Yuki finishing 11th on this ranking too is IRONIC

I think it speaks volumes that Tsunoda is 11th in the rankings and you guys are both pretty chill about it when last year most people would have had him 18th-20th. He has improved massively and set higher expectations this year

Verstappen’s average and the gap to 2nd is ridiculously good. Not a fan but his accomplishments this year are undeniable. Matt says we’ll likely never see a season like this again, I’m just worried that we will see it again next season 😂

For next year, could you guys perhaps also rate the teams performances every race? I feel many drivers got really bad grades they didn't deserve just because they were driving for terrible teams.

The dominance of Max is shown by the fact that so many great drivers never said anything close to "We're going to win this weekend" and were not willing to go all out to race him for fear of that costing themselves a better finish with no real chance of staying ahead. The most feared radio message, "Max is behind you".

Yuki not having a bad year is an understatement. He did pretty good in that AlphaTauri.

I'd say Tsunoda was reborn after Lawson and Ricciardo came into the game.

BRILLIANT rookie season from Oscar. Super mature both on and off the track. Nothing but great things ahead. Lovely time to be a Papaya fan!

He was a full two points higher than second place in the averages. 9.7 to 7.7 That's wild when you think that second and 15th were separated by two points 7.7 to 5.7

people saying yuki is overrated fail to recognise that he had three different teammates this year and managed all three well imo, knowing he had to outperform all of them - he’s had his bad luck, bad strategy and occasional mistake like mexico, but he’s improved greatly this season and stepped up big time. y’all just bitter he didn’t get stepped over like you thought he would be

Grateful for your content this year. Even as a Max fan, it was getting a little difficult there. Hoping Lando and Carlos/Charles get a better shot at it next year

Next year could you include a graphic of how many points the driver finished with and their finish in each race during the season and how you scored them each race? Its just nice to have the information upfront vs trying to recall the season swapping in between tabs.

how is russell ahead of sainz... matt hates carlos at this point

Thank you for being my podcast of the year! My Spotify wrapped informed of this fact and I can’t be more proud and joyous at it. You guys are amazing! Keep doing what you are doing! And just know you have a fan for life! ❤

I'd suggest making 2 ratings. Team and Driver. The consistency RB has shown this year I would say is the best team consistency/ car ever.

You guys forgot to rate Paul De Vries...

Having you guys has really helped all the late nights!

Matt putting carlos under russel is such unfair bruh

we knew nico was goated this season,its just that haas could not help but boil their tyres

Liam was amazing and i do wonder what he could do in that Williams, does Danny deserve the seat over him? It's moot I suppose he has it Danny so happy to see him back, I'll be interested to see how he gets on next year I do feel Nyck De Vries was little hard done by but ultimately he was the master of his own misfortune. Kmag I was blown away at quite how poor he was, I mean he's better than me obvs but relative to his team mate. Logie bear, I just don't know how i feel about him. I wanted all the rookies to do well but simultaneously he has cost Williams FOUR TIMES his salary in damage!! Zhou had some moments but he was pretty anonymous Bottas again some flashes, quite literally with his calendar, but again sad not to see him doing better. He's clearly donesies Oh man Lance... some weekends he looks someone killed his dog and then every now and again he has little flashes of speed but honestly if his Father didn't own the team he'd have been poopcanned so hard Huuuuuuulkenberrrrg - Some amazing qualifications but with his teammate doing so badly it's hard to tell how good he actually is Sergio.... oh man... c'mon dude. He's clearly seen his arse about the relationship with Max but he's allowed it to get into his own head Esteban: most retriements all season, lots of dumb errors. But also quick when he wants to be! YUKIIIIII master of outperforming the car! I absolutely loved watching him find his feet and run, be great to see the car treat him better of course Pierre is almost certainly annoyed with every single person in the Alpine garage George Russell was just a bit pants, I mean in the sense he's easily one of the 10 best drivers in the world but whilst he outqualified LH he didn't look as good in the races until the end of the season Oscar, I was a bit sore being a Danny fan when he yeeted my boy but honestly it was the right call, he didn't look like a rookie did he? CARLOS SAIIIINZ man I love it when he does well but he's another man who looks annoyed at his team, he did pretty well all told and the Singapore victory was great Alex, we all love a comeback and what a comeback he's had, drove the pants off that car Landooooo man he's the greatest driver to never win isn't he? So fast, so good! But so unlucky and so prone to occasionally let himself down :( Lewis, what a pity no victory again this year, I really hope something changes for him. He was the greatest of his generation and whilst the new greatest has arrived I still have the softest of spots for him. Terrible qualifying (relatively) and amazing race pace Charles whoops forgot to put him in first time my bad, amazing driver, great one lap speed. Shame he drives for Ferrari I'd love to see him win a World Championship. Watch if he does Matt would spend 12 months delirious with joy! Alonso! You can it turns out teach an old dog new tricks, he drove out the skin as he always does and watching him ribbing Lewis so he got a good race was hilarious Max... HOLY CRAP what a season, just WOW. Thank you for listening to my opinion in my official role as just some guy. And thank you again P1 for a great season you guys were amazing and I look forward to yet more content!

The thing with Nyck is that he was not a Red Bull driver and not a young talent either, with his experience they expected him to perform from the first race, wich he didn't.

Albono Fan here. I know this is a longshot, but I do dream that James Vowles will just magically be the light for Williams, and that the team will be back to championship form.. And hopefully, Alex would stay in Williams to be the man.

Tommy is right, there has always been a dominate team or driver (even for more than one season), disrespecting Max is disrespecting all the great drivers of the past, build a bridge and get over it! To me the outstanding drivers this season have been Oscar (National Bias), he has shined in his rookie year. Norris, he is the way forward for McLaren but now with Oscar there, both have great potential. Alex, getting that Williams into points was through his skills behind the wheel. And finally Carlos, looking back over that win and how he strategically used Norris to fend off the Mercedes Bros, that is the mind of a tactician (HE should be on the wall instead of the Ferrari Engineers).

As a Merc and Lewis fan, I can view it from a season / F1 as a whole standpoint and tip your hat to what Max has been able to accomplished this year. I hope Lewis and Fernando are given the cars to compete next year cause that would be amazing to see.

Yet another 11th for Yuki, that's just mean

You know you should do a small video regarding the prediction you made before the start of the season and how the predictions have turned out.

Great year guys love the channel keep it up can't wait till next year

Massive congratulations to you both on a 10/10 launch year. Hope you get to take a moment and celebrate your own successes.

Shoutout to Matt and Tommy for the great year, I've loved watching y'all's career arch since you left the other place. Big fan, I haev so much respect for you both for forging your own path on your own terms. I hope there are many more years of great content! Cheers guys!

maybe next season do a blind season rating and then compare it with the average that you got to also see the recency bias as well possible trend upward/downward

if we do a team rating ferrari and haas 1-2 for excellent strategy and upgrades over the season respectively

35 mins of Matt and Tommy and I'm at work 😢 I'll catch you later..😊

Thank you for being a beacon of content, laughs, and information throughout the whole season. Looking forward to 2024 and HOPEFULLY get some real racing for the championship!

Poor Checo. I hope he gets his act together next year.

I feel that no enough has been said about the reliability of the red bull. 22 races with two cars, no mechanical DNF'S.

I honestly think that Perez just got himself down due to a mental breakdown from so much pressure. Even on the end of the season he started getting better again. Hopefully next season he gets to the same level as before

Don’t forget Max lead for 1000 laps this season. Something most people don’t do throughout their entire careers.

RE: Alex Albon - Watch his recent interview on the High Performance podcast. He gets into talking about his headspace when he got the Red Bull drive and admits he wasn't ready. He goes into what he learned and how he feels different now mentally.

This was my first full season as an F1 fan and I enjoyed it so so so much. Max's dominance, heroics from rookies, the uncertainty of Vegas turning out to be the race of the year, Fernando defying age...I could go on and on. I'm really looking forward to catching up on some F1 history over the off-season. If anyone would like to suggest any documentaries etc I should watch, I'd be happy to hear them!

The title of the video shoud have been "Driver Ranking, from worst to Max" ... It works on all levels :p

I really hope Haas and Sauber can put up some competitive cars next year so that we can see how good or bad those four drivers (HUL, BOT, ZHO, MAG) actually are. Right now it just feels like they are all capped by their cars rather than their skills.

I think that next year you guys should make season predictions like you do for races, then at the end of the year review your season predictions with double points, triple for crazy predictions. Might spice up that game a little as Matt may end up on top at the end of the last race, but may swing with the season review.

suggestion: i would find it fun if you had someone else tallying everything up, and you guys just write down on the spot what you think the order will be, and then at some point in the video you discuss that -- not sure on the details/how that should look, this is just a rough thought on my mind, because like you guys it felt like some of the results were surprising to see. love seeing you guys doing your thing here on P1

Love this series, with the predictions also. ❤️

What a phenomenal point from Tommy. “If you’re a Hamilton fan or a Schumacher fan or whatever, you’re discrediting your favorite drivers cause they haven’t been able to do what Max has done in a dominant car”

I still remember the time when Nyck de Vries was so terrible that Matt had to introduce the 0 in the rankings to quantify his disappointment in de Vries 🤣

You both should do a reactionary video to you beginning of the season predictions!!

Matt's rating are awful. George over Sainz. He was even surprised that they gave no 10s for Hamilton.. Even though he had on average the 3rd or 4th best car pushing for 2nd. Yet Lando got 6 10's in what was comfortably the 2nd best car since Austria. Lewis is right, he can't win. If he does well its.. "Well he's a 7 time champ so he should have won the race" and if he doesn't he gets criticism. Tommy's ratings are a bit better.

I Love the passion you both show, which is like us F1 fans. I love P1 here on KZfaq and on Twitch. WTF must be kicking themselves. As the saying goes, (If it ain't broke) Their loss is our gain. I'm so looking forward to next season with you two. The top 20 rankings are spot on and Max has had an unbelievable season and you can't help but admire what he's achieved, and that's coming from a Lewis fan. Just keep what you're doing because it's a winning format.

Well Verstapen this year was alien amongst aliens :) Also kudos to Hamilton for winning "the best of the rest" (i.e. minus RB) crown, shows that consistency is so important in the long run, scoring in every but two GPs (and one of those was the DSQ in USA).

Thanks for all the entertainment you two have given this year, it's been great fun watching Matt crumble in front of our eyes when Charlie Clark fails to deliver!

One thing I've learnt is that the cars characteristics & drivers subconscious style makes a huge difference. Perez & max were close when the car suited max & then upgrades made perez look like an f3 driver

Guys, could you also rate the races next year? That way you can do one of these with a race review!

In my opinion, I think Charles should finished a bit higher because part of his downfall/problem was poor race strategy by Ferrari (and a couple of DNFs) . I think, overall, he was better than Lewis.

Yuki didn't just hold his own against danny ric, he very much BEAT him lol. I love danny and im happy these 2 are teammates now but when are ppl gonna put some respect on yuki's name. He beat 3 different teammates and if any other driver did this they'd be getting praised, you can't just call Liam, Daniel, and Nyck unlucky, Yuki just straight up beat them lol

Awesome year. Thanks to you both for taking the time to do the ratings every week so we can have a full year recap without recency bias. We also did learn that next season we need to have a -0.5 deduction of Matt’s rating for George Russell to account for bias 😂

Well said all of it Matt and Tommy. Can't wait for this to all kick off again in '24

Can you also do the Team ratings next season? It would be good to know how teams average over the entire season.

The points speak pretty much for themselves i feel

I wanna see your guys grid rivals scores 👀

I think it would be interesting if you did a comparison between the average scores for the drivers and ratings tlyou would give now in retrospect of the whole season. As you did mention, there are drivers like Russell who ended up higher for Matt than what you would rank him now.

Same thing next year. This is a great way to go through individual driver’s years unbiased race to race 👌

Wow , did you see the size and width of Piastri's neck on that picture at 17.56 min ? It's huge ! Never expected this .

How do you rate so poorly someone that was fighting for 2nd place until 2 races before the end against the most dominant car ever with what was the 4th or 3th car at best in a Mercedes. Hamilton was second only to Max in consistency, and by far the best at getting good results against the odds.

Not having listened the full podcast yet, but surprised that it is a 20th to 1st ranking, while there were 22 drivers competing in grand prixs this year, why isnt it 22nd to 1st?

I think a cool idea for next year is instead of using averages you should use a points system similar to f1 itself. Every race week you rate the drivers exactly how you do now but the top 10 get the same amount of points as they would for the race for the positions in the ratings they come. This way it’s like a mini championship and id like to think it’d break up the similarities towards the back end of the grid for the end of the year. If it doesn’t work out you could still use averages but it’d be cool to see a p1 ratings championship throughout the year

Yuki in P11 fit's like Steve in P6

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Thank you both for speaking on those speaking down and not appreciating what Max has achieved. It’s nothing short of legendary and should be appreciated for what we just witnessed from him this season. All those records Tommy just read are incredible!!

Even as Max fan, I did not know all the broken records from Max of this season. Thnx Tommy!

Next season you guys really need to do these grades by yourself. So many of these results were the same between you two because all season you'd hear the other one's grade and be like "makes sense to me, that's my grade too".

How the fuck did Stroll pass that exam of the season and i cant pass mine maths one man??? 💀

THE most dominant season of a formula 1 driver in HISTORY. And he drives for an energy drink company.

Does seem like there is a bias that Hamilton isn’t getting everything and more out of the car vs other drivers

Sad I won't get race reviews for months now. 😢 I do have a thought for next year though. You guys definitely need a guest host for the race driver ratings to add another perspective. Just for those specific episodes though. Add a little spice to the mix maybe shake up the scores a bit. You're both getting far too agreeable with each other as you age!

A moment of silence for our brother Nick

An interesting podcast discussion would be reviewing the potential impact that Piastri's move from Alpine to McLaren will have on future F2 Champions that are reserve drivers and not getting full time seats. Thinking Felipe and Theo as 2 drivers that are champions and don't have seats.

I really sorry for Checo, is a great driver, but no matter how bad the car suits him, he should delivered better. Hope for a better 2024 for Checo. He can do it

Should have done a predictions for what the year’s ratings would produce🙃

Ah a driver ratings video! I'm anxious to see who is nr 1 on the list...

I can't help but think that Nyck would have done better than Logan in the Williams.

To me it feels like since the new regulations in 2022 and onwards, there hasn’t really been a standout backmarker it has just been the top 3 or 4 teams and the rest just midfield which is cool. I think people are slandering the new regs for worse racing which could be true when you mention the problem with porpoising but the first few laps at Abu Dhabi this year was so refreshing to see pretty much every car within a second.

Next year team ratings!

We can of course appreciate what Max has achieved this year, but we can also be bummed that we haven't really had a proper championship fight in the last couple of years. That's what us fans tune in for and we want that sporting rivalry that we all saw in 2021, it's not fun when you tune in knowing how the race will end. Hopefully next year several teams can challenge Red Bull, but I'm mentally preparing myself for Max to walk it again tbh.

I was wondering, maybe next you guys should give the grading to teams as well. It would be cool to see how they perform during the season and see if actually Ferrari is really that bad (probably yes)

My P1 goes to Matty for his hilarious and highly anticipated reactions to Charles Leclerc's drive to survive in 2023 and Tommy's ever present giggles in the background. Never watched it live but it is the fist thing I watch on KZfaq after the race. Kudos boys for keeping this old bird entertained in the F1 season.

Taking year averages is definitely the way to go

You both forgot to make the "P. 2: Mak..." joke!

You really forgot how many failures Ocon had thsi year due to the huge lack of reliability ? Ocon would have largely outscored Gasly without them

The interesting thing for me is that race-to-race, some of the ratings are shocking. But over a full season, the averages are really not that disagreeable.

Fair play, guys! Well done!

To use American sport analogies: verstappen at this point is Tim Duncan, Pete Sampras, first dynasty Tom Brady. Total dominance without a ton of flair that does not get appreciated in the moment.

Go through your predictions as well

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that there was not a single race where team orders were given to Perez to give up the race lead this season. Last season, yes. But this season, I don't recall any.

"Bottas being at the twilight of his career..." Hurts me so much, I didn't think it would touch me as much...

werent there 22 drivers in the ‘23 season?

The off-season will be shorter than the period in which I'll have one or both legs in a cast. And that depresses me, while also makes me cheerful 😂

Are you guys taking a break for a bit now? You deserve the rest! ❤

My rankings and marks: • Red Bull Verstappen 10 Pérez 5 • Mercedes L. Hamilton 9 G. Russell 7,25 • Ferrari C. Leclerc 8 C. Sainz 7,5 • McLaren Mercedes L. Norris 8,5 O. Piastri 8 • Aston Martin F. Alonso 9 L. Stroll 4,5 • Alpine Renault E. Ocon 6,75 P. Gasly 7 • Alphaturi honda Yuki Tsunoda 7,5 D. Ricciardo 6 • Williams A. Albon 8 L. Sargeant 3 • Alfa Romeo V. Bottas 6 G. Zhou 5,5 • Haas N. Hulkenberg 6,5 K. Magnussen 4,5

Bottas and Hulkenberg has had the same problems the entire season, IMO

Matty..having Sainz and Piastri below Russel is a crime. Also Leclerc should be above Norris