There was a point in time where a gaming mouse had weights 😂

I used to work for a local retailer that stocked Finalmouse. Eventually we had to drop them completely, as they would outright ignore our warranty claims from them and we eventually had to compensate customers out of pocket.

Man all your videos lately have been incredible. Love this content! Time to add another mouse to my collection

This man needs supply of every brand to do reviews of new products. Always good information in such a short time and high quality production and interesting content.

Love how you are never satisfied and looking for better testing techniques. Keep up the amazing work.

the production quality and amount of raw testing is absolutely incredible

Man, i really love this videos, without a doubt my favorite Content Creator in the entire spectrum, bought my ultralight and can’t wait to be receive it in November, have never been this excited before

I’ve never considered Finalmouse as an option as it’s pretty much impossible to get my hands on them. Hopefully they add some transparency on when the next batch will be available if it’s truly continuous production.

By "continually available," you mean exactly the same as we had before, but the [Buy] button stays lit with a constant sold out. Got it. Yeah that's totally different. 😂

Wow this quality of work is awesome Ali keep it up !

I’ll acknowledge these products exist when FinalMouse stops using scarcity as a selling point. The company has said before that they’re “stepping up production” just for products to continue to be extremely limited, so I have no reason to think of them as an actual brand worth considering.

Your videos look like legit movies, that's how good the editing and production quality is. Marvellous work.

you got my sub for having the new finalmouse before i did. been wondering where that order is. good vids man. keep it up

Your attention to detail with testing is insane. Not to discount LTT but when you’re comparing budgets you are doing far more with far less in terms of resources. Thank you for doing this for the community.

I’ve been watching you since when you first started talking about the ncase m1. You have gotten better and better. quality, information, testing methods, you always go above and beyond for each video. You’ve opened my eyes to many different niches of the pc world and I can’t wait to see what you post next.

Your test of two "identical" mice being different makes sense and it would actually be pretty awesome if you provided data on variance between mice that are supposed to be the same. Hardware works within tolerances, and it would be nice to know which companies are responsible about consistency.

Get this man to a million! Great video, quality and attention to detail is great

Optimum really loves doing youtube and it shows. Thank you for doing so much work to entertain and inform us, Ali.

your commitment to continousley improving your testing is insane. can't wait to get my hands on the ULX when it finally ships

Thank you for the continuous quality of the videos! You deserve waaaaay more subscribers than you currently have. This mouse looks like the one I might buy if your mouse doesn't come out in 2024 :D once again, thank you and keep these videos coming! Best wishes from Lithuania

awesome video man! your testing is getting so much better with every video

Awesome vid. The Ultralight X is way out of my price range but that xlat graph showing the latencys was incredible. I was planning on picking up a G-Wolves HSK pro but seeing the HSK + at the bottom of that list is making me reconsider. Especially at the price point...

was waiting for this video for a long time and now im giga hyped for the mouse. thank you for the video.

i swear how do you improve every single video so much easily the best reviewing channel on youtube

Definitely nice that we can see accurate mouse comparisons in terms of click latency. Although I don't think that the click delay is that important (as long as it is consistent and not constantly changing), I am looking forward to the sensor testing the most. Polling stability/wireless stability and sensor delay are the most important things to be able to test IMO. It's the main thing you "feel" when playing in-game. Also not sure how the XLAT would be able to record sensor latency without a reference of what the sensor is trying to record.

found your channel yesterday, now my favorite content creator!👍

I've been watching his videos since years ago, I'm so sad that it somehow unsubscribed me there's no way i did that while noticing. Absolutely my favourite out of everyone - extremely professional; filming, colour grading, data and analytics, sumary and breakdown etc. Can't wait for you to hit 1m and beyond!

Finally a continous production Finalmouse product Been waiting forever

Not having a software running in the background is a nice thing. But the web configurator has 2 issues: if they release a new version you are forced to use it no matter what and if they shut down service you cannot configure your mouse anymore.

You were the inspiration for me to buy the Wooting 60HE, the keyboard I'm using to type this message. Your work is peak levels of professionalism and accuracy.

How the fuck have I never heard of you before? You’re by far the best mouse review channel I’ve ever seen. You’ve taken this so far that you ended up creating your own mouse.. just wow man, keep doing you.

The amount of work put into those videos is absolutely insane

Extraordinarily informative! Thank you for your diligence, skepticism, and attention to detail!

Cannot get enough of your reviews and content

It would be really cool to see a deep dive test in regards to how much mouse weight actually matters and how big of a difference it makes past the initial adjustment phase. I feel that most mice are already so light, that the small decreases in weight we now see likely make no big difference in performance, outside of placebo. Again, would love to see the actual benifits of a lighter mouse that you won't get with a slightly heavier mouse, once you've adjusted your plaustyle to the heavier/lighter weight.

you should build your mod kit for the ULX not for production or a drop but just for yourself personally and make a vid on it ! Awesome video as usual! you’re the best out there right now!

i think you still need to include gpx superlight gen1/v1 in chart, due to still many gamers outhere using it.

this is the kind of testing I was expecting from the LTT lab but ya all know what we got. This is the quality I'm looking for in reviews. Keep up the good work

Good luck getting one. First drop was August 1st, and we are still waiting for them to ship out...

The effort you put into variable isolation alone makes your testing some of the best on this site

Happy to see you got your copy and thanks for sharing! I'm still waiting for the Tiger (large) to be released. From the outline that I've seen, it's nearly identical in size and shape of my copies of the GPX Superlight! 👍😎 For my hands, the medium Finalmouse is a little too small for a proper grip and putting grip tape all over it to make it bigger is a little crazy.

For once, a Finalmouse seems worth the premium cost

it's good that you mentioned that the software is done through a website. this honestly should be the new standard when it comes to peripheral settings just like how you can customize the wooting keyboard with their website. obviously im not saying to completely get rid of downloadable software but its so nice to have a plug n play type of peripheral and be able to easily change the settings through a website. makes things so much easier and convenient

Just a question, does the new Final Mouse have similar problems as the previous Final Mouse's? Like mouse inputs when nothing is happening.

Excellent review as always! I was so busy watching you slay the entire enemy team at 8:30 I had to restart that section 🤣

This is the video I wanted. I recently got G-Wolves HSK Pro 4K, and I had my eyes on the UX since I'm currently switching to fingertip. I really like the HSK and I wanted a feedback on the UX before committing to getting a small variant. Good to see you are really positive about it.

This is why you are the best, go above and beyond in testing and I love it!

Holy... the production value of these videos is insane!

i wonder how the QC is. i've had 3 finalmice and every single one had some kind of issue.

never skipping optimums videos. congrats on becoming t500

im strongly considering getting the x2h mini. are the quality control issues rare in the updated x2h version, or just as common as in the original x2 version? please help thanks.

would love to see Pulsar's latest mice using the XLAT to see how they stack up against the best. I currently main a Pulsar X2H Mini with the 4k dongle (running at 2k).

The web browser based software is awesome, but does it work offline or with a saved version of the webpage?

Its funny that back in the days mice had extra storage with small weights you could put in to tune the mouse to your liking. And today they honeycomb the outer shell as much as possible to get the weight as low as possible.

Finalmouse fails where it counts. Can't actually buy the thing.

Hi @optimum, do you notice a difference with wireless dongles being plugged in directly into the computer vs being extended with a cable to be closer at the mousepad? I've seen some discussion about this since the signal might be travelling faster through air than through the cable.

I switched to a Pulsar Xlight V2 mouse (55gram, 20000 DPI sensor) about a year and a half ago and for the price I think they are hard to beat. I like the shape, the buttons and scroll wheel last and battery life is good when off the cord.

This new mouse looks excellent, but honestly I'm more excited for reviewers having more objective tools to test mice across the full price range. Given Finalmouse's click tensioning claims, I'd also like to see click force/distance plotting for different mice with the average actuation points displayed alongside.

Been waiting for mine since it dropped, can’t wait

I've had the TenZ starlight mouse since it released, and I'm excited they are bringing back the large size that my original sunset had.

This guy is an actual gaming tech giga chad. Love your work!

How is the battery? With my superlight i can charge in 1-2h and not bother for 5-7 days.

Gosh your videos are always so amazing.

Where does the viper mini signature compare on click latency i don’t think I saw it on the list of other mice? Thanks

A full sized gaming mouse that weighs less than 40 grams is insane, the crazy weight savings.

Great video as always! If you are going to be constant soldering I recommend you the Pinecil, it's a Risc V powered open source soldering iron, it costs like 30 bucks, and it's a beast for it's size! You can also power it with a powerbank! Hope it works for you!

Thank you for the video. It's good information. Also, can you tell me which gaming sleeves you are using? Thanks in advance.

I got my order in for that first batch, can’t wait to try it out and compare it to my current mouse the Logitech super light 1.

My main criticism of this video is how you lowballed both G-Wolves, Lamzu, and Glorious(shocker one too) whether it was unintentional or not. Most people who buy these mice set their debounce a lot lower, so testing it at 0-2 ms debounce makes sense. I have never heard of someone using a Lamzu Atlantis at the default debounce at 12 ms. Also, I’m 100% sure those Chinese mice you tested are not their latest/pro version. The Lamzu Atlantis you tested was the compx mcu and not the pro version using the Nordic one. Also, the 4k version of the G-Wolves mice at 4k should be on par with Razer and Logitech.

I wish he would talk about why the Zaunkoenig M2K has, by far, the lowest click latency, which would be because their switches are using latch debouncing, something I wish more reviewers would talk about. Also, Finalmouse was not the first to implement a web interface for their mouse management software. Atompalm was.

viper mini signature edition or WHATEVER THAT THING IS. Nice, Optimum!

Thanks Ali ! I use a Logitech G PRO X Superlight 2 . Also Using a Corsair Large sized claw grip,and a Handshoe mouse in right Large.

finally, the mouse i've been waiting for

Excelelnt video but as some constructive criticism in future I think it would be better to perform tests using the lowest debounce settings for all mice. This would give a more accurage display of click latency as I think most people are adjusting their settings on their mice if they are buying from brands like Pulsar, G-Wolves and Lamzu. These are quite niche brands which are bought primarily by enthusiasts who are more likely to understand mice settings.

That thumb hook sleeve you wear when showing the demo's looks so nice, where did you get it??

Regarding movement latency, I have a concern with starting the motion from standstill. It could have different results depending on the software implementation, the latency could be different in motion. The difference with static friction and dynamic friction of the mouse skates and mouse pad together with tolerances could affect the result too. So I what I would recommend instead is something like moving the mouse on one axis and then adding motion on another axis and measuring the latency of when the motion changes. Or sudden (de)acceleration on the same direction. This is more realistic for a situation of continuously tracking a target.

Thanks for another quality review, you are my go-to tech guy on youtube by now, and that by a large margin :) Did you ever think about setting up a website, condensing the information regarding recommendations you made for a quick access? So far, basically independent of product class, your reviews have been so relatable and in-depth that I would love being able to just have a quick look on a list based on your conclusions and just buy a whole setup on that basis lol Edit: Just thought about it and kinda came to the conclusion, that it might be unrewarding not even being able to reap the youtube monetization, regarding the time, effort and money you put in your reviews. Sorry if that might've been a selfish request, did not really think that through :p

My favorite software was Pulsar's. You open it really fast, you click what you need and you close it. End of story. Web browser is cool, but they need to make it really safe. The way they pushed limits, really nice, but for me 38g is to light. 60-65 is my sweet spot.

Great review as usual!

Two questions, one of you go forward with building a full custom mouse would you have any plans to find/design hall effect switches for that mouse, two is there a discord server for your channel?

I had the finalmouse air58, i loved it but it wore in somewhat reasonable time. Ever since then I've had a GPX. It's a great mouse but lately with mice becoming lighter and battery life becoming longer, polling rates getting higher I've been thinking about upgrading. I think in a bit I'll look further into the ULX. Especially if they can get their stock and shipping business sorted. (Finalmouse shipping is the worst thing to happen to mankind)

this guy has to be by far the best gaming tech youtuber at the moment, not only good reviews, but also high level gameplay to go along with it

When you mentioned the 8k polling rate a question popped into my head, would there be any discernible difference between a 2k sensor and a 8k sensor running at 2k? Just curious.

Were there any problems with the scroll wheel like with the Starlight 12?

Hopefully they can keep up with demand, I detest the whole drops and scarcity business model, I get that it generates maximum hype but its so annoying constantly seeing a "sold out, come back soon" page every time you try to get one.

@1:39 "This thing is absolutely Rock Solid." That makes the video uploader a Liar ! Avoid Finalmouse like the plague and not bother watching Untruth videos.

Fantastic video, thanks. Mind giving advice on which size od the UltralightX (s/m/l) is close to the Razer Viper V2 Pro? Seems to be either M or L, but Im not sure how much they differ from each other by looking just at the spec sheet

The configuration being in browser is so nice. not being able to configure mice on linux is a huge pain

I'm glad they are finally stepping up production. They've been making industry leading mice for awhile now, just no one could buy them (and if they could also knock off the twitter cringe posting that'd be cool too)

Off the top of my head, this is the only Yt channel I immediately settle down to watch every time a new video is released

Any thoughts on the small version? Thinking about getting one when the pre order comes out. Mainly claw grip here.

Great testing Ali

"rock solid" lmao

Isn’t final mouse a terrible company? I’ve seen so many complaints online about how they treat their customers. Have there been changes? I don’t want to support bad companies.

Screws under the mouse feet ? So everytime you have to clean or open it for whatever reason you need new mouse feet ? Can you switch parts ? If not, it's not a good mouse.

Great testing, although IMO you should test stock settings and optimized settings for all

3 minutes in I still don't know the size of the unit he received

A mouse with this many cutouts will never be on my radar as the cleaning seems nightmareish, but that browser based software seems like a game changer, I'd hope more app devs go this route as having 5 different apps running in the background and hogging close to a gig of ram just so I could change RGB or a macro is just straight up vile.

Hi, I would like to asked is the 7:22 plot is collect from XLAT ?

Was the EC1-CW set to normal click response for the test? There is an option to set it to fast response.