So, the "Essential Guide to Warfare" is the SW Bibble, aye?

That’s the one with the totally contradictory “turbo lasers fire hundreds of gigatons” nonsense.

@Gunnar001 It's Gigawatts, and it's actually not that insane. Given the nature of technology of Star Wars and the presence of Ether as a factor in physics it's plausable.

I thought he was going to say something else, caught me off guard. Whip out your coc

@@idleishde6124 Ether is more a marketing term for ship parts in Legends, not an actual thing, they are 100% in vacuum.

also fits the fascist undertones of the empire, as real life fascist regimes, as well as the nazis, often portrayed other nations and ethnicities as being hordes of disgusting barbarians with no culture or education given the empire kinda refers a lot to nazi/imperial japanese propaganda and beliefs, portraying foreigners as uncouth barbarians is something that's fairly fitting

First thing I thought of, as well!

I was thinking the same thing

In another work of fiction, the term barbarian is used to denote "less civilized" people, but is stated to be commonly used subjectively by the speaker. IE: Someone from Coruscant might refer to Naboo or Onderon as barbarian systems, while all of the previous would refer to Tatooine as barbarous. This has similar application to your explanation, while also potentially having the same context that Eliphaser brought up. "Barbarian" could mean any number of cultures... just not one as great and prosperous as "our" empire (and, thus, not worthy of peaceful negotiations).

Iirc it's for anyone who not speak either Greek or Roman. But yeah more or less it's what you said

100% this. Matches with the imperial/vong lore that had been set up at that point.

​@EternalEmperorofZakuul 100% unrelated to the vong we see in NJO. 4000 years in the past does not add up to what we see in NJO. It's more like that it was a separate scout ship of vong that entered the galaxy, and deemed it a lost cause and left. Later, 4000 years later, another vong colony enters a much different galaxy and deems it worthy of conquest.

Back when kids read books

I agree, doubly so because the Vong are *actually extra-galactic" whereas the Toff are just from the Unknown Regions.

​​​@@grannytoes7221how are the vong of 4k years ago not the same as the vong when they invaded? Is it not possible that their journey between the Galaxies would have taken more than 4k years? It would make sense for them to launch multiple scout ships at various directions hoping to find something for their nomad fleet especially if it's going to take a while to find anything. It's more likely that there are numerous vong probes scattered along the rim of the galaxy at least from the direction the vong were coming from. I read some ancient 2002 forum posts on how long it took them to reach. Seems inconclusive. Generations, 50 years, 1000 years and one report of a vong creature in the Galaxy 25k years ago. Was a fun but short read. For all we know the probe was a one off. Maybe they where investigating breaking out of their galaxy thousands of years ago and that probe happened to be the first object that they managed to send out successfully. Maybe it came from the fleet as a random scatter scout. But it's still related to the Vong. None of its really canon anyway I guess.

they might have also been using the time during the orbit to prep the gun. The charging sequence is probably much longer than the firing one.

Its said killing a Planet 24h rechare,killing ships 5min

Ssi-Ruuk version of the Death Star would be terrifying. You'd practically have to eat the population of the planet in order to fire the super laser.

Despite common opinion there were a lot of independent and semi-independent forces on outskirts of the Republic. Kaminoans for example lived in small satellite Galaxy, which is why they were off maps. And there was also at least one major rogue force in the same place. Though in this case. Palpatine did know about Vong/Grisk.

You know what? Palpatine thinking "oh, hey, these fuckers are land-locked because they are terrified of leaving their homeworlds and dying in non-consacrated planets. Let's blow their consacrated planets up. See how they like it" is very much in line with his previous exploits. In fact, throw in a "hey, give me your special life-sucking tech or I end your species in a single campaing of xenocide", which he would do anyways, and there you go. Instant Chad Sheev plot.

@@TheRezro True, bur Palp was making a deal with them, intentionally leaving Bakura and a bunch of other planets open so they could be consecrated. And right after Endor, he posts up, wins a few battles, loots their tech then blows up Bakura

@@javierlopezcoscojuela933 exactly! rspecially cause he made the death star right next door

It was in one of the technical guides, IIRC. The planet-killer laser could only fire once per day, but they included a lower setting for use against capital ships on DSII

I actually like that, it makes sense

​@draco84oz The DS1 hit Scarif with a "single reactor" shot, so it seems like it would be pretty easy to do, just don't turn on all of the generators, that way only a little power gets sent through

@@andrewbloom7694 The once per day thing is Legends.

@@andrewbloom7694 That did not destroy the planet like Jedha it only caused mass destruction but the planet was still there and still technically habitable but it was made extremally deadly to live on and part the world was missing. It would also still take a few hours to recharge the laser and you could not fire the planet destroying laser right after that.

I wonder if it would just go straight through? or maybe you'd risk igniting the gas giant an making you're self a nice short lived star

they were in orbit. Maybe the homing beacon didn't give them a pinpoint location until they reached the system, and once they did it pinged the 4th moon of Yavin. They were probably too close to blow up the gas giant safely so a shot to the moon would be not only safer but more practical. @@mathewadams4094

@@mathewadams4094 I don't think we'd expect a shot to go through, if the line of aim went through the rough centre of the planet. Unless things have changed, gas giants are generally assumed to have a solid core, right?

@@andymac4883 well yes but way deep down. From my minutes of googleing ;) looks like you could shoot through it for the most part. Just need to be careful of the bulleye if you know what i mean.... I wonder if the beam would arc because of the gravity too. I'm sure someones written a very silly paper on this

Nah, going by real world physics, the superlaser overcomes the gravitational binding energy of a planet, so it should affect a gas giant just fine.

That is an absolutely insane difference. Like going from flintlock to automatic rifles. Really makes the DS1 out as a prototype.

Did the 2nd death Star build while the first one still exists or it was a replacement because the first one is destroyed?

@@uthopia27 the emperor ordered the construction of the second death Star immediately after the destruction of the first

Death Star 2 was probably able to adjust and fine-tune the power output of its main weapon. Death Star 1 was all-or-nothing, at least in the original trilogy.

@@Mark-in8ju in Rogue One, the first death Star could tune the energy output of it's super laser to be either more or less destructive

There's the whole thing with Zonama Sekot that happened when Anakin was still a child/padawan. I think that's where Palpatine got his initial info about it, then contact with the Chiss likely gave him clearer information. Then there's Ssi-Ruuk, if they'd gotten their foothold at Bakura they could have been an issue for the pre-militarized galaxy.

Zhan has admitted he originally wanted the Grysks in the Legends books, but he had to adapt their plotline to the new canon when they reset the timeline.

Nah, I'm pretty sure Outbound Flight has them be the Vong in all but name

@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 Grisk are Vong. Someone can interpret them as vanguard infiltrators, who were probing Republic, around same time as Clone Wars did take place. Zhan used opportunity to fix big problem of Vong being overpowered, with them using intimidation practices and propaganda, to pretend that they were stronger then actually were. They main advantage was use of alternative drive what allow them movement outside hyperlines, though not as fast as hyperdrive. So they could strike with massive armada places considered as safe and secluded. Even if in reality they weren't nowhere as OP as Vong in Legends (what are Legends after all).

@@TheRezro The only thing the Grysk have in common with the Vong is that they are invaders from outside the main galaxy. The most important characteristic of the Vong is their technophobia, the Grysk have no qualms using technology, the Vong are cut off from the force, the Grysk can still be sensed by force users and they can be affected by force-based attacks, the Vong are masochists that love inflicting pain, the Grysk are just assholes, the Vong come from outside the galaxy, the Grysk come from the Unknown Regions. Where are you getting that the Vong had an alternative method to hyperspace?

Yep it is a moon of a gas giant those things get massive.

Tarkin could've used a Scarif-power shot if they could target the Massassi base directly, but that might've meant waiting for the moon to rotate, or for the DS to move into orbit around Yavin IV, wasting precious time in which the Rebels could make a run for it. A full-power shot, on the other hand, takes care of the base and the Rebel Scum infesting it no matter where it is on the moon.

Earth like gravity can be misleading, as we don't know the composition of the moon's structure. If the moon had a platinum core instead of a iron core like earth, you could get away with roughly earth's moon in size with earth's gravity.

@@simonwinn8757 I don't think it is the size of Earth's Moon. Remember this is a gas giant moon we are looking out. Naturally it is going to be much larger than the moons of molten planets. It needs to be too to have the magnetic field to contain an atmosphere.

@@simonwinn8757 okay, that's true, we don't know its composition. However, even if it had a solid platinum core that would still make the mass closer to Earth's mass (though not quite as much because of the smaller diameter) and so would still need a closer to full power shot because of the gravitational binding energy of the platinum core compared to a similarly sized iron one. Somebody could, if they wanted to, do the math to put together a chart of planet size to density with the line of Earth surface gravity. (as well as note the gravitational binding energy so we know how much energy is required to blow it up) However, I don't think that's needed to say, "if you can walk around on the surface of a body like you can on Earth then the Deathstar probably needs a full powered shot to blow it up". But that's me *shrug*

And the one TIE fighter ramming into Vader to knock Vader off course?

​@@toddkes5890That was probably the Force (or Obi's force ghost) saving Luke's butt.

The hydrogen in Yavin could have never fused, it was too cold and too thin for fusion to occur.

@@durshurrikun150 Yavin was in the Goldie locks position in it's solar system, I doubt it was cold at all. May have been to warm for hydrogen to exist in a stable state though. The power in the Death Star's superlaser would have caused some of the hydrogen in it's path to fuse. We use lasers now to try to make fusion power plants work - something like that superlaser would have been enough to cause hydrogen to fuse on contact.

@@krisgonynor689 You don't understand physics. It is beyond stupid to confront the climate of a terrestrial earth like moon like Yavin 4, which is primarily made of rocks with a metal core with volatiles making a small part of its mass with a gas giant primarily made of hydrogen and helium. It would still be colder than Yavin 4, due to Yavin having an higher albedo, meaning less absorption of radiation. Second, the average temperature of Yavin would go from 180 K to 293 K, which is far far below the temperature required for hydrogen fusion. Not to mention that hydrogen fusion also requires huge pressures. So no, the death would not cause some of the hydrogen to fuse, not to mention that the experiment set up in real life test labs only work with tritium and deuterium and they work on a small scale. the best the death star can do is temporarily heat up a very small part of Yavin's atmosphere which would then cool again by radiating energy into space and in the mixing of the planet's atmosphere.

They are in books under name Grisk

I want to see the Vong in a Doom 2016 style Dark Forces entry. Where Kyle just rips and tears.

@@TheRezro but is that live action?

Definitely R-rated

Of course the Tof were scary. 2.5 meters tall, ate lightning, crapped thunder... Wait, that was Rocky Balboa, except for the height thing.

Yeah the lightsaber thing is a tiny issue I have with TLJ when Kylo does a quick on/off to kill the guard behind him. They could've just had it take a couple of seconds longer and it would still have been cool.

This has been mentioned as a technique that existed, but was really hard to do because if you got it wrong, you left yourself *way* open, and then you're toast

There’s a difference between the Holdo Manoeuvre and what happened at Pammant. At Pammant, the thing that actually dealt the damage was the Battlecruiser’s reactor detonating, not the actual kinetic energy.

@@arandomperson7713 I sure hope so

The big energy yields were Curtis Saxton's thing, right?

@@TheKatamariguy I mean the whole book was Saxton on text, but yes he's famous for big yields. Which I mean kinda sorta are demonstrated on screen but at the same time you can't always be consistent about that.

@@TheKatamariguyHe wanked numbers so hard it was hilarious. Completely unsupported onscreen.

The Ssi-Ruuk work more because Palpatine is making crap up to justify continuing the military buildup. He let the fluties attack Imperial worlds as part of a deal he made with them so he knows they exist,

Well, it was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away... the rebellion doesn't exist anymore.

Death Star 2 was probably able to adjust and fine-tune the power output of its main weapon. Death Star 1 was all-or-nothing, at least in the original trilogy.

@@Mark-in8ju We have absolutely no reason to suppose the DS in the original movie was "all or nothing". We also have no reason to suppose it wasn't. It simply isn't covered. All we know is that the station has enough power to destroy a planet.

​@@Daniel-Strain It was stated in one of the companion booklets that detailed the Death Star, the SD-01 Technical Readout or something like that. Rogue One retconned a strict interpretation, at least. It's possible that the Death Star 2 was *more* flexible, perhaps by having banks of capacitors instead of just one, or simply using its larger size for more redundancy. (and that book also mentions that another key factor is that the DS2 had much better targeting and 'beam steering' mechanisms so it could actually *hit* something as small and maneuverable as a capital ship, since Palpatine eventually realized that being able to shoot at ships would be handy.)

@@basedeltazero714 Oh that's interesting. I hadn't realized a tech book had specifically stated DS1 was all or nothing. Point taken, although like you said, we now know more from Rogue One. Thanks for the info!

Death Star 2 was probably able to adjust and fine-tune the power output of its main weapon. Death Star 1 was all-or-nothing, at least in the original trilogy.

I think it more means in terms of dedicated warships, cause the Acclamator’s primary role is transport

@@justintaylor1713 I only more say that because they were the main ships we see first deployed during attack of the clones when the clone army came down

Those were more oversized troop transports than warships. They were well armed for their role, but nowhere near a proper warship of comparable size much less a star destroyer, nor was it large enough to be classed as a star destroyer

It has engines along it's equator.

@@ChakatBlackstar like mentioned in the ANH Crosssection Book :D