These guys didn't go on anything remotely challenging. Although I think this is Colorado.

Colorado is in the West, but definitely not west coast.

You do realize the PNW is on the West coast right? We probably get more rain and mud than nearly the remainder of the continent. The west coast isn't just arid California.

Get that new one in water about 3ft deeper and see how the electronics hold up

Omg your right hahahaha

The standard joke is "Mall Rated"

Lmfao,indeed

I would still buy one

Matthew Rowley jeep or coffee

@@zelenizub2036 the Jeep, I hate coffee

That's exactly what my thoughts are.

I agree I have 3 Cherokees an 85 with the 2.8 v6 on 33" mt Baja claws a 93 on 31" bfg a/t's and a 98 on 235 bfg a/ts. My 85 has been to Black mountain in Kentucky and bumpus cove in Cherokee national Forest. I don't have any lockers on any of them. The 85 has a factory limited slip. And an np242 transfer case and I feared down to 4.11s from the stock 3.73s. I've been in places that I'm pretty sure have left brown stains afterwards. But it's also driving style. If you're on stock height with street tires you don't creep you've got to have momentum to get over some spots. I'd like to have a go with that trail hawk compared to my stock height 98 with the a/ts.

They are doing a full stock comparison

Yeah he did

He legit made the comment that low range was good. Albeit it didn't really need it

Eric Black True facts.

Eric Black Fiat Campagnola ar76/1107a is still today one of the best off road ever made

And what is the new Cherokee a rebadge of that Fiat has or had? I highly respect AMC Jeeps but for what makes sense in today's N. American marketplace, this vehicle does pretty well. How many true competitors does the Cherokee Trailhawk have? A heavy off-roader isn't going to get this type of vehicle anyhow, just as back then one would more likely opt for a CJ... and a used one, not brand-new.

I actually own/wheel both an old and new Cherokee. Old one didn't catch up to the new till I locked and regeared it. Old one sure wouldn't do this stock: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nK15jcahmt7IZIE.html

Not in any crash test.

You should see the XJs on Instagram. I thought my build was clean and the other jeeps on there make me embarrassed. IG - #xjstormtrooper

jangus booyah haha with all the electronic thingymajigs. Liked the xj more

When he climb the hill it look like is not in 4lo 😂

yeah hes a kid

That's what happens when you let 2 yuppies "off road"

Why?

Cale Roper the new one is borrowed from a dealership or Jeep directly, and the old one has to last them and if you can avoid banging it up, then that takes real patience and knowledge. Driving your car off road and making it out with your paint and bodywork looking the same is something that is worth respect not hate.

Cale Roper They could take a lesson from the boys in the war, they knew how to catch a little air! Lol

I agree

That's how you are supposed to drive station wagons.

Exactly!

LOL nailed it !

You're an idiot

Like the Landcruiser

Alejandro Ivan Garibay Yes, yes you are.

If you think the technology and equipment for off-roading hasn't gotten better, then you really must not 4x4 often?

I think they already did the one with the old and new wrangler.

I run the STT Pros on my XJ and they are tops.

Michael Fahy me too! I like old school!

me neither. I don't have a cherokee but have a 1995 Wrangler

I like the new body jeep liberty, I have a 2010 and it's nice imo, plus they call it a Cherokee kk everywhere else besides US

I agree. Those new Cherokees are fugly!

but who asked you

Mario Cruz Love my Up Country XJ

There Boulder County people. Nerds!

But think about the percentage of XJs that have been modified vs the percentage of new ones that have mods...plus, I'd argue that the Trailhawk package is a factory mod (at least in this scenario). A true comparison would be a sport vs sport. I personally would love to see them add an inch lift and rear locker to that XJ so it has similar upgrades.

USAFJUNKIE I don’t think a sport vs sport would be a true comparison. When trim levels change, you have to find equivalence. If they’re both the top of the line for their era, then that’s a correct comparison.

you really cant compare that untill the new one has age on it. When they first came out the old ones werent modified like they are now.

I wouldn't consider tires a mod really, not even entirely sure what tires came from the factory.

Tucker Garcia If you’re going to go off of that logic then, the Laredo wouldn’t have even been the the top model for 1991. That would be the Briarwood and the Trailhawk is not the top of the line 2019 model. That being said, a Limited Slip Differential was optional in 1991 and the XJ should have that for comparisons sake.

Jack C but it does tho

yup, its seriously not watching the channel when it concerns anything "off road" unless for a laugh, their renegade review was kinda funny

I guess you don’t watch the channel very much.

Dude... have you even seen their other videos?

I watched more of their stuff... If you think these guys know what off-roading is, you probably live in a city and/or you think that driving through puddles on dirt roads is off-roading.

So don't watch the channel?

@@Stackali and you can add a lift kit to the new one.

that's where FCA lost it..by going to independent suspension to make the Car&Driver crowd happy they removed the ability to mod. For a grand and a weekend of wrenching the XJ goes from a decent off-roader to a vehicle that would best that Discovery

True, the XJ has much more potential when it comes to mods. You can put rock rails on a KL and lift it a few inches, but that is about it. However, the vast vast majority of people who buy jeeps spend almost all of their time on pavement and don't do even moderate off-roading. The modern customer wants a smooth ride, good handling, and better gas mileage. Jeep had to deliver on those specs or they would have continued to loose market shares and just be a one trick pony.

@J Dennison it's actually were you lost it not FCA. It's called a bloody CROSSOVER, Not a Wrangler. Maybe you ought to read what a crossover is. Also show me another crossover more off road capable than the KL Trail Hawk. It would seem FCA does in fact know what they are doing in regards to targeting there market share. The people that buy these demand independent suspension for on road driving which consists of 90% of it's use.

No question it's a grocery getter now. Also no question it's the most capable vehicle in it's class. You are right though. I stopped being a Cherokee customer when it became a crossover and stopped being a Sport Utility vehicle. I agree that FCA saw the market share being higher selling to those that are buying Chevy Equinox or Ford Escape and hoping for a bit more than an all-wheel-drive car. The Trail Hawk is impressive in its off road competence. That being said, it is inferior in its off-road prowess to anything with live axles. That includes the XJ and the Wrangler. Give me an XJ with no swaybars and I will beat a trailhawk on an off-camber climb any day of the week. I would not, however beat the Trailhawk in road manners, fuel economy, or comfort. The XJ is a pig on the highway when it comes to handling. For most folks, this means the KL is a far better vehicle than even the Liberty was, let alone the XJ.

You miss point. These old boys don't off road full time, just testing these two Jeeps.

I'd like to see their reaction to trialling xD

Ive driven my wifes saturn sl1 through worse shit than this

Yeahh but they don't own most of the vehicles they test so even if they want they can't do hard-core stuff

Taka Yama they have a whole channel for pretty much only off-roading lol they have done tons of vehicles off road

Richard Reyes yea I saw it

Actually unless turned on manually, they turn on based on what direction the wheel is turned. Left turn=left light on, right turn=right light on. Less than actually useful, but nonetheless working perfectly fine and how they’re meant to. Alot of newer cars and suvs have this feature. Pay attention in the video and you can notice it.

I did notice it seemed like only one was on at a time, and seemed to be turning on and off. Thanks for the explanation.

Bret Hebert As do the mechanics of the older vehicles.

All components are prone to failure. And that’s coming from an engineer

@@TGears314 very understandable

@@KZSoze atleast you can fix that without talking to 15 different computers.

Waterloo123100, I get your argument but you're being way too general. One of the most tech heavy cars on the market, the Prius, is going on two decades, and is consistently at the top of reliability and longevity. Now, would it be fun to have to repair that tech.. of course not. But this fear is largely unfounded, unless you take specific models with specific problems. Of course at the end of the day, I'm not trusting a Chrysler product, but that's just me.

With the old ones one can use much more momentum and "gunning it" when needed. Try that in a new SUV and the T/C will brake the spinning wheels so badly that momentum will be killed - even when T/C is turned "off" (which we all know is a practical joke)

@@SulCoCrazy I know traction control can be useless in snow, it limits the throttle.

@@SulCoCrazy gunning it is a good way to break something. New vehicles have way more power - the old 4x4s don't have enough grunt to break things.

@@T4nkcommander I also love how in all these old vs new comparisons they'll bring the full off road package version with off road rated tires and compare to a base model with no limited slip and highway tires to compare against, and even then just barely beat the old model off road.

Wake up and welcome to the new era of cars. They are all jam packed with tech I mean go look at any modern BMW SUV thing is more complicated than a F-22A fighter jet.

To me it honestly looks nice. It's a great grocery getter. Plus, it can handle a few dirt roads, and head up to a camp site or the ski resort. It's a very comfortable ride as well. The XJ is ancient.

Calling it an SUV is like calling a hipster a man. You might be technically right but we all know you are wrong. That's a cute ute crossover designed to compete with Subaru.

I just realized that they called the Landrover a recovery vehicle because of the constant need to have it recovered .

A couple hundred bucks and a couple of quarts of gear oil and a couple of hours on a Saturday. That would turn it into an off road beast. Put real tires on and it can damn near go anywhere! Love the Cherokees.

Install a Spartan in the back and add swaybar disconnects on the front, and prepare yourself to be amazed! Look on Amazon for the locker, or check out Quick Performance. It is hands down the best money spent for what it adds in capability. I like mine so good in the rear, I installed one in the front as well.

Depends, do you drive the jeep on the highway in the snow? If so just put bigger tires on it or a real locker. A "lunchbox" locker where as yes it will be great offroad will likely kill you the first time you loose traction on the highway at speed in the snow. Especially if you have never used them before.

A quick Daystar lift would make a huge difference.

Cant lift ifs very much before your CV axles start tearing themselves apart. No problem for the older Cherokee's with the solid axle. Is there a place for the new one. I have to say yes. But comparing 20 some years in advance technology doesnt seem any better than camparing it to a computer 20 years ago. The performance is obviously better

@@keeganlayes5903 Daystar has up to a 4" lift. That's the limit.