OP-Z: Sampling Explained!

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Teenage Engineering updates the OP-Z to now have sampling features internally. And we want to know, How does it work? What's the workflow? And how useful is it? In this in depth look at sampling on the OP-Z, Ollie Loops has coverage you can count on.
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@chikapunk4340 5 жыл бұрын

Very helpful. Just to say, congratulations on your first thousand subscribers!

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for your comment. And thanks for your support!!!

@surajshyamalan3434 5 жыл бұрын

Great structured explanation, thank you!

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for your comment. Much appreciated!

@grantcarrillo6564 5 жыл бұрын

Another great video!

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@inventanew 5 жыл бұрын

12:41 I thought I was doing something wrong with sampling, but your video confirmed my issues, I hope they do a major official release with a more simplified workflow, such potential

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for your comment. I agree and hope that they improve some of the features of sampling on the OPZ. It could be so much better!

@ZakNicola 2 жыл бұрын

The presentation made me smile

@OllieLoops 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@crazygamingswede 4 жыл бұрын

Really liked the vid. Very informative! Fingersnapping was annoying though when trying to listen to what you were saying. Anyway, keep up the great work!

@OllieLoops 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your feedback. We were having some fun with the finger snapping, but I understand your point. Thanks!

@thomasdavis8722 3 жыл бұрын

Been watching vids on this thing for the past coyple days and ive been impressed but still iffy on whether or not to get it. But seeing the sampling capabilities im sold.

@OllieLoops 3 жыл бұрын

Sampling does make it more fun to use.

@patrickmcnaryhayes545 4 жыл бұрын

Loved the thorough review. Been using sampling for awhile and still got some great tips and reminders. The test tone engaged by hitting track while in sample mode is not at all a gimmick however. When on the white keys all play the sample at the "set" pitch which if you listen to and tune to 440 makes it so that when you hit an A on the keyboard after leaving sample mode its sounding a true A 440khz, that way you can play well with friends. Try it with things that aren't necessarily tonal and use your ear for fun.

@OllieLoops 4 жыл бұрын

Patrick McNary Hayes good tip. Thanks.

@mikabreto 3 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the Casio SK series and sample tune with the A=440Hz playing while you adjust up or down. [Lion roar, dog bark]

@GiriGagan 3 жыл бұрын

Could you please please, elaborate this a bit? I know it’s a been a year since your comment, I hope that you get this reply and somehow time stretches to accommodate my query!

@Val_Cla 5 жыл бұрын

Those new features might be the jump for me to get an Opz. Been looking at it for quite some time, and now i really think it would be worth it ^^

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for your comment. Yes, these new features do make the unit more compelling. Let me know what you decide.

@Val_Cla 5 жыл бұрын

@@OllieLoops sure man ! i'll let you know :) Btw nice content you have ^^ count me among your 1k subs :D

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

@@Val_Cla Thanks!! I really appreciate the support!

@quinchen5224 4 жыл бұрын

I also want to know how to copy and paste the sample to another track.

@randommcranderson5155 3 жыл бұрын

I have an adapter that will split the TRSS into separate mic and earphone jacks. I want to sample directly into the device from a synth output. Will a line level output work? I'm worried about damaging the op-z with line level voltage - should I stick with a headphone out from the synth?

@OllieLoops 3 жыл бұрын

Officially, the OPZ can’t accept line level. Even the headphone output is closer to line level than mic level. You run the risk of damaging it if you run those signals into the device. A work around would be to get a USB interface, run a line level signal into it, then sample the signal via USB on the interface. Hope that helps.

@ragazzometallico 5 жыл бұрын

Hi, on the OP1 it's possible to sample any source without having to press the record button. You simply need to press "shift + a keyboard key" (while in synth or drum sampler) and it will go in standby mode, waiting for an input sound. I'm not sure about the OPZ as I don't own one, but give it a try :) . About your copy and paste problem, if I understood correctly what you meant, it should be just like as on the PO33: pressing and holding a step containing a sample will copy it to memory, pressing an empty step will paste it. Anyway, in my opinion the OPZ came out "incomplete", and it's a real shame. It's a beautiful item, but since its main purpose is sequencing (possibly other gear), the lack of i\o inserts is a pretty big deal. Selling a module is pointless, as it should have been integrated into the machine from the beginning. Plus lack of screen and \ or an android app is the cherry on top. I'm a huge TE fan, but I don't see myself buying an OPZ pretty soon, a PO33 is a better companion for the OP1 than the OPZ, specially considering the price.

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, great comment. Thank you! 100% agreement! First, on the OPZ sampling copy and paste stuff, I'll give that a try. The Shift + keyboard trick didn't work on the OPZ. But good to know on the OP1. Regarding the OPZ and your comment, I think you're spot on. It was over promised and underdelivered. And that is a shame, not just for the devices potential, but for the price point and value to the end users. If it were $300, I would say, its a tremendous value. But with the little shortcomings and lack of being fully resolved, it doesn't work well for me personally.

@flatlandrecordingsflr7304 4 жыл бұрын

Hello, Tried for days now, really struggling to use my Samsung S8 to output audio to the OPZ in sample mode. Been to Samsung shop, I have my audio output settings on my phone to OPZ via Samsung Smart Things, have USB configuration in Developer Settings to output Audio via USB and sound doesnt leave phone via the speaker or the headphone port when settings are like this, so audio is leaving phone via the usb c port but OPZ does not seem to think that is the default audio input, it still only listens via built in mic or earphones mic when engaged. Thoughts? Has anyone else successfully used sample mode direct from Samsung S8 into OPZ? My girlfriends Android phone, Huawei P30 works instantly, no settings changed, just the same usb c to usb c and straight away I can sample digital audio into the OPZ, I just need to do the same on my Samsung S8. Do I need a USB OTG cable? Or a seperate app that reroutes the audio leaving my phone or tells the OPZ it is slave to listen not my phone listen to audio FROM OPZ via USB (I dont know if it is doing this however). I am on latest firmware on both OPZ and phone. Help needed pls Thanks Myles

@hiphopblues 4 жыл бұрын

Hi, very informative and helpful. Could you sample using a USB turntable?

@OllieLoops 4 жыл бұрын

Great question. I don't have a USB turntable on hand to try. If the community knows, please comment here. Otherwise, I'll try to find about and report back. Thanks.

@pixsled 2 жыл бұрын

Hey what is the case which the op z was in at the beginning of the video, it looks nice. thanks.

@OllieLoops 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, is from a company called Digi Toys. They had a project called Zeta, which included the OP-Z case. You may still be able to get one.

@pixsled 2 жыл бұрын

@@OllieLoops Thanks!

@pongtrometer 5 жыл бұрын

I hope the drum/synth engine samplers on both the #OP1 and #OPZ have time-stretch capabilities in future updates 🤓

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for your comment! That is a great suggestion. I hope that happens!

@naumchomsky8840 5 жыл бұрын

This, and I'm also hoping for internal re-sampling like on the digitakt.

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

@@naumchomsky8840 yes! Great Point!

@alyeska4226 4 жыл бұрын

@@naumchomsky8840 I saw a video where the cat was resampling, and latched rec while doing so.

@mfultimate 4 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know what the morse code says?

@rackadactal4466 Жыл бұрын

Sample from the po-33 to the Z and sampling from the mic and edit the sample into the DAW to lightly clean up the samples I’d say the possibility are many. Really miss my op1 tho , because it did everything that I wanted ended up selling it because it was the first generation and firmware was always crashing on me in the middle of projects so I sold it 😢it was the worst thing I’ve ever done equipment wise but the Z is $800 less expensive and adding a po-33 will be a good thing

@OllieLoops Жыл бұрын

Good info. Thanks for sharing.

@alecsbuga 5 жыл бұрын

Use the OPZ app and the Configurator menu to copy samples from one track to another. Keep in mind that slice points are shared across tracks. Also in drum mode if you sample a one bar loop precisely it will be chopped in 16ths and 8ths across the keys. Like the OP1 did. Useful. Because you can then fill a bar with steps and basically time stretch the old fashioned way. I wish they had threshold recording or trimming so you can have perfect slices. But I'm happy with the way it is right now. I'm hoping for an audio card module though

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for that info. Follow up question, using the Configurator will allow you to assign the User Sample Pack on other tracks, correct? But theres no way to copy and paste a sample on the OP-Z, correct?

@alecsbuga 5 жыл бұрын

Ollie Loops none that I know of :(

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

@@alecsbuga Thanks Alex. Let me know if you discover the secret recipe.

@Khordmaster 5 жыл бұрын

Nice tip here bro. So if I were to sample a 1 bar loop, I would have to try to start it at the same moment I start recording for it to be chopped close to perfect right? There's no way to have it start recording once it hits a threshold?

@mikabreto 3 жыл бұрын

@@Khordmaster if the software allowed for that, it would be able to. Maybe in a firmware update. BTW, how long before we start seeing homebrew firmwares?

@magnetoclash 2 жыл бұрын

Does the Line module change your opinions about sampling on Opz?

@OllieLoops 2 жыл бұрын

I believe it adds the ability to sample from a line level input.

@stgflt 4 жыл бұрын

Haven't tried it yet, but the Zoom H-recorders should work both over USB and the TRRS and provide pretty good fidelity while being portable.

@OllieLoops 4 жыл бұрын

Hey, good insight. Drop a comment if you get a chance to try it and let us know how it goes.

@ThaddeusV21 4 жыл бұрын

I have a Zoom H6, are you saying we can record from usb c to the native micro usb input foind on the Zoom's?

@squirrelvalhalla9386 4 жыл бұрын

I have an H6 too. Havent tried USB to OPZ yet... but just running it via a TRRS adapter, it sounds beautiful. Have used it for several tracks thus far.

@mystificateur 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. Great work! You speak a little bit too fast for me lol so I had to press BACK a few times! There is a lot useful information packed in there :)

@OllieLoops 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I know it’s a bit fast, but it’s there if you need to rewatch it. It’s hard to find the perfect balance between too slow and too fast. I’ll keep working on it. Thanks again.

@JoramMachtSachen 4 жыл бұрын

Just use a Y TRRS cable splitting headphones from microphone and plug in any mic or line in. i use that to connect any mic to ipad/iphone and such an adapter costs just a few bucks

@nacs 4 жыл бұрын

The problem is that line-level input will destroy your hardware since the OPZ's TRRS port only allows *Mic*-level in. This warning about destroying hardware is on the manual

@bagoftrix 4 жыл бұрын

nacs how does it destroy it exactly? Isn’t it just a volume thing? I use a similar adapter to sample with my iPhone using the trrs mic input and wondered what line input vs mic input matters, didn’t know it could be harmful.

@mikabreto 3 жыл бұрын

Line level signals are approximately one volt. Mic level signals are in the range of 0.001 volts, or 1,000 times less voltage. You can reduce the voltage of a line level signal by using an attenuator or a DI (Direct Injection) box.

@diejaycee 5 жыл бұрын

You can use USB to sample from your phone, that makes the usb audio input pretty awesome for me.

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for your comment. Can you tell me a bit about your setup and how youre able to sample off your phone?

@dreamlogic1563 5 жыл бұрын

Ollie Loops yep same here. You can count my iPhone to my mobile dawless setup now together with the OP-Z. Just connect the iPhone via the Apple Camera Connector directly to the OP-Z and you have nearly unlimited sample opportunities from different Apps, KZfaq, Spotify etc. with a pretty great workflow in my opinion!

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

@@dreamlogic1563 Thanks for that. So it's just plug and play, no settings to adjust? I'll have to get one of those adapters. Thanks for the info!

@dreamlogic1563 5 жыл бұрын

Ollie Loops correct - as soon as the iphone is connected the OP-Z switches to USB-C sample mode and you can start sampling . I loved the OP-Z before but this opened a new world of creativity on the go for me.

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

@@dreamlogic1563 Thanks! Good info.

@houseofflambeau9656 4 жыл бұрын

Trrs adapter. Just get the correct one and you got line in. There are 3 different kinds.

@GiriGagan 3 жыл бұрын

The is a guy on Etsy called “digdug diy” he makes an adapter for the op-z, to convert the trrs into an individual input (mono) and stereo output. I am using this and it works rather beautifully.

@0oSiLveRo0 5 жыл бұрын

I really don't care about OP-1 compability, as I don't own one and I'm not planning getting one for 1400 EUR. I think they said a sampler module is not out of the question later. The PO-33 style copy paste is feasible for sure from a tech standpoint, since it doesn't take up additional space to have the same user sample in multiple plugs across multiple instruments, we can safely assume that they are stored in a similar way, UX is a bit harder on that one though. I think the line-in functionality was supposed to be achieved via a simple TRRS splitter and some people are having success using one as a line in. Would it be different form op1 line in, if you just had to use a splitter for line in functionality? Overall, I'm really happy with this update.

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for your comment. To clarify our point, it shouldn't be necessary to purchase an OP-1 (or module) to get further sampling functionality on the OP-Z, it just would have been nice because many people already own both units. After all, some people did pay almost $2000 for both units. Since both units have their strengths, using them together would make them a powerful duo, at least in theory. The TRRS input is not an easy item to resolve. After spending 4+ hours trying every method, cable, adopter and setting combination, we had little success getting anything useful from this input. We didn't try every solution available, but we did try several at our disposal. There are some technical reasons why a line level input is superior to a mic level input, which is its input gain. Microphones require more gain than line level inputs. So, although you can get a line level signal to work on a mic input, its just not as good as having a dedicated line level input because you get more headroom from a line level signal. Usually there needs to be a transistor or other component to change the signal's gain from mic to line. In principle, a splitter will still be expecting to see a mic level signal. As mentioned in the video, an iRig interface, which would convert the signal before it enters the OP-Z, theoretically is a possible solution. But as a whole, the TRRS input requires more research and testing to come up with a useable solution. And in short, if it's too complicated for most users, then maybe it wasn't implemented well.

@0oSiLveRo0 5 жыл бұрын

@@OllieLoops Thanks for the clarification on the mic level input, I didnt know that.

@OllieLoops 5 жыл бұрын

@@0oSiLveRo0 no worries!

@DarioMiticocchio 4 жыл бұрын

Module with also more storage (or an SD card), and a button on the side to have multiple pages of samples

@OllieLoops 4 жыл бұрын

That would be a good addition to this device.

@DarioMiticocchio 4 жыл бұрын

@@OllieLoops yep, if I buy an additional module I should get good value out of it 😉

@MyNameJeff.. Ай бұрын

How tf do you select i out source? I’m following the manual, holding play - 1,2 or 3. It won’t let me. This thing is infuriating.

@CyberCreeper22 4 жыл бұрын

could a usb c to mic input adapter work?

@OllieLoops 4 жыл бұрын

good question! I haven't tried it, but if anyone in the community knows, please comment. Thanks

@CyberCreeper22 4 жыл бұрын

@@OllieLoops Im going to buy one right now op-z in bag I will report back

@OllieLoops 4 жыл бұрын

@@CyberCreeper22 Awesome. Thanks.

@CyberCreeper22 4 жыл бұрын

@@OllieLoops update none of the store near me had it Ill need to find someone who has amazon prime but I did have an idea Ill need your help with if you wanna slide into them dms

@jospehbloseph7172 3 ай бұрын

This doesnt seem to work anymore, or a step is missing. When i choose the spot to sample in, following the tutorial, I chose bass (B) and then i hold track and the numbered slots are full, of bass stuff, weird. Something is off

@OllieLoops 3 ай бұрын

Like your sample slots are full?

@jospehbloseph7172 3 ай бұрын

@@OllieLoops it appears so on the bass track. I was able to figure out what i was doing wrong. I just got it Saturday. Thanks for responding, your videos have been helpful.

@carlos_martinezzz 3 жыл бұрын

I have an Android phone and works perfect connected via USB C. I didn't have to set anything on my phone or the OP-Z. It worked instantly. I have to use a usb c adapter for the included OP-Z cable.

@OllieLoops 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that info. It sounds like Android is plug and play.

@poorrichard1321 3 жыл бұрын

If you dont mind, which adapter are you using? I have a s20 and just bought a 3.1 usb-c adapter and i have no connection.

@OllieLoops 3 жыл бұрын

@@poorrichard1321 Hey, in my case, I have an iPhone and I'm using Apple's camera connection kit. But for an Andriod, you should be able to connect via USB-C to the OPZ. I would assume there are some settings on the phone to change to make the OPZ a sound card for the phone. You could also try testing communication via the Android app. Give those a try and let me know if you have any success.

@carlos_martinezzz 3 жыл бұрын

@@poorrichard1321 I already had these and worked perfectly. Also I use them to connect a midi keyboard to the OP-Z. www.amazon.com.mx/dp/B01EL4PVFE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_XNfLFb5JYN5Q9 I have a budget phone (ZTE Blade V10).

@poorrichard1321 3 жыл бұрын

@@OllieLoops I appreciate your response! I feel ive exhausted every setting in this phone. The op-z is showing usb in the app in sample mode, but when monitoring nothing happens like it does when sampling from my laptop. Ive even gone into deeper developer options. My next step is is a usb c to trs adapter (w/ dac), to trrs splitter cable. Ive been at this about 4 or 5 days strait thinking that there has to be a solution. Again, thanks for your help!

@samhermans 4 жыл бұрын

Heh, just mount op-z in content mode and manage samples from there ? You can use any sound file? Op1.fun ?

@OllieLoops 4 жыл бұрын

Although this is possible, I think the point is to sample content within the device. But arguably, dropping samples into the OPZ via computer is relatively convenient and straight forward. Plus you can source plenty of user samples.

@Pedroelgroing 4 жыл бұрын

Just use a cheap usb c dongle with mic in like this one, works perfectly and that way you are not blocking the headphone out www.amazon.com/dp/B07KPLDJ18/