Old Xeon vs New i5... FIGHT

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@SilentDecode 2 жыл бұрын

I like how you do stuff with old Xeons. One of the few KZfaqrs that does that. I really like it! I'm a homelabber too, upgrading to an Dell R730 with a single E5-2650v4 soon :)

@ingusmant Жыл бұрын

Single? Were you planning to get a dual motherboard?

@SilentDecode Жыл бұрын

@@ingusmant it's..... A server... It has dual sockets as standard... Duh!

@clockwork1513 Жыл бұрын

Currently using a 2696 v3 with the turbo unlock mod. Works well

@clockwork1513 Жыл бұрын

@BMG Ghost AliExpress has a few mb that will do the job.

@clockwork1513 Жыл бұрын

@BMG Ghost I guess some sellers could do that just like eBay I guess, but I've been ordering through AliExpress for years now and have yet to have a bad experience 👍

@philscomputerlab 2 жыл бұрын

Turbo unlock is totally fine, it's the highlight of that platform and one reason to get it. Performance of these Xeon systems is good enough for most tasks, with ecc RAM and heaps of PCIe lanes the nice advantages.

@wheisenberg559 Жыл бұрын

And it supports Bifurcation, which can be used for some nice storage shenanigans.

@drexter09 Жыл бұрын

May i ask what is ecc memory and what is for? Can i use standard rams on xeons

@dexplacid431 Жыл бұрын

@@drexter09 yes you can.Ecc memory is used on servers and has an additional memory module that checks if the info in all other memory banks goes without mistakes. (Or something like that) For example, I ran E5-2670v3 with 16 gigs of desktop ddr4 memory. But this cpu can also work with server memory too, without any problems. The most important aspect here is to avoid mixing the memory. Because ECC and standard desktop memory won't work together at the same time.

@kellyoneal5498 9 ай бұрын

Also, the MB must support the ECC ram... There are several kinds of ECC (ECC, ECC-reg, different voltages) with different specs- the Xeon chip itself will handle any just fine, but some mobos are finicky about some. Also can't mix different ECC types at once

@simeonjohnston5941 2 жыл бұрын

Currently running a E5-2667 V4 on an X99 board, basically the same as the E5-1660 V4, but with 5mb more cache and 5W less TDP. Paired with a GTX 1070 it's running everything I need just fine.

@budczus 10 ай бұрын

Funny you say that, i'm using xeon 1270v2 with gtx 1660super and i'm playing everything (20.08.2023) Not the highest settings but high steady 60fps. The only game that told go fuck myself was Uncharted (due to lack of support) and Cyberpunk which still runs but only in high 40-50s. Some people are still sleeping on these cpu's.

@vamoneygroup 2 ай бұрын

Emulation?

@ExynosBomba 15 күн бұрын

Bro, the 1660 v4 qk3s takes 4.6Ghz and 3200mhz with xmp 2.0, so it has a performance very similar to the 5600x

@tomazzaman Жыл бұрын

Old Xeons rule, I use them in my homelab as well. Really cost effective! Unrelated: please present data in charts and put a semi transparent background. These numbers are hard to read in the current format and the font choice doesn’t help either.

@fierce134 2 жыл бұрын

Jeff, I'm absolutely loving the attitude and swagger in this video! Keep it up

@mikescomputercorner1204 Жыл бұрын

I love your dedication to what older machines are capable of ..keep up the great reviews

@marcosoliveira8731 Жыл бұрын

Your videos have guided most of my decisions to buy xeons to build my lab. I´am pretty happy with the results!

@sepheronx 2 жыл бұрын

These older Xeons are fantastic for gaming. What also helps is Quad Channel Memory controllers.

@geort45 2 жыл бұрын

They're good. But they shine in multithreaded apps. I used to build my pcs with xeon ES processors, or the rare super cheap full release xeon when they were old enough, always great bang for the buck.

@vannhantran547 11 ай бұрын

@@geort45what’s the specs of your rig?

@josephkelly4893 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video, thanks for the work. Reminds me of my daily drivers. My three systems are : 12th gen intel, only rocking 12100f but its a z690 mobo and ddr5 so i can upgrade to a bigger chip when Raptor Lake hits. The single thread performance is amazing. My workstation is a x79 2697v2 12 core and ASUS Rampage IV, good little BCLK combo. Amazing how stable and smooth this system is, ECC memory in quad channel is superb. And i still love my little 2600k z77 setup, SLI gtx960s, fun little overclocking practice system, and for an 11year old chip, still plays everything. Plus the whole sytem cost about 350aud in parts.

@gamesandsoftwares1441 2 жыл бұрын

the only guy that i dont skip his ads , keep it up champ easily my fav tech chanel thanks for all the info you gave us over the years

@zeron851 2 жыл бұрын

I'd be interested in these tests on old Epyc chips as well. I've had pretty good experiences with chips like the 7401P or the 7601, and the CPUs themselves are only around ~$300 at this point which is pretty crazy considering the core counts on offer.

@CraftComputing 2 жыл бұрын

One of my servers is running an Epyc 7601. It definitely holds up as well, or even better, than these V3 and V4 Xeons.

@derstreit 2 жыл бұрын

@@CraftComputing Rome is finally getting payable. Got a Epyc7282 on a Supermicro H11SSL-i for 650€. Add 300€ for 128GB DDR4-2666 ECC Reg and i now have a nice proxmox server with all the PCIe lanes XD.

@ra1d3r34 Жыл бұрын

Nice review. You just saved me from performing this experiment myself. Thanks a lot !!!

@nickdolin393 5 ай бұрын

Love the channel and the love for old xeons. Rocking a 2697A v4 and 5500xt, it's about a $250 build, games as well as I want.

@Nelevita 2 жыл бұрын

Jeff have you Disabled the Specter & Meltdown Patches in Windows for the old Xeons or not ? They hit these old Xeons quite hard for no real reasons like Gaming and as a Workstation.

@stephen1r2 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely; This is a must for using Xeon for gaming and production. Unless it's a server the mitigations make no sense.

@CraftComputing 2 жыл бұрын

I tested in Windows 11, where the patches are part of the kernel. I don't think you can disable them. But you are correct, speculative execution is only a vulnerability in VM environments.

@brycetorian 2 жыл бұрын

Realistically though, esp with win11, people aren't going to disable it. So benchmarks are relatable to "real world" use for majority of users.

@stephen1r2 2 жыл бұрын

@@CraftComputing The GRC InSpectre tool seems to identify affected models and apply a registry setting to disable the mitigations. But I can only verify Win10 success an HP Z-420 w/1650v2 and an ASRock epc602 w/2x2670v1

@thebigdavester 2 жыл бұрын

@@stephen1r2 THANK YOU!

@joshuanine7690 Жыл бұрын

This is awesome to hear because wheni get a chance I want to build my own old pc for something useful like running code or not sure as of just yet

@greenprotag 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent ^_^ The higher resolutions like 1440p and 4k REALLY level the playing field, shifting the load to the GPU. A uniquely suited use case for an old V3/V4 Xeon might be an HTPC. Hook to an old 60Hz 4k TV, lock the FPS, and use the PCIE Lanes for some super fast IO like storage controllers for a NAS/ Media library, Faster network controllers, a spare old Quadro for video encoding etc. That being said, there are "middle of the road" options between these new 12th gens and the old Xeons. Enter, the used Ryzen. 3700x and 3900x are coming way down and would provide a price/$ balance between these two offerings. Let's say you play at 1080p high refresh (120FPS+), are on a budget, you still need multithread for other workloads, and the Xeon just can't push about 100FPS in your favorite game. A 3000 or 5000 series ryzen with cheap B450 or B550 could be looking spicy ^_^

@lexluthermiester 2 жыл бұрын

@Craft Computing "Physics drink!" Just awesome! I'm not a beer drinker, but I'm going to have to try one of these!

@Beehj84 Жыл бұрын

Hey Jeff - cool video, and I affirm your justification for parts choices being realistic purchase options (as opposed to using a 3090ti). A quick request - could you perhaps add less transparent backdrop to presenting your benchmark results with some way of delineating rows and columns clearly, perhaps shrinking it slightly relative to the screen size so they're contained within a more clear modal? Having them run over the top of the moving video with changing colours behind etc makes it hard to read and starts to induce a headache a little bit, and the quality is quite juxtaposed compared to your high-quality set and backdrop when you're on screen.

@judman13 2 жыл бұрын

Would have loved to see some transcode numbers thrown out since you mentioned at at the end. Thanks for the comparison!

@CraftComputing 2 жыл бұрын

Transcode would come down to GPU performance if you're talking about NVENC. For codecs that Intel QuickSync supports, that feature is only available on 7th Gen and newer CPUs, so it's not present on v3 or v4 CPUs. Transcode software performance is going to be similar to the MT scores from Cinebench R32, with the 12600K taking a huge win.

@kesamek8537 11 ай бұрын

Excellent video thank you.

@xgeko2 2 жыл бұрын

I think this video was awesome would you mind doing a quick follow up of the xeons stock vs an overclock at the maximum speed they can run?

@Deadflame96 Жыл бұрын

I recently did a build for a friend with a Z440 e5 1660 v4 32gb of RAM and paired it with an RX 6800 XT. It runs games just as good as my Alienware R12 with an 11400f and RTX 3070. Only thing I think you should've mentioned in this video is if you want to change the PSU in the Z440 you need an adapter or you have to manually pin out the 24 pin connector

@SP-ny1fk 2 жыл бұрын

Seems like most people these days could have a combined gaming and server machine - even streaming gaming through VMs with GPU pass-through. Very interesting, thank you for this valuable testing

@nowherebrain Жыл бұрын

I like that you are talking transfers for memory.

@Lighthouse_out_of_order 2 жыл бұрын

One of the most interesting vids I watched for the past month. Still, I'd invest more to have a rig that will perform good on future games for 2-3 years ahead.

@-FOXX Жыл бұрын

My God you're ruthless :) I love it

@aymanelzain1271 Жыл бұрын

The new games can take advantage of more number of core, and that will make the old xeon Processors a really good value for budget gamers, I have xeon e5 2650 v2, I bought it with 16gb of ddr3 ram and x79 motherboard for under 100 dollars and i run them with rx6600 at 2k resolution, the experience is very good specially with DX12 and Vulkan games

@glaassassin5176 2 жыл бұрын

I have a X79 1680 v2 xeon system use it for gaming and video editing but learned that I need more lanes on a next build 20-24 is to low. This was a budget build and am glad to have went with the x79 platform lasted me many years however newer titles running AVX2 are starting to show age of the system. X99 or X299 is my upgrade path for sure Great video cheers 🍻

@jb678901 Жыл бұрын

I did the same about 16 months ago, from X79/1680v2/8x4GB DDR3 to x99 ($99)/2678v3($85)/4x8GB DDR3. Very nice upgrade, IMO. Then, when XEON prices dropped I upgraded to E5-2696v3 ($45) and 4x8GB DDR4 ($66); sold off the 2678v3 and DDR3 to get the upgrade for net $16. BIG upgrade with the 2696v3 (w/turbo unlock, of course). Will now upgrade from GTX1080Ti to RTX 2080Ti ($220)...about the only upgrade left for this system. Current setup: Huananzhi X99TF (ver.1) [BIOS TU w/Mi899 tool] E5-2696v3 [18C/36T, max turbo 3.8GHz, 145W TDP, DDR3 or DDR4 compatible; all core 3.2 Ghz, up to ~8 cores at 3.8, up to ~14 cores at 3.5] 4x8GB DDR4 3000 Corsair Vengeance GTX1080Ti (undervolted) For the money, a very capable platform.

@Lucas-qb8uz 9 ай бұрын

@@jb678901 your Xeon runs maximal ddr4 2133 mhz

@SHEARMANDESIGN 2 жыл бұрын

I was waiting to see that beer after you mentioned it on Talking Heads 😁 THHIICCCC

@rmgaminguk7079 Жыл бұрын

I love this video, most tech videos do not consider older (particularly 2nd hand parts). However I think you should have included some lower end modern parts. For budget it would be nice to compare a 2nd hand i3-10105F with 2666mhz ram, and a B560 motherboard (to allow better upgrade path to 11th gen). Then as a new build alternative an i5-12400F with 3200mhz ddr4 ram. I think these will have a cost price much closer to the xeon, and have a gaming performance very close to the stock i5-12600k. I think these are much better alternatives to someone considering buying an xeon. More videos like this would be greatly appreciated.

@stewartanderson6433 6 ай бұрын

Like how even though you probably only built the test bench i5 build for the video it still looks so tasteful and clean

@dtzarb Жыл бұрын

You are an inspiration!! I just pulled the trigger on most of the core build of the z440. Is there any reason why a 6700 XT would be problematic with this build?

@xbigbobsagetx Жыл бұрын

I have a Xeon 1650 on a z420 tower. Threw in 32 gb of qaud channel ddr3, a ssd drive and a 1060 6gb and it handles every game I throw at it very well.

@ahmeddeghady4510 Жыл бұрын

Hi mate, thanks for the content! I'm interested in old used xeons for productivity only, no gaming. Can't find any modern benchmarks for these guys so I'm hestiant either to get one and take the risk or just invest in a new cpu at higher cost. Trying to assemble a home server, and folks at reddit r/homeserver told me even an i7-4770 would beat an e5-2650 v4 since it's an ancient processor, which left me confused and doubtful. Would you be making any video soon covering the productivity aspect of these old processors? Thanks!

@livemadseason Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I wanted to build new PC but I got old Dell precision with Xeon v4 and 32GB RAM for 300usd, threw 3070 in it - no regrets, works like a charm. And it even has cast aluminium handles, show me this feature on any other case on the market 😀

@trustes89 2 жыл бұрын

waaaaaow.... this was a very nice and informative video

@RobMcFlash Жыл бұрын

I got a system with a Xeon E5 2670V3 (12 core/24threads) with 16gb ram in Quadchannel(2400mts). Still very capable for almost anything that requires many cores.

@paulbrooks4395 Жыл бұрын

Just a note: it really depends on the game. Games with simulation often use a single thread as the master. Essentially, any time frame delivery or pacing depends on CPU, there will be slow downs or stutters. Unfortunately, these issues are just plain hard to pin to titles. For the large majority of games, these CPUs are okay, but for complex RTS/sims, and some VR titles, I would avoid anything with low single thread performance.

2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see the xeons compared to something like used ryzen 1600af with ECC capable motherboard as well.

@trogdorr Жыл бұрын

@CraftComputing Can you send a link to the BIOS mod you used for the Z440?

@gadgetman_nz4092 2 жыл бұрын

I'm running a number of Xeon machines. Such good value. Could do with some better graphics cards which should be coming on the market here at better value shortly. Running a couple of E5-2640 V4's, an E5-2650 V3 with 64GB (because I got a stunning deal on the memory) and a couple of others.

@folop86 2 жыл бұрын

how did you do the turbo boost mod on the z440?

@Vypros19 2 жыл бұрын

A friend of mine have been using a old xeon with one chinese machinist mobo and 16gb of ddr3 memory as a daily driver and boy he's super happy with the performance he's getting with his PC.

@1morphector1 2 жыл бұрын

Thx buddy for your z440 suggestion, after your last video about these I ordered one on ebay that came with a crappy cpu, 32gb of ramand a 256gb ssd for 160$can delivered... Ordered a 2666v3 from aliexpress for 40$can... I don't think I could find any better for 200$cad...

@diano5255 2 жыл бұрын

great video (i know it without even have watched it completely for now)

@scottchapman4932 Жыл бұрын

Could you add Graphs of the numbers in the future? This will help when looking at a dozen numbers on the screen for 8 seconds...

@juanpablo-vn1xo 2 жыл бұрын

I built my kids a gaming system each, using older intel and amd cpu's with a gtx980 founders, 32gig of 2300ram and ssd... They play games all the time and it works absolutely fine... Minecraft, overwatch, fortnight all work great and they have a brilliant time... Systems cost me very little, being old servers I didn't need anymore..you don't need the latest and greatest cpu in order to play the modern titles... As long as you gauge your expectations accordingly..so good job with this review and I see exactly where you are coming from.. 👍👍

@nicholaswjamrock 2 жыл бұрын

I remember when playing games and getting 30fps meant you had a top of the line system

@mengshilim7364 Жыл бұрын

Where to get the turbo unlock bios for the Z440? Anyway, there is no point with the v4....

@augold1681 6 ай бұрын

I am a little confused. I think that the Brodawell (v4) e5-26xx chips can't be unlocked and all the 16xx chips can go max on all cores..."turbo unlockled" within the TDP limitation (or maybe just the Haswell and Broadwell). I think if you tried to run a Broadwell with the turbo unlock microcode it wouldn't run... but I may be mistaken.

@christianshull379 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Geoff I'm about to get a Z440 2683 v4 16core xeon I'm hoping to upgrade the truenas 4790k I built with old parts. It's coming with 64gb of ddr4 ram not sure if it's ecc yet I'm pretty excited should be here the 25th. Do you have any advice migrating the 4x8tb drives I'm going to just go into settings and upload my last saved settings. Also I've got two nic's to try ones hp 10gbe dual or a dell version. When trying it on the 4790k both gave troubles. Thank you for making your great videos. P.s.s. could you make an updated video on getting truenas scale and plex with an nvidia card like the 3060 for hardware decoding.

@yasirrakhurrafat1142 2 жыл бұрын

Hey ! I'm commenting . Not too knowledgeable in terms of what to look for in hardware yet . But can I recommend a metric of benchmarking that's very overlooked ? As in a past few days I've noticed a trend between games scaling differently in utilization with different processors . A weird realization , but seems kinda relevant after I discovered your videos on hyper-v and gpu splitting . If you see this comment , and want to know . I'll elaborate further . This comment is already too long .

@scupking Жыл бұрын

Thinking of picking up a Z440 E5-1650V4. I currently have an i5 2500k at 4.5ghz, 32gb of ram, ssd and rx 6650 xt. Would i notice a big difference in performance?

@camofelix 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting would be at a given price point, what can you do one way or the other?

@nathanscarlett4772 2 жыл бұрын

That 2nd pour looked like liquid chocolate cake

@liorbarnur7947 2 жыл бұрын

Im still rockin a x5675 z600 Could you plz do a video on scalable xeon lga 3647 based system? Wanted to know how bad would it be taking such a system like the hp z6 (since i have a 6150 and 256gb of ecc ddr4 already in hand)

@MatthewTillman Жыл бұрын

I just built a new home box using a pair of Xeon Gold 6150 golds... It's a beast. I love it.

@danzirulez 2 жыл бұрын

haha, nice one... best segway ever man!!! :)

@johnnyxp64 Жыл бұрын

Still rocking a 20/40 dual older xeon cpus in a hyoer-V server for applications and it even games. I build this without the GPU cost, 380usd and was influenced because of one of your x99 Chinese motherboard videos.

@TheLukemcdaniel 2 жыл бұрын

I mean, you hit the nail on the head there in the middle. Yeah, there may be a measurable difference. But only when you drag out the benchmarks, and use nanometer scale calipers to compare the 2 graphs. It's nice/interesting to know when one chip technically beats out another, but when it comes to my wallet, what matters is what I can see.

@timbathras2660 2 жыл бұрын

Love your humor!

@dragonsoars 16 күн бұрын

I am curious. You stated that the Z440 had 32GB of memory, but you didn't say if one module was in each of the four channels (quad-channel 4x8GB). Single-channel comes with a 50% performance loss, and dual-channel 25% to 35%. I hope you can remember the configuration and reply. Thank you for the video!

@gucky4717 2 жыл бұрын

What about really CPU intensive Games like Battlefield or Anno 1800?

@evansantos9148 Жыл бұрын

I just wanna know what is inside his glass next to the aluminum can👀

@adrianh85 2 жыл бұрын

I have been trying to explain this to people for years! 💪🏿

@knomad666 Жыл бұрын

A sensible summation.

@felixandy 2 жыл бұрын

My HP Z440 just got delivered an hour ago with an E5-1650v4!!!

@the_retag 2 жыл бұрын

Where the heck do you get the 1660v4? Id have to pay 285 for the cpu alone, and im currently looking for a 1680v4 for my z440 which is like 450€ on fucking aliexpress

@CyberdriveAutomotive Жыл бұрын

Watching your channel as a recovering alcoholic is hard

@certs743 2 жыл бұрын

Still rocking my old Dell T5610 with 2 E5-2650 V2s and 128 GB of RAM and a GTX 1070. Does everything I need it to be it video work or gaming.

@HashanGayasri Жыл бұрын

I think Xeon W class processors are better suited for comparison against desktop ones since the clocks are higher (and these are basically server counterparts of the intel X class processors). I recently ordered a HP Z4 with a Xeon W2145 processor to be used as an overpowered NAS. Can't compete with the Intel 13th gen CPUs but for around 300USD, I'm getting an okay processor with a pretty decent motherboard.

@GodSaveTheUnitedStates 6 ай бұрын

I love looking at Xeon alternatives for budget gaming systems. There is an aire of accomplishment to reusing tech, never intended for a use case, to achieve your goals while simultaneously saving hundreds of dollars. Everyone knows you sacrifice an upgrade path, but if one acknowledges that and is ok with it, the idea is so satisfying and rewarding. I love your content and hope there will always be intrest in reusing older tech like this.

@Fay7666 2 жыл бұрын

I've seriously considered changing my setup into a Z840. I don't gane much, especially not newer games that may require the CPU. With the supposed reports that you can offer ~$250 for 2696v4's, it would make for a killer workstation that would allow me to run anything and everything I would want to _at the same time._

@santo313 2 жыл бұрын

YEP soon ill get 22 CORE rig WITH those 10 CORES TURBU ABOVE 3ghz it will be nice for the gaming @FHD and workstation things + i can create a Hyper-V server to host my favorite games on an extream budget

@callowaysutton Жыл бұрын

You can find them for 130 or less on eBay all the time! They have the highest single core performance of all of the Broadwell Xeons which is about equivalent to a 10th or 11th gen Core chip, recently put 8 into my cluster of servers and they're awesome chips.

@jong-yk3gk 25 күн бұрын

The e5 2697 v4 are better and the 99 22 cores are to much

@darkfrost 10 ай бұрын

will dual xeon e52687W will work good with unreal engine 5?

@HopsAndBrews 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that beer really should come in those small 8oz cans, really any more and its just too sweet.

@CraftComputing 2 жыл бұрын

Technically I think it was 8oz of beer and 8oz of chocolate cake.

@HopsAndBrews 2 жыл бұрын

@@CraftComputing Dont forget the cinnamon

@augold1681 6 ай бұрын

Oh, I don't think the HPs can be turbo unlocked as the bios is encrypted and checked each time you boot. I may be mistaken.

@JC7119 Жыл бұрын

I love the older Xeon's. I'll be the first one to say a Chinese x99 with 1660v3 which can be overclocked can still hold up REALLY well against modern stuff.

@girogiacomo Жыл бұрын

I'm commenting before finishing ghe video but I think you didn't disable the meltdown and spectre patches... there is a good video from techyescity that shows how much the patches hurt old xeons in pretty much everything, including games

@PrometheusZer00 2 жыл бұрын

Points for the Inside reference!

@StevePatak 2 жыл бұрын

wow, a Bo Burnham reference AND ETB for the beer? My kind of video. Love ETB. That can looks like it rivals my favorite (limited release?) from them: Today's Forecast: Unhealthy Air Quality For Sensitive Groups - 14% stout/double pastry

@drexter09 Жыл бұрын

May i ask what is ecc memory and what is it for? Can i use standard rams on xeons

@christopherjackson2157 Жыл бұрын

The thing about shopping for xeons is if you just buy whatever's cheap/free locally it's way cheaper than pricing out specific parts you want

@xerxestheii856 Жыл бұрын

which core i series is equal in performance for e5 2690 v4?

@badharrow Жыл бұрын

Will the hp take a 12 core from the same generation?

@frithfly1 Жыл бұрын

Jeff you said you used the turbo unlock for z440. Does it work for the xeon "v4"? Also, what IPA would you recommend me to buy for a friend? He loves IPAs, not too fruity and not sugary. His everyday drink is lagunitas IPA and also enjoys firestone mind haze as well. Thanks in advance.

@Software.Engineer Жыл бұрын

not for v4, only v3

@kcmullins6179 Жыл бұрын

What about the older threadripper series by amd 1900x 1920x 1950x?? You can get em cheap now they used to cost 1k and 1200 ect just a few yrs ago

@PsychoStreak Жыл бұрын

I'm curious about the power draw of those Xeons vs the i5 system under load and idle. Also, going with DDR5 was kind of an obvious way to stack the deck price wise against the i5 system. Not a huge amount, but still. Also, would have been interesting to see a 5600 or 5600x build thrown in the mix.

@szymontrojanowski7565 Жыл бұрын

Power draw will be similar, because Intel is cheating on TDP of consumer chips, and it does not consider boost, when it comes to DDR5 memory I thought the same

@melitgreybeardivey7436 Жыл бұрын

Did you happen to gauge the wattage of each build? Does the reduced build cost with old xeons get offset by reduced run cost of the i5?

@quademasters249 10 ай бұрын

Yearly run cost for my Xeon is something like $25. That's not including the GPU, monitor or drives. Your GPU is the real power consumer. More than the rest of the PC combined when gaming.

@Software.Engineer Жыл бұрын

Can you try with E5-2696V4 and v3, I have dual setup of both but don't know hwat it would be like with a 3080ti. HP z840 for 850 AUD bare bones + each cpu was 200 - 300 aud each. Never intended it for gaming and dual would hurt it, but wanted stats

@thestrykernet 2 жыл бұрын

I enjoy comparisons like this. I'm still running my i7-6900K (4.2ghz all/4.3ghz 2c) as my primary gaming system. I just don't see enough of an advantage for replacing my entire setup when CPU is the least important upgrade for gaming (I don't play super high fps titles).

@BrennanLetkeman Жыл бұрын

yeah, I'm still using an ancient 4790k with a 3080 and I'm not especially convinced that the old CPU is really bottlenecking much. framerates in real life use are very good

@petenielsen6683 Жыл бұрын

My question isn't about the Xeon processors. My question is if you have any IPA recommendations for someone who has not had any in a long time because of prescription meds. (I may be taken off of some diabetes meds soon!)

@freddywestside3763 2 жыл бұрын

Jeff... It's time for a Manscaped sponsorship.

@nadtz 2 жыл бұрын

I'm about to replace my xeon workstation but I figure 12c/24t will make a fine VM box once I've built my new workstation.

@cferra 2 жыл бұрын

More info on the bios mod please

@AsbestosMuffins 2 жыл бұрын

seems to have held up better than the 1st gen threadrippers

@asmi06 2 жыл бұрын

You've got to keep in mind power consumption too, especially at idle as most computers and especially servers spend most of their time at near idle.

@InsideAlan Жыл бұрын

Older server CPUs are far more efficient at idle than new server CPUs but I don't know the figures for the 12600k or the impact of overclocking the Xeon.

@fusemalaysia840 Жыл бұрын

wonder if power consumption is okay and unlocked....too expensive....but my global ID stamps Xeon till now....have conflict with government restrictions kinda hard to own...

@jeffreygrindle6396 Жыл бұрын

Love me some old xeons looking to pick up a hp z840 right now to build my ultimate editing rig

@omidnt2992 Жыл бұрын

what about dual Xeon? 2x 2699v3 maybe ? or maybe dual 2690v4 which has better single core performance but less cores

@eliasalcazar6554 28 күн бұрын

For me the draw to Xeon was for home server use. I picked up an E5 2699 v3 for $48 and slapped it in an ASRock x99m board. I now have quad-channel ECC RAM support up to 256GB, and 40 pcie lanes, not to mention superb IOMMU grouping. Unfortunately the power draw is something I will have to live with until a consumer chip can offer me comparable features. I'd love to not be consistently pulling 100w, but alas lol