Orchestral Music Mixing Tips #7 - Early Reflections and Depth

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Joël Dollié

Joël Dollié

5 жыл бұрын

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5 жыл бұрын
Hey everyone ! I hope you enjoyed this tip. If you want to learn more, Please check the description :)
@tomrichardson2448
@tomrichardson2448 2 ай бұрын
Honestly, your videos have saved my (well, not life, but sanity for sure). Thank you so much. My mix just elevated a million times thanks to following just a few of your pieces of advice. Thanks so much!
@MikeBurnsArrangedAccidents
@MikeBurnsArrangedAccidents 4 жыл бұрын
Liked and subbed. Yours is the only explanation I found that makes perfect sense. You succeed to articulate where English as an only language instructors fail! My thanks!
@kurttomlinsoncompositions1067
@kurttomlinsoncompositions1067 5 жыл бұрын
Very high-valued tutorials, thank you very much!
5 жыл бұрын
That one was a bit tricky to make. Just to clear any misunderstandings, all I'm trying to do in this video is show how crucial the ER are for the perception of depth. If your instruments still sound too close in your mix, even though you hear a ton of reverb when you solo them, that's because the tail gets masked and you don't have enough of the ER overall, which would give a lot of depth even within a busy mix. If something sounds too upfront and right in your ear, but adding reverb doesn't really work because it blurs things with the tail, yet you want the instrument to sound more far away with that roomy feel, reduce the tail, add more wet, or add an extra room reverb before the hall (in series! Yes that works).
@BluemountScore
@BluemountScore 5 жыл бұрын
Yes it was a bit tricky, but thanks for the clarification!
@dissdad8744
@dissdad8744 4 жыл бұрын
So, can I do this: FX channel with one room reverb (mostly with the Early Reflections on and Late Reflections turned down + Hall Reverb with a medium long tail)? Both reverbs fully wet and then send my instrument signals to that FX channel?
@Ebi3k
@Ebi3k 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Joel, thanks for this informative video and for sharing your knowledge!
@richarddunn367
@richarddunn367 5 жыл бұрын
Such an important issue! thanks for sharing!
@WhitesandComposer
@WhitesandComposer 5 жыл бұрын
great tutorials man, quick and to the point! appreciate it
@jaimetravezan649
@jaimetravezan649 3 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial. Many thanks!
@cristiancretaro88
@cristiancretaro88 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Joël 🎼😊
@viacheslavsipakov1623
@viacheslavsipakov1623 3 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial!
@chrispantos3559
@chrispantos3559 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you man!!!
@RosesAreBlue
@RosesAreBlue 5 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial and info! Cheers friend :)
@IIBluEPHoeNiX
@IIBluEPHoeNiX 5 жыл бұрын
Comme d'hab, merci, super instructif et in depth ;)
@josephpurdue7583
@josephpurdue7583 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Joel. Great tip once again! I've been playing around with this idea recently too. Unfortunately I don't have the Eventide Stereo Room yet, but I use a Small Scoring Stage which is quite good. I'm curious, what instruments do you mostly use this technique for? I've found myself using it on ethnic flutes, shakers, and a live choir which wasn't recorded in an ideal room. How about you? Do you use it one full sections like strings or brass?
5 жыл бұрын
Synths, a lot. Shakers, solo strings which sound too mono, that kind of stuff. Rarely on well recorded libraries. I just usually put one on the brass bus though because it makes brass sound and wider than the strings.
@josephpurdue7583
@josephpurdue7583 5 жыл бұрын
Got ya. Never thought of putting it of putting it on brass though, I may give that a try! Thanks for explaining the early harmonics - even though, I do use this trick, I didn't have the understanding of what exactly was happening with the reflections. Very well explained!
@zenith_journey
@zenith_journey 5 жыл бұрын
This is funny because I was just realising this the other day. I kept hearing songs that had such a nice space but didn’t have messy/long tails... and I wondered how. It seems so obvious now haha. Great point at the end about a busy mix. When it’s busy u will want to push the wet to create space but all u are doing is creating mess. Thanks!
5 жыл бұрын
There you go!
@harmonyib5677
@harmonyib5677 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great tutorial. Do you recommend early reflections for pads and soundscapes (since some already have reverb)? Or it's better to use sends with longer tails.
5 жыл бұрын
Yw :) Check it it improves the space. You won't want them to sound smaller too. If they have no space to begin with it can help to put ER before a longer verb, in series.
@harmonyib5677
@harmonyib5677 5 жыл бұрын
@ ok thanks a lot for the reply, will start applying this technique, it's a very advanced approach to using reverb. Thanks
@NeverBackMusic
@NeverBackMusic 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@LaszloMetal
@LaszloMetal 5 жыл бұрын
Hey, cool vid as always. I have some questions: - What does this patcher thing exactly? You cannot load the the Eventide Rev natively? - To sum your method, you are not using always a two level reverb, first an ER based, full wet one, and then another, sidechained, ER+LR? - If I make a room with delay, it is just haas, so it might lead to low freq phasing issues right?
5 жыл бұрын
Hey, patcher is just a way to route plugins in various ways. What you see is that it does. I only have a gain plugin afterwards to compensate for the slightly loudness change it does. My method is just putting that ER verb on the channel as an insert and then sending it to a hall, so they're in series. About haas, yes very much so, you need to be careful and check in mono every time. It's like a "double haas" kind of since there's two echoes but still. If it was a bit longer it would be called a stereo slap
@jaimevillalvazo7868
@jaimevillalvazo7868 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Joel! Thanks so much for this tutorial. I have a quick question if you get a minute: How do you go about setting your decay times to the tempo of the track? Is there a general guideline we can use as a starting point before fine tuning by ear? Any insight you have would be very much appreciated. Thank you!
5 жыл бұрын
Hey ! Glad you liked it :) In general I start around 2 seconds and fine tune from there. It's really by ear in the end, because every plugin will sound more or less wet, even at the same decay time.
@jaimevillalvazo7868
@jaimevillalvazo7868 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome. I’ll give that a try. Thanks so much!
@BluemountScore
@BluemountScore 5 жыл бұрын
I was always wondering if the different mic settings (Close, Tree, Far and so on) in each libraries settings actually do the same as an artificial reverb effect, in terms of simulating Depth and a room. You know, some libraries sound very dry, but still far away when you work with different mic settings...
5 жыл бұрын
You're right, decca tree = further away = more of the ER = much better way to add more depth to a signal that's unnaturally close than just blindly pushing a hall reverb. Room reverb before hall = Decca tree simulator. Well not exactly but close. The point is, you're getting rid of some of the super sharpest high end, and direct "close characteristics" of the instruments, and adding these delays. Simply reverbing a super close mic a lot with a hall doesn't work as well and you will end up with a crazy tail without the depth you want, and that's why. In some situations, simulating a room is needed to get a more realistic sound before actually putting it in the hall. We don't naturally have our ears against the instruments when going to a concert hall.
@BluemountScore
@BluemountScore 5 жыл бұрын
@ Seems legit! So you would agree that using e.g. a tree mic *and* hall reverb afterwards is not a bad thing at all, in many cases even better than putting everything to close settings in the library and only make up with it using artificial hall reverb. Great to know!
5 жыл бұрын
​@@BluemountScore As usual it depends. Your decca could be in a really small room and not really give a good enough width and sense of space with the hall reverb alone. In that case feel free to experiment with another room in between. There is no wrong. The concept of a multi mic setup itself isn't technically "realistic", as if we had as many ears as there are mics.. it doesn't make sense but generally gives the best sonic representation of recorded instruments. So yeah, whatever sounds best :)
@stevenm.schwartz9420
@stevenm.schwartz9420 5 жыл бұрын
When you’re talking about Er’s does that mean to use multiple reverbs, one algorithmic for the Er’s and another convolution for the tail? Let’s say I use Valhalla room for the early reflections, and altiverb for the tail, would that make sense?
5 жыл бұрын
Hey :) Yes that would work, That's the idea, ER's add another layer of depth. It's just delays.
@stevenm.schwartz9420
@stevenm.schwartz9420 5 жыл бұрын
Cool! Thanks for the reply! So I’d put both verbs on the same bus as well? With pre or post fader?
@RosesAreBlue
@RosesAreBlue 5 жыл бұрын
ps, what programme do you use?
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks :) That's FL Studio
@gregparadi
@gregparadi 5 жыл бұрын
Probably it would have been better demonstrating this with a dry, mono instrument sample with longer notes ... like a solo violin for example... but thanks for the tips anyway !
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