OMEGA SEAMASTER vs GRAND SEIKO 600M DIVER: SBGH257 vs PLANET OCEAN 600M 215.90.44.21.99.001

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6 жыл бұрын

Contact tmosso@thewatchbox.com for pricing and availability; Either I have it, or I can get it! Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean 600M (215.90.44.21.99.001) titanium vs. Grand Seiko Hi-Beat 36,000 Professional 600M SBGH257; it’s on! The much-requested “Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean vs. Grand Seiko Diver” feature is here, and luxury watch buyers can choose their favorite in clash of chronometer-caliber titans. The 2017 Baselworld debut of Grand Seiko’s first professional dive watches, SBGH255 and SBGH257, set the Japanese watch giant on a collision course with Omega’s flagship dive watch, the Planet Ocean. Today we decide which luxury dive watch rules the waves!
Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean; since 2005, this has been the standard-bearer for Omega watch’s premier collection of dive watches. While the Aqua Terras are land-and-sea casual sports watches, the Seamaster Diver 300M collection is the entry level, and the Seamaster 300 is the vintage-inspired option, the Seamaster Planet Ocean takes no prisoners thanks to generous size, engineering, features, and capabilities.
The 2011 Seamaster Planet Ocean received a serious upgrade thanks to the caliber 8500 co-axial chronometer and the general adoption of Omega’s Liquidmetal ceramic bezel technology. Another evolution arrived in 2016 as the core Omega Planet Ocean 600M gained a versatile new 43.5mm case size, new titanium and ceramic dials, and the Omega Master Chronometer caliber 8900.
Still a COSC chronometer with a Co-Axial escapement, the upgraded Omega Planet Ocean offers the new METAS fully-cased test of resistances, power reserve, winding efficiency, and chronometric performance.
Grand Seiko enters the professional dive watch arena for the first time with the blue dial Grand Seiko Hi-Beat 36,000 Professional 600M SBGH257 and its general production counterpart, the SBGH255 with black dial. While previous Grand Seiko dive watches were limited to 200 meters of water resistance, the Seiko brand had taken the lead in professional-grade diving watches. As a 600-meter dive watch with hardened seals capable of resisting helium intrusion, the Hi-Beat SBGH257 is a serious challenge to Omega’s Planet Ocean.
Grand Seiko’s leviathan boasts a generous 46.9mm titanium case, a diving clasp with a sliding incremental extension, and a limited series run of 500 pieces. The blue hobnail dial is handsome, and its soft iron construction helps to endow the Grand Seiko Hi-Beat Diver with an impressive 16,000 A/M anti-magnetic shielding. The Grand Seiko Hi-Beat caliber 9S85 is a 36,000 VpH manufacture automatic with 55-hour power reserve and a chronometer-besting six-position adjustment to -3/+5 seconds per day. Each Grand Seiko SBGH257 includes an accessory silicone strap in matching blue to facilitate greater comfort and adjustability while diving or swimming.
Will Omega’s Seamaster Planet Ocean win the battle of the high seas, or will the Grand Seiko SBGH257 throw its established rival overboard? Versus 9 starts now!

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@sdemosi
@sdemosi 5 жыл бұрын
I've never owned a PO but think I'll buy one after watching this. It's a really nice simple design and that movement is rock solid. Off to the AD with me
@MrCROBosanceros
@MrCROBosanceros 2 жыл бұрын
I still remember those magical moments when I was a teenager, back in the 1970s and early 1980s, looking at posters on the walls of local watch repair shops of old and tough guys wearing Omega dive watches. There was something special about dive watch and Omega was in the class above. I'm 57 years old and I feel the same. I would much prefer if Omega reposition a day window somewhere else or even removes it completely and adds Arabic numeral 3 instead.
@planetdee3587
@planetdee3587 5 жыл бұрын
Each has their own positives. I love being able to see the movement on the back. Ultimately I would go with the GS. Seiko styling and being apart of the Seiko club just do a little more for me.
@rogermasson3315
@rogermasson3315 5 жыл бұрын
Like other said, the PO is better on several aspects : definitely more accurate on a daily basis and the co-axial is (on my opinion) the best escapement available on this price range. Nonetheless the Seiko has an "exotic" beauty that is refreshing considering the over-saturated market of dive watches . Great video!
@ignacioyanezgutierrez7139
@ignacioyanezgutierrez7139 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tim for posting the review... I have to say that probably the Fifty Fathoms and the 43mm Sea Dweller would be a more even match IMHO. The SBGH257 is an amazing contradiction, a true piece of horology. Is SEIKO showing off. When we are talking about a SEIKO PROFESSIONAL DIVER WATCHES ... the things are serious in functionality and trustability ... no room for clear casebacks. With 600 m WR, we are in the SEIKO TUNA league ... a real life tool watch (and SEIKO is very serious in this field) ... but with the finishing of a true luxury watch ... I mean (I am trying to be objective) not to far from PP, AP with the case finishing , but in a kind of exotic way ... the dial texture in a sort of "tapisserie" pattern with antimagnetic function, it´s an eyeblink to the Royal Oak Offshore (that runs a 21,600 vph by the way). 25’200vph (planet ocean) vs 36000 vph , a reliable, solid hi-beat movement is something hard to find in the horology world (as far I know only Zenith and Seiko, being Seiko the masters of the Hi-Beat) ... SBGH257 and SBGH255g are out of ordinary watches, even weird but cool. Solid, strong, functional, lighter, beautiful finishing, crazy lume ... as I mentioned before ... something, different, extremely well executed ... unique.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for such a thought out comment Ignacio! We appreciate you taking the time to share with us. We'll be doing more Versus and you never know what we might cover! Thanks again for watching - WatchBox Team
@jacc88888
@jacc88888 5 жыл бұрын
Omega looks snazzier (is that a word?) and is so much more handsome. I admire GS enormously and always want them to win these stand-offs but they seldom impress on the looks front.
@Whipacharm127
@Whipacharm127 4 жыл бұрын
That was an OUTSTANDING review, I so love the GS but out of my range atm. I have an Omega Seamaster from 2001 Bond's watch. I still would like to find a 50yr anniversary seeing how bond and I are the same age...
@ScottyBennitone
@ScottyBennitone 6 жыл бұрын
I like the size , robustness of movement , and bracelet adjustment better on Omega than the GS . And for that, its my winner.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 6 жыл бұрын
By all of the objective scoring categories but resale value, the Omega walks away with this one. I found the GS to be more emotionally appealing and visibly hand-crafted, so I chose it on that basis. Best, Tim
@AbdulRWatches
@AbdulRWatches 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tim for another awesome Versus, I also choose the GS, it has this extra exclusivity and a more cool factor to it than the omega in my opinion.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your support and thoughtful feedback as always Abdul! - WatchBox Team
@dnlmoretti
@dnlmoretti 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a huge fan of GS but it’s the heritage line that resonates me the most - their divers just aren’t quite there yet for me and you really can’t go wrong with Omega in that regard. Planet Ocean for me.
@redbullrobert
@redbullrobert 5 жыл бұрын
Although I rock a PO as a daily (ss version with full black bezel, no rubber insert), I can definitely see and respect Tim's point. PO may be an objectively a better watch, but I agree that Po's finishing is superb, yet sterile, so you would not feel that organic hue whatsoever. PO, imho, is like a Lexus LS, where it lacks the S-class pizzazz, but has a toyota-like value and reliability that is hard to beat. Some people may not go for the PO the same way people do not like lexuses, but then, for people like me, the industrial solidity is the selling point. I never tried on a gs, so cannot testify on gs, but the looks, movement, and display back alone would make me go PO, no question. Maybe Trying on a GS will change my mind, but for GS money, id rather save up and get a seadweller (yes the new one)
@TheOneInYellow
@TheOneInYellow 5 жыл бұрын
Small criticism Tim Mosso/WatchBox Reviews. The lighting has a yellow/cork tone that subdued the sheer beauty and look of the timepieces. Please amend before the next video. Outside of that, lovely comparison!
@DC-xf2qi
@DC-xf2qi 5 жыл бұрын
I go with the Planet ocean I have that watch for 2 month and is amazing caliber and I have more comment from people the my Rolex no date
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Danny, your decision makes sense. The Planet Ocean is a better engineered product overall - especially the movement. Best, Tim
@andrewst12
@andrewst12 5 жыл бұрын
I'll pick the Omega anytime
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Not a bad choice, thanks for watching! - WatchBox Team
@jumboJetPilot
@jumboJetPilot 5 жыл бұрын
Well said about the coaxial being a sleeper by virtue of being from Omega vs. some other house. Micro-adjustable bracelets, ceramic bezels, 15 milgauss magnetic resistance, the coaxial escapement - wasn’t Omega the first to do all of those?
@fpoynton1604
@fpoynton1604 5 жыл бұрын
Tim - these are so much fun to watch and learn from - and I am beginning to realize your never going to make it easy for us guys. Lol. Had to watch 3 times. Based on it's super bass ass but well manicured appearance when head to head - I prefer the curbside appeal of the Seiko by far. That being said - My 2009. 45. mm black dial PO is my favorite watch - just sent it in for service. 👍
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching; programming this series is one of the highlights of my weekly routine. The Seiko sells on its tangibly human touch. The PO is a better machine, but we're already beyond the realm of reason when deciding to spent $1,000+ for a watch, so I picked the emotional favorite. Both will give good service in the real world of office parks and weekends at the beach. Best, Tim
@davec3651
@davec3651 6 жыл бұрын
The superior case work and over all finishing that Grand Seiko is known for is very apparent here. This is definitely art over practicality in choosing GS here, and nothing wrong with that in this case.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, that's exactly how I made my decision. Personal manner to the contrary, I'm not an android, and I gravitate towards the clear evidence of human involvement. Hand-finishing of a case and bracelet usually costs well into five figures when it's executed as pervasively as on this Grand Seiko. Think AP, PP, VC sports watches... Best, Tim
@nathan2483
@nathan2483 5 жыл бұрын
Tim you put up a very fair and concise argument. One that I am currently facing. That debut into high horology is one with many pitfalls. That very last step before venturing into the genuine big boys of horological mastery. I am legitimately vexed by this decision. Though I fear that you are correct even if I have lusted after the omega for some time. I am yet to witness the beauty of Godzilla with my own eyes, but even through the screen of my iPhone it’s plainly obvious that it’s a legitimate looker.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Godzilla offers a very handsome case/bracelet/dial combo -- and shockingly good ergonomics. The identical sister model SBGH255 features a **black dial** and a slightly lower price tag due to non-limited status. Also consider the Grand Seiko SBGA231 (or 2008-2016 SBGA031 with "Seiko" at 12 on the dial), because that's a titanium Spring Drive Grand Seiko diver (200M) that can be picked up for far less than 'Zilla. Definitely consider the SBGA231/031. Best, Tim
@brinx8634
@brinx8634 5 жыл бұрын
I would have to handle both to make a decision, but the more practical size of the Omega is a notable advantage for me. Good video, I'm glad I found you.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the channel! Thanks for being a part of the community, and don't hesitate to give us ideas for future videos. --Team WatchBox
@brucecameron7172
@brucecameron7172 5 жыл бұрын
Tim, I really like your less rushed presentation as opposed to your current method of rattling out your words. long may this type of presentation last. Regards,
@JavierDiaz-zm1qd
@JavierDiaz-zm1qd 6 жыл бұрын
Great comparison thanks.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching, Javier, and for this kind feedback! My team and I are grateful. Best, Tim
@ripperx444
@ripperx444 5 жыл бұрын
I bought the GS on first day my AD got it. It was ok. They need to step up the clasp and bracelete quality. The clasp is off the marinemaster 300! It’s litterally the same reused part with a different logo! Scratches so easily and is stamped!!! I think omega is a nicer wstch for less money!
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
This is true, but GS put the money into finishing rather than the case/bracelet themselves. It's a compromise that you accept with GS -- just like you accept the robust Rolex and Omega fabrication in exchange for a somewhat sterile industrial product. Omega does offer a better watch holistically, but I like the Grand better. In this league of luxury, it's best not to be too objective. Best, Tim
@jrgb9945
@jrgb9945 5 жыл бұрын
ripperx444 Omega is in a completely different league.
@mainlymusicman
@mainlymusicman 3 жыл бұрын
@@jrgb9945 yeah, worse.
@Killua_Overwatch
@Killua_Overwatch 2 жыл бұрын
@@jrgb9945 you’ve clearly never held a GS in your hands. The craftsmanship is on par with Patek Philippe. The coaxial movement is amazing, however the GS screams character. Honestly, when will people back up their statements with logic and facts.
@joonsukkim7904
@joonsukkim7904 5 жыл бұрын
I think the use of pins in the GS is acceptable here because the bracelet is titanium. I think i read somewhere that using screws would strip the titanium.
@Jeff-mj1nl
@Jeff-mj1nl 6 жыл бұрын
I love these versus videos Tim! Especially this one, so much details and expertise! Maybe you could put a „versus“ or „versus: episode XY“ in the title so it is a little clearer. What do you think about a calatrava vs patrimony comparison? ( the small second pieces haha) :D
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Jeff, thank you for this kind feedback. The challenge with thumbnails and titles has been fitting all of the identifying information that we'd like to include. At the moment, the idea is to have two large images on the thumbnail so that people viewing it on a phone-sized screen have a least a fighting chance of recognizing the watches. With the titles, I realize that people can only see the first few words on phone browsers (all of the growth is in phones, sadly). But I can start numbering the videos in the description fields. Best, Tim
@crybabyteamo
@crybabyteamo 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Tim, are you saying the black polish is a level above the zaratsu polishing? Also isn't the black polishing only applies to movement parts vs. zaratsu polishing mainly for the case?
@ismaelbonal6537
@ismaelbonal6537 5 жыл бұрын
I respect your choice, but I would always go for the Planet Ocean. It is just breathtaking and carries with it the history and heritage of a brand that once reached the top of the scale in watch making (and reached the moon too).
@MrVoayer
@MrVoayer 5 жыл бұрын
Valuable and nicely done comparison video. Grand Seiko did a great job with their watch. Albeit, the price is not for the faint at heart.
@levedia
@levedia 5 жыл бұрын
3 favorite watches i like Bulova, Seiko especially grand seikos and Omegas. I also like Longines and IWC.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Not bad Nick! Thanks for sharing your Top 5! - WatchBox Team
@agilagilsen8714
@agilagilsen8714 5 жыл бұрын
Say what you will but Omega has always made great watches and the modern day watches they make are top notch and I don't get why they aren't even more popular then they already are. The GS is a pretty watch, but the PO is beautiful, not to mention how amazing the co-axial movement is. I don't think it's possible to get any more value for your money then a modern Omega at the moment. Not to mention how easy it is to get AD bought barely used ones still on 3-4years of factory warranty with all the paperwork for less then gray/black market ones and I don't see any reason not t grab whatever Omega you like the most.
@TheVarskvlavtbichuna
@TheVarskvlavtbichuna 5 жыл бұрын
Knowing you are Omega boy (like me), i have to say you explained your choice perfectly. Roulex fans would never do it ;)
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Indeed, I'm a big Omega fan. The brand has been special to me and always will be. Keep the faith! Best, Tim
@theIdlecrane
@theIdlecrane 5 жыл бұрын
Omega for me on this one. If the GS has a spring drive, I can be persuaded...
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
You have a point there! Thanks for watching! - WatchBox Team
@rickjason215
@rickjason215 4 жыл бұрын
Omega makes a pretty watch. I’m not crazy about the manual release valve and would prefer the one on the Pelagos. Then again, I’m not taking these watches even 10 meters in the ocean. The accuracy of these watches is not a big deal. They are accurate enough. I agree about the spring drive. If GS went Spring Drive, I might even consider buying the watch. The prices are so high that it would be tough to pull the trigger and spend the money.
@totisanchez3607
@totisanchez3607 5 жыл бұрын
I would probably add a spring drive to my wish list but that's at the end of the list.
@Ural1706
@Ural1706 4 жыл бұрын
Facepalm
@larvancioramos9748
@larvancioramos9748 5 жыл бұрын
Seiko all the way
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Seiko! Glad you enjoyed our video, thanks for watching! - WatchBox Team
@larvancioramos9748
@larvancioramos9748 5 жыл бұрын
@@the1916companywatchreviews oh boys i dream with that watch 😢. Just amazing improvements in that titanium kind! Unfortunately is completely out of my pocket. At least i do enjoy my Monster & tuna very much, Seiko is a brand appart in world watches.
@Black.D.D
@Black.D.D 3 жыл бұрын
I have a OMEGA Semaster PO Co-Axial 600 Meter Master Chronograph 45,5. Caliber 9900, this wirstwatch os undistructable & unbeateble. I love Omega, my winner is Omega SM PO✌👍🏻. Thx for this awesome Video & great infos. But my winner is clear, Omega😂👍🏻. I hope you make more videos about the Omega💙.
@menaseven9093
@menaseven9093 5 жыл бұрын
Great choice I prefer the Seiko 600M Diver over the Omega Planet Ocean.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Nice choice, thanks for watching Mena! - WatchBox Team
@ianwoollard2063
@ianwoollard2063 5 жыл бұрын
I prefer the Omega, but the one thing that I wished you’d compared is the accuracy of the movements. Which one keeps the best time? To be honest I’m saving for the Planet Ocean and believe it to be excellent value for money at this price point. The Grand Seiko just doesn’t make me feel the same excitement and that bracelet is a let down.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
The Omega. Omega used to advertise an internal standard of -1/+5 for the co-ax 2500s, and the 8500/8900 family run resolutely -1/+3 seconds per day. Grand Seiko does beat the COSC/ISO-3159 tolerances for a "chronometer," but the current crop of co-axials is on a different planet. A master could regulate an 8900 to vie with the new Zenith Defy Lab's .3s/d or the Breguet 7727's caliber 574DR (72,000 VpH) at -1/+3. Best, Tim
@levedia
@levedia 5 жыл бұрын
Omega is more accurate it has more jewels but material wise grand seiko seems its has better materials. Also i findGrand Seiko better looking in y opinion. im a fan of both seiko and omega. I love the new seamaster omega with those crazy sea lines.
@normandodelossantos3259
@normandodelossantos3259 5 жыл бұрын
@@levedia Grand Seiko's Spring Dive beats any chronometer in accuracy!
@levedia
@levedia 5 жыл бұрын
@@normandodelossantos3259 grand seikos springdrive hi beats are most accurate watches. But this Omega watch is more accurate than this GRAND SEIKO. But grand this grand seiko more bang for your buck. Im a Seiko guy all the way. I own 3 seikos.
@jrgb9945
@jrgb9945 5 жыл бұрын
Ian Woollard Who would want a Seiko?
@aklem001
@aklem001 6 жыл бұрын
Great content. I recommend switching the background to something darker. A dark wood color/pattern would work well. It would help make the watches pop. Right now the light colored BG and watches compete for attention.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Alan, thanks for this kind feedback. We've been experimenting with different backdrops over the last week. It may be for the best if we choose a few attractive bases of different colors to better suit the vast arrays of finishes that we might encounter. A black carbon Panerai or ceramic AP will require quite different base contrast than a polished platinum Patek 5140P or a gleaming steel Breitling. Our only universal guiding principal is that the base must be non-reflective. Best, Tim
@logwind
@logwind 5 жыл бұрын
Another great one Tim. I like this versus series.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Writing and producing this series is a highlight of my role with Watchbox. Thank you for watching! Best, Tim
@Drazorig2
@Drazorig2 6 жыл бұрын
This new versus series is brilliant, GS and Omega are both very strong companies and produce such fine crafted watches that are much better bang for your buck in comparison to others out there.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 6 жыл бұрын
Versus is the realization of my dream to take this channel to the next level. My medium-term hope is to make each weekend a double feature with one Versus on Saturday and another on Sunday. I might need to draw down my commitment to broadcasting shows, but that might be a worthwhile swap to consider. Alongside two folks who dedicate most of their week to tech support, I spend a considerable amount of time planning and executing these features. It's worth the effort! Best, Tim
@Drazorig2
@Drazorig2 5 жыл бұрын
We appreciate the hard work for sure! If you are taking recommendations for what to showcase next for the versus series it would be great if you could do it between the Aqua Terra 41mm Blue dial Vs Datejust 41 Fluted bezel/jubilee bracelet Blue dial. From movement, lume comparison, power reserve, build quality, dial detail, wrist shots. It would be truly great as there are no videos on KZfaq on these two popular watches.
@BenTramer
@BenTramer 5 жыл бұрын
Like do the Monday & Wednesday shows and skip the Tuesday/Thursday shows? Hmmm. I rather they just give you an extra week vacation/year and a pied-a-terre in Bala Cynwyd or Rittenhouse Square (whichever makes more sense) so we get the double feature + Monday - Thursday.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Didar, I'm seriously considering that comparison. Next week's Versus is set in stone due to week-long production cycles, but I'm evaluating watches for the following week's matchup. Aqua Terra 41 vs. Datejust 41 is very appealing. If I've got the watches, this will happen. Best, Tim
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark, I'd likely drop the Monday show and let the traders take that slot in order to double the Versus output. Versus is a huge effort for me that involves watch selection, writing+performance, critical revisions of rough drafts of the tape, advising the team that shoots the watches. You've probably noticed that Monday's show has a more focused narrative and a mass of graphic cues unlike any of our other live shows. I'd have to trade the day spent writing and programming "Watches Tonight" in order to complete a second Versus per week. Best, Tim
@sylvainpaquette6132
@sylvainpaquette6132 5 жыл бұрын
My winner is the grand seiko but not this model since it's too big. The gmt spring drive would be my choice. Out of curiosity did you take the time to measure both watch for accuracy ? My Japanese watches tend to be a lot more accurate than the specification to the point that most run 10 to 20 times more accurate in daily use.
@FirestormAA
@FirestormAA 5 жыл бұрын
This have to go to the GS based on the details planted into the watch. Omega is not far behind too.... one really good stuff about using an ETA movement will be the ease to service it. Close comparison. Good video Tim.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Alving, thanks for watching! As you can see, I chose the GS based on emotional factors rather than an engineering audit. But the Omega/ETA 8900 definitely shouldn't be exposed to untrained hands used to working on traditionally "ETA" generics like the 2824 and 2892. We sent Mike to Omega for training on the 8500/9300/8900, and while he excelled (he works on perpetuals and tourbillons), several of the candidates for certification didn't make it through the course with passing marks. I'd service the 8900 exclusively with Omega or a shop like ours that can prove with documentation its watchmakers are certified specifically for these calibers. Best, Tim
@philipmcritchie7309
@philipmcritchie7309 5 жыл бұрын
This Tim guy sure knows his watches. Jesus Christ !!!
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, and welcome to the Channel!! --Team WatchBox
@smiljanastanacev2495
@smiljanastanacev2495 4 жыл бұрын
U hdjigd
@cjtsn466
@cjtsn466 5 жыл бұрын
I have a tudor black bay,grand seiko and omega seamaster chrono .Even though omega is the oldest out of the three it looks newer .I dropped and hit my omega million times and I barely see a scratch.I can’t say the same about Tudor and Seiko.I have been told seiko has titanium with speacial treatment for scratches but I got scratches easily.I believe omega makes rock solid watches and look new after years
@cy4624
@cy4624 2 жыл бұрын
I think it depends on the material and finishing of the particular watch(shape, size), not a brand thing. My Tudors with high polish damages easy, Rolexes are much better with dings but still scratches, not an Omega fan so don't have any anymore. I've wore my Navitimer to gyms, working on things and banged it 100's and looks nearly new , the titanium GS is fairley durable, but by far my most durable was a DLC coated JR grade 5 titanium which is nearly impossible to scratch or ding. And as crazy as it is skx is hard to damage due to its shape.I believe Sinns are very durable as well.
@drkholyz
@drkholyz 6 жыл бұрын
More versus videos plz
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Mohamed! My hope is to offer two Versus per week: Saturday and Sunday. Best, Tim
@umutkaya6819
@umutkaya6819 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah its a good idea i like your content :)
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Umut, thanks for visiting my page! I'm working to find a solution along these lines. This style of video represents us well, and it's a welcome creative challenge for me after a few years of minimal changes to my old style of review. Best, Tim
@christianfrey7144
@christianfrey7144 4 жыл бұрын
The size of the grand seiko is pretty hard to swallow especially when there are planet oceans that are only 39mm
@pibblesnbits
@pibblesnbits 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a seiko boy but that Omega is a far better offering.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
It's always good when people can appreciate the watches for what they are! Thanks for your thoughtful feedback! - WatchBox Team
@DMBVR4
@DMBVR4 6 жыл бұрын
That ending with Godzilla and the cheap text 😂😂
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
I made that image in 30 seconds with the "Preview" editor and placed it to take this production down a notch. My editing tech went one step further and added the Godzilla roar. I couldn't be more satisfied with the result! As Iong as I'm writing these, I want to keep them fun and lighthearted. Watches get too serious in the tone-deaf wastes of the Internet, and I believe that our humor will set us apart from others who are starting to shoot watch reviews. I'm sure that I'll get a furious email from a Swiss brand in the near future for this kind of gag, but Grand Seiko's US team is a pretty cool group, so no worries this time! Best, Tim
@alejandropmora
@alejandropmora 5 жыл бұрын
Tim, any chance of doing something similar between the Breitling vs. Sinn’s Navitimers? BTW, been a fan for a while but I never seem to be able to log in when you all do your live shows. Keep up the good work. Cheers!
@vincenzostr4488
@vincenzostr4488 2 ай бұрын
Omega so beautiful with that touch of orange on the bezel. Omega for me is the winner!!
@russell996
@russell996 5 жыл бұрын
Great review. 👍
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching Russell! - WatchBox Team
@redzuan6425
@redzuan6425 5 жыл бұрын
Why oh why did they put the lume at the wrong end of seconds hand? Beautiful watch but lume at the wrong end of the seconds hand eliminates this as a possible purchase for me.
@75619630
@75619630 5 жыл бұрын
I would opt for the Omega between these two, but i would take a Rolex Deepsea Blue overall.
@TheNanofiber
@TheNanofiber 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe the Omega one should have been the one with colors most resembling the GS. That gray/white Omega is kinda love or hate watch. The dark dial with orange numbers is gorgeous, this color palette doesn't make that watch justice, in my opinion.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
I'm always torn between trying to match the watches perfectly and my desire to allow some distinctions of style and size. You're 100 percent correct that I could have tailored this SMP 600M to better match the Grand Seiko, and I could have taken another step in that direction with a 45.5mm PO600M case. For now, I'm OK with the choice I made, but I can strive for more perfect matchups in the future if this is what the audience requests. Best, Tim
@andrei2023
@andrei2023 5 жыл бұрын
For me Omega is winner🤪🏆👏
@EndofDays213
@EndofDays213 4 жыл бұрын
I can’t find myself spending that amount of money on a GS I just can’t no matter the limited production. The omega planet is way more eye appealing and feels like it’s more refined.
@marcelmordechai800
@marcelmordechai800 3 жыл бұрын
dunno if anyone cares but if you guys are bored like me atm then you can stream pretty much all the new series on Instaflixxer. Have been binge watching with my girlfriend these days :)
@cameronsolomon4249
@cameronsolomon4249 3 жыл бұрын
@Marcel Mordechai Yup, been using Instaflixxer for since december myself :)
@JungleEddie
@JungleEddie 5 жыл бұрын
Wrists under 20cm need to opt for Omega. The Grand Seiko is only wearable over a wetsuit. You do not wear the Grand Seiko, it wears you. If they made a 43mm version I would choose it.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
In terms of the proportions, you're spot-on. There's a 44.2mm Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver in steel (SBGA229) and titanium (SBGA321) that's more directly a rival of this 43.5mm Planet Ocean. Ergonomically, I think any wrist 15cm or larger can wear the SBGA257 comfortably, but the appearance of proportion will suffer. But 20cm is a huge wrist, and I don't think you need to worry about the proportional fit of the 257 if your wrist is that large. Best, Tim
@stevenuk
@stevenuk 5 жыл бұрын
both watches punch above their price point... Umm a tough choice... I'll have to go GS even though its a little too big... it looks super dooper on the included rubber strap.
@ejbunyan
@ejbunyan 4 жыл бұрын
I am considering purchasing a new Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean (Caliber 8900). But, I can't seem to get a straight answer from anyone I ask... Is the movement Manufacture or ETA? Some websites tell me it's ETA and others tell me it's Manufacture. What's the answer?
@MrRoyck10
@MrRoyck10 5 жыл бұрын
Omega for me any time, looks better aesthetically with a better brand image, nice video.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Nice pick, thanks for your feedback! - WatchBox Team
@levedia
@levedia 5 жыл бұрын
Thats all it is a better brand image. People who picka watch only because of brand image are usually people that know nothing about watches. Not saying you dont im saying usually.
@dr.phillnaadoftennessee.9788
@dr.phillnaadoftennessee.9788 5 жыл бұрын
I've got Seiko watches, I've got Bulova watches, I've got Omega watches, and I've got a Rolex. And I'll take omega over all of them...
@BenTramer
@BenTramer 5 жыл бұрын
I vote GS. The Omega is the better watch but the GS speaks to me. Really disappointed the GS does not have full balance bridge and free sprung balance...plus it has a metallic hairspring. Tim, you mentioned "real world reliability"...are you saying while a full balance bridge and free sprung balance do technically make a watch more reliable...the type of usual impact (bumps or a drop) a watch would experience between service intervals does not challenge the watch's mechanics enough where a full balance bridge and free sprung balance are particularly beneficial/necessary?
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The Seiko 9S family is aging but very tough. Real-world use won't push either of these watches to their physical limits, shock included. Both are tougher than any Patek, VC, or AP sports watch caliber. I'd even say that both of today's subject watches likely stand alongside Rolex for real-world mechanical durability. Most of us will never subject a watch to the level of physical trauma that would bring out the at-the-limit advantages of a full balance bridge and free-sprung balance (although the Omega, to its credit, boasts both). The last time I saw a mobile stud index shift on a non-free-sprung balance was a guy who dropped his watch from five feet onto a hardwood floor. Best, Tim
@BenTramer
@BenTramer 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great response, Tim. I was with you all the way to the end until...I don't see a 5 foot drop onto a wood floor as an unreasonable "at-the-limit" trauma. If a 5 foot drop is an "at-the-limit" trauma then the GS does have decreased "real world reliability". Based on that, a free-sprung balance matters.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
9/10 that I've seen a luxury watch dropped from that height, the case has been dented, the regulating index moved, the crystal fractured or ejected, or the stem assembly was damaged. It's a pretty brutal shock for most watches. There's an ISO standard for diver watches (6425), chronometers (3159), anti-magnetic watches (764), and shock-resistant watches; the ISO 1413. The last of those specifies a shock resistance equal to dropping a watch from 1-meter (40 inches) onto a flat hardwood surface. Dropping a watch from five feet (60 inches) is notably more injurious due to the kinetic energy of a watch being equal to 1/2Mass(Velocity-squared); kinetic energy quadruples every time velocity doubles. After falling 5-feet, the force of a square hit against a maple floor can be devastating. The Omega would be just as likely as the Grand Seiko to blow its bezel and both crystals right off the case in the event of that kind of hit. From 6 feet, forget it; that's in God's hands and not likely to end well. Best, Tim
@BenTramer
@BenTramer 5 жыл бұрын
Tim, thank you for all the great information. I'm surprised at -- not doubting -- the trauma you describe from 5 feet. My feeling is a situation as follows may happen every couple of years and is not unreasonable: a person is ~6 feet tall and they accidentally drop it while handing it to a friend or placing it on a shelf. This fall would be from ~5 feet. That is why I say I am surprised that dropping a watch from 5 feet is so damaging. To add more data to the mix I dropped a Seiko 6R15C movement from ~4 feet and the watch originally ran fast, now it runs a little slow. I noticed no other damage or changes. Before you shared this information I assumed the the reason the watch was impacted as much as it was, if at all, was because it is an entry level movement.
@levedia
@levedia 5 жыл бұрын
the hi-beat is a better mov than co axial. Omega is not the better watch. it only has better power reserve. In these 2 comparisons. There aaer omegas better than GS and vice versa. I like both these brands more than rolex and breitling.
@ohbennyboy
@ohbennyboy Жыл бұрын
Why get hibeat instead of spring drive?
@lordmaktmlord7373
@lordmaktmlord7373 5 жыл бұрын
I would go for the omega !
@loukasantoniou8054
@loukasantoniou8054 5 жыл бұрын
As a modern PO owner i will try to be as objective as possible...nahhh omega just kicks gs ass on looks and performance..still love the gs as a brand..not like omega though
@levedia
@levedia 5 жыл бұрын
oxi re to seiko ine pio omorfo. To movement ine kalitero tou omega. Omega i like there seamaster crazy watch me tis grames. Go youtube Time and Tide Omega.
@levedia
@levedia 5 жыл бұрын
yia dress watches Omega GS ine kaliteri piotita apo to omega
@nigelhussey
@nigelhussey 5 жыл бұрын
Pity you are not familiar to the GS ease of using the clasp to operate the dive extension and use this as a point against it compared to the Omega. Just push back in the locking clasp and see how easy the GS wet suit extension slides out, you can do this without even removing the watch from your wrist.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
I've been quite familiar with this clasp for years, function included. The problem is that it feels like tin foil compared to the Omega's clasp assembly. It's not an operation thing, it's a clear qualitative gap, and Omega has the edge. No big deal; the Grand Seiko still takes the comparison on charm. Best, Tim
@MrAdjaize
@MrAdjaize 5 жыл бұрын
I have that clasp on a Marine master 300 .Admittedly it is tinny ,but i adjust it several times a day to suit temperature changes ,the advantage comes from not needing to remove the watch to adjust it .If i had to remove my watch that many times a day to adjust the size ,i think it would drive me crazy and also eventually lead to me dropping it .
@udin737
@udin737 4 жыл бұрын
Auwww... 😁 But I love the Omega. Just not in orange colour. 😄
@samadrid6321
@samadrid6321 5 жыл бұрын
I vote for Omega. Both too big. Be nice to see them side by side in the metal.
@dunkeljoanito
@dunkeljoanito 5 жыл бұрын
8:08 are you sure the PO uses White gold hands and applied markers? Omega usually uses rhodium plated bronze....
@fluffyfreak505
@fluffyfreak505 5 жыл бұрын
Need a Godzilla watch while I watch Godzilla, in my Godzilla Nissan.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
GODZILLA!!! So you can Godzilla while you Godzilla, nice Jared! Thanks for watching! - WatchBox Team
@publiusvelocitor4668
@publiusvelocitor4668 5 жыл бұрын
Oh God, Grand Seiko, no contest. You're going to put a Co-Axial vs. a Hi-Beat? No chance. The Omega has a nice look, but for quality of finishing and the movement, it just can't compete.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Point taken! Thanks for your fedback! - WatchBox Team
@levedia
@levedia 5 жыл бұрын
Even the look this seiko kills that omega. cmon i love omega but this watch is not better looking than GS
@darood77
@darood77 5 жыл бұрын
@ Why?
6 жыл бұрын
Omega. It just looks more elegant :(
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
It's the better diver, to be sure. Also, I wanted to choose two watches of similar stature but distinctly different size in order to contrast on that point, too. The 45.5mm Planet Ocean would have been a perfect match for the Grand Seiko, but I wanted some diversity in the selection. Overall, the Omega is a better engineered product, but I simply like the Grand Seiko better: personal preference only. Best, Tim
@JohnSmith-rm7xk
@JohnSmith-rm7xk 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed that ending.
@Zblass
@Zblass 6 жыл бұрын
GS bracelet is very similar to speedmaster bands on modern models
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
In design, yes. In construction, the GS bracelet is far thinner. On the SBGH257, slimmer links helped to achieve a more comfortable fit than I expected for such a colossal watch. Best, Tim
@JupiterTarts
@JupiterTarts 3 жыл бұрын
Woooooow. So this is what this guy looks like.
@OPP841
@OPP841 3 жыл бұрын
The "Push" button on the clasp corrode???? Anyone notice it?
@rickbar123
@rickbar123 5 жыл бұрын
Omega please.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Nice choice, thanks for your feedback Rich! - WatchBox Team
@stevek8829
@stevek8829 5 жыл бұрын
Deeper than the crush depth of a nuclear sub. Is that really possible?
@siamwatchaddict9072
@siamwatchaddict9072 5 жыл бұрын
Godzilla all day long ...Great review..
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
GODZILLA! Thanks for watching! - WatchBox Team
@sailinbob11
@sailinbob11 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry,I've owned a Seiko turtle since 1984. Going in for service, I need a bezel ,so if you know where I can find 1 , I'd appreciate the info. That said , That money for a Seiko? For me ? Just not happening. My wife payed $180 for the turtle. Basically,36 years later,it's awesome. I'm looking Omega Planet Ocean, or Aqui-terra. Just because I like it. Not rocket science here. Just my opinion.
@mhasan3041
@mhasan3041 5 жыл бұрын
How much the price of Omega
@Ballad64
@Ballad64 5 жыл бұрын
GS all the way
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your Grand feedback! See what we did there? - WatchBox Team
@Flatbed102
@Flatbed102 5 жыл бұрын
GRAND SEIKO 👍🏼
@goranstanisavljevic5634
@goranstanisavljevic5634 4 жыл бұрын
Non. ROLEX Subariner or Sea dweller. But if I have to choose Omega Seamaster.
@NapoleonsTriumph
@NapoleonsTriumph 5 жыл бұрын
Can't say I like either of these two divers.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
That's totally fine, we encourage everyone to express their preference! Thanks for your feedback! - WatchBox Team
@levedia
@levedia 5 жыл бұрын
what do u like ?
@stevenuk
@stevenuk 5 жыл бұрын
both super watches... umm... a tough one... don't like the 46mm of the Godzilla.... but I am going Godzilla.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing, and I made the same choice! Both are tough, precise, and charismatic. Both offer more capability than I require. On that basis, I chose the one more charismatic and endearing: Grand Seiko. Best, Tim
@bubbab7792
@bubbab7792 5 жыл бұрын
Nicely done Mosso, I will always favor Grand Seiko. 👍
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Not a problem at all, to each their own! Thanks for your support Bubba! - WatchBox Team
@MaestroDeca
@MaestroDeca 4 жыл бұрын
In all the videos I've watched, you say you're an Omega guy, and always give it great advantages, but end up picking the other watch instead 😅
@Rockthespaceship
@Rockthespaceship 3 жыл бұрын
The Godzilla wins this one. If I owned one, I'd have the polished areas brushed.
@darood77
@darood77 5 жыл бұрын
GS for me. That Omega dial looks cheap.
@tantu2395
@tantu2395 4 жыл бұрын
Give Seiko more space time for development of "Grand" series. Meanwhile Omega still is a far better choice .😊
@kevhino260
@kevhino260 5 жыл бұрын
John Michael Osborne 👍🏻
@aivarb
@aivarb 3 жыл бұрын
The lume dot on the OPPOSITE end of the seconds hand in the Grand Seiko may confuse wearers when reading time in the dark. Bad design imo.
@aaronedgerton1843
@aaronedgerton1843 5 жыл бұрын
I agree Tim, I love the Seiko Diver design language combined with the Grand Seiko finishing and execution. Two thumbs up!
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your support Aaron! 👍👍 - WatchBox Team
@fjones1914
@fjones1914 4 жыл бұрын
I prefer the Omega.
@brianb572
@brianb572 6 жыл бұрын
Strongly disagree, Tim. The Omega PO is the winner. However I prefer the blue 42mm titanium version. Just try to get that GS serviced.
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Brian, I can understand this. Objectively, the Omega is a better product, and I tried to express that fact in the summary. The PO even costs - far - less money. But I liked the Grand better on this occasion, so I had to be honest about that. We sell far more Omega on the AD side of the company, and I'm sure that our Swatch account managers would have preferred I choose the Seamaster. Best, Tim
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
We did a Deepsea comparison a few weeks ago and pitted it against the Fifty Fathoms. We'll probably need to wait a while before revisiting that Rolex *OR* secure a 2018 model with the new caliber, bracelet, and case profile in order to consider it a new watch deserving of a clean-sheet comparison. Best, Tim
@highnrising
@highnrising 5 жыл бұрын
One would have to be on LSD to take that "Grand Seiko" over a Rolex Deep Sea.
@Chris-oz9qx
@Chris-oz9qx 5 жыл бұрын
GS are making it easier to service. Here In Bangkok, Seiko have taken over the previous dealer/franchise and have their own service center now.
@dukeofpearl
@dukeofpearl 5 жыл бұрын
O M E G A
@levedia
@levedia 5 жыл бұрын
grand Seiko for dress watches are better than OMEGA though. OMEGA'S Strength is Dive watches. In my opinion that is.
@fireflamefifa2-0
@fireflamefifa2-0 2 ай бұрын
GS always
@ramirorabagojr5238
@ramirorabagojr5238 4 жыл бұрын
Omega all the way
@highnrising
@highnrising 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not a huge Planet Ocean fan, but that Grand Seiko strikes me as a parody of a dive watch and a hideous one, at that. (Among the many idiocies of the watch is the seconds hand, where the "tail" or counterweight is more prominent than the supposed hand, itself.) Omega by a first-round KO. (Perhaps if I got to see and handle the Seiko in person, I'd appreciate the hand-worked details that you describe.)
@the1916companywatchreviews
@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын
That's why we do these, to encourage a healthy dialogue! Thanks for your thoughtful and detailed feedback! - WatchBox Team
@tiburciotabernilla7086
@tiburciotabernilla7086 5 жыл бұрын
Me too Sbga031
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