Do you still have support sciences available, and if so, how long is the wait [in terms of number left in the queue].

I love these videos man. Why would I watch a -farfetched- theory MatPat put out in the same hour -he probably put together in a week- when I could watch analysis with a deeper meaning from a dude who puts way more effort into his videos.

Beautifull. This completly sheds a new light on the support conversations that I've seen before. And believe me, just like you, I can spend hours watching those support conversations over, and over again. Thank you, so much, for your work.

Now we just need the rest of the family tree. Inigo probably has a lot to work with considering he's got supports for 2 games

I like this video a lot and I can understand why you had a writer's block on this one. Olivia is more complicated than what is on the surface, and many enjoy her character for various reasons and interpretations. She is one of my favorites in Awakening. I can relate to her in some ways, mainly in how I knock myself down all the time. Instead of getting praise though, I was bullied constantly. I felt like I wasn't good at anything, and not good enough for anyone. And when I would get compliments or encouragement, I didn't believe them. I still struggle often with the lack of confidence, self-worth, and so on, but I'm working on it. There's a ton that goes on with all of that, so you tackled the support science well.

Also the "Omg I'm so ugly"

Perfect description for Olivia.

A year later...

Two years later....

Can't delete. Still need dancer utility

Mangs maaaaan

nnnnnnnnnn-dyuuuuude

Oh god, they're going to timespace again.

Who are you and what have you do to the real Mangs?

It's funny cause it's true

the problem is specifically the trope. the trope ends up becoming a main gimmick that you see so frequently that you dismiss the character. the writers were probably so worried people wouldn't enjoy the characters so they had to give them all some sort of gimmick. cordelia is in unrequited love, vaike is an idiot, sumia is a klutz, virion is a skirt chaser, blah blah blah. I'm an old school FE fan and i hate that characters with actual nuance are buried under shallow tropes because the writers were not confident enough in themselves to leave out the gimmicks or at least draw less attention to them. this is one of the main reasons why older players prefer the older characters - because most* of them don't have that shallow trope. some do (like Sain and Saul for example), but most don't. it gets worse when so many of the characters like to inflate the MU's ego because they somehow are the most acceptable person around

Personally, I'm fine with the tropes themselves as long as that's not their entire character. The trope is your base, and then you expand upon it. Like in this video, how Olivia is "the shy girl", but has all these other nuances that the video mentions, and even how she grows out of them. Which is something I feel most of the Awakening cast is able to do. Another favorite of mine is Virion, who is the skirt chaser, but turns out to be the duke of Rosanne and is a skillful enough tactician to pull off the zero-percent-approval gambit he did in order to avoid sending his people to die in a battle they couldn't win, completely willing to bear the scorn of his people. There's also the issue that Fates has A SHITLOAD of characters, so investing the same time and care into each and everyone of them would take a really long time, and as a result, the trope ends up being the whole character. On top of the fact that the translation of said supports aren't all that good to begin with. But there's a few diamonds in the rough, in my opinion. One of my personal favorites being Camilla, though the reasons why aren't realized to their full potential in the game itself, so the fact that one has to make their own interpretations of a character to realize said potential should speak of the weak writing of the game.

I always thought Awakening characters had a lot of depth, and many of the supports are great. The problem is that it's hard to get attached to them because they're completely irrelevant to the story. Because we only get to know them in supports, we never actually see them develop (we only briefly read about their possible development from their children). Because supports are non-linear, most are just there to re-establish the main character trait, or to reveal some quirk they have. I personally found myself caring more about the 'flatter' characters from Jugdral than the Awakening cast simply because those actually feel like a big part of the world and I got to see them go through all that shit.

Agreed, and Fates especially was the same way. Kinda sad most people don't go through the supports in either game that much, ESPECIALLY with the children units of Awakening or the Fates retainers (aside from Laslow, Selena, and Odin)

I agree. I fell in love with Awakening's cast, and do believe there's a lot of depth to be had in the supports. I think the problem is that you have to dig through a lot of sub-par supports to get the good ones. The devs took the approach of allowing each of the shepherds to support/marry each other in just about any combination, which inevitably means they had to write a *lot* of support conversations. So, in some cases, they had to sacrifice quality for quantity. There's only so many ways you can show a character's personality traits while keeping the character consistent. So I find that about half of any given characters' support chains don't provide much of anything meaningful. However, if you accept those supports as simply needing to be there for the sake of inheritance mechanics, and focus instead on the more interesting supports each character has, there is a plethora of depth to each character. And I think this video highlights that perfectly

S S She is so underrated tbh.

Virion is great too... and underrated as many people judge him based on their first impressions of him. Kinda like Maribelle. And he's noble. Just like... Maribelle.... Oh. Oh no.

i actually married off virion and maribelle to each other once not sure if their support was good honestly but i won't be doing it again purely because turquoise isn't a good hair color for brady

@@lovelovemiraclesunsetgirl excuse u turquoise hair brady is an art masterpiece

@@eirikaisbae5031 While Lissa is my waifu, I won't deny that after chapter five (I think), I had her as a my much needed second healer. But now she's a proud Valkyrie.

if memory serves maribelle has some of the best set of supports in awakening full stop.

supports are the reason Maribelle became my favourite character

Her pushy and forward yet refined character makes for some legitimately great supports

The supports really flesh out her positive and negative traits in a really balanced way. She's loyal and dedicated to her friends, has a strong sense of justice but at the same time is judgemental, inconsiderate and pushy. And well, even when she tries to better herself, she often snaps at people due to poor social skills. It's always entertaining to read her supports, especially when she starts dishing out verbal slapdowns

Maribelle is that one friend who is super nice and encouraging, but will chew you out for having any major flaws or for just being negative

Olivia, not Maribelle

spiritomb108 no, i mean maribelle lol

I know so little about Soleil, i should watch her supports

I wonder if Inigo and Brady hang out.

Choco Mufin Actually, they do! On the DLCs (Like Harvest Scramble or Future past) and even on their supports they are confirmed to be good friends, even with a common dream after the war is over, i suggest to look it up, their friendship is just heartwarming!

Jo King God, I just read this in the voice of Matt Hardy.

Virion x Olivia is my favorite pairing for them both, because it's honestly that good.

@@aninymouse1651 Same, I paired them on my first play though because I thought “Oh Virion’s hair is close to Indigo’s canon hair color, he likes dancing, and flirts with women”. The support conversation of him helping Olivia dance and those other facts I listed above is what makes him perfect for her and as Indigo’s dad imo.

Virion is pretty underrated as a character. He’s foppish and a womanizer, sure, but he’s essentially the shepherd’s older brother figure and helps others through slumps and lack of confidence. His support with Male Robin is a great example of this. Pretty wise fella.

That’s what I did when I played Awakening lol (also she is my favorite girl as well) I bet your art, whatever it is, is good :)

As an artist, I've often slipped into this habit as well. --Well, anyone can engage in this kind of self-effacement for anything, but I feel it's especially easy for artists to fall into this trap, because showing off a piece of your self-expression to others often feels akin to laying bare your soul to the whole world for scrutiny. And additionally, since you do it as your occupation, you often feel that the value of your work is equal to the value of your purpose or function in society. So when someone says your work is worthless, it's easy to fall into the downward spiral of "well if my work is worthless, then I am worthless, and if I am worthless then I am unnecessary and unneeded and will be abandoned by society to die a slow death in isolation!" Sounds like a pretty extreme train of thought, but it comes a deep-seated fear that basically every human being ever carries inside of them from back in the good old days where social ostracization actually resulted in death alone in the wilderness. However irrational the threat of abandonment actually is in the context of someone critiquing your work, you still don't even want to FEEL the slightest notion of it, and so you come out with all the excuses and the self-effacement to protect your feelings and fish for reassurance that you're valuable and worthwhile. I've started to avoid falling into this pit trap by learning to not conflate the value of my art with my value as a person. And it's a lot easier to do this when I remember where my carnal fear of being useless is coming from, so that I can back up and gauge exactly how irrational that fear is. And most of the time it's ridiculously irrational. I don't put myself down nearly as much as I used to anymore! :) Plus, there's the added bonus that you're far more effective at inspiring others when you're not preoccupied with putting yourself down. ;)

I have the same problem as Olivia the mouse being that I'm a musician

Hello Blazing Knight

I’m sure you’ll overcome your problems, if you haven’t already. Lots of love, I’m proud of you for your efforts

I hope you’re doing amazing sweetie!

I want Ghast to do support sciences on Inigo/Laslow and Soleil now. I've always loved Olivia's son and the dancer family as a whole, but this video made me appreciate Olivia more as the starting point of it.

Also don't forget her grandaughter soleli (Did i spell her right?)

How's Ylisse right now? Does everyone look at you weird for speaking our way?

Buhnana Farms How do you mean?

Well, I just thought you went to Ylisse to hug Olivia, so...

Yo I want to go to yileese, freaking meet robin and chrom and the best girl Olivia

NO GET THE F**K AWAY FROM HER SHE'S MINE, _REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE_ *clears throat* Sorry.

Hans Doerr he didn't make them interesting. He just showed you how they already were

Agreed. For all of Awakening's flaws, it honestly has some of the best support writing in the whole series. Its the supports alone that really make it my favorite game in the series. Sure, it has some bad supports, but those are the minority.

Yeah

I have to question how you define vanity, because what you described doesn't really sound vain. The desire to point out her own faults and to be self deprecating while yes is a crutch and a means to ward off criticism I don't think it is a means to fish for praise. Olivia is no doubt self conscious, but It's more like she is only that way when it comes to others seeing her preform. You can practice and practice at something until you feel like you mastered it, but all it takes possibility of failure in front of others to question yourself. She has performance anxiety that causes her to worry about failure, but when she actually gets going she forgets about all her worries and stress. If anything the praise she receives isn't she actively seeks out, but receives it as a by product of her self deprecation. As for her support with Fredrick, it's not hard to believe that it starts off professional and the idea that a person, let alone woman with self esteem issues would get flustered at the idea of a bunch of men would think that Olivia was just pining for praise (or something else entirely) isn't that hard to believe. And for her A support, her asking for Fredrick's opinion on her again feels more like wanting to know if he hold any affection for her (because she has a crush on him) rather than just being because she wants to be praised by him.

CometX-ing FACTS

She has issues. Mostly with manipulation and closet narcissism.

A year late but YES, this! The video was well made but I couldn't get behind those deductions either.

Mine two

stop

Kek

I thought if you gave a mouse a cookie, it lead to Vampires taking over the world.

i think it was a burp...

Ghast Station I'm proud of you

Assassin Olyvia is awesome

Christopher Bennett agreed

STOP STARING! [murder]

She’s stronger in Heroes

Sogou Higishikata agreed. We're also talking about Frederick here. The guy who made a poster of a basically naked Chrom to inspire the rest of the army. *Facepalm* I don't think we can trust him if he were to go and ask every other guy what they thought of her. He would certainly make matters worse. Her fears were not irrational.

GeneralBrwni As an artist with artist friends, you hit the nail on the head, it IS really common among artists. Maribelle and Panne especially hit it on the head with their Olivia supports.

No I think this is a really bad habit and it is bad. Talking about this from personal experience where this trait was such an awful thing that it ruined friends ships.

UnDefinedLegacy not saying that it isn't a flaw (OP directly still calls it one), just discussing if 'vanity' is the right word for it. Personal interpretation: she talks about how weak and clumsy she is because she wants to avoid judging herself when she fails, rather than avoiding other's judgement. It's a more direct interpretation of Panne's accusation, that she's setting herself up for failure (literally setting up her mind for when she fails, not setting up other people's opinions of her). This ties better into her fishing for compliments, and makes her flaw less about vanity, and more about a deep fear of failure and regret from her low self-esteem.

It could be that Olivia genuinely thinks she's terrible, even though everyone else doesn't think so. It's a matter of not understanding people who actually are like this instead of them being bad people

+Panda Truth.

yeah i think using the word vanity in regards to this is inappropriate because the reason people have high standards for their work is due to their high work ethic. even a minor slip up can be glaringly obvious if one spends the majority of their time working or training in a skill. it not vain to not want the average person to treat them like god incarnate for doing their job.

Danmccloud1889 There isn’t much to work with I find her interesting but she doesn’t have that many support. The ones she does well only two are good. I like Matilda and deltheas but alm and grey were pretty garbage.

I wonder why?

@abdullahiaddraattah Hey @faerghast this looks like a total scam. Is it real?

Basically, she's fishing for compliments in around about way. If she hated herself or the way she looked she wouldnt wear revealing clothing when wasnt perfoming.

That be awesome both olivia and inigo are some of the better fatesawakening characters

Jezz Penrose I really like Inigo a lot, though I find some of them aren't too deep. Though the omes that are, are really good